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 CharlesEdm

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Look what the Repubs are doing with voter registration!!!
Posted: 10/14/2008 8:21:33 PM
Does anybody have any evidence of falsely registered Acorn workers actually voting?
 Charlemagne08

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Posted: 10/14/2008 8:54:22 PM
Per a show I'm watching at the moment...

Voter registration fraud is a very different thing from voter fraud or voter suppression. In 2000 and 2004, the GOP was guilty of voter suppression and they are still trying to advance that agenda. There was recently a Supreme Court decision stating that states can require voters to produce a driver's license in order to vote (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24351798/).

This year, the Democrats have registered millions upon millions of new voters and this could be very bad for Republicans. The stink the GOP is trying to create over ACORN is just another attempt to distract voters from the issues.

A photo was released yesterday that shows John McCain in 2006 at an event cosponsored by.....you guessed it...ACORN (http://dyn.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/index.cfm/category/JohnMcCain). He was the keynote speaker and said they were special people, or words to that effect.

Bertha Lewis, ACORN's chief organizer, said in a statement that came with the photo, “It has deeply saddened us to see Senator McCain abandon his historic support for ACORN and our efforts to support the goals of low-income Americans."

”We are sure that the extremists he is trying to get into a froth will be even more excited to learn that John McCain stood shoulder to shoulder with ACORN, at an ACORN co-sponsored event, to promote immigration reform,"
she said.

The TV show played a video of McCain speaking at the ACORN sponsored event.

Anytime people are paid to register voters, there are a few people who turn in false applications. They are the exception. More importantly, just because false applications are turned in does not mean false votes will be cast, thus it is not very likely (if it's even possible) to steal an election by way of false voter registrations. You can register Mickey Mouse to vote but he's not going to actually turn up to vote. You can register dead people, but they obviously aren't going to turn up to vote. You can register the same person 20 times, but they can only vote once.

In 2004 I believe, the GOP hired attorneys to find examples of actual voter fraud to support Bush's case in the election dispute. They couldn't find any.

The GOP is creating this controversy in an attempt to suppress voter turnout because the more Democrats who show up to vote, the worse it is for them and John McCain.
 Charlemagne08

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Posted: 10/14/2008 10:37:01 PM
It was too late for me to add this to my previous post:

McCain Speaks at 2006 ACORN-Sponsored Immigration Rally
Posted on Oct 14, 2008

“What makes America special is what’s in this room tonight,” says the keynote speaker in this video clip from February 20, 2006. Who was speaking that night? None other than Republican presidential candidate John McCain. Where was he speaking? At Miami Dade College in Miami, Florida, at an immigration rally sponsored by—wait for it—ACORN.

Here's the video:

http://www.truthdig.com/avbooth/item/20081014_mccain_speaks_at_2006_acorn_sponsored_immigration_rally/

McCain speaks a little over 1:50 into the video.
 CharlesEdm

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Posted: 10/14/2008 10:49:35 PM
Some people are just determined to believe whatever the Republican attack machine sells them. Turns out this is all a bunch of crap.


The Republican voter fraud hoaxDonald Duck and the Dallas Cowboys won't steal the election for Obama. Acorn's only crime is registering Democratic votersComments (133)
Brad Friedman guardian.co.uk, Monday October 13 2008 20.30 BST
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Barack Obama and the Democrats are stealing the election. Massive voter fraud is being carried out, even as we speak, by their henchmen, known by the innocuous sounding Association for Community Organisations for Reform Now, or Acorn. Clever **stards.

The only problem? Despite the screaming wall-to-wall coverage of "Democratic voter fraud in 11 swing states" as seen on Fox News and even the once-respectable CNN, none of it's true. None of it.

In just the last week, we've had a phoney stunt raid in swing state Nevada (where Acorn had been cooperating with officials for months, concerning problem canvassers they'd long ago fired); a Republican election official in swing state Missouri tell Fox News that she's being beseiged with fraudulent registration forms from Acorn (in a county where they've not done any registration work since August); a Republican sheriff in swing state Ohio, who, the very next day, suddenly requested the names and addresses of hundreds of early voters (with evidence of exactly zero wrong doing, but lots of Democratic-leaning college student in the particular county, and John McCain's state campaign chair as a partner in the investigation); and a screaming front page headline in Rupert Murdoch's New York Post about a guy who claims he was somehow tricked by Acorn into registering 72 times (but read the article closely to note he says he registered at the same address each time, which, even if true, would allow him - you guessed it - precisely one legal vote.)

