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| election '08 Posted: 10/14/2008 2:56:18 PM |
Give me strength! And Al Gore would have sorted all this out? Get real.
Neither Al Gore nor pretty much anyone else as President would have invaded Iraq, for starters, which is probably the single biggest debacle in a Bush regime overflowing with them.
Your dismissal of science and the scientific method by rejecting the concept of anthropogenic climate change pretty well demonstrates your reasoning ability. At least you acknowledge the human impact on the ozone layer. Apparently releasing hundreds of thousands of years worth of CO2 into the atmosphere doesn't ring any alarm bells for you. Fortunately, it does for scientists and policy makers all over the world.
I always strive to vote FOR someone, not against someone, but I defy anyone to offer an example of a more divisive, destructive, ineffective president who has ever done anywhere near as much damage to this country as Bush has. I'd have voted for Charles Manson over Bush. I honestly can't imagine any way he could have done worse, short of pushing the nuclear button. We've lost all respect in the world, our economy has tanked, we're twice as deep as debt as when he started, he's created many times more terrorists opposing us than there were when he started, our military is overstretched, our education system continues to fail us, we trail most of the rest of the civilized world in virtually all quality of life indicators, and we refuse to acknowledge our responsibility as the world's largest consumer and polluter to start cleaning up our act.
I'm certainly an Obama fan, but no matter what we'll have a much better president the next time around. Of this I have no doubt.
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| election '08 Posted: 10/15/2008 5:37:46 AM | | Not an Obama fan. Would never vote for a racist. He is extremely racist and has his own hidden agenda. | |
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| election '08 Posted: 10/15/2008 7:13:57 AM | Not an Obama fan. Would never vote for a racist. He is extremely racist and has his own hidden agenda.
If by racist you mean he hates other black people - then "maybe."
He talks white, acts white, dresses white, walks white - condemns any relationship he has with the black community, and I could go on. He plays the white man's game.
A lot of people also forget Obama is half-white himself. People don't tend to be racist towards people of their own heritage. You also seem to forget he was raised by his mother - whom of which was (omg) white. | |
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| election '08 Posted: 10/15/2008 8:35:09 AM |
Would never vote for a racist. He is extremely racist and has his own hidden agenda.
I hear this occasionally and wondered where it came from, so I googled "Obama, racist" and the first hit was a Sean Hannity video. Not someone I pay any heed to, but I guess there are those who do.
I see Obama as a uniter, not a divider. He pushes that theme constantly. I see no hidden agenda, but if it WERE hidden, how would you know it was there?
Again and again I've seen Obama demonstrate a rational, intelligent approach to leadership, utilizing input from all perspectives to for short term strategies consistent with a long term vision I relate strongly to.
I'd never presume to be presidential material, but if I were running, I'd sound a lot like Obama does. He's got my vote.
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| election '08 Posted: 10/15/2008 10:14:03 AM | Starting to look like ACORN is going to cause Obama some real problems. It's sad to think ACORN has not only tainted free elections but has also played such a major part in the economic meltdown we face as a nation. Looks like ACORN might face a RICO lawsuit in Ohio.
This has a good chance of costing Obama the election...too bad. | |
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| election '08 Posted: 10/15/2008 10:20:54 AM | | My vote is with Obama! I really think he is what we need! | |
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| election '08 Posted: 10/15/2008 10:45:58 AM | I googled OBAMA's racist friends and came up with a page full..
