| Life on Other Planets? YES????
Posted: 10/23/2008 10:13:18 PM | We are actually quite familiar with anaerobic bacteria - most dental infections are caused by anaerobes, and they live quite abundantly in our GI tracts. Tetanus is also an anaerobe, and we are regularly plaqued by infestations of yeast as well.
I don't think that this discovery is any more or less indicative of life on other planets than are tetanus or yeast.
What would be most interesting would be a discovery of a life form that is based on methane instead of carbon, as many planets have a methane environment, which are not habitable places for carbon-based life to develop.
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| Life on Other Planets? YES????
Posted: 10/24/2008 7:31:11 PM | | hi.. if you study the history of the bible, this alone would be all the proof of Its Divinity that you needed.. It was boiled, burned, buried and baked yet It is still here... another amazing fact about the bible is that sincere seekers all over the globe know without doubt that it is the Holy Spirit in the writers that pen the Words of God... God did leave a Manual for sincere seekers and it is the Holy Spirit that discerns and interprets Gods Words, not man.. God is not the one who plays head games, in fact He clears the headgames and smoke screens from life so that we can see the Path to Eternal Life... yes , you have a right to be angry but you are directing it at the wrong being.. God is Our Father who only does Rightly, negative forces are laying down the lies and the choices that tempt us away from the Truth that makes us free... knowing that The Most Powerful Being in existence is also The Most Loving is most definitely a Truth that makes me free..... I encourage you to read 3 fascinating books that will show you that God has not stood by and let people worship wrongly , in fact God has lovingly called His people out of false worship ever since Adam and Eve worshipped the taste of a fruit more than they worshipped God and His Law that Governes all existence...God wants us with Him in Eternity.... just as a point of reference, God has always sent a warning before destruction because His True Worshippers know His Voice and listen...so it will be in the last days... these are the 3 books mentioned ... the books are best when read in this order.. Patriarchs and Prophets, Prophets and Kings and Acts of The Apostles by Ellen G White... like any book, when the bible is read cover to cover it gives the best picture of plots, themes and characters... warmly Mona | |
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| Life on Other Planets? YES????
Posted: 10/25/2008 3:02:14 PM | Ameerra—
Good read--- don't you just love the simple things in life..smile
Here's a question for you--why is there " life" on earth ?
It started as a massive ball of simple matter--then It gets more complex, hydrogen, oxygen, water, bacteria, algae, plants, reptiles, mammals--etc...
I think all planets propagate more complex structures within; therefore we will find life everywhere..... | |
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| Life on Other Planets? YES????
Posted: 10/25/2008 4:20:13 PM |
hi.. if you study the history of the bible, this alone would be all the proof of Its Divinity that you needed.. It was boiled, burned, buried and baked yet It is still here...
Alright monalee and what does this little bit of prosletyzing have to do with the price of tea in China, or the subject matter at hand? Seriously, I'm quite glad for you that you have faith in something but could you either stick to the point or don't bother. Not everyone believes in your book. | |
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| Life on Other Planets? YES????
Posted: 10/25/2008 6:13:29 PM | | hi... Stargazer, sorry that I did not put the name of the person that I was responding to on my post, it may have spared you the irritation... warmly Mona | |
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| Life on Other Planets? YES????
Posted: 10/25/2008 6:43:09 PM | >>>God did leave a Manual for sincere seekers and it is the Holy Spirit that discerns and interprets Gods Words, not man
Wouldn't those words be science- observation of the natural world? I would trust science to be the word of God far more than a person claiming to be inspired by God. | |
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| Life on Other Planets? YES????
Posted: 10/25/2008 10:34:14 PM | | hi.. I agree, God created science and nature testifies of an unseen Force... here is where I get baffled... people who accept God and His Power find it difficult to accept that God could write His Words on the hearts of men who in turn hear His Voice and write His Words on paper... how is this any different than culture and history and heritage as told in stories and handed down the generations from parents and elders to children... again, we believe in All Powerful God yet we doubt His ability to speak through His obedient children... I have always considered myself a more emotional thinker than a logical one yet this is so logical it is painful... Living Truth is very personal yet the very fact that people risk all to tell others about God testifies of Its sincerity and of Its Source.... lets face it, only Gods Love in my heart would motivate me to tell my brothers and sisters that the bible is the Written Word of God , His Journal to us, His Manual for life and Eternal Life... blessings, warmly Mona | |
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| Life on Other Planets? YES????
Posted: 11/7/2008 2:36:27 PM | | yeah, it is an earth critter. But i believe in reincarnation and that we all have lived on infinite number of planets in order to evolve our souls for God. I think the Chupapacabras were alien left behind by the aliens. I think it was merely an experiment that went haywire and they couldnt catch them, but eventually they did. Havent you noticed that they arent anymore sightings or mutalations? I dont think that many entities come to earth, its to harsh. Its like Harvard, school of hard knocks, so be proud of yourself for having the courage to come here, Ill tell you one thing, im not coming back, you cant make me! | |
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| Life on Other Planets? YES????
