| ACORN busted in Nevada
Posted: 10/12/2008 10:00:33 AM |
If that article was written today, it would have been worded quite differently. So I think that article does not show any spin that would be relevant towards today's issue of was he or wasn't he.
So I don't think you can read into it today based on what are today's current issues.
Is this your attempt at a John McCain impersonation? YOU posted the quote to which I responded.
NOW, you say that it isn't relevant??
Okay, you ol' maverick, you--which is it? | |
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| ACORN busted in Nevada
Posted: 10/12/2008 10:38:25 AM |
Was or was not the question asked where the idea that Obama was an organizer had come from?
I think I recall that it was asked.
I posted the article.
I had to post it twice to get past the blinders. But there it is.
If you don't want to know then don't ask.
I didn't post just part of it to hide the rest. I encourage everyone to read it all.
I simply posted the part that was relevant to the question.
Sue me if it makes you feel better, lol.
You posted part of an article that you deemed relevant. Then you posted that it was not relevent.
Which is it? | |
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| ACORN busted in Nevada
Posted: 10/12/2008 11:19:14 AM | Please take time to read what is written more carefully please.
What I said was referring to relevance of "spin", not the article itself.
[does not show any spin that would be relevant]
I'm really trying to get along here so please try not to make it harder than it is. | |
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| ACORN busted in Nevada
Posted: 10/12/2008 10:07:36 PM |
Some of our posters need to take a reading comprehension course.I'll try to translate.
Basically he said that since it was written in 1995 it had not been altered by the Obama campaign and was most likely the truth.It also quite plainly showed that Obama had a strong association to ACORN and any denial by the Obama Campaign (or the Obama posters on this thread) would be a lie.Apparently steelcity has more tact than I do.I don't have a problem telling someone they are full of it.
I disagree with the assesment. | |
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| ACORN busted in Nevada
Posted: 10/13/2008 8:22:42 AM |
Then post what you've got, and let those who give any size shit determine for themselves the validity of said 'records and sources'. Otherwise, it's just so much methane...
Just type into your url:
Obama and:
Allison Davis
Chicago Annenberg Challenge
Obongo Obama
Odinga
James Meeks
Rashid Khalid
William Ayers
Quadaffi
Nadhami Auchi
Tony Rezko
ACORN
Project Vote
You can come up with all sorts of news sources. | |
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| ACORN busted in Nevada
Posted: 10/13/2008 10:40:03 AM |
Omg, I feel like I'm living on George Orwell's Animal Farm.
Tell me about it.
It's more disheartening than the direction the politicians themselves have taken us. | |
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| ACORN busted in Nevada
Posted: 10/13/2008 11:20:48 AM | According to your own quoted source, Obama's activities were educational "he leads eight black women from the Grand Boulevard community through a discussion of “what folks should know” about who in Chicago has power and why they have it. It’s one of his favorite topics, and the class bubbles with suggestions about how “they” got to be high and mighty…"" Regarding Chicago's political powers.
Your quote has nothing whatsoever to say about the voter registration activities of Acorn. There is nothing to indicate Obama was involved in those at all. By your own quote.
So, I looked up Hank de Zutter to find out his interests and slant/bias in writing the article. Sure enough, his interests have nothing to do with voter registration .... his organization that he has now retired from is interested in political education. See http://www.chicagoreader.com/hottype/2004/041217_2.html for his retirement information and http://www.newstips.org/interior.php?section=About+CMW for his organization's interest bias.... which is how to educate voters.
As a side note, for those who think Obama is lacking in political experience, the article proves that he has had a depth of understanding of politics from as long ago as 1995 to be able to teach the topic in a language that the average Chicago citizen could understand.
Hint: In a critical thinking course the Acorn issue is called the "guilt by association" fallacy. It is meant to distract people from the issues. We can have 4 more years of the Republican destruction of our country or not. | |
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| ACORN busted in Nevada
Posted: 10/13/2008 2:13:34 PM | ^^^^^^^^ Sad indeed.
Here is an article on Obamas connection with acorn.
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=NDZiMjkwMDczZWI5ODdjOWYxZTIzZGIyNzEyMjE0ODI=&w=MA== | |
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| ACORN busted in Nevada
Posted: 10/13/2008 3:51:19 PM | Thanks for that link YourCuteGuy1. Here is a quote....
Two Cleveland men who each signed multiple registration cards as part of a national voter registration drive told the Cuyahoga County Board of Elections today they did so to help ACORN canvassers keep their jobs.
One of the men said he was sometimes offered a cigarette or a dollar bill by workers with the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now.
"They would come up with a sob story when they needed a signature," said Freddie Johnson.
The other man, who came to the board wearing a Domino's pizza delivery shirt, said he would tell ACORN workers who approached him while he was reading on Public Square that he already was registered. But the workers would persist.
"They'd just keep saying I could help them hold onto a job," said Christopher Barkley.
http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2008/10/acorn_canvassers_pestered_peop.html
This again confirms what some of us have been saying... ACORN hired lazy people who turned in duplicate registrations to keep their jobs.
