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Posted: 10/19/2008 9:24:54 PM | I tried your links I goggled them and look what happened they came back Your search did not match any documents, now I have tried to use your links try mine it deals with the Keating savings and loan scandal, it’s a video taking during the Keating Five trials
this video about McCain’s involvement with Keating is really disturbing, did you know he participated in covering up for Keating and received what amounted to a slap on the wrist he should not be running for president he should have been removed from office and spent some time writing his memoirs in jail. McCain is a criminal with full knowledge of what Keating was doing he remained silent and let millions of Americans lose their money their life savings, Keating went to jail, McCain walked and should have taken a walk, a long one
http://www.keatingeconomics.com/?source=sem-pm-google&gclid=CPDVsPOitJYCFQSPFQodtkxVLg
Yes you say this quite often when you dont have a comeback dont you. However I have posted the link several times on just this subject yet no answer why is that? Here I will do you a favor and post it again for your edification.
boston.com/.../grim_proving_ground_for_obamas_housing_policy/?page=3 - 64k
There are others but dont see the need to rehash what I have already gone over in other threads. Neither will it make a difference with you. The truth is Obama's ties to the developers on this go straight to Rezko and for further edification I will post these links as well though I doubt not a single one will be looked at.
I made an attempt to goggle each of your links and you can see how they came back
cbs2chicago.com/local/Barack.Obama.Tony.2.336570.html -
noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/06/29/boston-globe-expose-part-ii-barack-obama... - 244k - Cached
So yes there ARE ties to the developers who ARE tied directly to Rezko and there is NO way that Obama could not have known about this though he will deny just as you will.
Your search - noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/06/29/boston-globe-expose-part-ii-barack-obama... - 244k - Cached - did not match any documents.
Your search - cbs2chicago.com/local/Barack.Obama.Tony.2.336570.html - - did not match any documents
Your search - boston.com/.../grim_proving_ground_for_obamas_housing_policy/?page=3 - 64k - did not match any documents.
Let me know how much you trust McCain to run our country after you review the congressional hearings | |
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Posted: 10/20/2008 12:20:54 AM | What do you Republicans have to say about this?
[AP IMPACT: Mortgage firm arranged stealth campaign
WASHINGTON – Freddie Mac secretly paid a Republican consulting firm $2 million to kill legislation that would have regulated and trimmed the mortgage finance giant and its sister company, Fannie Mae, three years before the government took control to prevent their collapse.
In the cross hairs of the campaign carried out by DCI of Washington were Republican senators and a regulatory overhaul bill sponsored by Sen. Chuck Hagel, R-Neb. DCI's chief executive is Doug Goodyear, whom John McCain's campaign later hired to manage the GOP convention in September.
Freddie Mac's payments to DCI began shortly after the Senate Banking, Housing and Urban Affairs Committee sent Hagel's bill to the then GOP-run Senate on July 28, 2005. All GOP members of the committee supported it; all Democrats opposed it.
In the midst of DCI's yearlong effort, Hagel and 25 other Republican senators pleaded unsuccessfully with Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn., to allow a vote.
"If effective regulatory reform legislation ... is not enacted this year, American taxpayers will continue to be exposed to the enormous risk that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac pose to the housing market, the overall financial system and the economy as a whole," the senators wrote in a letter that proved prescient.
Unknown to the senators, DCI was undermining support for the bill in a campaign targeting 17 Republican senators in 13 states, according to documents obtained by The Associated Press. The states and the senators targeted changed over time, but always stayed on the Republican side.
In the end, there was not enough Republican support for Hagel's bill to warrant bringing it up for a vote because Democrats also opposed it and the votes of some would be needed for passage. The measure died at the end of the 109th Congress.
McCain, R-Ariz., was not a target of the DCI campaign. He signed Hagel's letter and three weeks later signed on as a co-sponsor of the bill.
By the time McCain did so, however, DCI's effort had gone on for nine months and was on its way toward killing the bill.
In recent days, McCain has said Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae were "one of the real catalysts, really the match that lit this fire" of the global credit crisis. McCain has accused Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama of taking advice from former executives of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, and failing to see that the companies were heading for a meltdown.
McCain's campaign manager, Rick Davis, or his lobbying firm has taken more than $2 million from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac dating to 2000. In December, Freddie Mac contributed $250,000 to last month's GOP convention.