The Obama defenders are complaining that William Ayers’ radical bombings in the late 1960s and early 1970s are dismissible as "old news." They declare Obama's associations to be "irrelevant." (Somehow I'm prompted to wonder what they'd say if McCain were a friend of a 1940s Nazi prison camp guard.) Yet Obama's associations are relevant, as they are in fact current news, and they speak to his judgment, character and to his political proclivities and inclinations. And we can never forget that a man is known by the company he keeps. Here is a brief accounting of over a dozen of Obama’s long-time colleagues, associates and friends. Khalid al-Mansour: the anti-Semite Black Nationalist racist who changed his name from Don Marshall and converted to Islam, was a patron of Obama’s and helped advance Obama’s candidacy to law school. He was instrumental in starting the violent Black Panthers group, became Kind Saud’s attorney and represents OPEC. No wonder Obama doesn't want to drill anywhere, although he changed that tune in last Tuesday's debate in an apparent attempt to drill for votes. As an article in FrontPageMag.com reported, “And why is it that black racists such as al-Mansour constitute a significant proportion of these hate mongers? In large part, it is because blacks have been specifically and aggressively targeted for recruitment by leaders of the worldwide jihad, just as they were targeted for recruitment by the Communist Party USA in the 1920s. Black grievance, combined with the evangelism of the Nation of Islam over the last seventy years, has established an audience for the ideology of hate.” It is notable that Khalid al-Mansour is an advisor and friend to Prince al-Walid bin Talal, the Saudi sheik to whom Mayor Rudy Giuliani returned a $10 million check right after 9/11 because bin Talal stated that America brought the bloodthirsty attack on itself due to our foreign policy. Rashid Khalidi: an enthusiastic supporter of the Palestinians, fervent critic of Israel (which he calls a destructive “racist” state), an admirer of suicide bombers and a driving force behind the Arab American Action Network (AAAN). This so-called pro-Palestinian “community organization” in Chicago is another beneficiary of the Obama-Ayers team at the Woods Fund. It promotes an agenda that would horrify Obama’s Jewish supporters and any normal person. In fact, both Sen. Obama and Mr. Ayers actually spoke at a testimonial dinner for Rashid Khalidi. According to Jack Kelly in the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, “ ‘Khalidi and Obama lived in nearby faculty residential zones and the two families dined together a number of times,’ a source on the University of Chicago faculty told WorldNet Daily. ‘The Obamas even babysat the Khalidi children.’ ” Ingrid Mattson: President of the troubling Islamic Society of North America, a group named as an unindicted co-conspirator in the Holy Land Foundation terrorist trial, and a woman whom Obama invited to lead prayer at the Democrat Convention, which she did. Frank Marshall Davis: another of Obama's mentors mentioned in his book, a well-known Stalinist Communist whose devotion to the Soviet Union and hatred for an America which he described as racist and imperialistic put him under FBI surveillance for at least 19 years. It is quite possible that Davis did more to shape Obama’s world view than many in his entourage. Tony Rezko: convicted felon of fraud and shady dealings, he and Obama were very close. Rezko helped get Obama a sweetheart mortgage, and he bundled tons of money for Obama’s campaign. Rezko bought property (under another sweetheart deal) to be Obama's neighbor. As of today, it appears Rezko is willing to talk to reduce his sentence. William Ayers: Ayers is still today (this is not an “old news” story) an unrepentant terrorist. He was quoted (coincidentally on September 11, 2001, in the New York Times) as being proud and unapologetic for the bombings of the Pentagon, the Capitol and the New York City Police where several police officers were murdered as a result. In fact, he stated that his only regret was that they hadn't done more. For a smug thug like this, Sen. Obama – unbelievably – did the favor of writing a dust-jacket blurb forMr. Ayers' 2001 book, "Fugitive Days". Ayers and Obama served on the board of the Annenberg Foundation together, overseeing the expenditure of tens of millions of dollars. Currently, or rather, inexplicably, all the related records remain "unavailable." Interestingly, the Annenberg Foundation runs the "Factcheck.org" site that Obama uses as his only source of "facts" on his "fight the smears" website. Why or how factcheck.org is given any mainstream media credibility as a fact source is laughable. The mainstream press should be ashamed of itself for using them. Saved from