| The threat of Overpopulation
Posted: 8/14/2009 8:59:39 AM | ^^^^^^Excellent point.
The world is currently on pace to create three megacities per year (25 million )
Caught an interview on BBC world news with a nobel prize winning economist from India. He was very non commital on the emerging middle class situation happening there and the effects this will have on those limited resources.
Seem they have still very little concern for the poor there and are quite content to see them build slums around these new cities. They are also keeping pace with china on the purchases of new cars.
It is most unlikely we will be able to curb this trend so even if we utilize the tech we have to "green" our way of life the ramifications of this growth is scary at best.
CBC.ca is currently airing a lengthy doc about India, trust me capitalism is alive and booming there with some corporations growing at a rate of 40% a year feeding that middle class desire to live like we do. | |
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Posted: 8/14/2009 9:23:15 AM | The most economical and efficient means of reducing world population is probably altruistic suicide...Any volunteers?...C'mon people, unlike nuclear proliferation, the increase in the extinction rate, or finding a car that breaks before the warranty expires, this is a problem that we can easily solve if we'd all just learn to cooperate and work for the "greater good" of humanity by decorating our living rooms...with our brains.
It would also cure the world hunger problem...  | |
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Posted: 8/14/2009 9:53:55 AM | As far as cannabalism goes though there are few ladies I have seen that I wouldn't mind eating. | |
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Posted: 8/14/2009 10:36:29 AM | humanity is a plague on the earth.
WE are destroying the earth.
It seems only fitting the earth destroy us. | |
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Posted: 8/14/2009 12:01:22 PM |
this is a problem that we can easily solve if we'd all just learn to cooperate and work for the "greater good" of humanity
And there lies the problem. Can anyone see a way for all people to cooperate when they mostly don't give a damn about anything other than themselves? The only thing I can see that would do that would be planetary catastrophe. Maybe when people start dying in large quantities others will finally see changing as not such a bad thing and start living consciously. | |
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Posted: 8/14/2009 12:48:01 PM | | Forgive me if this was covered, I couldn't read through all three pages- but I believe nature has a way of limiting population that humanity couldn't override. If you put guppies in a fishtank, they will reproduce - to a point, then the population levels off. They will not reproduce to the point that they cannot survive. I think as humans we probably have that same survival instinct hard wired somehow. I'm sure we will destroy the earth (global warming, pollution, nuclear holocaust, what have you) long before we could over populate it. | |
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Posted: 8/14/2009 1:06:02 PM |
If you put guppies in a fishtank, they will reproduce - to a point, then the population levels off.
See?...There's a useful and creative idea...Maybe we should start eating our young. | |
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Posted: 8/14/2009 2:59:11 PM | | if religion has its way people will breed like robots since birth control is a sin and "every sperm is sacred". | |
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Posted: 8/15/2009 6:47:02 PM | justwant2no on 8/15/2009 6 01 AM
(but I believe nature has a way of limiting population that humanity couldn't override)
Hi:I believe that there is an Economic theory that supports this view;The human
footprint can mark the earth to a critical point before the population dramatically
drops be it from war,disease or famine.
Current assumptions on climate change,drought,land degradation and
pursuit of material comforts excessive to basic needs may be a factor
that generates such conditions at a faster pace.
In this regard the first world has bad form.A readjustment with
equity may occur with consequences for us all;not the least
being the advent of Gaia (assuming Lovelock is anywhere within the
ballpark of being correct)which as I understand it, is already a 'fait accompli'.
Human cannibalism is not an issue because the small degree of separation
between us are bound to prevent such an event from occurring. | |
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Posted: 8/15/2009 7:00:47 PM | Your right! LEAD BY EXAMPLE & "off" yourself! What? Are YOU better than those people in the 3rd world? Eliteist scum! | |
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Posted: 8/15/2009 7:05:52 PM | Correct! Why do these "Sheeple" believe the NWO B.S.?! If they believe the world is over-populated...They should off themselves! Lead by example. Unless, they think themselves "ABOVE" the others. | |
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Posted: 8/15/2009 7:12:36 PM | Humans are just one of millions (billions) of species that have lived on the earth since life first developed. We are more destructive to the planet than anything else, but the planet will survive. We will eventually go extinct like every other life form and the earth will heal itself. It is not a question of it, but of when.
Our population and mass consumption lifestyles aren't sustainable and eventually something has to give. It will be a great day for all the other species when we finally move off stage, and it will happen eventually. | |
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Posted: 8/15/2009 8:18:03 PM | Oki Boy on 8/16/2009 1:00:47 PM
(Your right! LEAD BY EXAMPLE & "off" yourself! What? Are YOU better than those people in the 3rd world? Eliteist scum!)
Your stated CHRISTIAN belief system apparently consists of such values that
you find 'convenient' to extol from time to time and thus by implication
is total hypocrisy to your actual psyche'.A CLOSET PSEUDOLOGIST!