Obama has received $120,349 in political donations from employees of Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae; McCain $21,550.
The Republican senators targeted by DCI began hearing from prominent constituents and financial contributors, all urging the defeat of Hagel's bill because it might harm the housing boom. The effort generated newspaper articles and radio and TV appearances by participants who spoke out against the measure.
Inside Freddie Mac headquarters in 2005, the few dozen people who knew what DCI was doing referred to the initiative as "the stealth lobbying campaign," according to three people familiar with the drive.
They spoke only on condition of anonymity, saying they fear retaliation if their names were disclosed.
Freddie Mac executive Hollis McLoughlin oversaw DCI's drive, according to the three people.
"Hollis's goal was not to have any Freddie Mac fingerprints on this project and DCI became the hidden hand behind the effort," one of the three people told the AP.
Before 2004, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were Democratic strongholds. After 2004, Republicans ran their political operations. McLoughlin, who joined Freddie Mac in 2004 as chief of staff, has given $32,250 to Republican candidates over the years, including $2,800 to McCain, and has given none to Democrats, according to the Center for Responsive Politics, a nonpartisan group that tracks money in politics.
On Friday night, Hagel's chief of staff, Mike Buttry, said Hagel's legislation "was the last best chance to bring greater oversight and tighter regulation to Freddie and Fannie, and they used every means they could to defeat Sen. Hagel's legislation every step of the way."
"It is outrageous that a congressionally chartered government-sponsored enterprise would lobby against a member of Congress's bill that would strengthen the regulation and oversight of that institution," Buttry said in a statement. "America has paid an extremely high price for the reckless, and possibly criminal, actions of the leadership at Freddie and Fannie."
Nine of the 17 targeted Republican senators did not sign Hagel's letter: Sens. Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, Christopher "Kit" Bond and Jim Talent of Missouri, Conrad Burns of Montana, Mike DeWine of Ohio, Lamar Alexander of Tennessee, Olympia Snowe of Maine, Lincoln Chafee of Rhode Island and George Allen of Virginia. Aside from the nine, 20 other Republican senators did not sign Hagel's letter.
McConnell's office said members of leadership do not sign letters to the leader. McConnell was majority whip at the time.
Eight of the targeted senators did sign it: Sens. Rick Santorum of Pennsylvania, Mike Crapo of Idaho, Jim Bunning of Kentucky, Larry Craig of Idaho, John Ensign of Nevada, Lindsey Graham of South Carolina, George Voinovich of Ohio and David Vitter of Louisiana. Santorum, Crapo and Bunning were on the Senate Banking, Housing and Urban Affairs Committee and had voted in favor of sending the bill to the full Senate.
On Thursday, Freddie Mac acknowledged that the company "did retain DCI to provide public affairs support at the state and local level." On Friday, DCI issued a four-sentence statement saying it complied with all applicable federal and state laws and regulations in representing Freddie Mac. Neither Freddie Mac nor DCI would say how much Goodyear's consulting firm was paid.
Freddie Mac paid DCI $10,000 a month for each of the targeted states, so the more states, the more money for DCI, according to the three people familiar with the program. In addition, Freddie Mac paid DCI a group retainer of $40,000 a month plus $20,000 a month for each regional manager handling the project, the three people said.
Last month, the concerns of the 26 Republican senators who signed Hagel's bill became a reality when the government seized control of Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae amid their near financial collapse. Federal prosecutors are investigating accounting, disclosure and corporate governance issues at both companies, which own or guarantee more than $5 trillion in mortgages, roughly equivalent to half of the national debt.
Freddie Mac was so pleased with DCI's work that it retained the firm for other jobs, finally cutting DCI loose last month after the government takeover, according to the three people familiar with the situation.
Freddie Mac's problems began when Hagel's legislation won approval from the Senate committee.
Democrats did not like the harshest provision, which would have given a new regulator a mandate to shrink Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae by forcing them to sell off part of their portfolios. That approach, the Democrats feared, would cut into the ability of low- and moderate-income families to buy houses.
The political backdrop to the debate "was like bizarre-o-world," said the second of three people familiar with the program. "The Republicans were pro-regulation and the Democrats were against it; it was upside down."