jail, unfortunately, by legal technicalities, Ayers is married to Bernardine Dohrn, another Weathermen terrorist once on the FBI’s Ten Most Wanted List, who did serve time for refusing to testify about the death of other Weathermen when a bomb they were building blew up prematurely. J. Edgar Hoover called her ''the most dangerous woman in America'' and ''la Pasionara of the Lunatic Left.'' Bernardine Dohrn, who in the 80’s worked at the same time with Michelle Obama for the Chicago law firm Sidley Austin,was also a fan of Charles Manson: At a 1969 "War Council" in Flint, Michigan, Dohrn gave her most memorable and notorious speech to her followers. Holding her fingers in what became the Weatherman "fork salute," she said of the bloody murders recently committed by the Manson Family in which the pregnant actress Sharon Tate and a Folgers Coffee heiress and several other inhabitants of a Benedict Canyon mansion were brutally stabbed to death: "Dig it! First they killed those pigs, then they ate dinner in the same room with them. They even shoved a fork into the victim's stomach! Wild!" The "War Council" ended with a formal declaration of war against "AmeriKKKa," always spelled with three K's to signify the United States' allegedly ineradicable white racism. ACORN: An organization so fraught with voter fraud they should be closed down and indicted under RICO. Where you're never too dead to vote twice. Ever wonder what a "community organizer" is? Think ACORN. For whom was Obama a "constitutional lawyer"? ACORN. Currently, numerous ACORN offices are being raided by the FBI and investigated for ongoing and major voter fraud. Fannie/Freddie: Obama was the number two campaign contribution recipient from Freddie and Fannie execs, behind Banking Committee Chairman Chris Dodd. And bear in mind, those are numbers compiled over nine years. Obama has been a senator only for four of those years and raked in almost as much dough as Dodd did in all nine years. Franklin Raines/Jim Johnson: Former heads of Fannie Mae, both men were removed for impropriety. Both made tens of millions of dollars from their time at the helm, helping to pilot the economy onto the rocks. Are there two people more responsible for the current economic mess? Besides Barney Frank and Chris Dodd, they may have had more to do with creating the problem than anyone else... and they're in Obama's inner circle giving economic advice; Jim Johnson was actually chosen to vet Obama's VP Pick. Rev. Wright and Father Pfleger: radical, fervently anti-American, and anti-Semitic. The Rev. Louis Farrakhan, also an anti-Semite and black racist, was recently honored by Rev. Wright for “Lifetime Achievement”. And Obama called them mentors, friends and/or spiritual advisors. What did he learn from them over the decades of their association? And why did he not reject their views until it was politically expedient for him to do so? Michelle Obama: Mrs. Obama seems to hold radical separatist views consistent with a 20-year attendance and tutelage under Rev. Wright. Her college thesis was on assimilation vs. "the black culture,” and she was openly dismayed that so many blacks were choosing to assimilate into the American melting-pot culture. She also stated on the campaign trail that for the first time in her adult life she was proud of her country. This, from a possible First Lady of the land. From anti-American at best, to virulently anti-American and criminal anti-American at worst, this is the rag-tag crowd with whom Obama has chosen to build his career and personal relationships for the past few decades. That such a person – and crowd - could end up holding the fate and deepest secrets of our most precious jewel, America, in their hands – as well as all our futures - is deeply troubling, to say the least, and it would be an unspeakable tragedy if it were to transpire. | |
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| election '08 Posted: 10/15/2008 11:08:31 AM | | Ignoring lies about him (such as the many on this forum), and looking at what he is really about, I am starting to genuinely like Obama. Maybe this time, I will feel like I am voting FOR someone, instead of merely against the Republicans. | |
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| election '08 Posted: 10/15/2008 11:13:04 AM | whistlingdixie on 10/9/2008 11 27 AM Subject: election '08 Message: We’re ready to play offense for organized labor. It’s time we had a president who didn’t choke saying the word ‘union.’ A president who strengthens our unions by letting them do what they do best: organize our workers. . . . I will make it the law of the land when I’m president of the United States. . . . ” ~ Barack Ob
If Obama is elected president, get ready for a unionized America and the end of the worker's right to a secret ballot.
