| ACORN busted in Nevada
Posted: 10/9/2008 5:36:46 AM |
Will be even better if they actually PROVE the ACORN staff promoted the practices. Hate to burst your bubble, but Acorn staff are the ones who committed the fraud... Just because it wasn't a high level executive doesn't mean it wasn't "staff". If it were a limited number of incidents, I could see where a reasonable claim could be made that it wasn't company endorsed. Since it seems to be happening in every state they work, I'd have to say it's a clear indication that it is not only widely known within upper levels of management, but to some extent, encouraged.
Doesn't matter that all those registration cards have to go to an election commission to verify registration that would prevent duplicate registrations. Which are the people who are finding the fraud, 1 gentleman registering 72 times, a girl with 10 different addresses and social security numbers, the Dallas Cowboys, scores of deceased, people with names such as "Jive Turkey" and scores of others.
There are thousands of Acorn employees submitting millions of registrations and only a handful of board of elections employees in each district to process them. This election will most likely not be decided at the ballot box, but rather in the Supreme Court when all of the fraud is discovered.
Whiners will always find something to whine about except they can no longer be politically correct exclaiming BLACK people should gain political power. Why would the Democrats protest the voter fraud ion this election, it's all occurring to their benefit! Oh wait, you meant Republicans are the whiners, they've had 8 years of teaching from Congressional Democrats and the mainstream media, so should the Republican electorate decide to whine they should be almost as good at it as certain others who shall remain unnamed.
 | |
|
| ACORN busted in Nevada
Posted: 10/9/2008 6:49:36 AM | | I for one am delighted that the FBI is investigating ACORN. If they did nothing wrong, they should have nothing to hide. The last thing we need to worry about come Thanksgiving is still not knowing who the heck is president because of screams of voter fraud....em..excuse me, is that a hangin' chad I see??? | |
|
| ACORN busted in Nevada
Posted: 10/9/2008 9:18:14 AM | Who they are and some of the issues they are involved in.........
ACORN is the nation’s largest grassroots community organization of low- and moderate-income people with over 400,000 member families organized into more than 1,200 neighborhood chapters in 110 cities across the country. Since 1970, ACORN has been building community organizations that are committed to social and economic justice, and won victories on thousands of issues of concern to our members, through direct action, negotiation, legislative advocacy and voter participation. ACORN helps those who have historically been locked out become powerful players in our democratic system.
Each ACORN office carries out multiple issue campaigns. ACORN members across the country work to raise the minimum wage or enact living wage policies; eliminate predatory financial practices by mortgage lenders, payday lenders, and tax preparation companies; win the development of affordable housing and community benefits agreements; improve the quality of and funding for urban public schools; rebuild New Orleans; and pass a federal and state ACORN Working Families Agenda, including paid sick leave for all full time workers.
http://www.acorn.org/index.php?id=12342
I find it sad that people will look at the activities of ACORN who is in troble in many states for these actions and others just as bad or worse and make excuses for them. Yet when a reblican does soemthing like this you all yell about stealing the election. So if a community activist group, that is also known for how was it put housing advocacy/foreclosure prevention, does it it is ok. Just not repubs.
Face it folks both parties are trying to steal this election.
The voter registration drive is simply one of the causes that ACORN is involved in and I am yet to see anything posted suggesting that ACORN or the Democrats are trying to steal the elections.
On the other hand, according to this article thousands of eligible voters are being illegally removed from the rolls. Hmm...wonder why?
Tens of thousands of eligible voters in at least six swing states have been removed from the rolls or have been blocked from registering in ways that appear to violate federal law, according to a review of state records and Social Security data by The New York Times.
Still, because Democrats have been more aggressive at registering new voters this year, according to state election officials, any heightened screening of new applications may affect their party’s supporters disproportionately. The screening or trimming of voter registration lists in the six states — Colorado, Indiana, Ohio, Michigan, Nevada and North Carolina — could also result in problems at the polls on Election Day: people who have been removed from the rolls are likely to show up only to be challenged by political party officials or election workers, resulting in confusion, long lines and heated tempers.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/09/us/politics/09voting.html?th&emc=th
Obama/Biden 2008!! | |
|
| ACORN busted in Nevada
Posted: 10/9/2008 4:39:29 PM | ACORN is an utter joke and they should be exploited for the joke that they really are. LOL, putting the names of the entire 2008 Dallas Cowboys roster down. 
