sarsss
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Msg: 26 | |
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| Spiritual values in our communities
Posted: 11/6/2008 7:23:30 AM | | the decline of spirtitual values in todays society is more than likely the biggest reason why people cant find happiness | |
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| Spiritual values in our communities
Posted: 11/7/2008 10:00:53 PM | | hi.. I would like to comment on the statements about religion... there are 2 kinds of religion, God directed and manmade... manmade religion always gets in the way of man knowing God.. God directed religion serves mankind on every level.. spiritual, physical, moral, mental and so on... a manmade moral code is nothing more than a bad B- Movie.. most people wont get it or recommend it and so it will never win The Oscar.. Gods Moral Code however is like the Best Movie of The Year, most people get it and then recommend it because it was Worth Seeing. To a Christian the debate is simple... satan accused God of being a dictator and satan went on to say that he could run things much better... for the sake of the seed of doubt that satan planted, God let satan have rule over earth... well to me its painfully clear that satan made a mess of things and I for one wholly support God and freely submit my worship to His Laws and Government... furthermore we judge God too harshly by accusing Him of playing head games and being unfair yet as humans we think nothing of wanting good workers or good tenants or good mates for ourselves.. when God wants to test us before giving us immortality, we rebel.... Gods Laws are Perfect and Peace Prevails... the first 4 remind us that we are created, lest we become arrogant and think we can do better.. the last 6 remind us to love others as we want to be loved and treated... so yes we have to return to being a moral society but not by satans or mans low standards but rather Gods High Moral Perfect Standards.... little know fact perhaps.. Gods Commandments have been tampered with, rent the movie The Ten Comamndments with Charlton Heston, these are Gods Laws and Remember the Sabbath Day is the 7th day of the week , not the 1st... blessings, warmly Mona | |
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| Spiritual values in our communities
Posted: 11/12/2008 10:04:10 PM |
Reader's Digest version is a well known description for a condensed explanation as opposed to rambling on and on while looking in the mirror admiring your own image and counting your laurels.
Reader's Digest is a recognized too for intelligent people to get a superficial sampling of a subject so they can go on to further study. Then again, it can be the final step for a self-agrandizing simpleton to claime they know something.
Without mores a society declines and the id takes over ...
Funny that. Most species would disagree. Do you have any evidence for this? Any evidence at all?
if selfishness is the rule of the day, then a species dies
Not supported by science. Sorry. Looks to me like you're trying to convince yourself that your belief system has a basis in fact. It doesn't. Deal with it.
What you have described as simply hereditary tendencies or traits toward altruism is true, but without these traits being utilized and refined, the species would become extinct.
I'm guilty of going to scientific journals for my education on evolution. I'm not current on Reader's Digest. Perhaps you could post some supporting evidence? If you can't find it in Reader's Digest, try Mad Magazine or O. They are about your reading level. | |
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| Spiritual values in our communities
Posted: 11/12/2008 11:03:02 PM |
hi.. I would like to comment on the statements about religion... there are 2 kinds of religion, God directed and manmade... manmade religion always gets in the way of man knowing God.. God directed religion serves mankind on every level.. spiritual, physical, moral, mental and so on... a manmade moral code is nothing more than a bad B- Movie.. most people wont get it or recommend it and so it will never win The Oscar.. Gods Moral Code however is like the Best Movie of The Year, most people get it and then recommend it because it was Worth Seeing. To a Christian the debate is simple...... cut for ridiculousness
Lets simplify this... religion is man made (period) | |
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| Spiritual values in our communities
Posted: 11/14/2008 9:40:00 AM | Hi
Taking inventory of my life and my days I aim to practice healthy spiritual values.
Am I considerate tolerant forgiving caring loving trusting honest sincere.
Do I demonstrate my true feelings to all people.
Do I keep to the speed limit, hold the door open for a stranger.
No amount of words changes your spiritual values it is actions that count.
Talk is cheap.
Being kind considerate and respectful costs me nothing yet helps me feel good.
Giving of my self and my time is a reflection of how much I care.
Spiritual values are how we demonstrate our self in a healthy way.
Spent most of my life doing the talk, spiritual values is doing the walk.
How much time and how much sincerety do I give to the people I am suppose to love?
Being with some one in body only is not enough for healthy spiritual interactions.
Regards
Dave | |
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| Spiritual values in our communities
Posted: 4/13/2009 6:26:10 AM | Hi
For me spiritual values are all about healthy interactions with other people.
But for me to become a more caring loving trusting person to other people.
I need to become a more caring loving trusting person to myself.
My motives for doing all things today is because I want to do them.