This wil back up your statement
http://www.usawakeup.org/USSA.htm | |
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| election '08 Posted: 10/15/2008 11:13:22 AM | | Ignor the truth about him (such as the many on this forum) don't look at what he really is about. ACORN and his nefarious friends have our best interest at heart. For the first time I am voting for something other than just merely against Obama. I got an idea...let's elect someone who is tied to most everything that's wrong with this country...let's just vote for Obama...he fits the ticket! | |
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| election '08 Posted: 10/15/2008 11:29:19 AM | Since McCain seems to be for the rich and most Americans aren't rich it boggles my mind why so many poor would vote for him.... are they blind ? Stupid ? Hmm, lets look at a portion of the OP's post :
" i mean, what does people see in him?? "
... not exactly the best grammar... at least he didn't say " sees " ... or maybe he forgot ?
I wish I could vote !
Good luck US and A ! ( as Borat would say ) | |
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| election '08 Posted: 10/15/2008 11:52:39 AM | They BOTH voted for the horrendous so-called "bailout bill." They're BOTH god-awful, lying, PORK BARREL politicians with more money than you'll probably ever see in your life.
So keep up the petty little argument over how/why Coke is better than Pepsi or vice-versa. It's still cola. While you debate which lesser evil you will vote for, remember that a vote for the lesser evil is still a vote for evil.
Yeah, maybe it'll be different this time, right? Until people quit throwing away their votes on Republicans and Democrats we're going to keep eating the same $hit sandwich, only the bread changes. | |
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| election '08 Posted: 10/15/2008 12:56:39 PM | | wvwaterfall: It comes from being a man who sat in a church for 20-years listening to racist hate messages from preachers. If he did not believe what was being said by the likes of Rev. Wright, then he would have got up and walked out 20-years ago. He only distanced himself from his church while running for president because it made him look bad. If I was in a church and the preacher started talking like that about anybody on this earth, I would have got up and walked out and never looked back. Not Obama, he sat there for 20-years letting it sink in real deep. Obama is a stranger to us. What comes out of his mouth is not what is in his heart. | |
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| election '08 Posted: 10/15/2008 1:03:50 PM | | odddandy: I fully agree with you. | |
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| election '08 Posted: 10/15/2008 1:05:58 PM | Odd andy for once I will agree with you. McCain is not the best choice to have to choose from, but by comparison, he is by far the most open candidate concerning his past and where he comes from. He doesnt seem to be hiding things like his opponent is.
1. Occidental College records — Not released 2. Columbia College records — Not released 3. Columbia Thesis paper — ‘not available’ 4. Harvard College records — Not released 5. Selective Service Registration — Not released 6. Medical records — Not released 7. Illinois State Senate schedule — ‘not available’ 8. Law practice client list — Not released 9. Certified Copy of original Birth certificate — Not released 10. Embossed, signed paper Certification of Live Birth — Not released 11. Harvard Law Review articles published � ...
Who else do we have running for office? You tell me who I can cast my vote for that will not lie or steal or cheat in office and he/she will get my vote. | |
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| election '08 Posted: 10/15/2008 1:09:27 PM |
It comes from being a man who sat in a church for 20-years
So you haven't actually heard him say or see him do anything racist. His pastor has said things you find racist (although not in any sermon Obama was present for - please correct me if I'm mistaken on that count) so therefore he must be. Well, that's one way to decide who to vote for.
Personally, I listen to the man himself. And I look at his platform. I watch how he has organized his campaign, how consistently he's stuck to his vision, how he's responded to smears against him, how often he compliments McCain and identifies areas of agreement they have, and honestly, I was influenced to some degreee by my parents telling me about how he handled himself at a house party in NH they attended. They went in skeptics, came out supporters.
We each come to our decisions our own way. I've found no evidence to support racism charges against him, and plenty of evidence to support voting for him based on my criteria.
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| election '08 Posted: 10/15/2008 1:17:06 PM | I like that, Andy. I like that a lot!