I was reading that some of these Dallas Cowboy players are already looking into possible lawsuits charges against ACORN for voter fruad. Good. | |
|
| ACORN busted in Nevada
Posted: 10/10/2008 3:52:03 AM | This released from Acorn:
"ACORN staff reviews every single application submitted by our canvassers. Special, dedicated staff makes up to three phone calls attempting to reach the voter listed on EVERY SINGLE CARD before they are turned in to verify the information." I would love to have heard the phone call to "Morris D. Katt", it had to have sounded like a Meow Mix commercial!
In all fairness, the "up to three phone calls" means no more than three, and zero falls within the realm of "up to three phone calls". | |
|
| ACORN busted in Nevada
Posted: 10/10/2008 4:32:52 AM | Great arguments against ACORN if your a racist.
About 12 states are under investigation for ACORN shananagans. This isnt something to be swept under the rug. You guys are trivializing this situation and it really should be taken more seriously. Its like roaches. For every one you see, there are ten you dont see. In the end, there will be many more roaches discovered in this circle of bad behavior.
Whiners will always find something to whine about except they can no longer be politically correct exclaiming BLACK people should gain political power.
oh poppycock....anytime we have an opinion other than your side, we are whiners and you pull out the race card and call us racists. This is a figment of your imagination. I see no proof of what you 'whine' about.
Get a new line, will ya?
I was reading that some of these Dallas Cowboy players are already looking into possible lawsuits charges against ACORN for voter fruad. Good.
Our Cowboys may be hooligans, but they're not idiots. I hope they sue the pants off these ACORN nuts. | |
|
| ACORN busted in Nevada
Posted: 10/10/2008 4:46:06 AM | After doing a search for articles on this ACORN investigation, all I could find was right wing propaganda on it.
It's like watching the McCain camp and republicans going through the final convulsions of the death of their power.
They are loosing big time in the electoral count and they cannot register any new voters so the only thing left is to try taking whatever votes they can away from democrats.
McCain's rallies are just short of becoming riots and if it wasn't a political rally they would have to call in the National Guard to keep the peace.
I think this issue is republicans being convinced this should be a solid issue they can nail to the wall but it's Jello. | |
|
| ACORN busted in Nevada
Posted: 10/10/2008 5:40:23 AM | After doing a search for articles on this ACORN investigation, all I could find was right wing propaganda on it.
propaganda? Thats laughable.
Propaganda: is the deliberate, systematic attempt to shape perceptions, manipulate cognitions, and direct behavior to achieve a response that furthers the desired intent of the propagandist.
This is a problem, not propaganda. We're only seeing a very small part of overall voter fraud.
They are loosing big time in the electoral count and they cannot register any new voters so the only thing left is to try taking whatever votes they can away from democrats.
That made me laugh too. And with groups like ACORN is it a wonder we are a little behind right now?
They are loosing big time in the electoral count
Stop it, youre killing me here. Thats funny. By the way, its a close election not a landslide.
This is a real problem. Open your eyes and stop trivializing this situation. This isnt a tea party we are directing here. | |
|
| ACORN busted in Nevada
Posted: 10/10/2008 6:01:56 AM | | It's really pretty simple. All voter registrations that were processed by ACORN should be set aside for the time being. Until they can be verified, they shouldn't even count. I heard on the news that this is exactly what they are doing with them here in San Antonio, TX. When there is already proven corruption in an agency like this, toss it to the side until it can be checked out. And if there isn't any time to check it out? My bad. So sad. Voter fraud sucks. | |
|
dmotz
|
Joined: 7/25/2006
Msg: 35 | |
| ACORN busted in Nevada
Posted: 10/10/2008 9:42:05 AM | Oh...I am a racist for wanting a fair election? I have stated that if Obama wins in a fair election he deserves it. I for one am tired of all the liberal bullshit about the race card. I never said anything of the sort except that I think alot of people in the end will not vote for him because of his color...I THINK THIS IS WRONG. Color should not matter.
