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| PassionateGent/Vintage Bike Guy....
Posted: 10/12/2008 12:02:29 PM | | He's saying that the right war is the one you don't conduct in a half-assed way. That's a war. Iraq is an occupation more than a war. The difference is that it's one thing to knock out your opponent and defeat them and it's another thing to try to run the place afterwards. | |
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| What is the right war?
Posted: 10/12/2008 12:38:56 PM |
It may be wrong by principle but very necessary for the greater good of a society.
War is necessary when the outcome benefits the greater good of the people who are involved.
Anyone who thinks we can live without war when others are seeking your annihilation are delusional.
I read as far as this post and I can not think of more suitable statement in response for the original post. | |
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| Native American........
Posted: 10/12/2008 1:19:34 PM | | I am of Native American descendency and live on a reservation..............so therein could begin a whole other issue about illegal immigration? So then by who's standard is illegal immigration...illegal and when did it really start?...........there's a sticker I have that says....."Immigration doesn't work.....just ask Native Americans".............it's more for gimmick purposes............and God's will is done one way or another and I have no resentment unless someone pushes the issues. I did serve in our Military also as well as in the National Guard and I am by definition also a Christian.......well anyway, just my 2 cents : ) I love America! | |
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| What is the right war?
Posted: 10/12/2008 1:34:27 PM | The right "war" is fought with words to gain hearts and minds; opposed to the wrong war that is fought with bullets to gain land and profits.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PNTBLOp_gg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ff2h6s88yDg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLQ2Gybav3Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euY28WMdS6Q | |
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| What is the right war?
Posted: 10/12/2008 2:58:07 PM | WAr is the most natural event in nature...I can't just see it, you lot throwing the dummies out the pram and frothing at the mouth...
Look at nature, and not through rosy spectacles, LOOK at nature...The birds singing in the trees?...Their not happily chirping about the weather, their shoutin at each other to get off their tree!.."coz if ye don't, me and my family will go hungry"...
Chimps wage war...Don't beleive?..what do soldiers do in war, they patrol, they hunt out the enemy..Exactly wot troupes of chimps do...
btw...the Mid East troubles began long before 1947...Long before the Ottomans arrived aswell...In fact it's ALWAYS been a trouble spot....
Like the so called "native americans" they over ran the indigeonous peoples (and if you want to debate that, let's open another thread) through war....
Jeez get real...
War is horrible, it's meant to be, all this talk about humanitarian war etc...bullshite....
War?..Read Sun Ztu and Clawswitz.... | |
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| What is the right war?
Posted: 10/12/2008 5:15:44 PM |
WAr is the most natural event in nature
no it is not-
mankind is one of the very few species that wage war on their own kind
War is horrible, it's meant to be, all this talk about humanitarian war etc...bullshite....
because that's all that mankind understands doesn't mean it is acceptable
war used to be a contact sport so to say, then with the advent of weaponry, it is no longer, we can kill from space and just recently has mankind obtained the ability to destroy his own planet...
war has escalated to something vastly different than say 100 years ago, in a hundred years from now, chances are that most countries will have some way either through the atomic bomb or chemical warfare to destroy life as we know it...
if mankind doesn't see the errors of his ways, there will be some event that will force him to see it-
we can not continue on the road that we are on now, we will either evolve to that conclusion or end up dead, defending our right to wage war | |
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| PassionateGent/Vintage Bike Guy....
Posted: 10/12/2008 10:46:25 PM | It seems to me that there are two basic perspectives being expressed here:
1) War is an inevitable aspect of human society, and appropriate to engage in to combat evil.
2) War is in itself evil, and should be avoided at all costs.
I'm sure that's over simplistic, but if one were to attempt to split those who have posted so far into two factions, most tilt strongly toward one or the other of the above perspectives.
I lean toward the latter. I consider myself non-violent and always seek collaborative rather than confrontational resolutions to problems.
But that doesn't always work.