About ACORN - I thought Obama was a little TOO standoffish and seemingly unconcerned when McCain suggested they put the debate on hold to attend the Big Bailout barrel party. Once the revelation that ACORN was about to be a BIG beneficiary of bailout money, the reason for Obama's puzzling behavior became crystal clear. But unfortunately just to a very few. He knew what was in there and didn't want to appear affiliated with it at that point.
Question: If a candidate speaking in "mixed racial company" always uses broad, sweeping, decidedly unspecific platform terms, but in more restricted company outlines exactly what and how he plans to do things - FOR THEM. Apparently not for the broader public...Once back in public, he does not mention these promises. Is this then a biased candidate? It doesn't matter what ties the smaller group -race, religion, economics, social status, etc.
"He's so full of **it, his eyes are brown!"... Here's another thing - I always look at peoples' eyes - I leave others to be entranced by voice or dress or - cologne for that matter. When I look deep into Obama's eyes, I see emptiness. Despite a well-practiced smile, I don't see warmth or genuine caring. I just see cold emptiness. Like looking into the soul-less eyes of sharks. But of course, as Obama is a lawyer, that's probably to be expected.
Bush's eyes conveyed that he was full of secrets and mischief that you'll never be privvy to...because you don't matter. Clinton's eyes looked like he just wanted to get official things over with and get back to enjoying the position. Bush I's eyes were like those of a country preacher about to administer corporal punishment for your own good - whether you actually did anything or not. | |
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| election '08 Posted: 10/15/2008 1:39:20 PM | msg 104
From Dreams of My Father: 'I ceased to advertise my mother's race at the age of 12 or 13, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites.'
From Dreams of My Father : "I found a solace in nursing a pervasive sense of grievance and animosity against my mother's race.'
From Dreams of My Father: 'There was something about him that made me wary, a little too sure of himself, maybe. And white.'
From Dreams of My Father: 'It remained necessary to prove which side you were on, to show your loyalty to the black masses, to strike out and name names.'
From Dreams of My Father: 'I never emulate white men and brown men whose fates didn't speak to my own. It was into my father's image, the black man, son of Africa , that I'd packed all the attributes I sought in myself , the attributes of Martin and Malcolm, DuBois and Mandela.'
From Audacity of Hope: 'I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.'
Uninterested, thanks for the snopes link. However, some of these people posting bogus chain letters and smears remind me of those ACORN employees who submitted bogus voter registrations.
Here are the actual quotes again.....
Bogus/Misleading e-mail: From Dreams of My Father: "I ceased to advertise my mother's race at the age of 12 or 13, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites."
Actual quote from "Dreams from My Father" [pg. xv]: When people who don't know me well, black or white, discover my background (and it is usually a discovery, for I ceased to advertise my mother's race at the age of twelve or thirteen, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites), I see the split-second adjustments they have to make, the searching of my eyes for some telltale sign. They no longer know who I am. Privately, they guess at my troubled heart, I suppose - the mixed blood, the divided soul, the ghostly image of the tragic mulatto trapped between two worlds. And if I were to explain that no, the tragedy is not mine, or at least not mine alone, it is yours, sons and daughters of Plymouth Rock and Ellis Island, it is yours, children of Africa, it is the tragedy of both my wife's six-year-old cousin and his white first grade classmates, so that you need not guess at what troubles me, it's on the nightly news for all to see, and that if we could acknowledge at least that much then the tragic cycle begins to break down...well, I suspect that I sound incurably naive, wedded to lost hopes, like those Communists who peddle their newspapers on the fringes of various college towns. Or worse, I sound like I'm trying to hide from myself.
Bogus/Misleading e-mail: From Dreams of My Father : "I found a solace in nursing a pervasive sense of grievance and animosity against my mother's race."
Actual quote from "Dreams from My Father": Nothing like this quote appears in Obama's books.
Bogus/Misleading e-mail: From Dreams of My Father: "There was something about him that made me wary, a little too sure of himself, maybe. And white."
Actual quote from "Dreams from My Father" [pgs. 141-142]: Now he was trying to pull urban blacks and suburban whites together around a plan to save manufacturing jobs in metropolitan Chicago. He needed somebody to work with him, he said. Somebody black. ...