No expectations of others, when I express my deepest feelings no expectations.
In expressing myself is unconditional it is not a question.
In giving of myself unconditionally I am truly being sincere.
For me spiritual values is my conscience today.
Do we hold back? Are we being completely honest? Are we demonstrating spiritual values today?
Love and peace to every one Dave. | |
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| Spiritual values in our communities
Posted: 9/8/2009 9:19:21 AM | Hi
The deteriation of our communities is due to lack of spiritual values.
How can we expect people respect other people when they do not respect them self?
We are born with spirtual values as new born children.
We are fearless complete honest and completely trsuting.
As adults we learn to live in fear due to painful expereinces in our lives.
We have lost the ability to nurture and heal the pains in our growth.
Our cosncience is based up on all spiritual values.
Our communities fails when we lose sight of those spiritual values and are unable to respect ourselves.
Money prestige greed our pace in life and unresolved pains of our past become our failings.
We need to reinstall spiritual values in our schools and in our paretnings kills.
Dysfuctional families cause untold damge to our communities.
Victims generate victims in our communities.
They say we get the ploiticians we deserve?
Finance seems to be the most important thing politicians focus on?
Is that a refelction of ourselves?
Bring back spiritual values to our communities and we have healthy people once more.
Love
Dave. | |
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| Spiritual values in our communities
Posted: 9/8/2009 9:45:12 AM | The record skipped. Is this available on CD?
Idealism prescribes the rationale, pragmatism derives it. One works to explain what should have been done, while the other accounts the difference.
If we believe the right things and act according to the beliefs, our actions will create the right world. This presupposes agreement on what the right world is. It seeks to erase conflict by removing variety. That's good for the conformist who prefers pacific monotony. It's bad for everyone else. | |
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| Spiritual values in our communities
Posted: 9/8/2009 4:05:07 PM | Well let's first see what Value means before we dissect it?
Outta my little ole Compact Oxford English Dictionary. noun 1 the regard that something is held to deserve; importance or worth. 2 material or monetary worth.
3. (values ) priciples or standards of behaviour. 4 the numerical amount denoted by algebraic term; a magnitude, quantity, or number. 5 music the relative duration of the sound signified by a note.
Verb. (values, valued, valuing) 1 estimate the value of. 2 consider to be important or beneficial.
Derivatives- valueless adjective. valuer noun
origin old French, from latin valere.
Now what do we value? dammit no room for Spiritual. never mind some one else can have a go. | |
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| Spiritual values in our communities
Posted: 10/2/2009 4:28:09 AM | Hi
I think every one has their opinion what happiness is all about.
I also think every one has their opinion what love is all about.
Each of us ahs the choice to be happy it is our own conscious decision to be happy.
Yet some people think that another person or religion will fulfill their own needs and wants.
Some people think that material items will make them happy and content with in them self.
Sadly hapiness is tied to being content with who I am, my spiritual actions which is my healthy interaction with healthy people.
My honesty and my concience is my strength and my realtionship with myself and with other people.
Sadly if we go aginst our own conscience and against spiritual values we live in the pain of our own guilt and shame.
Love
Dave | |
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| Spiritual values in our communities
Posted: 2/21/2010 7:52:25 PM | My name is Dave of Beckenham I am a compulsive Gambler and will be till the day I DIE! But today I have pains healed and nurtured, fears faced and frustrations resolved and I live a much healthier spiritual life healthier than ever before in my life just one day at a time.
I am able to be proud of myself today and the recovery program. I now have a clearer understanding that the addictions and obsessions were just a symptom that I was not able to process my life experiences in a healthy emotional way.
When I walked in to the recovery program I was very weak scared inadequate insecure lost soul that had an emotional age of an 8-10 year child.
Today at over 62 years of age some might even think that now I am a boring old fart and good for them.
Yet what people think of me today is not my responsibility, what is important are my healthy actions and that I interact with all people in a very healthy way.
Due to my experiences and being enlightened about myself and coming out of denial I am not the nervous scared child I use to be yet I do know that I needed to face all of my fears.
My child hood experience of being emotionally abused physically and sexually abused has now become my strength today, I know for sure I am going to hurt even more in my life yet it is how I process that pain is what counts.
Anger is and was my reaction to pain fear or frustrations, over time I have learned to heal those pains and clean those emotional scars.
The fears I had to face were once again all up to me to do and to face, all the time I lied in my fears I cheated myself of living my life to the full.
Now frustrations are covered by the serenity prayer, the only person I control is myself; I have no control over other people.
Due to painful actions and ridicule towards me I had lost most faith and hope in myself, the recover helps me understand that I am and was not all unhealthy in myself.