Pacifist that I am, if a loved one were physically threatened I wouldn't hesitate to engage in violence if I thought that was the only way to protect my loved one. It seems to me that's the motivation for many acts of war as well. A country or other entity feels threatened and reacts violently. It could be Hitler feeling threatened by Jews, democracies feeling threatened by communist or socialist regimes, or Bush feeling threatened by Iraq's perceived potential.
One can argue that many perceived threats are groundless, but if someone has the means to wage war and concludes for themselves that they are threatened, war is often waged.
I'd like to think that part of our continued evolution will include moving beyond using violence to resolve conflicts. We've made great advances the past couple of centuries striving for gender and racial equality. Although there are many, many exceptions, we've come far in terms of treating our fellow humans with respect and dignity. I would hope that we would continue to advance in that regard.
We squandered a golden opportunity in our reaction to 9/11 to take another giant step forward. We had the sympathy and support of almost the entire world. We could have responded in a way that would have portrayed Bin Laden and his followers as a tiny band of despicable extremists, leaving them with few supporters and nowhere to hide as we led a global effort to capture those directly responsible and bring them to justice.
Instead we responded to violence with far more violence, invaded two countries, endorsed torture and suspended due process, making many touched by our reaction who may have once been ambivalent firm supporters of Al Qaida and their ilk.
In my opinion, violence should ALWAYS be viewed as a last resort after all other viable options have been explored. Our focus should be on increasing our arsenal of non-violent strategies rather than building up our military might.
We certainly won't stop violence overnight. We may never rid ourselves of it completely, but if we embraced a vision of continually working to build a peaceful world through peaceful strategies, we could I'm sure make great strides in the right direction.
Optimist that I am, I do believe that ultimately we'll do exactly that. Impatient as I am, I just wish we'd get on with it and quit being part of the problem rather than leading the way toward a better future.
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| PassionateGent/Vintage Bike Guy....
Posted: 10/13/2008 1:06:03 AM | Message 565...
I am sure you admire Jane Goodall's work on chmips, like the rest of the world?...On website:
http://ocw.mit.edu/NR/rdonlyres/Brain-and-Cognitive-Sciences/9-20Fall-2005/26D47536-EF5F-4F88-B66B-2213856F3106/0/class28_video.pdf
Where, low and behold, you'll find the following passage:
"Chimps wage war:
The chimpanzee group at Gombe split into two groups, the smaller one moving to the southern part of the reserve.
Later, groups of males from the larger group waged “war” on the smaller group.
This kind of violence destroyed the view of chimpanzees as peaceful and “noble
savages”. It made them seem even closer to humans. "
Oh, there more:
http://pnews.org/ArT/ZuLu/ViL.shtml
Where again, one reads:
"We understand ourselves a lot better after studying chimpanzees. Chimpanzees wage war for all of the same reasons humans wage war; for the booty, territory, resources - and rape and murder is not alien to chimpanzees or humans. There is in humans an inherent instinct and natural behavior for war. Denying our inner nature may be our greatest self-deception. "
I'll repeat one crucial part, just for you, "Denying our inner nature may be our greatest self-deception. "
And it's not just Chimps, Ants aswell:
Lets take a look shall we?
http://hubpages.com/hub/Intelligent_Ants
Where you'll find:
"Like humans, ants wage war to capture territory and food resources from other ant colonies"
And there's more, take a LOOK...
"Sometimes ant wars lead to the total defeat of an opponent and the survivors are captured and held as slaves."
Let's take a look at the definition of war, Von Clausewits:
"War is an interaction in which two or more militaries have a “struggle of wills”.
War used to be a contact sport..Pfftttt...Where did ye get that from? some hippy commune pamphlete...good greif!