It's an old Republican scam, but it's never been carried out with more zeal than this year. The Republicans have been putting so much time, money and resources into the propaganda leading up to this over the last four years, we should have expected no less.

As luck would have it, the Democrats have a man who, as an attorney years ago, actually had the temerity to join the US department of justice in representing Acorn in a successful lawsuit, forcing the state of Illinois to follow the law by allowing citizens to register to vote at the department of motor vehicles. What a scoundrel.

That, of course, was before the department of justice, under George Bush's corrupt command, would itself become politicised by the very Republicans so desperate to keep low-income voters from voting, that they were willing to fire their own US attorneys for failing to bring phoney charges of voter fraud in key swing states like Nevada and Missouri.

So what are the crimes that have caused all the Sturm und Drang on US television and talk radio, and in several otherwise respectable newspapers and even by the McCain campaign itself?

The only actual crime here is that Acorn managed to register some 1.3m low-income (read: Democratic-leaning) voters over the past two years. The rest is, pretty much, just made up.

But in the bloody and desperate trenches of the Republican war on democracy, that's more than enough to kick in a last minute surge of lies that may - with the help of a compliant and lazy corporate US media - wreak enough havoc, scare enough voters, confuse enough people and plant enough seeds to call an Obama victory into doubt on November 4.

If you can't win it, steal it. If you can't steal it, claim the other guy stole it. If you can't claim the other guy stole it (yet), say they're about to and then kick up smoke that maybe someone will believe you. (Heckuva job, CNN.)

Here are the facts. Acorn verifies the legitimacy of every registration its canvassers collect. If they can't authenticate the registration, or it's incomplete or questionable in other ways, they flag that form as problematic ("fraudulent", "incomplete", et cetera). They then hand in all registration forms, even the problematic ones, to elections officials, as they are required to do by law. In almost every case where you've heard about fraud by Acorn, it's because Acorn itself notified officials about the fraud that's been perpetrated on them by rogue canvassers. Most officials who run to the media screaming "Acorn is committing fraud" know all of the above but don't bother to share those facts with the media they've run to. None of this is about voter fraud. None of it. Where any fraud has occurred, it's voter registration fraud and has resulted in exactly zero fraudulent votes.

You'll hear that Donald Duck, Mary Poppins,****Tracy, Mickey Mouse and (new this year) the starting lineup of the Dallas Cowboys football team have all had fraudulent registrations submitted in their names. That's true. And we know this, why? Because Acorn told officials about it when they followed the law and turned in those registrations, flagged as fraudulent.

What you won't hear is that federal law requires anybody who does not register to vote in person at the county office to show an ID when they go to vote the first time. So, unless Donald Duck shows up with his ID, he won't be voting this November. You needn't worry, no matter how much even John McCain himself cynically and dishonourably tries to mislead you.

If it quacks like a duck, in this case, it's likely another Republican Acorn voter fraud lie. They haul it out every two years.

Just days before the 2004 presidential election, rightwing whack job Michelle Malkin claimed that Acorn was registering terrorists to vote in swing state Ohio. Problem was, that was a lie.

In 2006, again just days before the election, the new US attorney in swing state Missouri (recently appointed, since the one before him refused to bring such charges), filed voter fraud indictments against Acorn workers in the state. Problem was, bringing election-related indictments that close to an election was a violation of the department of justice's own written policy. And Acorn had nothing to do with it, other than turning in the employees to officials.

Getting the picture? It's a hoax. All of it.

But it's been an effective one, as it's served to distract from very real concerns about tens of thousands of voters who have been illegally purged from the voting rolls in dozens of states, as the New York Times reported in a remarkable front page investigative story. That story followed a report the week before from CBS News detailing still more wholesale purges of voting rolls in some 20 states.