In coming out of denial and being honest with myself I was able to take responsibility for my unhealthy actions towards those very people I was supposed to love.
I now understand that by living in the pain and fears I was not living a healthy life, as you heal the deeper emotional pains you peel back the onion and the earlier pains come to surface and the tears run for the hurt child in me.
Then as those suppressed pains heal you find the spiritual values you were born with and the honest comes back in to your life once more, you even get excited at life and are able to achieve where once you thought you were a failure.
That curious innocent mind once it gets working can be very creative and productive, as you open up you are able to express your feelings in a very healthy way.
Do I fear or hate gambling today, living in fear of anything is not healthy for me today, if I hate anyone or anything I am only hurting myself.
For me hatred it taking unhealed pains of the past and turning it on myself. How does that help me? Forgiving people sets me free from feelings the victim of others and victim of my past.
Am I a victim today? Am I a perpetrator today? Am I a rescuer today? What do I feel I am today?
It is my choice to be healthy today, yet how do I define healthy?
If I am reacting from anger which is a reaction to pain fear or frustrations then how can I be at a peace within myself?
If I am interacting in a healthy way with all people and using spiritual values in every avenue of my life then I am a healthy person.
My conscience and my spiritual values if I am healthy or unhealthy, if I cause pain to another person then I need to look at myself.
If I am vengeful or justify cruelty then I am doing myself an unhealthy action.
For me to be spiritually healthy I need to practice each spiritual value in my life one way or another.
How many spiritual values do I practice in my life today?
Healthy spiritual values are unconditional loving unconditional giving forgiving apologize caring trusting trust worthy patience tolerance humility kind courteous sincere honest faithful optimistic self assured and well self balanced punctual courteous respectful considerate grateful very grateful content productive creative constructive nurturing sharing encouraging optimistic cooperative aware content stable humble open minded self confident calm proud and serene.
If I am person pleasing or doing things to impress people I am not happy with myself, if I am doing things out of guilt or shame for other people I am only cheating myself.
Are all my actions towards other people unconditional?
When I say I love you is it a question or a statement?
Do I know what love is all about today?
Do I give of myself unconditionally today?
If I am living in any kind of pain or fear then I am cheating myself of living my life to the full today?
Love and peace to everyone Dave. | |
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| Spiritual values in our communities
Posted: 2/23/2010 8:43:39 AM |
Crime increases when people are living in poverty.
Certain types of crime increase when people live in poverty. Other types of crime are confined to the rich and powerful, like Bernard Madoff. It would take hundreds of petty thieves to steal the amount of money he stole.
I object to the notion that morals are inherently spiritual. Ethics is a non-religious view of how people act and interact in a manner that minimizes harm and promotes cooperation. | |
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JMars
| | Joined: 10/14/2006
Msg: 39 | |
| Spiritual values in our communities
Posted: 2/23/2010 2:10:17 PM | Certain types of crime increase when people live in poverty.
Even this assement is highly relative, based upon the defintion of "poverty".
There are numerous Stone Age tech-level tribal societies that exist via subsistence. Technically, they live way below the poverty line as judged by Western standards. Neverthless, we don't see these tribes cannabalizing themselves and their communiites being laid waste by crime. Quite the contrary, actually.
There are also peoples that are not simply living "below the poverty line", but who are actually facing the imminent possibility of violent death, terminal illness and starvation. Amongst these, be they rural tribal or urban ecumenical, rules tend to take a back seat to the matter of survival. While crimes motivated by such behavior cannot be condoned, one would think that they are nevertheless predicable and understandable; as one cannot expect another to simply wither waway and die so as not to offend anyone. People have a right to live.
Anyway, within urbanized Western society, as opposed to rural tribal society, the bite of poverty stings all the more, for a number of reasons, but most poignantly because of the highly visible and grossly uneven distribution of wealth. A lack of common culture and a prevailing dynamic of social adversarialism, ie. the pursuit of individual happiness, compound the impact of the disparity between the have and have not, and thus open the door for criminal activity ... which becomes rationalized, and perhaps not entirely unjustly, as more of a crime by legality, rather than a crime by morality, ie. the "Robin Hood" rationalization. | |
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Posted: 4/15/2010 8:42:57 PM | Hi
If certain people do not care about them self then they will certainly not care about other people?
Spiritual values are based up on our healthy spiritual inateraction with all other people.
In being more accountable responsible to myself I ask how many spiritual values do I demonstrate and practice in my life today?