From wickepeedeedee:
War is also a cultural entity, and its practice is not linked to any single type of political organisation or society. Rather, as discussed by John Keegan in his “History Of Warfare”, war is a universal phenomenon whose form and scope is defined by the society that wages it. The conduct of war extends along a continuum, from the almost universaltribal warfare that began well before recorded human history, to wars betweencity states, nations, or empires"
OMG goes on to say:
"War is not limited to the human species; the ant and the chimpanzee, and perhaps other animals, engage in massive intra-species conflicts which might be termed warfare."
Well there ye go....It's quite natural, unless nature is not natural...Mmmmm....
And btw...Don't interpret my posts as condoning war....But:
"Denying our inner nature may be our greatest self-deception. "..
Or "lying to oneself"...
There's a lot of people who are "looking at the world through rosy spectacles... | |
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| PassionateGent/Vintage Bike Guy....
Posted: 10/13/2008 6:25:11 AM |
War used to be a contact sport..Pfftttt...Where did ye get that from? some hippy commune pamphlete...good greif!
obviously you did not understand "contact" sport- as in, sword, gun that did not fire far- as in the civil war, for example, where armies actually crashed into their oponent's armies- as in contact, as in hand to hand combat
War is not limited to the human species; the ant and the chimpanzee, and perhaps other animals, engage in massive intra-species conflicts which might be termed warfare."
okay, this does not change the fact that mankind is one of a few species that fights his own kind, I did not write that only man waged war-
your idea that I am getting my information from "hippy commune pamphlets, or "looking at the world through rosy spectacles", is the same crap all war mongers throw back at those that find war to be an absurd choice in the human condition, it's meant to make us look silly, sorry, but, with our ability to destroy the only home we have, I see your rationalizing war as too dangerous to ignore-
Denying our inner nature may be our greatest self-deception
man has evolved many hurdles by denying our inner nature, we are by nature, greedy, selfish and ignorant, but through knowlege, we try to lift ourselves beyond our baser emotions and "nature" by controlling those acts that will harm ourselves and others- some do it by their inner strength, some need religion- so your point that mankind has an inner nature to wage war and kill others is something that we should be trying to control, not giving in to and casually explaining away by just saying, well it's our inner nature to go to war so we do- that sir is bullsh1t | |
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| PassionateGent/Vintage Bike Guy....
Posted: 10/13/2008 12:59:56 PM |
Denying our inner nature may be our greatest self-deception
A modern Day "Heart of Darkness"
Go read that novella. Now (if you haven't already).
the paradox of Kurz.
'To be human, is to be savage. So what is worse? Parading around in a society in a faux-pas charade to hide your nature, or to embrace and become a beastly savage?' | |
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| On another note......some light hearted humor...
Posted: 10/13/2008 1:13:33 PM | You're walking down a deserted street with your wife and two small children. Suddenly, an Terrorist with a huge knife comes around the corner, locks eyes with you, screams obscenities, praises Allah, raises the knife, and charges at you.
You are carrying a Kimber 1911 cal. 45 ACP, and you are an expert shot.
You have mere seconds before he reaches you and your family. What do you do?
THINK CAREFULLY AND THEN SCROLL DOWN:
Democrat's Answer :
Well, that's not enough information to answer the question!
Does the man look poor or oppressed?
Have I ever done anything to him that would inspire him to attack?
Could we run away?
What does my wife think?
What about the kids?
Could
I possibly swing the gun like a club and knock the knife out of his hand?
What does the law say about this situation?
Does the pistol have appropriate safety built into it?
Why am I carrying a loaded gun anyway, and what kind of message does this send to society and to my children?
Is it possible he'd be happy with just killing me?
Does he definitely want to kill me, or would he be content just to wound me?
If I were to grab his knees and hold on, could my family get away while he was stabbing me?
Should I call 9-1-1?
Why is this street so deserted?
We need to raise taxes, have paint and weed day and make this happier, healthier street that would discourage such behavior.
Or maybe we should try and reason with him and if that don't work we'll send him to therapy on the tax payers dime.
This is all so confusing! I need to debate this with some friends for few days and try to come to a consensus.
Republican's Answer:
BANG! | |
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| What is the right war?