Now ..ACORN is being investigated in other states like I said...Missouri is investigating and so are several others.
Obama gave $800,000 to Acorn..would you dare to bet that he had an idea what they were all about when he made his donation? Lets have a fair election and then stand behind the choice of the American people...no matter who wins. | |
|
| ACORN busted in Nevada
Posted: 10/10/2008 9:55:26 AM |
Oh...I am a racist for wanting a fair election? I have stated that if Obama wins in a fair election he deserves it. I for one am tired of all the liberal bullshit about the race card. I never said anything of the sort except that I think alot of people in the end will not vote for him because of his color...I THINK THIS IS WRONG. Color should not matter.
Now ..ACORN is being investigated in other states like I said...Missouri is investigating and so are several others.
Obama gave $800,000 to Acorn..would you dare to bet that he had an idea what they were all about when he made his donation? Lets have a fair election and then stand behind the choice of the American people...no matter who wins.
Uh...it isn't just the 'liberal race card', dude. We're hearing from both sides of the fence in regard to race.
Sounds like ACORN should be investigated--I fully support that.
Obama isn't stupid--if he got money for ACORN, and if there is a problem with that, then by all means investigate. Perhaps we should wait for a final verdict before we tar and feather him, though? | |
|
| ACORN busted in Nevada
Posted: 10/10/2008 11:04:50 AM |
Obama gave $800,000 to Acorn..would you dare to bet that he had an idea what they were all about when he made his donation? Lets have a fair election and then stand behind the choice of the American people...no matter who wins.
I bet he wanted low and middle income people to have a voice in their government.
Actually Obama's campaign had it's own voter registration drive that's been quite successful.
Being willing to condemn ACORN for being investigated and suppressing votes is just desperation because McCain and Palin are losing. | |
|
dmotz
|
Joined: 7/25/2006
Msg: 38 | |
| ACORN busted in Nevada
Posted: 10/10/2008 11:34:32 AM | MacKevin...at least you did not call me a racist this time. Grow up in the last day or two did ya?
Being willing to go after ACORN is about voter fraud and those who support it. If the Republicans are doing the same thing then it needs to be brought to light.
If McCain loses in a fair election I personally have no complaints.... | |
|
| ACORN busted in Nevada
Posted: 10/10/2008 12:03:04 PM | I bet he wanted low and middle income people to have a voice in their government. nothin wrong with that... and about right here, is where the melt down starts.. Fanny Mae giving away money loans to people who could not afford it.
Actually Obama's campaign had it's own voter registration drive that's been quite successful. oh yeah, we've heard about this one. Some of those folks were not even real people with real names or real addresses.
We/I dont say we are condeming them for being investigated. Your twisting words there son. All this is about voter fraud and those who support it. Lets be fair about this. Fraud is fraud no matter what color your state is. | |
|
| ACORN busted in Nevada
Posted: 10/10/2008 12:50:39 PM | So it seems that some really believe that the investigation on ACORN is nothing but a right wing conspiricy or racism. Of course when you consider that the FBI dosen't raid
anyone without concrete evidence and a search warrant,issued on factual information,
you might want to reconsider those thoughts. I have never seen the race card played as much as I have this year. Because of this people are afraid of being accused of being a racist if they say they are voting republican. But one should ask the question, "If I vote against Obama because he is black, if I then change my vote and vote for him because he is black, am I still to be accused of being a racist?" All I am saying is that if those are the reasons, then yes, it would be racist either way. I vote for McCain because I believe in his experience, his opinions on the issues and his love of America.
Not for any other reason. | |
|
| ACORN busted in Nevada
Posted: 10/10/2008 12:59:25 PM |
I vote for McCain because I believe in his experience, his opinions on the issues and his love of America.
Not for any other reason.
To answer the question of whether or not it's racist to vote because of color; yes. Doesn't matter which way you vote, it is racist to vote solely on the issue of color.
I will vote for Obama because I believe in his example of putting country first, because of his actions in regard to the issues our nation is facing, and because of his works on behalf of the lowliest of our citizens, so that they, too, can be counted among the fortunate who call themselves Americans.