Sen. Richard Shelby, the committee chairman at the time, underscored that in a statement Wednesday, saying that with Democrats already on their side, it was not surprising that Freddie Mac and Freddie Mae went after Republicans. "Unfortunately," said Shelby, R-Ala., "efforts then to derail reform were successful."
In a sign of bad things to come, Freddie Mac was already having serious problems in 2005. Auditors had exposed massive accounting issues, so improved regulation was one obvious remedy.
Once Freddie Mac's in-house lobbyists failed to keep Hagel's bill bottled up in the committee, McLoughlin responded by secretly hiring DCI.
DCI never filed lobbying reports with Congress about what it was doing because the firm was relying on a long-recognized gap in the disclosure law.
Federal lobbying law only requires reporting and registration when there are contacts with a legislator or staff.
"To have it stealthy, not to let people know who is behind this, in my opinion is unethical," said James Thurber, director of the Center for Congressional and Presidential Studies at American University who long has taught courses about lobbying.
Goodyear is a longtime political consultant from Arizona who resigned from the Republican convention job this year after Newsweek magazine revealed he had lobbied for the repressive military junta of Myanmar.
McLoughlin, Freddie Mac's senior vice president for external relations, was assistant treasury secretary from 1989 through 1992 in the administration of President Bush's father. McLoughlin served as chief of staff to Sen. Nicholas Brady, R-N.J., in 1982 and to Rep. Millicent Fenwick, R-N.J., from 1975-79.
Seven of the 17 targeted Republican senators were in the midst of re-election campaigns in 2006, and according to one of the three people familiar with the program, Freddie Mac and DCI hoped those facing tough races would tell their Republican colleagues back in Washington that "we've got enough trouble; you're making it worse with Hagel's bill."
Five of the seven DCI targets who ran for re-election in 2006 lost, and Senate control switched to the Democrats.
A Freddie Mac e-mail on May 4, 2006 — the day before Hagel's letter — details the behind-the-scenes effort that Freddie Mac and DCI generated to hold down the number of Republicans signing Hagel's letter urging a full Senate vote. It said:
"What I'm asking is that DCI get a few of their key well-connected constituents from each state to call in to the DC office of their Republican senators and speak to the (legislative director) or (chief of staff) and urge them not to sign the letter. The following could be used as a short script."
The proposed script read: "We can all agree that Fannie's and Freddie's regulator should be strengthened but unfortunately, S.190 goes too far and could potentially have damaging effects on Georgia's — example — home buyers."
According to the third of the three people familiar with the program, "DCI was asked to help keep senators from signing; it was a big part of their effort that year and it was viewed as a success since many DCI targets did not sign the letter."
DCI's progress after the first four months of the campaign was spelled out in a 19-page document dated Dec. 12, 2005, and titled, "Freddie Mac Field Program State by State Summary Report."
A snippet of a senator-by-senator breakdown of the efforts says this about Maine's Snowe:
"Philip Harriman, former state senator, co-chair of Snowe's 2006 campaign, personal Snowe friend, major GOP donor and investment adviser, has written the senator a personal letter on this issue.****Morin, vice president Maine Association of Mortgage Brokers, has been in direct contact with Sen. Snowe's committee staff, has sent a letter to Snowe, and is pursuing a dozen(s) of letters from his members."
On Wednesday, Snowe's office issued a statement saying that she "literally gets hundreds of 'Dear Colleague' letters seeking support for their positions that she does not sign. Had this legislation come up for a vote in 2006, she certainly would have considered it on its merits — as she does every vote. Just last July, she voted for the housing bill that established a new, stronger regulator."
Rosario Marin, a staunch McCain supporter who spoke at the GOP convention in September, was among the people DCI used in carrying out the campaign.
Marin, the U.S. treasurer during the first term of the Bush administration, went to Missouri and to Montana, Burns' state, where she spoke out against Hagel's bill.
At the time, Burns, who ended up losing his re-election bid, was caught up in a Washington influence peddling scandal centering on disgraced lobbyist Jack Abramoff.
Marin's visit triggered a local newspaper story in which the reporter contacted Burns' staff for comment. Burns' office told the newspaper the senator was not supportive of the latest version of Hagel's bill.
On Wednesday, Marin, now state consumer services secretary in California, issued a statement confirming that her trips to Missouri and Montana were in her capacity as a DCI consultant.
The December 2005 summary listing 17 Republican targets outlines the inroads DCI was making.