Posted: 10/13/2008 2:54:40 PM |
Being a vet all i would like to add to the conversation about the current conflicts are remember that good news doesnt sell. CNN isnt around to protect the 1st admendment they want to sell news. Wich headline do you think sells more news? New schools built in Iraq ...OR ,bomb goes off near school in Iraq. | |
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| PassionateGent/Vintage Bike Guy....
Posted: 10/13/2008 3:01:32 PM | Edisto
So, you seem to be saying two things:
War is a sport...
There's another reason apart from our natural primordial urge for conflict (much like your parting shot - "that sir is bullsh1t")...
Can I ask you?
When you mention civil war, which one are you talking about?
How come my reasoning as to why we go to war, bullshite?
What is the ultimate, basic reason why us humans wage war?
What part did I mention we should be giving into our basic primate, natural war and violent tendencies?
What is not funny about hippies?
Why doesn't the world leaders not play at soldiers on the table, or in the field wi blank firing guns and not with real lives like I do (indeed, why don't they go and kill each other in the field and not send "us")?
And lastly, I flatly refuse to grow my beard back again (get's too itchy and scrathy) but will you marry me ?(your georgous... alas have no choice about growing my hair back again...)
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| On another note......some light hearted humor...
Posted: 10/13/2008 3:06:50 PM | To leavinglasvegas referencing message 61. While I don't necessarly agree 100% with that post I think it was hilarious. Is it yours originally and may I use it (somewhere other then POF)?
What would Ron Paul do in that situation on the deserted street? | |
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| On another note......some light hearted humor...
Posted: 10/13/2008 3:19:35 PM | Leavinglasvegas: Here's another good one in the same vein...they're letters to Vladimir Putin after the invasion of Georgia, from Dubya, Obama, and McCain, respectively. It nails their personalities to a T.
From President George W. Bush:
Dear Vlad:
Beijing is weird. First of all, you can't breathe the air. Second, how 'bout those drummers? Sure, they're perfect, but that's the point. A billion Chinese see 2,000 drummers in sync and say, "Well done, my little emperor son." I see 2,000 drummers all moving with one motion and I'm thinking: "Whoa." Can anybody say MIL-I-TAR-Y PRE-CI-SION?
Hey, which reminds me. What's up with Georgia? This is not good, Vlad. You and I have had our moments. And, OK, fine, your dog's bigger than mine. A lot bigger. Stronger and faster, too. We got it. But you can't just go invading democratically elected countries that are U.S. allies. You can't have everything, Vlad. If you don't stop, I'm going to have to do something and you know I don't want that. What I want is for you to not make me look like a fool.
Look, Vlad. Seven years ago, it was you and me in Crawford. We had a blast. You loved my truck! We bonded. I went out on a very big limb and told the whole dadgum world that we were soul mates. "I looked the man in the eye," I said. "I found him to be very straightforward and trustworthy," I said. Oh, yeah, and, "We had a very good dialogue. I was able to get a sense of his soul."
Trustworthy, Vlad. Got soul? Why not just hire the Goodyear Blimp and paint "Mission Accomplished" on the side? Here's the deal, Vlad. I love ya, man. But you gotta stop this. If you don't call a cease-fire and leave those Georgians alone, I'm going to have to whomp you upside the head. Just kiddin.' But you know how this looks. Your invasion of a sovereign neighboring state is unacceptable in the 21st century -- blahblahblah -- and you're hurting Russia's standing in the world, not to mention our relationship.
Oh, and by the way. We're talking 4 million people here. Four million, Vlad. You wanna let the big dog eat? Fine. Pick on somebody your own size. And yes, your pecs are bigger than mine. Whatever. Hey, gotta split. It's Kobe time. Take care and give my love to that cute little gymnast of yours.
Ciao amigo,
Bushy
P.S. Did you catch the American women's beach volleyball team?
From Sen. Barack Obama:
Dear (Former) President Putin:
I'm sorry to be writing this e-mail instead of meeting you in person, preferably in the Oval Office, where I belong. Soon, soon.