He offered to start me off at ten thousand dollars the first year, with a two-thousand-dollar travel allowance to buy a car; the salary would go up if things worked out. After he was gone, I took the long way home, along the East River promenade, and tried to figure out what to make of the man. He was smart, I decided. He seemed committed to his work. Still, there was something about him that made me wary. A little too sure of himself, maybe. And white - he'd said himself that that was a problem.
Bogus/Misleading e-mail: From Dreams of My Father : ; "It remained necessary to prove which side you were on, to show your loyalty to the black masses, to strike out and name names."
Actual quote from "Dreams from My Father" [pg. 100-101]: To avoid being mistaken for a sellout, I chose my friends carefully. The more politically active black students. The foreign students. The Chicanos. The Marxist professors and structural feminists and punk-rock performance poets. We smoked cigarettes and wore leather jackets. At night, in the dorms, we discussed necolonialism, Franz Fanon, Eurocentrism, and patriarchy. When we ground out our cigarettes in the hallway carpet or set our stereos so loud that the walls began to shake, we were resisting bourgeois society's stifling constraints. We weren't indifferent or careless or insecure. We were alienated. But this strategy alone couldn't provide the distance I wanted, from Joyce or my past. After all, there were thousands of so-called campus radicals, most of them white and tenured and happily tolerated. No, it remained necessary to prove which side you were on, to show your loyalty to the black masses, to strike out and name names.
Bogus/Misleading e-mail: From Dreams of My Father: "I never emulate white men and brown men whose fates didn't speak to my own. It was into my father's image, the black man, son of Africa, that I'd packed all the attributes I sought in myself, the attributes of Martin and Malcolm, Dubois and Mandela."
Actual quote from "Dreams from My Father" [pg. 220]: Yes, I'd seen weakness in other men - Gramps and his disappointments, Lolo and his compromise. But these men had become object lessons for me, men I might love but never emulate, white men and brown men whose fates didn't speak to my own. It was into my father's image, the black man, son of Africa, that I'd packed all the attributes I sought in myself, the attributes of Martin and Malcolm, DuBois and Mandela. And if later I saw that the black men I knew - Frank or Ray or Will or Rafiq - fell short of such lofty standards; if I had learned to respect these men for the struggles they went through, recognizing them as my own - my father's voice had nevertheless remained untainted, inspiring, rebuking, granting or withholding approval. You do not work hard enough, Barry. You must help in your people's struggle. Wake up, black man!
Bogus/Misleading e-mail: From Audacity of Hope: "I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction."
Actual quote from "The Audacity of Hope" [pg. 261]: Of course, not all my conversations in immigrant communities follow this easy pattern. In the wake of 9/11, my meetings with Arab and Pakistani Americans, for example, have a more urgent quality, for the stories of detentions and FBI questioning and hard stares from neighbors have shaken their sense of security and belonging. They have been reminded that the history of immigration in this country has a dark underbelly; they need specific assurances that their citizenship really means something, that America has learned the right lessons from the Japanese internments during World War II, and that I will stand with them should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.
http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/did_obama_write_that_he_would_stand.html
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| election '08 Posted: 10/15/2008 1:42:57 PM |
Here's another thing - I always look at peoples' eyes - I leave others to be entranced by voice or dress or - cologne for that matter. When I look deep into Obama's eyes, I see emptiness. Despite a well-practiced smile, I don't see warmth or genuine caring. I just see cold emptiness. Like looking into the soul-less eyes of sharks. But of course, as Obama is a lawyer, that's probably to be expected.
Bush's eyes conveyed that he was full of secrets and mischief that you'll never be privvy to...because you don't matter. Clinton's eyes looked like he just wanted to get official things over with and get back to enjoying the position. Bush I's eyes were like those of a country preacher about to administer corporal punishment for your own good - whether you actually did anything or not.