"On day one" of the effort, Sen. George Allen of Virginia had not addressed Hagel's bill and his legislative aide for housing was not assigned to it, the report said.
"Today," the report added, "the senator is aware of the issue and ... at the moment he is undecided." Allen's deputy chief of staff "has said that the senator will take into consideration before he decides that Freddie Mac is located in Virginia and is one of the largest Virginia employers."
"Grasstops/opinion leaders James Todd, president, the Peterson Companies wrote to both senators," the report added. "Milt Peterson, the founder and CEO of the company is one of Allen's major donors."
In the end, Allen, who lost his bid for re-election in 2006, did not sign Hagel's letter.]
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| ACORN busted in Nevada
Posted: 10/20/2008 5:27:08 AM |
Really? Acorn voted wrongfully? Illegal votes resulted from ACORN? You've yet to provide any evidence for either of these..... we're waiting!
Wow forgive me please. I didn't list the arrests. well here they are:
State Year Details
AR 1998 A contractor with ACORN-affiliated Project Vote was arrested for falsifying about 400 voter registration cards.
CO 2004 An ACORN employee admitted to forging signatures and registering three of her friends to vote 40 times.
2005 Two ex-ACORN employees were convicted in Denver of perjury for submitting false voter registrations.
FL 2004 A Florida Department of Law Enforcement spokesman said ACORN was “singled out” among suspected voter registration groups for a 2004 wage initiative because it was “the common thread” in the agency’s fraud investigations.
MI 2004 The Detroit Free Press reported that “overzealous or unscrupulous campaign workers in several Michigan counties are under investigation for voter-registration fraud, suspected of attempting to register nonexistent people or forging applications for already-registered voters.” ACORN-affiliate Project Vote was one of two groups suspected of turning in the documents.
MO 2007 Four ACORN employees were indicted in Kansas City for charges including identity theft and filing false registrations during the 2006 election.
2006 Eight ACORN employees in St. Louis were indicted on federal election fraud charges. Each of the eight faces up to five years in prison for forging signatures and submitting false information.
2003 Of 5,379 voter registration cards ACORN submitted in St. Louis, only 2,013 of those appeared to be valid. At least 1,000 are believed to be attempts to register voters illegally.
NC 2004 North Carolina officials investigated ACORN for submitting fake voter registration cards.
NM 2005 Four ACORN employees submitted as many as 3,000 potentially fraudulent signatures on the group’s Albuquerque ballot initiative. A local sheriff added: “It’s safe to say the forgery was widespread.”
2004 An ACORN employee registered a 13-year-old boy to vote. Citing this and other examples, New Mexico State Representative Joe Thompson stated that ACORN was “manufacturing voters” throughout New Mexico.
OH 2007 A man in Reynoldsburg was indicted on two felony counts of illegal voting and false registration, after being registered by ACORN to vote in two separate counties.
2004 A grand jury indicted a Columbus ACORN worker for submitting a false signature and false voter registration form. In Franklin County, two ACORN workers submitted what the director of the board of election supervisors called “blatantly false” forms. In Cuyahoga County, ACORN and its affiliate Project Vote submitted registration cards that had the highest rate of errors for any voter registration group.
MN 2004 During a traffic stop, police found more than 300 voter registration cards in the trunk of a former ACORN employee, who had violated a legal requirements that registration cards be submitted to the Secretary of State within 10 days of being filled out and signed.
PA 2008 An ACORN employee in West Reading, PA, was sentenced to up to 23 months in prison for identity theft and tampering with records. A second ACORN worker pleaded not guilty to the same charges and is free on $10,000 bail.
2004 Reading’s Director of Elections received calls from numerous individuals complaining that ACORN employees deliberately put inaccurate information on their voter registration forms. The Berks County director of elections said voter fraud was “absolutely out of hand,” and added: “Not only do we have unintentional duplication of voter registration but we have blatant duplicate voter registrations.” The Berks County deputy director of elections added that ACORN was under investigation by the Department of Justice.
TX 2004 ACORN turned in the voter registration form of David Young, who told reporters “The signature is not my signature. It’s not even close.” His social security number and date of birth were also incorrect.