Nevertheless, and notwithstanding the foregoing, I felt it imperative that I express my deep concern about Russia's invasion of the tiny, democratically elected sovereign nation of Georgia. It would appear that you are not familiar with my platform for change and hope. War does not fit into this template and I am quite frankly at a loss for words to express my deep, deep distress.
As the chosen leader of a new generation of Americans who speak a global language of peace, hope, harmony and change, this is simply unacceptable. Quite frankly, your actions pose potentially severe, long-term consequences. I'm not sure what those might be, but they won't be nice or fun.
Please picture me looking very serious when I say that I respectfully request you to calm down. Life is but a flicker in time and we're but actors strutting and fretting. That is to say, we're all on this planetary journey together and our karma is interrelated and interdependent. Thus, it would seem that our differences are best resolved through words, not bombs.
It is said that war is a failure of diplomacy. I would submit that it is also counterintuitive. If my Kenyan father and my Kansan mother and my multinational upbringing taught me anything, it is that we are all One. That said, I am The One the world has been waiting for -- and you are, quite frankly, blocking my chi.
As soon as possible, I'd like to sit down and begin talking about how we can resolve these and other differences that threaten peace-loving people, which I'm sure includes you. I haven't looked into your eyes and would never presume to know your soul, but I do know that we share a common humanity and that we can all just get along.
Yours in Global Harmony,
Acting President Barack Obama
From Sen. John McCain:
Hey, Putin.
Don't make me come over there.
McCain | |
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| On another note......some light hearted humor...
Posted: 10/13/2008 3:34:14 PM | RonPaul- as an American, a conservative Republican, a Congressman, a family man, and a dentist(not necessarily in that order)......I think would respond as follows.
Being a marksman shot, he would simply shoot the terrorist in his knife-weilding hand. Thereby disarming said terrorist.
Then, Mr. Paul would use that knife to begin "extracting" from the terrorist, as follows;
His fingers- for attacking me
His eyes- for thinking himself worthy of locking eyes with me
His teeth-for screaming obscenities within earshot of my family
His balls-for insulting Allah, Muslim people, and religion in general
His arms- for posing a threat in my town
His knee caps- for charging down a street in my country.
Then Mr. Paul would kindly search the would-be terrorist for any documentation on his origination. And then ship the worthless POS back to his home country with a note that said," Don't F@ck with me, my family, my country, and my religious beliefs or you shall suffer similar consequences...................Praise God, Allah, and everybody else!"
Ron Paul '08
Or...........................would that be what "I" would do, were I in that situation??
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| On another note......some light hearted humor...
Posted: 10/13/2008 4:46:13 PM |
Republican's Answer:
BANG!
I would like to think this is not just an answer the Republican would have but actually any sane,calm,family loving, self preserving ,legally trained person might conclude.
And one "bang" means he manages to get to a range regularly to maintain his edge.Good shooting!
Pacifism is a fine idea for those who are.....as long as they remember[Yeah,right!!]that their ability to have this philisophy is only allowed because of others with a more pragmatic and realistic approach to living in a world that is[like it or not]full of violent people who are intent to have their voices heard in any fashion they can.
I guess I shouldn't say"Grow the fu ck up" but it certainly does make sense at the moment. | |
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| What is the right war?
Posted: 10/13/2008 4:49:34 PM |
if mankind doesn't see the errors of his ways, there will be some event that will force him to see it-
we can not continue on the road that we are on now, we will either evolve to that conclusion or end up dead, defending our right to wage war
And maybe....just maybe this is what is supposed to happen.Imagine the hell we'd have right now if the T-rex was still around trying to munch on all the tasty little dogs the likes of Paris and Lindsay and.......you get the point. | |
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| What is the right war?