Wow, I'm impressed. You seem to have this whole looking-into-another's-eyes thingy down to a science. Good for you. It's refreshing to hear that some people base their decisions on logic. I'm also impressed that you have managed to get so much face-to face time with all these presidents that you have managed to look them in the eyes and pierce their very souls. I've wandered the earth for 42 years now and haven't even managed to meet a single president in person. You'll have to tell me how you manage this, perhaps with some tips I'll be able to meet famous people, look them in the eyes, and base all my decisions on these experiences. Kudos to you, and thanks for sharing the information you have gleaned from this valuable new science. | |
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| election '08 Posted: 10/15/2008 1:43:09 PM |
Who else do we have running for office? You tell me who I can cast my vote for that will not lie or steal or cheat in office and he/she will get my vote.
Ron Paul. Research his record. You'll have to write him in as he chooses to remain a Republican (God knows why,) but he's the only congressman that consistently votes against anything not specifically authorized in the Constitution.
I'm tempted to vote Bob Barr JUST so it gets counted as a vote for the Libertarian party, but in all honesty he lost my respect with a lot of his votes over the years, and I'm amazed the LP gave him the nomination. The Constitution party will no doubt be on the ballot in your state. I haven't bothered seeing who it is, though. My vote will probably go to Ron Paul. The only incumbent/major party candidate that's getting my vote is my congressman, Jimmy Duncan, who is a Republican but who (usually) stands by the old-school principles of free markets and small government. He voted against the "bailout," and for that he gets my support. I actually got to meet him at a function last night and was really heartened to hear a congressmen stressing that socialism is not the answer to our current economic woes (many of which are due to big government interference in the markets to begin with.)
I've seen more people wake up this year than in my entire adult life, so quite frankly, I think the message of a protest vote is a great thing this year. Face it, no matter which one of the 2 main bozos wins, things are going to SUCK SUCK SUCK for at least the next 4 years. Please once again reference the death of America as we know it and that BOTH lying **stards from the major parties voted for it. Don't let the coming years of pain be in vain, send a message to the losing party that they need to get back to basics or GTFO. John "I won't vote for a bailout that contains pork" McCain is going to be just as dishonest and fiscally liberal as the Obama, just in different areas.
I note also that you are a Christian. Take some time to read and ponder 1st Samuel Chapter 8, specifically what God says to Samuel about the Hebrews rejecting Him as their leader by asking for an earthly ruler. Keep that in mind as you find yourself tempted to pull the lever for a big-government bureaucrat.
Just my opinions.
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| election '08 Posted: 10/15/2008 2:01:19 PM | Some of you are as misinformed as the lady at the McCain rally who said she had READ about Obama and he is an ARAB. Where do you people get this stuff from? I once had some KKK literature and it basically said that we should FEAR the blacks and keep them oppressed. Some of you sound the same way with your predictions of how an Obama Administrion would go.
Wake up and smell a credible source when you invent America's future. Fearmongers.
To all the Republicans: Sorry about your loss. It won't be as painful or scary as you think it is. If you are skeered, then go hide in your bomb shelter and wait four years until you realize how naive you are being. | |
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| election '08 Posted: 10/15/2008 2:20:14 PM | "Here are the actual quotes again....."
When I read the feed back from my earlier post, I was going to apologize for using them, but after reading the accurate ones, I realized there isn't a dimes worth of difference in what he actually said and what was posted, so I didnt bother to waste my time or energy doing so.
Andy, voting for Ron Paul will not help in this election, sorry. As a Christian, I will vote for the lesser of two evils, John McCain, who I disagree with at times, yes. But Obama scares me with his racial hating anything white, wife and friends. Look who his associates are, please.
Hmm, lets see. The four men that have had the most influence on his value system, the four men that shape his ideas and foreign policy are 1. the Dishonorable Louis Farrakhan,a very strong hater of Jews and Israel 2. The Rev. Jeremiah Wright, seen on numerous video tapes swearing at Jews and Israel, 3. Jessee Jackson, no lover of the jewish people and Israel, but he spills the beans on Obama's plans to betray Israel immediately, 4. The domestic terrorist William Ayers, another hater of Jews. Wow if I was Jewish and traditionally voted for Democrats I would be running for my bunker and hiding right about now. NOBAMA, NO Way. | |
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| election '08 Posted: 10/15/2008 2:21:11 PM | If you are skeered, then go hide in your bomb shelter and wait four years until you realize how naive you are being.