Posted: 11/7/2008 2:52:38 PM | Billions of Stars in a Galaxy. Billions and Billions of Galaxies in the known Universe...
Yes I would say the chances of life on other planets is almost a sure bet. The question is if any of them are close enough for humans to ever see. Whole civilizations could be born and die out in the time it would take us to reach them. | |
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Posted: 11/7/2008 7:57:30 PM | >>>Billions of Stars in a Galaxy. Billions and Billions of Galaxies in the known Universe...
Seriously, the "The Universe is Big, so life must exist out there" belief has to be one of the most halfassed beliefs ever- theres zero evidence to support it!
The Ocean is huge- nearly 3/4 of our planet is underwater- does that mean that since the Ocean is so huge that there must be mermaids down there? But since the universe is huge, thats proof of life?? | |
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| Life on Other Planets? YES????
Posted: 11/7/2008 8:05:20 PM |
What would be most interesting would be a discovery of a life form that is based on methane instead of carbon, as many planets have a methane environment, which are not habitable places for carbon-based life to develop.
Ummm, methane *IS* "carbon-based." Perhaps you meant methane instead of water as a primary solvent? | |
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| Life on Other Planets? YES????
Posted: 11/7/2008 8:09:46 PM | Jiperly, you're correct. There is no evidence to support life on other planets.
Yet, there is no reason not to speculate that it might exist. And indeed, the mere enormity of the Universe, coupled with the fact that life exists here (and therefore the chance of life existing on any planet is non-zero), lends itself more to the conclusion that some kind of life is out there somewhere than that life only exists here. YMMV | |
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| Life on Other Planets? YES????
Posted: 11/8/2008 8:17:48 PM |
And indeed, the mere enormity of the Universe, coupled with the fact that life exists here (and therefore the chance of life existing on any planet is non-zero), lends itself more to the conclusion that some kind of life is out there somewhere than that life only exists here. YMMV
Indeed, not only do the odds support the idea, the fact that any number of organic compounds - molecules that life on this planet rely on, and not just water and carbon which are in abundance - that support the development of life.
The universe is a stunningly wet place. Water is everywhere. And water is a great solvent. In short, life is highly probable. Technologically advanced civilizations are less likely but, at least within the immediate neighbourhood, but not impossible. | |
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| Life on Other Planets? YES????
Posted: 11/9/2008 12:47:33 AM |
Where did the water come from? Is it possible the DNA was in the water before it seeped down to those depths? A bacterium, identified in DNA? I thought the DNA would be in the bacterium. Interesting that this comment triggered traction. The original article (located using Google) went into much more detail. One point was that the bacteria are killed by oxygen, suggesting they wouldn't be coming from anywhere near the surface of the planet.
The 'life on other planet' suggestion came from a NASA spokesman. It seems like a stretch to me, but NASA are experts on stretching. | |
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| Life on Other Planets? YES????
Posted: 11/14/2008 11:31:14 AM |
what if we did discover life on another planet (in the distant future obviously) and they were identical humanoids to us, approx same stage of development..
...so we meet and greet them, only to find out they are almost culturaly identical to us - different language but reality shows, obesity epedemics, tin pot dictators, BS politicians...
How gutted would we feel - we want them to be different and enlightened, but what if they were uncannily the same! Bummer.
I think I'm more cynical than you, I can't for a moment believe we wouldn't find a way to feel superior and try to impress our ways of thinking on something or other on them! We'd also have a good go at finding a way to exploit them. So much effort and resource has gone in to finding them we'd have to try and justify it somehow! | |
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| Life on Other Planets? YES????
Posted: 11/14/2008 10:12:35 PM | I like this quote a lot on this subject of reincarnation and I think it applies to life on other planets, too:
"You know, I don't think it would be any more unusual for me to show up in another life, than showing up in this one!"
Eleanor Roosevelt  | |
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| Life on Other Planets? YES????
Posted: 12/27/2008 9:31:52 PM | "Pointing out that in our own galaxy alone there are some 200 billion stars, (L. George )Lawerence says that if one assumed each of them to have at least five companion planets, a total of one trillion might consequently be available for study. Even if only one planet in a thousand has intelligent life this would amount to one billion in our galaxy alone. Multiplied by the ten billion galaxies believed to comprise the observable universe, then there may be 10 000 000 000 000 000 000 planets capable of sending some signal back to Earth."
-book,'The Secret Life Of Plants' by Peter Tompkins and Christopher Bird, pg 61. copyright: 1973
Well, Some say it would be quite naive of us to believe we are the one and only that inhabit this universe. | |
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| Life on Other Planets? YES????
Posted: 12/28/2008 3:58:19 AM |
he other thing about Venus - very, very dry!
So is Palm Springs but my mother thrived there.
We will move into the 5th dimension with our mother Earth on Mar.21.2013...
Much Love to You all and to all that is...