Not for any other reason. | |
|
| ACORN busted in Nevada
Posted: 10/10/2008 1:11:19 PM | Note how people say they love a candidates views on the issues yet they don't name any.
I'm curious as to how McCain has put America first with his deceptive and dirty campaigns.
I'm curious as to why we should trust him when he was so close to Charles Keating and was indicted with 4 others for fraud.
I'm curious as to why we think his 8 homes and 13 cars and bedazzled wife represent middle america.
I'm curious as to why we think a 5000 credit for Healthcare is going to do anything but get abused why adding yet another tax.
I'm curious as to why we think McCain is some military savant. After 26 years wouldn't his reputation precede him?
I'm curious as to why we have a VP candidate that didn't campaign, wasn't vetted properly and is kept from the media.
I'm curious as to why we have McCain pushing deregulation which is an antithetical to the interests of citizens.
I'm curious as to why we have McCain talking about freezing spending yet wants these wars to go on in perpetuity
I don't think McCain/Palin would be voters are racist per se I think the common denominator is intellectually feeble with a
good portion adding racist to the stew.
O | |
|
| ACORN busted in Nevada
Posted: 10/10/2008 1:13:59 PM | Back on topic:
Acorn seems to be an organization dedicated to registering voters in areas and groups where there is traditionally low voter registration - I'm hoping I can get away with that assertion without raising anyone's hackles.
The way they have gone about it is to set up offices and pay people based on the number of voter registrations they bring in. Right away this looks naive. Lets face it, many people you can hire to go into inner cities and knock on doors are going to be a little shady.
Their model clearly sucks.
I'm still not convinced this is fraud though - except by those who found it easier to skip the actual meeting people part and just filled in the paper work themselves. Unless someone can show where fraudulent voters have shown up to vote, and that Acorn staff knew about it, I'm going to go with stupid, not crooked.
Never attribute to cleverness what can be more easily explained with stupidity. | |
|
| ACORN busted in Nevada
Posted: 10/10/2008 2:21:19 PM | To qualify my response to the below, let me begin by saying neither candidate represents my ideology and I have previously pledged to vote for Obama, my responses to this are merely to highlight that intellectual dishonesty is not a partisan issue nor limited to one campaign, it is shared equally by both...
Note how people say they love a candidates views on the issues yet they don't name any.
I'm curious as to how McCain has put America first with his deceptive and dirty campaigns. If you want a politician’s view on issues, check their voting records. Obama votes Liberal almost exclusively and McCain votes Conservative-Moderate-Liberal depending on the issue and how it affect his constituency.
America first … pretty much in the same way Obama puts it first every time an issue comes up that questions his judgment or patriotism his campaign plays the race card. They've been doing it since the early days of the Democratic primary and have actually become quite good at it. By saying up front "I do not believe this is an issue of racism" he gets everyone to put the microscope on the questioner instead of the question, and gets to say he never claimed anyone was racist while having the ability to dodge the question without offering even the most minute response to the question.
I'm curious as to why we should trust him when he was so close to Charles Keating and was indicted with 4 others for fraud. Because he was acquitted of any wrong doing, seems you feel we should trust Obama's association with Ayers because he claims he didn't know anything about Ayers... One was cleared in a legal process, the other one claims ignorance, and the plea of ignorance holds more weight with you than exoneration?
I'm curious as to why we think his 8 homes and 13 cars and bedazzled wife represent middle america. I'm curious as to how Columbia and Princeton graduates, who both got their JD's from Harvard, had a reported income in 2007 of $4.2 million, and have 2 homes could be considered as representative of middle America.
I'm curious as to why we think a 5000 credit for Healthcare is going to do anything but get abused why adding yet another tax. Abused by whom? The taxpayer? How do you "abuse" your own money?
I'm curious as to why we think McCain is some military savant. After 26 years wouldn't his reputation precede him? Military Savant? Hardly, but his actions while a POW in Vietnam are an indication he put his obligation to his men before his own comfort ... I don't know how you could define that as anything other than strength of character and dedication to commitment.