That will be the November surprise, when thousands, if not millions show up to vote only to find they are no longer welcome to do so and are forced to vote on a "provisional ballot" which may or may not be counted.

These real concerns of election fraud, such as voting roll purges, electronic voting machines that don't work and so much more that actually matters, have been obscured by the smoke and mirrors and sleight of hand of the Republican party's phoney Acorn voter fraud charade.

And where they can, they'll parlay it all into new photo ID restrictions at the polls (knowing full well that some 20m, largely Democratic-leaning voters don't own the type of ID they'd need to jump over that next Republican hurdle.)

Yet, with all of the unsubstantiated, wholly bogus claims of voter fraud being carried out by Democrats, there remains at least one case of absolutely ironclad, documented, yet still-unprosecuted case of voter fraud that, for some reason, Republicans don't much like to talk about.

We can only wonder why.
 Charlemagne08

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Posted: 10/14/2008 11:20:15 PM
Charles that article sums it up very nicely. I must admit that in my ignorance of ACORN and its history, I was starting to become concerned about this whole thing...so yes, this particular nasty tactic on the Republicans' part can sometimes be effective in confusing voters.

Hopefully Obama will be very clear about this at the debate tomorrow night. And I think you should forward that article to CNN and any other media outlet you feel compelled to send it to. Send it to Anderson Cooper and Larry King at the very least.

As always, the great minds on these forums serve to educate moi. Tanks.
 itechman63

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Posted: 10/15/2008 5:20:50 AM

Most officials who run to the media screaming "Acorn is committing fraud" know all of the above but don't bother to share those facts with the media they've run to.


What pisses me off about most of the campaign tactics employed, particularly the GOP style of the last 20 years, is that word "know".

These people KNOW the facts but misrepresent and omit them when politicizing items for their campaign. They say one simple thing... "Enough Americans are stupid and we can exploit them for it". When they tell you that ACORN is trying to steal the election and you believe it, what does that say about you?
 ronjo58

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Posted: 10/15/2008 6:03:06 AM
You know, this can be argued till doomsday. Election Fraud has been commited in this country. We all agree on that. Yes on both sides. So my take is this. There needs to be a law that everyone has to produce a State or Government Photo and fingerprint ID
in order to register to vote. This should be done at least two weeks before any election to qualify to vote. The fingerprint will ensure that unqualified felons cannot vote.
 dmotz

Joined: 7/25/2006
Msg: 108
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Posted: 10/15/2008 7:01:42 AM
You know I think it is about time McCain starts to hit back and hit back hard. He needs to tell the American people about ACORN and all the other seedy affiliations of Barack..Everything from Ayers to Wright...get it out...
The liberals can and do go after the Republicans for any little thing and then make it a huge media event. Lets see what happens when Obama is faced with the tough questions ...


http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=19737

ACORN: Labor's Ally Is a Bad Seed

One of Big Labor’s chief allies in promoting last November’s several state ballot initiatives to hike minimum wage rates was the far-left activist group Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN). The group claims that it “helped more ... than 540,000 low-income and minority people register to vote in 2006.” The minimum-wage initiatives were part of an ACORN strategy to bring out the Democrats’ base by rallying support around the issue.

But some ACORN activists may have committed election fraud. In Missouri, ACORN and its union allies credit the minimum-wage issue with helping put Democrat Claire McCaskill over the top in her challenge to Republican incumbent Sen. Jim Talent. ACORN’s actions have raised eyebrows—and produced federal indictments.

St. Louis election officials received so many fraudulent voter registration cards from ACORN that they sent letters to 5,000 registrants, asking the recipients to contact them, John Fund reported in the Wall Street Journal. Fewer than 40 of the suspect registrants responded.

The city’s elections director, Scott Leiendecker, said some registration cards appeared to be signed by the same person, and some names appeared to be copied straight out of the phone book. For example, Robert S. Rothschild, Jr. and his wife are listed in the white pages as Sandy and Susan Rothschild. They received a letter from the county election board notifying them of their new voter registration as Sandy and Susan Rothschild—each female and each having the same birth date. “Is someone really going to go to our precinct and try to vote? I doubt it very much,” Rothschild told the St. Louis Post-Dispatch. “Or is this just some sloppy way [for an ACORN worker] to make it appear that they’re really doing the work they’re hired to do?”