For me healthy spiritual values are unconditional loving unconditional giving forgiving apologize caring trusting trust worthy patience tolerance humility courteous sincere honest faithful optimistic self assured and well self balanced punctual courteous respectful considerate grateful very grateful content productive creative constructive nurturing sharing encouraging optimistic cooperative aware content stable humble open minded self confident calm proud and serene.
Love and peace to everyone Dave. | |
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Posted: 6/24/2010 3:00:40 AM | Hi
In me being more accountable and responsible how many spiritual values do I demonstrate each day with all people? Spiritual values such as healthy unconditional loving unconditional giving forgiving apologizing caring trusting trust worthy patience tolerance humility courteous sincere honest faithful optimistic self assured and well self balanced punctual courteous respectful considerate grateful very grateful content productive creative constructive nurturing sharing encouraging optimistic cooperative aware content stable humble open minded self confident calm proud and serene.
How much more effort am I willing to put in to my spiritual growth today?
Unhealthy actions has unhealthy consequences, healthy actions have healthy consequences. Which do I prefer to embrace today?
Love and peace to everyone Dave. | |
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Posted: 7/13/2010 11:29:12 PM |
Spiritual values are actually at the heart of moral failure. As more and more people see these values for what they are -- nonsense derived largely from inconsistent religious traditions that lack ANY semibalance of justification and evidence -- and reasonably abandon them, society has not yet created institutions capable of conducting proper moral instruction. We are left with a nihilism of sorts as society becomes more secular. Proponents of spiritual values make the mistake of assuming that such values are the "only" values and do not lend enough support to teaching secular values that are relevant to the modern world.
Are you saying that good values aren’t good because these are derived from religious inconsistencies and such lack the evidence or justification?
I see, so stay with me for just a bit; once you realized that religion was just stories and failed to justify the need for it, considering its outrageous arbitrary demands, or couldn’t find the evidence to support such claims, you decided that the values that you have lived by until then, because these were derived by it, were completely obsolete?
Hmmm, so why not take the good values with you, and wipe out the inconvenient, I mean, inconsistency part of it?
I guess one can say that, that would be the logical rational thing to do, you know, since we are suggesting teaching right and wrong strictly from a rational and logical perspective…
Forgive me sir, if I sound a bit irreverent, but good values need no justification, right and wrong as you are proposing have been derived from God’s teachings whether you like it or not.
Furthermore, I don’t see how our “modern world” should be relevant or affect human conduct in any way period; I don’t care what you believe in.
As for teaching values, I agree; good values should be demanded of everyone alive, regardless of beliefs.
Yet, it would be interesting to hear you justify the same simply from a Webster’s perspective…
Trust me, eventually you would end up saying “Because I am saying so!” too… 
I find it amazing that the more we study our human nature scientifically the more we forget what we have learned already from our own experiences. This is possibly why science is usually at a loss for words whenever questions of choice and ethics do arise…
Spiritual values huh; well, such term ought to be obsolete. If you need an adjective, let’s make it personal.
Don’t you think that personal values, sounds more accurate? This way, when the lack of it shows we will not be as disappointed…
Well, if you don’t think so, think of a different one, but please, for God’s sake (no pun intended) let us not associate good values with God, considering that now because of it, it could be used as a justification for the lack thereof.
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| Spiritual values in our communities
Posted: 7/15/2010 8:37:35 AM | Hi
I think the simplest way we can explain soiritual values is they are the same as our own conscience values we were born with.
Guilt and shame is only a relfection of the pain we have caused others.
When we have healthy realtionships we feel good in our self.
How often do people justify being resentful and vengeful towards other people?
People think that money is the rout of all pain?
Not what people do and say to each other causes pain?
Love
Dave | |
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| Spiritual values in our communities
Posted: 7/15/2010 3:27:20 PM |
When we have healthy realtionships we feel good in our self.
Dave:
What is a a healthy relationship?
I hate to break it to you Dave, but pain is the result of human interaction period.
Unfortunately, few of us are inmune to it, even fewer are able to avoid it at all cost and isolate themselves...
As for values, I must say, somewhere along the way, someone took a wrong turn, oh yeah that's right, it was at the garden of eden....
I hear people such as yourself speaking of better times, and I have done it once or twice when I have seen new generations, yet, on a daily basis I am quite amazed by the fact that the decay of our humanity has increased right along with our "civilization", don't you agree?
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Inicia
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Msg: 45 | |
| Spiritual values in our communities
Posted: 7/16/2010 12:04:55 AM |
the decay of our humanity has increased right along with our "civilization", don't you agree?
Hmm????