I prefer to just call it an "underground bunker," as it's more about waiting out the mobs of starving neighbors than any real concern about bombs dropping here. 
Andy, voting for Ron Paul will not help in this election, sorry.
My friend, what literally depresses me more than anything these days is the fact that so many folks who's heads are leaning in the right direction (as opposed to the left direction :wink:) don't realize that voting for John McCain isn't going to help, either.
...and thus we who are cursed to live in a "democracy" are just as doomed as those who live in more overt dictatorships.
As a Christian, I will vote for the lesser of two evils
Think about that. I mean REALLY think about that. A Christian vote for evil. Nice.
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| election '08 Posted: 10/15/2008 2:28:08 PM |
Here's another thing - I always look at peoples' eyes - I leave others to be entranced by voice or dress or - cologne for that matter. When I look deep into Obama's eyes, I see emptiness. Despite a well-practiced smile, I don't see warmth or genuine caring. I just see cold emptiness. Like looking into the soul-less eyes of sharks. Wantsasmart1, it may be time to get your vision checked. I seem to recall you having a problem seeing the seal and signatures on Obama's HI birth certificate too.
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When I read the feed back from my earlier post, I was going to apologize for using them, but after reading the accurate ones, I realized there isn't a dimes worth of difference in what he actually said and what was posted, so I didnt bother to waste my time or energy doing so.
The difference is that what you quoted was a smear email chain letter that you simply copied and posted without verifying the contents. This email chain letter has been circulating for months, and had already been shown to be untrue. So my question is..as a christian, why would you want to continue spreading lies?
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| election '08 Posted: 10/15/2008 2:34:11 PM |
Wow, I'm impressed. You seem to have this whole looking-into-another's-eyes thingy down to a science. Good for you. It's refreshing to hear that some people base their decisions on logic. I'm also impressed that you have managed to get so much face-to face time with all these presidents that you have managed to look them in the eyes and pierce their very souls. I've wandered the earth for 42 years now and haven't even managed to meet a single president in person. You'll have to tell me how you manage this, perhaps with some tips I'll be able to meet famous people, look them in the eyes, and base all my decisions on these experiences. Kudos to you, and thanks for sharing the information you have gleaned from this valuable new science.
As sarcastic as your post may have been intended, there is indeed a LOT of logic employed. The point you miss is that I base this upon not just looking at footage of political candidates, but the facial revelations and other body language of thousands of people face-to-face in helping to determine what their true motives are. Many times this has involved standing within a foot of someone, and predicting what their next actions will be - fight or flight. Lying or telling the truth. In official lingo it's been termed "furtive movement". In research circles it's called nonverbal communication.
I don't just look at the perfected application of pancake makeup and eyeliner for the cameras, nor the forced smiles and faked interest in what an opponent or constituent is saying to them. Vocalization and voice stress also enters into this evaluation. I can't tell you how to do this - because it's based on experience, theory, and final outcome to confirm the theory - often in the space of a few seconds. Maybe look into it sometime. It's one way crimes both major and minor are solved. I've tried to teach co-workers, but they just wanted a Reader's Digest version. It's not something you learn from watching a couple of You Tube submissions or reading a couple of Internet posts.
Or - you could just ask some of the women on PoF how reliable they think these techniques are. If you find it impossible to do, it may just be that you're spending too much time looking at entirely the wrong body features and hearing/seeing the signals folks want you to hear, instead of what really underlies them.
Here's something to get you started in understanding - IF you are serious: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-verbal_communication http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facial_expression http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voice_stress_analysis As always, I would take anything on Wikipedia with a grain of salt without indepedent confirmation. | |
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