Leiendecker asks a similar question. “It’s one of two things,” he told the Post-Dispatch. “ACORN needs to look at themselves internally, and their management practices. Something is not clicking. Either that or this group is trying to commit fraud.”

ACORN founder Wade Rathke responded to the Missouri findings by calling the election officials “slop buckets” and accusing them of having “broken the law in trying to discourage new voters illegally.”

Nonsense, say the officials. “We met twice with ACORN before their drive, but our requests completely fell by the wayside,” St. Louis Deputy Elections Director Matt Potter, a Democrat, told Fund.

Election officials in Kansas City had similar complaints about voter registrations turned in by ACORN. In October, Kansas City’s Republican elections director, Ray James, and his Democratic counterpart, Sharon Turner Buie, said that more than 15,000 registrations were “questionable” for reasons such as duplicates, questionable and unreadable information, or names, addresses and Social Security numbers that don’t match actual records, according to the Columbia Daily Tribune.

ACORN claims that the fraudulent registrations were perpetrated by some “temporary workers” whom ACORN caught and fired, and that it brought the matter to the attention of authorities. But Kansas City Board of Elections Chairman Melodie Powell, a Republican, says that these claims are “seriously misleading” and that ACORN helped identify the perpetrators only after her staff took the evidence to the FBI.

On November 2, a federal grand jury in Kansas City indicted four ACORN employees for “knowingly and willingly” submitting false information to election authorities. The four allegedly submitted 15,000 fraudulent voter registration forms—including ones with fake names, signatures or addresses. The charge has maximum penalties of up to five years in prison and a $250,000 fine.

ACORN workers have been convicted of election-related offenses in Wisconsin and Colorado, and investigations have been launched in Ohio, Pennsylvania and Tennessee.

“There’s no quality control on purpose, no checks and balances,” Nate Toler, an ACORN organizer, told the Journal’s Fund. “The internal motto is ‘We don’t care if it’s a lie, just so long as it stirs up the conversation.’” He added, “I may have my head chopped off for telling the truth.”

Loretta Barton, a former ACORN organizer from Dayton, Ohio, tells a similar tale and says that “all ACORN wanted from registration drives was results.”

And what results! In 2004, a worker for an Ohio ACORN affiliate was given crack cocaine in exchange for fraudulent registrations, which included the underage, the deceased and names like Mary Poppins,****Tracy and Jive Turkey.

ACORN claims that its errors are the result of honest mistakes. But if that’s the case, they reveal a level of incompetence that is plain jaw-dropping. For example, the Kansas City elections office received seven applications signed by the same person during a period of only four days, August 29-31, reported TV station KMBC. ACORN member Todd Elkins, who was at the elections office on October 24, told KMBC reporter Michael Mahoney that it was possible that the person signing was just friendly, “and maybe he kept coming up to our voting canvassers and just signing up.” “Seven times?” asked Mahoney. “I’m saying it’s a possibility,” responded Elkins.

In another case, Kansas City election officials sent a letter to a voter requesting more information about his registration card. His wife called back saying that he had been deceased for 27 years.

And Jackson County elections board director Charlene Davis, whose region includes parts of Kansas City, showed KMBC’s Mahoney 11 voter applications signed by the same 19-year-old woman. “But they’re all signed by her, the same person,” said Davis. “Incredible, isn’t it?”

Taxpayers Foot the Bill

This is bad enough. But particularly galling is ACORN’s receipt of taxpayer funds and its hypocritical refusal to practice what it preaches.

ACORN is a beneficiary of federal government largess. During 2003-2004, it received $2.6 million in federal grants to support its housing programs. But its political activism has led Republican lawmakers to forbid Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac from funding ACORN’s voter registration drives. ACORN has a history of using federal grants to subsidize its political activities. According to the Wall Street Journal, a 1994 grant to the ACORN Housing Corp. from the federal volunteer agency AmeriCorps was terminated after an inspector general found that ACORN had used AmeriCorps volunteers for political purposes.