Posted: 10/13/2008 8:02:12 PM | answers:
no
American Civil War
geez, already explained
stupidity
"Well there ye go....It's quite natural, unless nature is not natural"
their feet
simply, because they can
no, I want to remain a pacifist~
Imagine the hell we'd have right now if the T-rex was still around trying to munch on all the tasty little dogs the likes of Paris and Lindsay and.......you get the point.
what hell? I would be happy in this one situation to help the T-rex ~ | |
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| What is the right war?
Posted: 10/13/2008 9:31:15 PM | To address the original question....as others stated, there is no right war. But is it right to defend someone else/or another country against another person/agressors? Some think yes and some think not. It is usually those aquainted with war by some direct/indirect fashion that see it as a needful thing at times against those who are seeing reality as most don't, like Hitler, Stalin, Saddam, Popot(sp?), etc? Some believe waving pieces of paper declaring what a dictator is doing is wrong and talking and protesting politely to stop killing their own people or those of another country is all that should be done.
One thing is for certain, killing is not the answer and one day maybe, our children's children will find that answer that eludes us to war no more. | |
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| What is the right war?
Posted: 10/13/2008 10:40:06 PM | LeavingLasVegas you my dear friend deserve this! 
That was simply EXCELLENT!
P-Gent | |
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| What is the right war?
Posted: 10/13/2008 11:15:57 PM | Ihave to agree with the above two posts...
btw, edisto, the smooth bore musket had an effective range of around 100 yards against a large body of men, the rifled musket say 175 yards....Smoothbore cannon around 1000 yards...Rifled cannon around 1900 yards...
The trouble with the American Civil War is they where using Napoleonic tactics in which for example one battalion marching up to another and exchanging musket fire until the other broke, infantry charges where rare, hand to hand also, though did happen...This is ok for smooth bore weapons, but not by the time of the ACW...They found to their cost...The ACW has also been termed the first "modern" war where the whole economies where engaged in war production...I know this is a very simplistic explanation, and no doubt someone will contradict it...
I cannot comment really on modern weapons as I this is not my field of interest, but I can tell you even in WWII despite the massed artillery barrages (as in the Napoleonic Wars) and aircover there was still the need for short range weapons and indeed still is (so I am told) I can tell you of crashing into the enemy as recent as WWII, but beyond, can't comment (apart from snippets of stories which I can't confirm)...
As much as I am interested in the history of warfare and it's development, reasons, contributions to societies (positive as well as destructive) and psychology, I would much prefer that the powers that be would, like me, recognise their basic animal urges and contain their armies to the wargames table, or as I have also done, play at soldiers in the field (though I prefer in my Living History impressions to playing with our M1937 Field Range and cooking for the guys)...
Or if they prefer the need to explore their physical adrenaline rush perhaps a bit of hand to hand combat (just pretend ofcourse) maybe with some steels, charging a line of Normans, or British red coats!...Now that is good fun!
Now, who is looking at the world through rosy spectacles now?
Will we set a date? | |
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| What is the right war?
Posted: 10/14/2008 12:37:32 AM |
You're walking down a deserted street with your wife and two small children.
You are carrying a Kimber 1911 cal. 45 ACP, and you are an expert shot.
... around the corner comes another family, a Democrat with his wife and two small children and their dog.
The Democrat is thinking:
Oh, what a beautiful day. And look, there's another family out enjoying a stroll.
As soon as we're within earshot I'll greet them with a smile and comment how beautiful the fall colors are on that tree covered hillside. Maybe his kids will want to pet our friendly dog Ella.
I remember when we couldn't see that far through all the smog. I'm sure he's glad like I am that we cleaned up the air, and the water in that meandering creek. I remember when it used to smell like a sewer and there was trash everywhere. It's wonderful what we can do when we all pull together and push for laws and enforcement that improve the quality of life for all of us.
Oh, he looks tense. His wife is clutching his hand tightly and the kids just ducked behind their parents when they saw us. I'll bet he's worried about affording health care for his family. Maybe he just lost his job while the CEO of his company cashed in on his golden parachute and moved to the Bahamas. I'll bet he wishes the wealth of that corporation was distributed more fairly and the taxes changed so those who could afford it paid more while the rest of us paid less.