Namaste**
You be starseed? :)
If God truly loved us, he'd stop playing head games and prevent us from being sent to hell for not following the one true belief, not because of lack of faith, but because of ignorance. You wish us to believe that God can do and is everything, but refuse to question why he cannot explain his grand beliefs without a vessel.
Amen brother. Amen.
but doesn't even begin to explain how life begins- which would explain wither or not we are to find life on other planets.
One word: panspermia :)
another amazing fact about the bible is that sincere seekers all over the globe know without doubt that it is the Holy Spirit in the writers that pen the Words of God
And they "know without doubt" how, exactly? It's all belief. That's all it ever was and ever will be. There have been hundreds and hundreds of "gods" through the ages. Fire gods, water gods, earth gods, you name. Every group has their own and theirs is the ONLY TRUE god, right? Puleeeeeze.
Living Truth is very personal yet the very fact that people risk all to tell others about God testifies of Its sincerity and of Its Source
No. For some it testifies to their obsessive compulsive nature to everyone else's irritability. You know what they say - when you talk to god, you're religious but when god talks to you, it's schizophrenia. | |
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Posted: 12/28/2008 11:37:46 AM | >>>Well, Some say it would be quite naive of us to believe we are the one and only that inhabit this universe.
And I would say that people who accept that math would be very niave indeed- they're throwing out arbitary numbers, and simplifing the conditions for life to reach their preconceived conclusions. There are millions of conditions that may or may not be required for life- as this is the only situation life has been found, we really don't know- the sun has to be a certain size, at a certain distance, exerting a certain raditation, and must be stable for billions of years- the planet must be a certain distance, a certain size, made up of certain compounds, with an atmosphere and a magnetic sheild- it may need a molten core, tectonic plates, and a moon- it may need a nearby gas giant to protect it from astroid assaults- the list goes on and on- and thats even without any understanding on the conditions where inanimate molecules spring to life independnantly- then, you must wait for life to evolve- and intelligent life is not the apex of life- if there are 10,000 planets where life appears on, its quite likely that none of them will develop intelligent life before life is extinguished. Life does not exist to create intelligent life- life exists to create adaptive life.
Its assumptions upon assumptions upon assumptions, with no actual evidence then the good vibes you get from assuming that everything we've observed is wrong. | |
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| Life on Other Planets? YES????
Posted: 12/28/2008 2:11:42 PM | I think this is unquestionable evidence that life on other planets is possible, nay, likely; especially on planets with 1.74 mile deep gold mines.
With respect to the math that predicts the possibility of life: It's entirely guesswork, and irrelevant. From the single known sample where life does, in fact, exist, the sole common prerequisite for life is liquid water. Toss out all the other "requirements," that's the only thing that all life needs to survive.
Forget about planet size or the kind of star required, tectonics, vulcanism, radiation, chemistry, whatever: liquid water is the key, and there is a "liquid water zone" around just about every star in the Universe.
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Posted: 1/2/2009 10:30:17 AM | Many debates about this subject first ask the question, "Does the planet in question have enough oxygen to support life?" before the discussion is carried any further. Perhaps extracting oxygen from air is just how we evolved on this planet. Perhaps on another planet in a far-flung galaxy, life-forms are pearing at us through a telescope and wondering, "how can they posiibly survive? There's not enough methane to breath on earth." Maybe we are just one kind of transducer. Possibly in the same way that there are different types of batteries: some convert chemical energy from acid into electrical energy whilst others convert it from alkaline.
Personally I'm convinced there are many planets in the universe which support life. The numbers of stars and galaxies/probability thing does it for me. However what are the chances of life evolving on 2 separate planets to the point where they are intelligent enough to cohabit the same environment with regards to gravity, atmosphere, sun exposure, magnetic radiation, etc? Also developing long-distance space travel is a bit of a stumbling block for the time being, what with the theory of relativity and all that. Also how accurate will long-distance space travel be? Disembarking from a spaceship at the speed of light ain't quite gonna be the same as jumping out of a bus as it slows down. | |
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| Life on Other Planets? YES????
Posted: 1/2/2009 4:27:16 PM | | Hmmm... Significant atmospheric oxygen is a rather late event, coming a billion years or more after the beginning of life. However, it seems necessary for "high-energy" life forms like dinosaurs and mammals. Of course, we only have one example to draw from. :) | |
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Posted: 1/2/2009 5:00:19 PM | Forget about planet size or the kind of star required, tectonics, vulcanism, radiation, chemistry, whatever: liquid water is the key, and there is a "liquid water zone" around just about every star in the Universe.
I would say it's even simpler than that.
Anywhere where atoms exist in fact. 
Atoms, by there very nature react with each other in such a manner to create compounds. Acids, salts, water, protein.......these are the building blocks of life.
So, not only do we base assumptions on huge numbers but our understanding of chemistry, biology, physics itself.
Yeah, I know, someone's gonna come back with 'the spark of life' argument but that's another topic | |
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