I'm curious as to why we have a VP candidate that didn't campaign, wasn't vetted properly and is kept from the media. She is campaigning, she was right here in Jacksonville on Tuesday and has been campaigning since she got the nod, what she hasn't done is make herself available for interviews with the mainstream media, given how poorly she did with CBS, I don't blame her for not doing more... As for the vetting, apparently she was vetted sufficiently for McCain, and he’s the one who picked her. Personally I think Obama did a horrible job in “vetting” Biden…
I'm curious as to why we have McCain pushing deregulation which is an antithetical to the interests of citizens. Actually McCain didn't push for deregulation of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, he pushed FOR regulation of both as a matter of fact and it was blocked by Barney Frank (who by the way had a 10 year “life partner” relationship with Herb Moses, the top exec for Fannie Mae) .
I'm curious as to why we have McCain talking about freezing spending yet wants these wars to go on in perpetuity Freezing spending is EXACTLY what we need to do, followed by a significant cut in spending! I don't see any place where he said the war in Iraq would go on in perpetuity, or even that it would last 100 years as the DNC commonly misquotes. What he actually said is that we would have a presence there for a hundred years. Considering we've had a presence in Germany for over 60 years and Korea for 50, I don't see where that is far outside the norm... For the record, Obama said he would leave the troops in Iraq as well; there really is no significant difference in their plans of handling the war…
I don't think McCain/Palin would be voters are racist per se I think the common denominator is intellectually feeble with a good portion adding racist to the stew. I actually think there will be more race motivated votes in favor of Obama than in opposition to him. So race IS in fact a significant factor, just not in the traditional sense of oppressive racism.
I always get a chuckle when someone buys into their party line, hook line and sinker, and then claims the opposition is somehow intellectually inferior because they do the exact same thing in support of their party. | |
|
| ACORN busted in Nevada
Posted: 10/10/2008 2:30:21 PM | Because he (McCain) was acquitted of any wrong doing, seems you feel we should trust Obama's association with Ayers because he claims he didn't know anything about Ayers... One was cleared in a legal process, the other one claims ignorance, and the plea of ignorance holds more weight with you than exoneration?
McCain himself will tell you that he acted stupidly with regard to Keating.
Obama was EIGHT years old when Ayers was involved with the Weathermen.
McCain was not convicted of anything.
Neither was Ayers.
Suppose you go to a party--after the fact, you learn that someone there had been involved in something illegal years before. Are you guilty by association?
Suppose you are appointed to sit on a board--after the fact, you learn that another apointee had been involved with something illegal years before. Should that be brought up during a future job interview for you?
Do you have any idea how many people there are in your life who just haven't been caught?
Give it up. | |
|
| ACORN busted in Nevada
Posted: 10/10/2008 2:50:34 PM | The outcome of trying to blame ACORN for the actions of a few of their workers and other negativity brought on by republicans with this false 'concern' is that Obama's popularity grows.
It gives americans a better view of situation they find themselves in with their retirement savings disappearing and republicans deceitful methods used in distracting voters from important issues.
By law, organizations are supposed to turn in ALL voter registration cards even if they know they are incorrect. As it turns out, ACORN has notified the election boards of the false information and it's complaints from republicans that have caused the FBI to investigate.
So make a big fuss about it and complain about the less than 2% of invalid registration cards that ACORN has already reported themselves, it just brings more attention to how desperate republicans are becoming.
And check out:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/maps/obama_vs_mccain/
Obama is listed as having 277 electoral votes to McCain's 158. | |
|
| ACORN busted in Nevada
Posted: 10/10/2008 3:08:29 PM | To citizens it matters little if a politician votes alongst party lines. What matters is the end result. It's hard to say what policy was pushed by Democrats and Republicans to the detriment of citizens without much study. I think deregulation and reducing competition is an anathema to the interests of the citizenry regardless of party.
Obama's "damned if he does damned if he doesn't" with the Race Card accusations. Either way ..race will rear it's ignorant head.
So McCain was acquitted of all charges but that doesn't mean he didn't elect poor judgment in dealing with Charles Keating. He's fond of claiming Obama shows poor judgement but he's got a closet full of dubious decisions. Exoneration does nothing to quash my feelings. OJ Simpson was "exonerated" how many people truly felt like he was guilty? Millions. The Ayers connection is so weak it's laughable. Ayers donated $200 to the Obama campaign. I can tell you I've got 10 friends that would beat that donation by a factor of 10 if I was in a similar position. There's just no evidence showing any significant interaction with Ayers and if Ayers was a Terrorist why was he never charged?