Oh darn, now he's taking his family across the street so he won't pass close by us. What a shame we've created such a culture of fear that neighbors can't trust neighbors anymore. It wasn't that way before 9/11. What a tragedy that was.
In the days after I had hope that we'd harness all the sympathy and goodwill of the rest of the world to condemn that heinous act and coordinate a global manhunt to bring the handful of radical fanatics responsible to justice. We could have stood tall, reminded everyone that we'd never stoop to such a level, embraced the vast majority of Muslims who honor the peaceful traditions of their faith and fostered a global cultural environment where those who preach hatred and distort those traditions beyond all recognition would have nowhere to hide and zero sympathy.
Instead we invaded two countries, killed far more innocents than four planes did, endorsed torture, suspended due process, and acted just like Bin Laden said we were. Today more people around the globe hate us or support those who do than ever before. It's just a matter of time before more acts of terror happen in our own backyard.
No wonder that man took his family across the street. We don't know who to trust any more. We've all got a nervous twitch. I even hear gun sales are booming and some people are carrying loaded weapons with them everywhere, even around small children. What a mess Bush made of things. I sure hope the next President can restore dignity and intelligence to the office and start healing the national and global divide that threatens to bring us all down.
Oops, there goes Ella across the street wanting to meet new friends. They might not appreciate that. Darn it, this new remote controlled electronic collar isn't working. Maybe if I hold the remote higher and run closer....Ella! Ella!
The Republican is thinking:
Those trees look pretty big. If I owned them I'd cut them all down and sell them. There's dollars waiting to be made up there. And I hear there will be water shortages soon. I wonder what it would take to get the rights to all the water in that creek so I could sell it too. It's all here for the taking if a man can get a jump on the next guy.
Who's that coming around the corner? He's got a beard. Might be a terrorist. He's probably just using a fake wife and kids for cover. Better move across the street and keep a close eye on him. Good thing I've got my Kimber .45. He's looked at me twice now. Suspicious behavior. Can't be too careful these days.
But I'm ready. I keep fantasizing about some knife wielding terrorist coming at me screaming 'Allah!' I can pull my weapon, slip the safety, and put five slugs in center mass in three seconds flat. If only I had a chance to prove it in real life....
Wait! Here he comes! | |
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Posted: 10/14/2008 6:28:21 AM |
You're walking down a deserted street with your wife and two small children. Suddenly, an Terrorist with a huge knife comes around the corner, locks eyes with you, screams obscenities, praises Allah, raises the knife, and charges at you.
You are carrying a Kimber 1911 cal. 45 ACP, and you are an expert shot.
Republican's Answer:
BANG!
Independent's Answer:
the republican was walking down the deserted street, using his wife and two small children as bait, hoping that someone would even appear to be threatening, a man approaches, the republican who lives in that cloak of fear they love to spew, thinks OMG this man COULD be a terrorist and he's probably carrying a huge knife, OMG, he's looking at me, did he move his mouth, OMG, he may scream obscenities, OMG, he probably praises Allah, oh, he may raise that knife that he may have, and oh, damn, I should kill him BEFORE he charges me, but no problemo, I just happen to have packed my Kimber 1911 cal. 45 ACP just hoping for a chance to use it, so BANG
and down the man goes, oh sh1t, he wasn't carrying a knife and he's not even religious... | |
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| What is the right war?
Posted: 10/14/2008 6:54:20 AM |
It may be wrong by principle but very necessary for the greater good of a society.
War is necessary when the outcome benefits the greater good of the people who are involved.
Anyone who thinks we can live without war when others are seeking your annihilation are delusional.
Although I am a pacifist, I agree with this. This is the reason why, for example, our involvement in WWII was necessary.
It certainly does not, however, apply to pointless wars such as the one in Iraq. | |
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