Despite these setbacks, ACORN has lobbied for access to more federal funds and it is likely to ask more of the Democrat-controlled Congress. In 2005, it actually helped convince the Republican-controlled House of Representatives to pass a bill creating an “affordable housing trust fund,” which would allocate up to 5% of profits generated by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to groups like ACORN to provide affordable housing. The bill went nowhere in the Senate, but it is likely to be reintroduced in the new Congress. Given its history, it’s not unreasonable to expect ACORN to use these funds to subsidize its ongoing political activities. Even with legal and accounting controls, money is always fungible.

Unhappy Employees

ACORN may champion worker rights, but it’s a lousy employer. In 2003, the National Labor Relations Board ordered ACORN to rehire and pay restitution to three employees it fired for trying to join a union. Loretta Barton, the former ACORN Dayton organizer, has filed an Equal Employment Opportunity Commission complaint against ACORN. She told Fund, “We were told, ‘if you get a union, you won’t have a job.’”

In 2006, ACORN had workers in Missouri sign contracts stating that they would be “working up to 80 hours over seven days of work.”

And the group often pays workers below the minimum wage levels for which it lobbies. For example, in 1995, ACORN unsuccessfully sued the state of California to be exempt from the minimum wage, because, it claimed, “the more that ACORN must pay each individual outreach worker ... the fewer outreach workers it will be able to hire.” (Eureka!) And during its successful campaign for a $9.50 minimum wage for Santa Fe, N.M.—the highest in the nation—ACORN paid its organizers $25,000 a year, or $8.90 an hour.

“We pay as much as we can,” says Rathke. “If people can get more elsewhere, we wish them well.”

Now there’s someone who understands the free-market system.
 neopol

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Posted: 10/15/2008 7:34:03 AM

Barbie coming from a long line of democrats I was taught never to lie so....... I am a highly paid democratic recruiter and organizer we are not allowed to turn away anyone because of their political preferences but unlike Acorn who pays their register's an hourly wage we pay by the registration our workers get 25cents for each republican 50 cents for each independent and 2 dollars for each democrat we register, as an organizer I get 10 percent of every voter registration. The problem is we only get to work every four years so we really have to hustle.


Well, if this practice doesn't scream surefire potential fraud, then I dont know what does.

Incentive?? Different personal monetary rewards for different party registration?? Doesnt sound any different than telemarketing to me. You'd have to have the scruples of a used car salesman to justify & defend this practice.

This is the shit that causes the fraud & oughta be stopped. I cant believe this is legal. No wonder its so popular, & why its defended rabidly.

Thanks for the eye opener.
 itechman63

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Posted: 10/15/2008 7:47:52 AM

You know, this can be argued till doomsday. Election Fraud has been commited in this country. We all agree on that. Yes on both sides. So my take is this. There needs to be a law that everyone has to produce a State or Government Photo and fingerprint ID
in order to register to vote. This should be done at least two weeks before any election to qualify to vote. The fingerprint will ensure that unqualified felons cannot vote.


Seems quite reasonable to me Ronjo.

Now what to do about elected officials that labor to suppress counting actual votes.
 ronjo58

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Posted: 10/15/2008 10:17:41 AM
Any Official trying to suppress the right to vote should be prosecuted. No matter who they are.
I agree that Obama needs to be hit hard not only on the ACORN issue but also on the bad judgement he has shown in the beds he has shared with radical people. I am not saying Obama is guilty of their crimes, but his defense of them and his record of working with them shows very poor judgement. His denials are getting tiresome
and so is the media that tries every trick in the book to clear him of the obvious relationships he has groomed. Throwing them under the bus and deny deny deny is getting old. People are catching on. Yes, McCain needs to attack Obama. With every fact that has come out on Obamas bad judgement in choosing his radical and criminal(Rezco) associates.
 itechman63

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Posted: 10/15/2008 11:35:51 AM
I think the problem Ronjo is why is it that all of these radicals that Obama has come into contact with in the past been because they've come into this contact as a result of actively working on helping less privileged people? Rezko an exception because he actually more closely resembles the type of person that most Congressmen regardless of their party come into contact with.