Brandie46
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| ACORN busted in Nevada
Posted: 10/14/2008 5:52:38 AM | With the statement you made in quotes below are you referencing all democrats or a select few or a group?
Democrats are stopping at nothing to manipulate the outcome of the election it appears to those who stand back and look at the big picture.
Do the acorn workers ask each person they are going to register whether they are democrats, republicans or independents?
Do you just assume that the areas that they register in have only people that vote democratic or is that a fact that you can substantiate with a source?
Are the fraudulent forms all filled out by democrats? If your answer is no please provide a source. | |
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| ACORN busted in Nevada
Posted: 10/14/2008 8:59:31 AM | In my opinion, it appears that the speaker chose their words of 'not organizing for ACORN' carefully. That type of statement may be 100% true at face value, but again....just like the McCain ads, it implies more than it actually says.
Paying attention to (implied) details, has served me well in life. Sometimes, its not necessarily what you SAY, its what you DONT say one has to pay attention to. | |
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| ACORN busted in Nevada
Posted: 10/14/2008 9:08:01 AM | I am reminded of a phrase popularized during the Clarence Thomas confirmation hearings...
When it comes to ACORN, Democrats "just don't get it"... | |
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| Look what the Repubs are doing with voter registration!!!
Posted: 10/14/2008 12:29:36 PM | take a look at this link and see what the republicans are doing in the swing states to combat the influx in voters. So it's not all just ACORN. sigh...when will the madness all end?"
Harliegal... Why did you change the title of this thread? Isnt that against the rules? Or do you think rules dont apply to you?
I hope you're not saying that its okay because the other side (allegedly) does it. That just doesnt make sense to me.
It doesnt make either side right and its not okay. It just goes in a circle if no one admits wrongful doings.
So, to answer your question, its not going to stop just judging on the attitude you're showing here.
Democrats are stopping at nothing to manipulate the outcome of the election it appears to those who stand back and look at the big picture.
It seems they munipulate the forums too.
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| Look what the Repubs are doing with voter registration!!!
Posted: 10/14/2008 12:42:03 PM | It's clear that many of the cards turned in by Acorn were bad. But by law they have to turn in all the cards collected - even the ones they know or are pretty sure are wrong.
They flag the ones they suspect before they turn them in. So if you want to make Acorn look bad, one would only have to start with these ones, then declare that Acorn is turning in nothing but fraudulent cards based on the ones you've checked so far.
Given that Acorn has become one of the favourite whipping boys of the right in the last few years, it would be unlikely if that didn't happen at least in a few places.
The goal is righteous; registering those who are under represented on voter rolls. Heck, that goes back to the Civil Rights movement of the 60's. If that is your goal, can any of it's critics come up with some way to do it that they're not doing now? | |
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| Look what the Repubs are doing with voter registration!!!
Posted: 10/14/2008 1:36:34 PM | | You know Dad, I see it differently from you. Voting is a right, and if some choose not to exercise their right to vote by not registering and not voting, what business is it of anyone else's to hunt them down and harrass them to register to vote? While the goal might be righteous as you suggest, I think at some point people need to be personally responsible, and if they want to vote, they can go register themselves...em..one time only :) When I turned 18, that was one of the first things that I did. Why should someone be cajoled into voting? If they don't think it was important enough to do in the first place, do you really think they'll vote responsibily and thoughtfully? | |
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| Look what the Repubs are doing with voter registration!!!
Posted: 10/14/2008 1:50:31 PM | If I recall correctly ACORN stands for Assn of Community Organizations for Reform Now.
One of the frustrating things for organizations that work in inner cities and with the poor is that the poor have no political clout. When they try to get help for the people they work with they can't give money like the corporate interests, and they can't threaten or cajole with votes. By registering voters in their communities, this coalition is hoping that their issues will be addressed by those seeking election.
That's why there were voter registration drives in the South. If Black people didn't (or couldn't) vote, there was no political motivation to change Jim Crow laws. | |
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| Look what the Repubs are doing with voter registration!!!
Posted: 10/14/2008 2:02:46 PM | | Well thank God the days of Blacks or women not being allowed to vote are behind us. I will still have to respectfully disagree with you, the responsbility of deciding to register and vote belongs with the individual imvho. | |
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| Look what the Repubs are doing with voter registration!!!
Posted: 10/14/2008 2:18:03 PM | What do you find different now with registration drives compared to the woman's movement? It takes organization to mobilize and organize groups so whether it's organizing the woman's movement or those that are living in some of the poorer sections it's the same thing, my question is why does it bother you? what scares you about registration drives?
Well thank God the days of Blacks or women not being allowed to vote are behind us. I will still have to respectfully disagree with you, the responsbility of deciding to register and vote belongs with the individual imvho.
Democrats, independents and republicans all have registration booths and drives and not just in the poorer areas | |
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| Look what the Repubs are doing with voter registration!!!
Posted: 10/14/2008 3:06:59 PM | | Nothing scares me about registration drives and booths. Whereever are you getting that idea? I don't believe that voters should be "chased" down and strong armed to register. Have a drive by all means, but at the end of the day, it's up to the individual as to whether they want to or not and there should not be pressure applied to them to do so. | |
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| Look what the Repubs are doing with voter registration!!!