No I don't agree>>>I don't believe humanity has decayed, I am not sure I understood the the above post ...I interpreted it to mean= Its the same as it ever was since the beginning of time.. I believe the Other Poster was stating interactions have increased right along with the population growth(civilization) that the pain from human interaction increases linearly related to population growth. as population increases> interactions increase> an increase in Painful interactions, Let me know if I interpreted it wrong...... | |
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Posted: 7/16/2010 7:03:31 PM |
Let me know if I interpreted it wrong......
No you did get it as it was intended, I think...
Quite honestly, I am trying to understand what it is that you understood by reading your post above...
I am sorry... | |
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| Spiritual values in our communities
Posted: 7/26/2010 11:43:16 AM |
Spiritual values are actually at the heart of moral failure. As more and more people see these values for what they are -- nonsense derived largely from inconsistent religious traditions that lack ANY semibalance of justification and evidence -- and reasonably abandon them, society has not yet created institutions capable of conducting proper moral instruction. We are left with a nihilism of sorts as society becomes more secular. Proponents of spiritual values make the mistake of assuming that such values are the "only" values and do not lend enough support to teaching secular values that are relevant to the modern world.
true, people speak of religion & churches, etc. giving "moral guidance"
but almost all religions do not instil a real sense of 'morals', to do good, or do the right thing, for it's own sake.
they rely HEAVILY on the carrot & the stick (esp. the BIG STICK?)
"if you do what we tel lyou to do & obey the rules you get eternity in heaven when you die -if you don't you get eternity burning in hell."
how is that 'moral values' -it's just COERCION to do something not because you think it's right,but for your own self-gain/avoidance of pain & punishment. | |
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| Spiritual values in our communities
Posted: 8/2/2010 9:12:26 AM | Hi
What the world needs today IMO is more and more applied philosophers to aid people develop wisdom in their personal and civic lives.
I feel that if we move from spiritual values education tehn sdaly we lose sight of what is important in our life healthy realtionships.
I agree people move from spiritual caring and loving and are filled with money material greed.
Yet there is no importance placed up on philosophic growth or spiritual growth.
In fact the politicians prefer us to be ignorant and misdirected just like they are.
Sadly there are religions faiths and beliefs that are not about harmony and spiritual interactions and often want to segrigate from their communities which is often fear based issues?
People talk about wisdom and healthy being yet where is the incentive by any goverment to develop those skills of insight and understanding unehalthy goals?
Dave. | |
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| Spiritual values in our communities
Posted: 11/27/2010 6:28:46 AM | Hi
Good question indeed
What is a a healthy relationship?
For me a healthy relationship is based up on honesty, is about healthy interaction, loyalty, nurturing and encouraging each other to do the healthy spiritual thing, by doing and saying siritual actions we not only become proud of our self but proud of each other.
I hate to break it to you Dave, but pain is the result of human interaction period.
Pain is not healthy interaction, causing another person pain goes against spiritual values and goes against our own conscience.
If there was not one single person on this planet would it be an evil planet?
If there was one single person on this planet would it be an evil planet?
If there was two people on this planet would it be an evil planet?
What is evil unhealthy cruel actions from one or more people towards other people
Sadly in today life people do not understand what is cruel and what is healthy?
I hear people such as yourself speaking of better times, and I have done it once or twice when I have seen new generations, yet, on a daily basis I am quite amazed by the fact that the decay of our humanity has increased right along with our "civilization", don't you agree?
When our prioroties and goals and ambitions in life are money or material as top consideration then we lose sight of what is best spiritual and healthy for our well being.
Spiritual values and spiritual actions are all about healthy interaction between all people.
The consequences of pain is fear do we enjoy living in fear?
Often people unhealthy reactions in anger are often due to painful traumatic expereinces in our child hood which are never healed and nurtured.
How many people are afraid to say I love you?
How many people are afraid to give of them self unconditionally?
How many are unable to forgive?
How many are unable to pay a compliment?
Each fear we have stunts our growth in life as spiritual people because it adversely affects our spiritual healthy interactions.
Love
Dave | |
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Posted: 11/27/2010 11:48:36 AM | Good stuff Dave,your on the right path.The basic rule is that you must see in others that what you want for yourself.Extending values of the Spirit to others is the result of knowing the true aspect of others/yourself as spirit even though they may not know it for themselves and do wrong.(were forgiveness comes in,a value of Spirit)
I noticed how many on this post naturally get all worked up on religion,especially when people say spiritual, but values of the spirit are much deeper than any religion and are horribly absent from most these days as more see religion for what it is so they throw out any thing religious "sounding" The basic principles of religions are sound ,it has been how those teachings have been used and the little/no understanding by most that is the problem with religions. | |
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