| Adam and Eve, or Apes..
Posted: 10/7/2008 2:13:49 PM |
Tell me why the scientific evolution cannot be amalgamated with the biblical creation, assuming that the seven days really equate to several million years, but the days are just to put it into a time chunk.
cos it would make God look like a complete failure or at worse, a bored messer.
So you are suggesting that God tried it with Dinosaurs and he fecked that up? And then he tried it with monkeys and that was kinda half ok and he let that run and run? until we all showed up in our lovely designer gear?
So, how can you equate that with God making us in his own image as the Bible says? | |
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Posted: 10/7/2008 2:14:29 PM |
Where did the wife come from..??? Any help with this (other than he ran off with a female ape.. ) would be much appreciated.. ... Err probably the same place that my next partner will come from... Nevernever land/the ether/somewhere over the rainbow....?
Ruffy
Build a temple and they will come. | |
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Posted: 10/7/2008 2:18:22 PM | | Look, we are less ignorant and more worldly than we were a few hundred years ago. Amalgamate the biblical creation to the scientific one. Dinosaurs dont need to be mentioned. God created creatures and that is good enough. Remember we are not talking about days as such but many millions of years. | |
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Posted: 10/7/2008 2:22:05 PM | "God is really only another artist. He invented the giraffe, the elephant, and the cat. He has no real style. He just goes on trying other things."
Pablo Picasso | |
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Posted: 10/7/2008 2:26:15 PM | evolution is proven i heard someone say.really?could you show me proof of an animal that has actually evolved to the positive.i.e.developed an extra pair of limbs etc to make their survival more likely?you may find negative results such as an animal that was born without limbs,but that is malformation and not evolution.even darwin admitted that his theory had serious flaws.and as far as i'm aware did not find any creditable proof.modern day science has still not found a chain of animals that have evolved.they have theories and lots of them,but no decent amount of creditable proof.if we had evolved from monkeys or apes they would of found thousands and thousands of near human bones to show the transition from ape to man.have we not found it yet?of course not because the missing link is exactly that ,missing and a non existant link.
thats why evolution should not be taught as fact when we can't find anything to back it up.just some old mans theory. | |
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Posted: 10/7/2008 2:35:18 PM | by the way for all those where did the wife come from clowns.adam and eve did not only have two children called cane and able,they had several more.and yes they did procreate together as that was obviously required in the beginning to build up the population.
on another note bearing in mind that a lot of the new testement is based on eye witness accounts,do you not think the roman empire etc would of managed to dis-prove the various books and gospels from that time.even they excepted it in the end and started one of the biggest growths in new believers in our time. | |
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Posted: 10/7/2008 2:45:43 PM | Therefore in the eyes of God, incest is perfectly OK, yet in the eyes of the catholic church, priests have to be celibate???
How do you know the new testament wasn't just written by the Stephen Kings and John Grishams of the day?? | |
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Posted: 10/7/2008 2:47:25 PM | Several, try this...
Adam and Eve were the first parents. The Jewish, Islamic, and Christian religions hold that all people are descendants from them. According to Jewish tradition, Adam and Eve had 56 children. This was possible, in part, because Adam lived to be 960 years old. Some scholars believe that the length of the life spans of the people of this time was due to a vapor canopy in the atmosphere. This may have made the earth's environment more hospitable to human life and increased life spans. These scholars believe this canopy was destroyed during the Flood and contributed to the great amount of water covering the earth.
Now come on, 960 years of age, vapour canopy ???..
I am sticking with the Dinosaurs... | |
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Posted: 10/7/2008 2:47:34 PM | adam and eve did not only have two children called cane and able,they had several more
Where does it say that?
It seems pretty much to me that the believers are quite adept to ad-libbing when it suits them.
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Posted: 10/7/2008 2:50:17 PM | | I don't recall vapour canopies being mentioned in my RE lessons willow hahaha. I do recall having an RE teacher who would swear that black is in fact white, if it said so in the bible!! | |
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Posted: 10/7/2008 2:53:38 PM | Therefore in the eyes of God, incest is perfectly OK, yet in the eyes of the catholic church, priests have to be celibate???
How do you know the new testament wasn't just written by the Stephen Kings and John Grishams of the day??
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yes in the beginning incest was needed to build the population,it was later stopped and forbidden as it was no longer req.it is well known in the church that this was the case.the word did'nt exist at the time.
as for the stephen kings etc.etc.comment.these people where there at the time christian and non-christian.and their writings were well respected as fact by the people of their time who knew them personally,or met them on their travels.people did'nt write story books in that time. | |
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Posted: 10/7/2008 2:53:50 PM |
evolution is proven i heard someone say.really?could you show me proof of an animal that has actually evolved to the positive.i.e.developed an extra pair of limbs etc to make their survival more likely?you may find negative results such as an animal that was born without limbs,but that is malformation and not evolution.even darwin admitted that his theory had serious flaws.and as far as i'm aware did not find any creditable proof.modern day science has still not found a chain of animals that have evolved.they have theories and lots of them,but no decent amount of creditable proof.if we had evolved from monkeys or apes they would of found thousands and thousands of near human bones to show the transition from ape to man.have we not found it yet?of course not because the missing link is exactly that ,missing and a non existant link.
thats why evolution should not be taught as fact when we can't find anything to back it up.just some old mans theory.
You, my friend, are actually the proof that evolution is a pile of crap. You've convinced me that a specie cannot evolve but rather, stay happily in the soup for years and years.