Posted: 10/14/2008 3:33:37 PM | " I think at some point people need to be personally responsible, and if they want to vote, they can go register themselves"
So, Barbe, I take it this means you are opposed to voter registration drives sponsored by any group .... whether party or lobby? You see, I have gone through periods where I have personally been approached by people at registration tables wanting to register me. What I have heard about ACORN I have experienced by other groups ... some clearly wanting to register me for something other than Democrat. Some clearly not wanting to use their time to register me if I am not voting their way.
ACORN isn't doing anything that other voter registration groups aren't doing too. CA doesn't have the same open system that Ohio has. We have systems to make sure that a person is only registered once and systems on election day that make any non-rolls voter a provisional vote that is held until it is proven that they are a legally registered voter that has not otherwise already voted.
I do agree with you that Ohio and other states registration systems need to be fixed. No matter who is doing it harrassing people and bribing with smokes is not appropriate. Paying by piece work vs hourly. But ACORN is only one of the voter registration problems. There are many others, I have experienced them, and they are not all pro-democrat.
Meanwhile, the whole issue is but a distraction from the real issues we need to vote about. | |
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| Look what the Repubs are doing with voter registration!!!
Posted: 10/14/2008 3:41:28 PM | So do you have a " source" to show that voters are being strong armed and forced to register? Or is that just your opinion?
Nothing scares me about registration drives and booths. Whereever are you getting that idea? I don't believe that voters should be "chased" down and strong armed to register. Have a drive by all means, but at the end of the day, it's up to the individual as to whether they want to or not and there should not be pressure applied to them to do so
What do you consider "chased '? I have worked at voter registration at the booths, am I chasing down people? Should I stop ? I have never refused to help anyone register and so far I have never been asked to use strong arm tactics | |
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| Voter fraud is no joke.
Posted: 10/14/2008 4:28:53 PM | Well Earl, I think that's mighty commendable, and I'd be happy to register at your booth if I wasn't already registered. No one likes to feel pressured to do something.
Voter booths offer the opportunity for someone to register if they so choose, but it's their right to decide for themselves whether they actually do it.
'Gandi, thanks for your post, it's making me think. At first thought, the idea of voting being solicited by lobbyists and party's rather than the register of voters does make me uncomfortable. I'm going to have to think about it some more.
Earl? when you are working a voter booth, are you doing it as a volunteer, or are you getting paid for each registration you turn in if you don't mind me asking?
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| Look what the Repubs are doing with voter registration!!!
Posted: 10/14/2008 4:30:27 PM |
Well thank God the days of Blacks or women not being allowed to vote are behind us.
OOOoh yeah.. I forgot about that. Women could'nt do much of anything but breath.
We were'nt 'allowed' (we were'nt allowed..did you get that?) to smoke, vote, drive or have jobs. Is that laughable or what?
And it really wasnt all that long ago that we gained the rights (or did we fight for them?) | |
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| Look what the Repubs are doing with voter registration!!!
Posted: 10/14/2008 5:08:28 PM | | OKAY I'll ADMIT, I'm totally in the dark on this. But how can there be voter registration fraud? I mean I know there can be but how does it work? Does it allow 1 person to vote twice in different districts or something? Someone explain how this works. Or point me to an explanation. Thanks. | |
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| Voter fraud is no joke.
Posted: 10/14/2008 7:05:36 PM | Barbie coming from a long line of democrats I was taught never to lie so....... I am a highly paid democratic recruiter and organizer we are not allowed to turn away anyone because of their political preferences but unlike Acorn who pays their register's an hourly wage we pay by the registration our workers get 25cents for each republican 50 cents for each independent and 2 dollars for each democrat we register, as an organizer I get 10 percent of every voter registration. The problem is we only get to work every four years so we really have to hustle. It's been very rough working for Senator Obama he is a royal pain he insists on our being as accurate as possible and he does not pay for fraudulent registrations if I had known what a pain he was going to be I would have worked for the republicans this year, I also own some ocean front property in Arizona that I am selling
Now for some reality I work as an unpaid volunteer anyone is welcome at my booth, we do not coerce any one, we don't chase them down the street and we don't twist anyone’s arm to register, we don't hate republicans we just believe that our candidate is the best one to handle the mess our country is in, I am not a die hard democrat or republican I support the candidate according to the platform they run on , I am disappointed in both candidates this year the campaigns they have run have been based too much on slanderous attacks on the other party. Its okay to disagree on issues in fact we should, but the constant personal attacks are a distraction from the things we need to focus on . We need to demand honesty and expect more from those who run for public office. I would imagine that their strategist look at forums like this and develop their strategy based in part on what they see . The truth is as long as we stay down in the mud we will get exactly what we deserve
With the technology we have today voter fraud should not even be an issue, in part the problems we are facing today are because we are lagging behind in developing the technology we need to be competitive in the world market to reduce our dependency on fossil fuels and to be the world leaders in the innovative technologies of the future | |
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