VA 2005 In 2005, the Virginia State Board of Elections admonished Project Vote and ACORN for turning in a significant number of faulty voter registrations. An audit revealed that 83% of sampled registrations that were rejected for carrying false or questionable information were submitted by Project Vote. Many of these registrations carried social security numbers that exist for other people, listed non-existent or commercial addresses, or were for convicted felons in violation of state and federal election law.
In a letter to ACORN, the State Board of Elections reported that 56% of the voter registration applications ACORN turned in were ineligible. Further, a full 35% were not submitted in a timely manner, as required by law. The State Board of Elections also commented on what appeared to be evidence of intentional voter fraud. "Additionally,” they wrote, “information appears to have been altered on some applications where information given by the applicant in one color ink has been scratched through and re-entered in another color ink. Any alteration of a voter registration application is a Class 5 Felony in accordance with § 24.2-1009 of the Code of Virginia."
WA 2007 Three ACORN employees pleaded guilty, and four more were charged, in the worst case of voter registration fraud in Washington state history. More than 2,000 fraudulent voter registration cards were submitted by the group during a voter registration drive.
WI 2004 The district attorney’s office investigated seven voter registration applications Project Vote employees filed in the names of people who said the group never contacted them. Former Project Vote employee Robert Marquise Blakely told the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel that he had not met with any of the people whose voter registration applications he signed, “an apparent violation of state law,” according to the paper. | |
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Posted: 10/20/2008 9:00:29 AM | | LOL ....You see as I said .....Denial. Well my suggestion for that would be since they do exist despite your denial of such you could always Google Obamachicagohousing and it comes right up under that heading as well. As for Keating ....McCains ties to Keating were of personal business interest in his mall venture NOT a interest due to taxpayer money, lobbies or earmarks going to someones pocket. As such he had vested interest in the mall and any vacations spent with Keating were in the area of business partnerships. When McCain found out about Keatings fraud he immediately cut all ties to him and disavowed him so not even on the same level or close to the same thing as Obamas direct ties to taxpayer money being funneled and channeled directly to Rezko through the housing projects which by the way are now defunct and Chicago is in the process of trying to figure out how much it is going to cost to tear down the whole thing. | |
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Posted: 10/20/2008 9:29:37 AM | "McCains ties to Keating were of personal business interest in his mall venture "
When did this type of relationship stop being a conflict of interest? When did it become legal? Oh, is that another one of the restrictions that the Republicans removed that got us this lovely ctrises? | |
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Posted: 10/20/2008 9:44:11 AM | | I hate to tell you that it is not a conflict of interest to have a business or be involved with a business while still being a senator. What is a conflict of interest is when your business benefits from your actions as senator which was expressly WHY McCain when he found about about Keatings fraud cut ties to him. I think your understanding of Conflict of Interest is skewed. Nice try at straw man though. That wasnt the subject. | |
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Posted: 10/20/2008 9:49:36 AM | | The higher the voter registration percentage, the lower the IQ of the average voter registered. Democrats are more likely to win when the registration level is high. Does anyone really wonder which party puts the most emphasis on getting out the vote? Especially with the poor, the inexperienced youth, and the uneducated. | |
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Posted: 10/20/2008 2:57:10 PM | MSG 229, 230 Gentlemen do you know the difference between being accused, indicted, arrested, suspected of and being found guilty?
Wow forgive me please. I didn't list the arrests. well here they are
You have not proved that one vote was fraudulent, not one, your list says voter registration fraud. Acorn as I am sure any other group that conducts registration drives must turn in every registration filled out even if they are filled out by goldilocks and the three bears, Acorn flags most of these that are bad.
I went over your list, being accused means nothing, being indicted means nothing when I eliminated all but the cases that ended in a conviction this is what is left, thank you for bringing this to my attention what it proves is that Acorn is doing a great job of overseeing their operation
2005 Two ex-ACORN employees were convicted in Denver of perjury for submitting false voter registrations.
PA 2008 An ACORN employee in West Reading, PA, was sentenced to up to 23 months in prison for identity theft and tampering with records.