Obama has published two books that have been on "best seller" lists. Yet Michelle doesn't walk around with 300k suits. Most politicians at this level are well off and frankly they should be for the protection of citizens but the Obama's seem a bit more conservative than the McCains from my standpoint.
The issue with Health Care is multifaceted. It's expensive and despite the expensive costs there's little choice. McCain's Healthcare gives us a bit more choice (only in that we can go across borders) but the 5000 credit is just a bonanza for the current hegemony to go after. Neither candidate really has a significant packages to put forth quite honestly.
The problem with your Palin comments are twofold. I think that many Americans feel like a presumptive VP candidate chosen so late in the process should be willing to let the country get to know them. You may think Biden wasn't vetted but he's got 30 years of experience in Washington versus Palin's zero. The Biden vs Palin debates showed there's a wider chasm of intellect, talen and experience at this VP level than the Presidential level. McCain's got foreign policy experience superior to Obama but little else. Palin drags the candidate down. She's given two interviews and came off poorly in both.
I figure people probably assume that I'm voting for Obama because he's "black" but truthfully Obama had to earn the support of black America over Clinton. The Clinton's hold a special admiration within the black communities that's evident to many. I don't think that fans of the opposing party are intellectually inferior because they are voting for who I disapprove of but rather they have inferior reasoning or argumentation to support their candidates.
O | |
|
| ACORN busted in Nevada
Posted: 10/10/2008 3:34:26 PM |
By law, organizations are supposed to turn in ALL voter registration cards even if they know they are incorrect. As it turns out, ACORN has notified the election boards of the false information and it's complaints from republicans that have caused the FBI to investigate.
Glad to see someone pointed this out. Where ACORN would be in trouble is if they actually chose to NOT turn in these voter registrations.
This is such a non-story. They hired low income individuals for voter registration drives, and some of these people faked doing their work. This is not "voter fraud". Nobody has "voted"; the election hasn't happened yet and these faked people were never going to vote. | |
|
| ACORN busted in Nevada
Posted: 10/10/2008 4:45:11 PM |
They hired low income individuals for voter registration drives, and some of these people faked doing their work. This is not "voter fraud". Nobody has "voted"; the election hasn't happened yet and these faked people were never going to vote.
That is what some of the posters are not getting!
Obama/Biden 2008! | |
|
| ACORN busted in Nevada
Posted: 10/10/2008 8:48:18 PM | Honesty is important to me. When a candidate lies about his true associations, with people who have helped him to gain the pedestal of power, that Obama enjoys today,
it is something to consider. Especially in the context of the top job in the world today.
You don't have to be an intellectual to research the information, recently released about Obamas ties with the unrepentant Ayers. Obama wasn't eight years old when in 2001, Ayers stomped on the American Flag in an alleyway to show his unrelenting hate of America. Ayers was doing an interview for a NY Times Reporter and stomped the flag to show off his opinion. Obama was serving on the CAC Board with Ayers at that time. Obama wasn't eight years old when he sat in church and listened to the rantings of Rev Wright. Obama wasn't eight years old when the same church honored Louis Farrackhan. obama wasn't eight years old when he accepted donations and a sweetheart deal from convicted fraud Tony Rezco. I can compile a very long list of Obama associates including a Palistinian terrorist that has donated to Obama. But I won't. When curiosity is a factor, one might wonder why a free pass is given to the Democrat candidate for President and his constant : That wasn't the (fill in the blank)
that I knew. Obama may be clean and is not guilty of anything his associates has done.
But for me his judgement of people is in serious doubt. When it comes to foriegn policy, I hope he won't be so naive. What has this to do with ACORN? CAC funded ACORN under Obama. Obama, Pelosi and Reid tried to insert a grant to ACORN to the tune of 20 million dollars in the first bailout bill that was voted down. ACORN is under investigation for voter fraud in more than a few states. Everything posted above has been all over the internet. All you have to do is look it up. | |
|
Home
login 