I would like to sign up to your newsletter as you are my newest hero. | |
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Posted: 10/7/2008 2:57:29 PM | It is the laziest argument on the planet to spout nonsense and demand others disprove it.
The entire human race was created by space squirrels for a laugh. And because you can't disprove it it must be true. Dinosaurs were a practical joke by stanley the space squirrel. No-one got it. He's still living it down.
Hell it's more plausible than the big sky bloke and the 4000 years of inbreeding. | |
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Posted: 10/7/2008 3:02:32 PM | Where does it say that?
It seems pretty much to me that the believers are quite adept to ad-libbing when it suits them.
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there are many more scrolls etc from the time that where not put in the bible as a lot of the information repeated it self and was deemed un-necessary to be included.there is plenty of information available around the net which will tell you what was written in these other gospels etc.the history channel actually has them available and broadcasts them regularly.
we do not ad-lib the bible and add are own bits.we leave that to some of the modern day churches as such that pander to modern day society and change the laws to suit themselves. | |
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Posted: 10/7/2008 4:21:02 PM | | I don't care, we're here and that's that. If we ever find out it would be cool but I've stopped contemplating this, although sometimes I see something beautiful in nature and wonder if it could all really have been an accident - but the moment soon passes. | |
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Posted: 10/8/2008 11:07:38 AM | | Evolution everytime. Whenever I have "debates" with my christian friends and there are things that dont make sense to me that are written in the bible, i.e. incest, the "evolution" of the different skin colours, why did Eve eating the apple make some people lives hell? the only answer they can give is " it was gods will", what a cop out !!!!! I believe the bible was written by some very clever story tellers. Jesus may have existed and been a very clever magician. If religion was invented today it would be outlawed. | |
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Posted: 10/8/2008 12:26:11 PM | Could it be that Adam and Eve were apes?
Mind you that still doesn't explain where Cain found his wife does it?
It's all a load of ........................ whatever | |
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Posted: 10/8/2008 12:35:53 PM | OK - can someone answer which religious writings are the true ones? Is it the christian bible, the koran, one of the many other books that different religious sects base their beliefs on, all of which have different stories, different gods/deities, different rules?? Each religion claims theirs to be the truth and the light and that their god is the true god. Religion is man made, hence there are so many different ones across the world!
Evolution can be scientifically proven based upon physical artefacts etc
If god was so marvellous and actually existed, surely he'd have created more than 2 human beings 'in the beginning' thus negating the 'need' for incest, and therefore higher rates of genetic and physical abnormalities?? | |
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Posted: 10/8/2008 12:48:24 PM | Message 9 - it is my belief. I believe in God and always have done. I don't need proof as such. My theory in my above post amalgamates with the evolution of the galaxy, cosmos, etc in my opinion.
You and, it seems, lots of others are non-believers, and there are just as many who are believers. I would never try to say non-believers are wrong, just as I hope that non-believers are likely to say my beliefs are wrong. I just gave my theory and whether people agree or disagree is neither here nor there to me.
I am not an evangalist trying to change peoples' opinions,
The OP wanted an opinion and I gave mine.,
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Why so defensive ??
So ...no evidence brought forward hmmm .. ..
Just your best "guess"
Your more than welcome to it but why try n dress it up as anything more ?? | |
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Posted: 10/8/2008 12:49:38 PM | Evolution can be shown as all prganism having one common prokaryote ( excuse the jargon) living cell organism. From that eukaryote calls ( what we and the living world are made of) evolved.
What we as humans struggle with is the time scale in which things evolve, we are talking millions of years. If you measured the time of evolution in terms of a house, the time we have been here, even from our earliest homo sapien ancestors, wouldn't even come up to the 2nd brick. In terms of organisms, we are very new creations. We still haven't properly adapted to bipedailism, and our bodies still haven't evolved to incorperate our new lifestyles, and we suffer health problems as a consequence of that.
Evolution is subtle, and timeless, and is far more complex that just 'growing a 2nd pair of arms'. | |
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Posted: 10/8/2008 2:21:36 PM | Evolution can be proven to be true and is in fact observably still happening.
Anything else is just a fairytale | |
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Posted: 10/8/2008 2:30:24 PM | Personally I don't give evolution much credibility.
Variation is real I can agree with that, but things never become anything new, that is just as much a fantasy as anything that they accuse the religions of being guilty of.
When did you last see a man with a birds wing growing from his back..? Never thats when.
There is variation within species, but there are strict limits to variation that are never crossed. | |
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Posted: 10/8/2008 2:50:58 PM | A man developing birds wings is nothing to do with evolution - that would be more of a scientific cross breeding, which as far as I know is not yet possible.
Evolution occurs when a species adapts over time to it's surroundings and needs, this brings physical and developmental changes. Variation exists - hence different skin colours and physical features etc. | |
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Posted: 10/8/2008 3:04:41 PM |
Variation exists - hence different skin colours and physical features etc.
All the possibilities for variation already exist within the species, which is why you never get extremes like a man with a birds wing, the strict limits to variation are never crossed.
Which is where evolution as a theory falls down hard. | |
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Posted: 10/8/2008 3:20:37 PM |
All the possibilities for variation already exist within the species, which is why you never get extremes like a man with a birds wing, the strict limits to variation are never crossed.
Which is where evolution as a theory falls down hard.
Erm...no. The extremes you mention don't exist in humans because there is no need for them. Species evolve when their survival depends upon it. Human survival is not dependant on 'wings'. | |
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