That’s 3 Acorn employees over a period of 10 years that where tried and found guilty
Again I will say it when you have nothing try to make some thing out of it, what does Senator Obama have to do with a person in Denver or Pennsylvania that fills out a fraudulent registration card. Did you go to twist, bend and stretch school? YOU have nothing that reflects on Senator Obama so let's talk about some thing real like Senator McCain’s scandalous ties to Lincoln Savings and Loan and Charles Keating tell me how you can vote for McCain after he knowingly with held information for 2 years that could have saved the life savings of many people including senior citizens, this was not a private transaction between Keating and McCain this again involved Lincoln Savings and Loan and again McCain had access to this information for two years and again he choose to allow Keating to continue on for over two years . McCain is a criminal he knew about Keating and what he was doing and used his position to try to protect Keating even as Keating was stealing from people who had worked and saved their whole life
Do you really want to trust McCain is he the one you want to entrust our future, the future of our children and the life savings of your parents to?
I found the video about McCain’s involvement with Keating really disturbing, he participated in covering up for Keating and received what amounted to a slap on the wrist he should not be running for president he should have been removed from office and spent some time writing his memoirs in jail.
http://www.keatingeconomics.com/?source=sem-pm-google&gclid=CPDVsPOitJYCFQSPFQodtkxVLg | |
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Posted: 10/20/2008 3:04:19 PM | What do you Republicans have to say about this?
[AP IMPACT: Mortgage firm arranged stealth campaign
WASHINGTON – Freddie Mac secretly paid a Republican consulting firm $2 million to kill legislation that would have regulated and trimmed the mortgage finance giant and its sister company, Fannie Mae, three years before the government took control to prevent their collapse.
Umm.. what I have to say about it is this: If you think this is evidence of Republican wrongdoing, then you didn't read it, or you don't understand it.
As the story says Freddie Mac paid a "republican consulting firm" to kill a bill that would have further regulated Freddie mac and Fannie Mae. I assume that "republican consulting firm" is one with valuable contacts among republicans.
So, Fannie and Freddie were about to have their wings clipped, and spent your money and mine to prevent it from happening. I'm not sure how you blame this on one party or the other.
One can argue that a Government Sponsored Enterprise like Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac should not be spending money to influence politicians, but it's not clear where to point the fingers for this.
Before you jump to the conclusion that the effort to rein in Freddie and Fannie failed because of some lobbying effort targeted at Republicans, I suggest you look into the leadership of the committees that would have to pass such a bill to get it to the floor for a vote. Not many Republicans there. | |
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Posted: 10/20/2008 3:56:25 PM | Well Tallskier, I did read it, a rather long read and I am having problems with my eyes and found it confusing. What I got from it was that both some Republicans and Democrats wanted to keep Fannie and Freddie from being regulated, but that the Republicans were the main party wanting to stop the bill. Too many fingers in the pot.
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Posted: 10/20/2008 4:01:13 PM |
the Republicans were the main party wanting to stop the bill.
If that was the case, Fannie Mae wouldn't need to hire a lobbying firm, would they? | |
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Posted: 10/20/2008 4:14:52 PM |
You have not proved that one vote was fraudulent, not one, your list says voter registration fraud. Acorn as I am sure any other group that conducts registration drives must turn in every registration filled out even if they are filled out by goldilocks and the three bears, Acorn flags most of these that are bad.
Hopefully the following definition will shed light on what voter/election fraud is.
There seems to be a mistaken thought that to commit Voter /Election Fraud, that those who are illegally registering to vote acxtually have to vote before it becomes fraud and that is not true. All it takes is to knowingly commit an illegal act with the intent to defraud. That includes regisitering people to vote, who are underage, a felon whose rights have not been restored and registering the same voter mulitple times ot even registering illegals, dead people or people who never existed. In the list, people were convicted. People were arrested and indicted. ACorn is the leading perp in the majority of Voter Fraud. They are not going to get away with it.
Electoral fraud is illegal interference with the process of an election. Acts of fraud tend to involve affecting vote counts to bring about a desired election outcome, whether by increasing the vote share of the favored candidate, depressing the vote share of the rival candidates, or both.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_fraud | |
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Posted: 10/20/2008 5:00:32 PM | I'm not even sure any more if you're sincere Ron.
You were asked (not by me) to show where anything ACORN has done has led to a single fraudulent vote being cast.
Of course when you have registration drives you're going to get duplicates, and people who aren't eligible. And that's if it's strictly volunteers. Add a money incentive, and you'll get a lot more from the people doing the registering.
But ACORN flags the ones they think are wrong - because they have to turn ALL cards collected. Even the ridiculous ones. | |
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Posted: 10/20/2008 6:47:37 PM | Try this one on ronjo.