Rezko is just another Keating and McDougal. Obama's involvement with him is no worse than McCain's involvement with Keating and I think less so because after digging and digging no one's found nearly as complicit involvement than McCain's with Keating. McCain's supporters are content that McCain was "cleared" without any explanation why the one of the five that received the most from Keating was deemed less involved than the others. Pick a Congressman and a President and you will find maybe one or two total that don't have at least one equivalent association.

Why is it that it seems the radicals are always the ones that seem to be giving their time for good causes and why is it that McCain's not come into contact with any radicals? Perhaps that has to mean that McCain's never truly worked for little to nothing in community service instead padding his resume with the more privileged criminals as most politicians do.
 trailviews

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Posted: 10/15/2008 11:43:47 AM

There needs to be a law that everyone has to produce a State or Government Photo and fingerprint ID in order to register to vote.

You can line up for your chip implantation if you want to, but there's no way I'm allowing our government to require biometric data in exchange for our right to vote.
 itechman63

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Posted: 10/15/2008 12:10:12 PM
That did sound a little "Anti-Christ-y" to me too Trail.
 ronjo58

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Posted: 10/15/2008 1:08:00 PM
Two points I would like to make. First of all, I never mentioned anything about implanted chips. I would be totally against that.I certainly would never be an anti -christ because I am a Christian.
Fingerprints and Photograph technology have been around for around a hundred years more or less. There is no racial profiling in this idea and nothing anti christ or immoral about the identification system that this would take. What I suggested is no more really than your driver license or state ID which is required anyway.
Second of all, CAC of which Obama was a chairman in 1995-1999, obtained funds that were earmarked for improving education and instead were used to promote radicalism in classrooms.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122212856075765367.html?mod=djemEditorialPage
 Reddwine

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Posted: 10/15/2008 3:00:48 PM
Barbie coming from a long line of democrats I was taught never to lie so....... I am a highly paid democratic recruiter and organizer we are not allowed to turn away anyone because of their political preferences but unlike Acorn who pays their register's an hourly wage we pay by the registration our workers get 25cents for each republican 50 cents for each independent and 2 dollars for each democrat we register, as an organizer I get 10 percent of every voter registration. The problem is we only get to work every four years so we really have to hustle.


oh really?? I cant believe this is legal.


There needs to be a law that everyone has to produce a State or Government Photo and fingerprint ID in order to register to vote.

This is too simple and those that have something to hide, will yell about it and call it unconstitutional.
 Brandie46

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Posted: 10/15/2008 3:27:53 PM
Having to get a fingerprint ID to vote woud be going a bit too far, considering that all it takes to verify that you are eligible to work in this country is a driver's license and social security card.
The voter registrations are already checked against the social security and drivers license databases. Duplicated registrations would be thrown out and if additional proof of citizenship is required they do contact the person.
The only thing they need is to make sure the picture ID looks like the person presenting it at the polls.
Rather than worry about duplicate or bogus voter registrations which will be thrown out anyway, I am more concerned about felons who have paid for their crimes not being allowed to vote. What's that about?

Obama/Biden 2008!
 Reddwine

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Posted: 10/15/2008 3:55:41 PM
I am more concerned about felons who have paid for their crimes not being allowed to vote. What's that about?

Oh gosh I dont know.. could it be because in common law legal systems, a felony is a serious crime?
 itechman63

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Posted: 10/15/2008 5:13:33 PM

I am more concerned about felons who have paid for their crimes not being allowed to vote. What's that about?



Oh gosh I dont know.. could it be because in common law legal systems, a felony is a serious crime?


I never thought about this before but it occurs to me that after they serve their time and re-enter the workplace they do have to pay Income Taxes.
 ronjo58

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Posted: 10/15/2008 5:14:21 PM
There are felons whose civil rights have been revoked in some states. They are not eligible to vote and the fingerprints will identify them. Also there are people who have similar features and people do have their ids stolen. The fingerprints are a better ID than photos.
 Brandie46

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Posted: 10/15/2008 5:20:40 PM

In common law legal systems, a felony is a serious crime, often contrasted with a misdemeanor. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felony

Reddwine, thanks for the definition of felon from wikipedia. I was curious to know why they are stripped of the right to vote, but can be hired to register people to vote.

