I think that there's probably less [fraud] than is being discussed. As we're coming into the closing days of any campaign, there are some who enjoy chaos

Funny...you post from the left and I from the right...and your judging?

When it all comes out in the wash Charles...once again you will be wrong...

Yet the Republican Governor of Florida, Charlie Crist says:
I think that there's probably less [fraud] than is being discussed. As we're coming into the closing days of any campaign, there are some who enjoy chaos

Not so moderate anymore there Chuck...pure right wing nowadays! The left has gone so damn far over the edge towards socialism that I had no choice but to return to my roots.

That was our right winger president with all those conservatives voting for it. It's the republicans fighting for socialism now.

Justices Rule Against Ohio G.O.P. in Voting Case

By ADAM LIPTAK and IAN URBINA
Published: October 17, 2008
WASHINGTON — The Supreme Court on Friday overturned a lower court’s order requiring state officials in Ohio to supply information that would have made it easier to challenge prospective voters. The decision was a setback for Ohio Republicans, who had sued to force the Ohio secretary of state, a Democrat, to provide information about database mismatches to county officials. …

Lobbyist Hired by Freddie Mac to Work on McCain Is Now Senator's Aide

By Matthew Mosk and David S. Hilzenrath
Washington Post Staff Writers
Friday, October 3, 2008; Page A09

When mortgage giant Freddie Mac feared several years ago that Sen. John McCain was too outspoken on the issue of executive pay, it pinpointed a lobbyist known for his closeness to McCain and hired him to work with the senator.

Mark Buse, a longtime McCain adviser who had been staff director of the Senate commerce committee, signed on as a Freddie Mac lobbyist, and his firm, ML Strategies, earned $460,000 in lobbying fees in late 2003 and 2004, according to lobbying disclosures. Buse is now chief of staff at McCain's Senate office.

Buse was one of many strategic hires made by Freddie Mac in its efforts to sew up support and manage opponents on Capitol Hill, a push that peaked in 2004 with the retention of 34 outside lobbying firms. Over the past decade, Freddie spent more than $95 million on lobbying, while its sister company, Fannie Mae, spent more than $79 million.

The connections have become a hot political issue for both Republicans and Democrats in the presidential campaign. McCain has highlighted Democratic Sen. Barack Obama's association with high-level figures from Fannie Mae, including former chairman and chief executive James Johnson, who once led Obama's vice presidential search.

McCain's own entanglements include his campaign manager, Rick Davis, who earned more than $2 million as president of an advocacy group that defended Fannie and Freddie against stricter regulation. Davis's lobbying firm, Davis Manafort, also received monthly payments of $15,000 from Freddie Mac as recently as August. …

Obama campaign wants Attorneygate prosecutor to probe GOP's 'sham anti-fraud campaign
Nick Juliano
Published: Friday October 17, 2008

The current spate of trumped-up allegations of "voter fraud" coming from John McCain's campaign and his Republican allies and the FBI's decision to investigate represents exactly the same sort of politicization of justice that is at the root of an ongoing investigation into the firing of federal prosecutors, Barack Obama's campaign alleges.

Obama attorney Bob Bauer has asked Attorney General Michael Mukasey to expand the authority of the special prosecutor appointed to investigate the US Attorney firings to also include the fraud allegations. The campaign released a seven-page letter (http://rawstory.com/images/other/ObamaJusticeletter.pdf) Bauer wrote to Mukasey on Friday requesting the investigation.

"Now, on the emerging evidence of recent conduct undertaken by Bush Administration officials, Republican Party officials, and representatives of the McCain-Palin campaign," he wrote, "it appears that further misconduct of the same nature, directly relevant to the work of the Special Prosecutor, requires that the scope of the Special Prosecutor's assignment be expanded."

Bauer cites the case of former US Attorney David Iglesias, who represented the District of New Mexico until 2006. Bush administration officials reportedly conspired to sack Iglesias in part because of his unwillingness to bring specious voter-fraud charges before an election. Iglesias this week called the voter fraud investigations a scare tactic and said he was shocked to see the FBI was pursuing an investigation based on similarly unmerited accusations of fraud.

On a conference call with reporters Friday, Bauer slammed the "illicit involvement of senior law enforcement officials" in leaking the details of the so-called fraud investigation. The Obama lawyer noted that the leak came "literally within 24 hours" of McCain's statement at Wednesday night's debate that ACORN was threatening the "fabric of our democracy."