[Jonathan Adler, October 19, 2008 at 9:40pm] Trackbacks
Voter Registration Fraud Arrest:
The LA Times reports:
The owner of a firm that the California Republican Party hired to register tens of thousands of voters this year was arrested in Ontario late last night on suspicion of voter registration fraud.
State and local investigators allege that Mark Jacoby fraudulently registered himself to vote at a childhood California address where he no longer lives so he would appear to meet the legal requirement that signature gatherers be eligible to vote in California.
Jacoby's arrest by state investigators and the Ontario Police Department comes after dozens of voters said they were duped into registering as Republicans by his firm, Young Political Majors, or YPM. The voters said YPM tricked them by saying they were signing a petition to toughen penalties against child molesters.
One thing that confuses me about this story is that the U.S. Court of Appeals struck down Arizona's residency requirements for circulators of candidate nominating petitions this past summer in Nader v. Brewer. So am I wrong in thinking Mr. Jacoby may have fraudulently registered at a California address in order to comply with a law that could not have been enforced against him in the first place? | |
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Posted: 10/20/2008 6:58:02 PM | Msg 239 you are trying now to explain your attempt to paint a picture of massive voter fraud, let me help you Acorn is an organization and is not a registered voter so it can not commit voter fraud, what you are talking about is voter registration fraud if Acorn knowingly participated in acquiring fraudulent registrations they could be indicted, show me an indictment against Acorn and then show me a conviction,
You keep changing course it reminds me of Bush changing his mind about why we are in Iraq
This your definition of electoral/voter fraud read it please and thank you for proving my point
Electoral fraud is illegal interference with the process of an election. Acts of fraud tend to involve affecting vote counts to bring about a desired election outcome, whether by increasing the vote share of the favored candidate, depressing the vote share of the rival candidates, or both.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_fraud
In order for this to be voter fraud a person would have to have voted illegally let me make it easy for you Goldilocks would have to cast a vote and if she was not Goldilocks then she would have committed voter fraud, if she merely registers but does not vote that is registration fraud her registering did not influence voter count
So let’s talk about some thing really important honesty integrity and character, please view this video about McCain’s involvement in covering up the Lincoln Saving’s and Loan Scandal and then try to say McCain honesty integrity and character all in the same sentence, he knowingly let Keating continue to steal the life savings of many people, for two years he knew what Keating was doing and did not try to stop it
I found this video about the congressional hearings held and McCain’s involvement with Keating really disturbing, he participated in covering up for Keating and received what amounted to a slap on the wrist he should not be running for president he should have been removed from office and spent some time writing his memoirs in jail.
http://www.keatingeconomics.com/?source=sem-pm-google&gclid=CPDVsPOitJYCFQSPFQodtkxVLg | |
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Posted: 10/20/2008 8:32:41 PM |
Wow forgive me please. I didn't list the arrests. well here they are:
None of these are actually of votes cast. Thanks for clearing that up. It's a clear case where registry is the issue, and it's in fact ACORN that is being defrauded.
Awwww sorry Ronjo want to try again and actually show a case where this has occurred? I notice you mixed charges based on defrauding ACORN with accusations against ACORN. Almost like you're trying to confuse the issue. | |
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Posted: 10/21/2008 5:16:42 AM | It has been awhile since I have been able to laugh. Thank all of you that have commented on me personally for the comedy relief.
ACORN is an Organization,true. An Organization cannot be arrested as can a person but the people who represent ACORN can be and have been. In my original post
I said that Acorn has commited voter fraud and that representatives of ACORN had been arrested. Deny it all you want, but it is true. That it is an embarassment to Obama is very reasonable. Obama has been embarassed by a lot of things lately.
One thing I do ask of each of you. I have posted sources proving my point. None of you have except one that posted something about a canadien company hired by the Republican party to register voters. I hope the GOP stopped payment on the check because it seems the company hired didn't do its job. In the case of ACORN, Obama and others were passing the funds to them. Instead of personally attacking me on this issue, why don't you all take a little time to find sources to debunk my sources. That would be more in line with the rules in this forum. | |
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Posted: 10/21/2008 12:59:14 PM | I'll try one more time, this time I'll relate a personal experience:
In my province, we can recall our elected representative. It's not easy though - you have to get signatures from 40% of the registered voters in the riding in 6 weeks (I think).