Brandie46
 ronjo58

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Posted: 10/15/2008 5:31:25 PM
From Webster Dictionary: a: a grave crime formerly differing from a misdemeanor under English common law by involving forfeiture in addition to any other punishment b: a grave crime declared to be a felony by the common law or by statute regardless of the punishment actually imposed c: a crime declared a felony by statute because of the punishment imposed d: a crime for which the punishment in federal law may be death or imprisonment for more than one year.

ACORN says that a felon needs a job too. Of course there could be an intimidation factor and a danger to the public depending on the mindset of the felon. There have been reports of threats from ACORN paid employees that those who register with them must vote for their candidates. Whether they are true, I don't know at this moment.
 Brandie46

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Posted: 10/15/2008 5:45:35 PM
Hmm....well this is disturbing!


The 14th Amendment permits states to deny the vote "for participation in rebellion, or other crime." And it can be argued that prisoners should not vote; after all, the purpose of prison is to deny freedom. But with ex-cons, the argument shifts.
Some say those who break the law lack the trustworthiness to make it. Todd Gaziano of the Heritage Foundation argues that felons might form some kind of "anti-law-enforcement bloc" and elect bad officials. But last year Alabama Republican Party Chairman Marty Connors stated a bald truth: "As frank as I can be," he said, "we're opposed to [restoring voting rights] because felons don't tend to vote Republican." He is right: People with low incomes, low education or minority status -- all benchmarks of convict populations -- vote Democratic 65 to 90 percent of the time.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A9785-2004Aug17.html



In 1800, no state prohibited felons from voting. On the eve of the Civil War, 80% of the states did, largely to block African Americans, who though rarely allowed to vote were disproportionately represented among felons. Today, the impact of these laws still falls disproportionately on poor, minority males, a fact that seems to have skewed more than a few elections.
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1553510,00.html


Sounds like state sanctioned voter suppression to me!

Brandie46
 Reddwine

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ACORN busted in Nevada
Posted: 10/15/2008 7:18:12 PM
Reddwine, thanks for the definition of felon from wikipedia.
That's hilarious you would make fun of references.. aahahahaaa you're killin me here. You **** when I don't give references and you get all tacky because of correct usage of terminology.

Thanks for some comic relief, that's cute. Let me go over here in this corner again, and keep my opinions to myself. Seems I can get in trouble when Im right OR wrong. well, at least you spelled my name right.
 EarlzP

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ACORN busted in Nevada
Posted: 10/15/2008 10:23:01 PM
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Apparently you do not bother to read an entry or you both have another agenda which is it ?


Barbie coming from a long line of democrats I was taught never to lie so....... I am a highly paid democratic recruiter and organizer we are not allowed to turn away anyone because of their political preferences but unlike Acorn who pays their register's an hourly wage we pay by the registration our workers get 25cents for each republican 50 cents for each independent and 2 dollars for each democrat we register, as an organizer I get 10 percent of every voter registration. The problem is we only get to work every four years so we really have to hustle. It's been very rough working for Senator Obama he is a royal pain he insists on our being as accurate as possible and he does not pay for fraudulent registrations if I had known what a pain he was going to be I would have worked for the republicans this year, I also own some ocean front property in Arizona that I am selling


The quote above was made in jest followed by the quote below



Now for some reality I work as an unpaid volunteer anyone is welcome at my booth, we do not coerce any one, we don't chase them down the street and we don't twist anyone’s arm to register, we don't hate republicans we just believe that our candidate is the best one to handle the mess our country is in, I am not a die hard democrat or republican I support the candidate according to the platform they run on , I am disappointed in both candidates this year the campaigns they have run have been based too much on slanderous attacks on the other party. Its okay to disagree on issues in fact we should, but the constant personal attacks are a distraction from the things we need to focus on . We need to demand honesty and expect more from those who run for public office. I would imagine that their strategist look at forums like this and develop their strategy based in part on what they see . The truth is as long as we stay down in the mud we will get exactly what we deserve


Issues will decide this election arrogance and ignorance sleep in the same bed
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