The McCain campaign has turned attacking ACORN into a central theme of its campaign in recent weeks, with vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin continuing the assault at a rally in Ohio on Friday.

The community organization, witch which Obama has previously been involved, has produced a relatively small number of inaccurate registration forms in connection with its drive to sign up a million new voters, but it has not been registering voters directly on Obama's behalf and there's no evidence that it's actions in this or any previous election cycle have led to widespread voter fraud.

Bauer said the "reckless and incendiary" attacks from the McCain campaign were aimed more at intimidating voters than at ferreting out fraud. ACORN primarily registered low-income and minority voters, and voting rights advocates fear those voters might not turn out on Election Day to avoid potential harassment at the polls.

The Supreme Court also delivered a setback to the GOP on Friday, ruling against Ohio Republicans who have been feuding with the Secretary of State over registration rules.

Bauer said the conduct he outlines is "directly relevant" to the special prosecutor's investigation and requested a meeting with Mukasey to discuss expanding the investigation.

"Once is more than enough," he wrote. "The Department has yet to recover its credibility after the calamitous politicization of its mission in this Administration and the documented misconduct ... that resulted from the corrupt injection of politics into federal law enforcement."

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/18/washington/18scotus.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin
Justices Rule Against Ohio G.O.P. in Voting Case

All these accusations about ACORN and voter registration fraud ~ right before a Presidential election ~ is exactly what the GOP did right before the 2004 election and the 2000 election. This is just another sleazy attempt by Republicans to steal a third consecutive Presidential election by suppressing voters and scaring them to decrease turnout.

I am so sick and tired of Republicans and the GOP ignoring the will of the people and stealing elections they can't win legitimately. It's disgusting. Yet they profess to be "Christians". What a joke.

I really hope Obama's team can prevent it this time...I hate to think of what might happen if the GOP succeeds in their efforts to steal this election. I don't think voters will stand for it a third time.

All these accusations about ACORN and voter registration fraud ~ right before a Presidential election ~ is exactly what the GOP did right before the 2004 election and the 2000 election. This is just another sleazy attempt by Republicans to steal a third consecutive Presidential election by suppressing voters and scaring them to decrease turnout.

I am so sick and tired of Republicans and the GOP ignoring the will of the people and stealing elections they can't win legitimately. It's disgusting. Yet they profess to be "Christians". What a joke.

It's also a way to muddy the waters.

After the appalling voter fraud in 2004 with voting machines, the standard response was "Look over here! ACORN is bad." There will be the same thing in 2008 - votes will be changed from Democratic to Republican; polling stations will have 300% turnouts in strong Republican areas; votes will be stolen in the counting.

It's just that this time, it won't be enough. If they steal enough votes to swing the election they would be waaay to obvious as it won't be a few hundred thousand required this time - it will have to be millions.

Are you the OP really concerned about a fair election?

Are you also concerned of the GOP's attempts to purge voters that lost their homes due to foreclosure?

Anyone who just lost their home would be more likely to vote for who?

The Acorn thing is just a smoke screen to keep you eyes off the ball that the GOP is at it again trying to push the vote.

It's just that this time, it won't be enough. If they steal enough votes to swing the election they would be waaay to obvious as it won't be a few hundred thousand required this time - it will have to be millions.

By legal definition, to commit voter fraud means a person would have to present some kind of documentation at the polls — a driver's license, a phone bill or another form of ID — that bears the name of Mickey Mouse, for example. To do so risks a fine and imprisonment under state laws.

Voter fraud is rare in the United States, according to a 2007 report by the nonpartisan Brennan Center for Justice at the New York University School of Law. Based on reviews of voter fraud claims at the federal and state level, the center's report asserted most problems were caused by things like technological glitches, clerical errors or mistakes made by voters and by election officials.

"It is more likely that an individual will be struck by lightning than he will impersonate another voter at the polls," the report said.

Alex Keyssar, a professor at Harvard's Kennedy School of Government, calls the current controversy "chapter 22 in a drama that's been going on awhile. The pattern is that nothing much ever comes from this. There have been no known cases of people voting fraudulently."

Weak and ignorant are the people who allow themselves to be manipulated by propaganda, distortions, and outright lies and let other people tell them what to think.

Wise are those who take the time to get accurate information before casting their ballot and think for themselves.

Exactly, that is why I am voting for McCain.

The Verdict:
Misleading. McCain's remark was an oversimplification of a five-minute-long conversation. Obama replied in great detail about his tax plan, and the "spread the wealth" remark was one small part of the conversation.
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