Anyway, the ruling party here really pissed the people off here. So a recall effort was mounted, and I volunteered. We hit the doors and stood outside stores, canvassed the entire riding - and ended up with more than we needed by a substantial margin.
Then we turned the petitions in and they were scrutinized. Seems a lot of people signed more than once; many signed who weren't eligible. In the end, we came up about 30% short.
Now this is strictly volunteers; nobody was paid; we all knew the petitions would be entered into the database and gone over closely so there was absolutely no incentive to get duplicate or ineligible signatures. And 40% of those signatures were ineligible or duplicates.
Until you've done it, don't think that imperfect results are the work of nefarious plotters. Some are going to register more than once because they don't know; some workers are going to be lazy and just write names in themselves. And even with perfect motivations, you're going to get a 40% failure rate. | |
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Posted: 10/21/2008 1:12:18 PM |
Until you've done it, don't think that imperfect results are the work of nefarious plotters.
Nefarious plotters? I guess not. Perhaps they were just too stupid to know that Mickey Mouse can't vote. Or just too stupid to realize that ten registration cards bearing the same name, the same handwriting, but 10 different addresses, would be detected as fraudulent. | |
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Posted: 10/21/2008 1:20:27 PM | Again.
If a worker turns in cards that ACORN knows are wrong, they still have to give them to the electoral board. And they flag those cards so the board can eliminate them easily. | |
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Posted: 10/21/2008 3:56:45 PM | Ronjo you silly thing. That is Ontario CALIFORNIA!!!! Not Ontario Canada. | |
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Posted: 10/21/2008 8:17:55 PM | "None of these are actually of votes cast. Thanks for clearing that up. It's a clear case where registry is the issue, and it's in fact ACORN that is being defrauded.
Awwww sorry Ronjo want to try again and actually show a case where this has occurred? I notice you mixed charges based on defrauding ACORN with accusations against ACORN. Almost like you're trying to confuse the issue."
This argument reminds me of the guy who was arrested for armed robbery who said "I didn't kill anybody so they ought to let me go"
The voter registration fraud is an attempt to overwhelm the system.If you give thousands of registration cards to an all volunteer election board that works part-time and then as in Ohio you have the Sec. of State completely block that same board from confirming the same registrations.Follow these links to see actual Voting fraud.In the last link the perpetrators are self-proclaimed Democrats.By the way they have bragged about voting in Ohio.
www.newsbusters.org/blogs/warner-todd-huston/2007/11/06/2-convicted-vote-fraud-ohio-no-mention-theyre-democrats - 69k -
michellemalkin.com/2008/10/.../voter-fraud-alert-houseful-of-out-of-state-obama-activists-registered-as-ohio-voters-received-absentee-b... | |
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Posted: 10/21/2008 10:52:47 PM | You know i find it interesting that no one sees this as wrong. Some of you sit and are defending ACORN for its actions and blame it on those who work for it. I understand what your saying, but dont you find it wrong that all these false registration forms are coming in? I am sure that some of you may even support ACORN financially. Doesnt it bother you that they seem to have a problem paying people to cheat them?
I think both sides should be upset by this. WE need our elections to be legal and above board. No one wants the taint of election rigging or voter fraud around the neck of their party or their nomination. I think there should be an investigation into both ACORN and the republican group that was listed. I think that if the companies are in any way responsible they should be fined big. And if they were simply stupid and let it happen, they should be no longer allowed to register anyone. Make people actually get out and register themselves. Problem solved. | |
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Posted: 10/21/2008 11:36:24 PM |
Make people actually get out and register themselves. Problem solved.
But then they'd apparently never show up, according to many on here. Maybe it's not that important to them (the potential voter, that is) unless a six pack is involved. Because unless they are disabled, if they really want to vote, they'll find a way to. There should be a group that helps the disabled & otherwise unable register (without influence on which party to register with) if they wish to register, but this going out and bribing and otherwise influencing those with no real interest is a bunch of crap. But then again, most will probably never show at the polls anyway. More money well spent.
I don't think either party really cares about an honest election. They want their guy in at any cost. One party can afford a much bigger cost this year because they failed to keep promises they made. And I'm sure that will be the first of many unkept promises should that parties' candidate get elected. | |
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Go back and read my post #200 and harlie's post #241. That's voter registration fraud....Republican style!