If you actually believe that the first world's behaviour(throughout
history) with respect to the environment is fair and equitable then your
value system is fallacious by any yardstick of measurement.
I remind you of issues like slavery,rape and pillage that has
occurred throughout aeons which has led to current first world
domination of this planet.It is pertinent to point out that not all
in the third world live off the fat of the land and engorge themselves
at the expense of those outside the loop.
The MALE BULL APE MENTALITY THAT MANIFESTS ITSELF
IN YOUR PSYCHE' DETRACTS FROM THE ARGUMENT AND IS
REMINISCENT OF THE ANARCHIC SENTIMENTS THAT
CHARACTERIZE THE MIDDLE AGES WHERE MURDER
AND DEATH WAS THE SOLUTION TO OVERCOME ANY
DIFFERENCES IN A PHILOSOPHICAL ARGUMENT.
I believe that violence and a 'culture of death' that permeates you
is primitive in the extreme! | |
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Posted: 8/15/2009 9:11:05 PM | Oki Boy on 8/16/2009 1:05:52 PM
War, war is still the cry,—“war even to the knife!”(LORD BYRON)
The dome of thought, the palace of the soul.(LORD BYRON)
Fools are my theme, let satire be my song.(LORD BYRON)
(Darkness, 1816)
I had a dream, which was not all a dream.
The bright sun was extinguish'd, and the stars
Did wander darkling in the eternal space,
Rayless, and pathless, and the icy earth
Swung blind and blackening in the moonless air;
Morn came and went--and came, and brought no day,
And men forgot their passions in the dread
Of this their desolation; and all hearts
Were chill'd into a selfish prayer for light:
And they did live by watchfires--and the thrones,
The palaces of crowned kings--the huts,
The habitations of all things which dwell,
Were burnt for beacons; cities were consum'd,
And men were gather'd round their blazing homes
To look once more into each other's face;
Happy were those who dwelt within the eye
Of the volcanos, and their mountain-torch:
A fearful hope was all the world contain'd;
Forests were set on fire--but hour by hour
They fell and faded--and the crackling trunks
Extinguish'd with a crash--and all was black.
The brows of men by the despairing light
Wore an unearthly aspect, as by fits
The flashes fell upon them; some lay down
And hid their eyes and wept; and some did rest
Their chins upon their clenched hands, and smil'd;
And others hurried to and fro, and fed
Their funeral piles with fuel, and look'd up
With mad disquietude on the dull sky,
The pall of a past world; and then again
With curses cast them down upon the dust,
And gnash'd their teeth and howl'd: the wild birds shriek'd
And, terrified, did flutter on the ground,
And flap their useless wings; the wildest brutes
Came tame and tremulous; and vipers crawl'd
And twin'd themselves among the multitude,
Hissing, but stingless--they were slain for food.
And War, which for a moment was no more,
Did glut himself again: a meal was bought
With blood, and each sate sullenly apart
Gorging himself in gloom: no love was left;
All earth was but one thought--and that was death
Immediate and inglorious; and the pang
Of famine fed upon all entrails--men
Died, and their bones were tombless as their flesh;
The meagre by the meagre were devour'd,
Even dogs assail'd their masters, all save one,
And he was faithful to a corse, and kept
The birds and beasts and famish'd men at bay,
Till hunger clung them, or the dropping dead
Lur'd their lank jaws; himself sought out no food,
But with a piteous and perpetual moan,
And a quick desolate cry, licking the hand
Which answer'd not with a caress--he died.
The crowd was famish'd by degrees; but two
Of an enormous city did survive,
And they were enemies: they met beside
The dying embers of an altar-place
Where had been heap'd a mass of holy things
For an unholy usage; they rak'd up,
And shivering scrap'd with their cold skeleton hands
The feeble ashes, and their feeble breath
Blew for a little life, and made a flame
Which was a mockery; then they lifted up
Their eyes as it grew lighter, and beheld
Each other's aspects--saw, and shriek'd, and died--
Even of their mutual hideousness they died,
Unknowing who he was upon whose brow
Famine had written Fiend. The world was void,
The populous and the powerful was a lump,
Seasonless, herbless, treeless, manless, lifeless--
A lump of death--a chaos of hard clay.
The rivers, lakes and ocean all stood still,
And nothing stirr'd within their silent depths;
Ships sailorless lay rotting on the sea,
And their masts fell down piecemeal: as they dropp'd
They slept on the abyss without a surge--
The waves were dead; the tides were in their grave,
The moon, their mistress, had expir'd before;
The winds were wither'd in the stagnant air,
And the clouds perish'd; Darkness had no need
Of aid from them--She was the Universe.
Lord Byron) | |
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Posted: 8/15/2009 9:20:36 PM | C'mon people...We're sitting here arguing senselessly while Rome burns. We should be getting busy making a positive contribution and blowing our brains out...Uh...You guys first OK?...I wanna make sure none of you chicken out.  | |
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Posted: 8/16/2009 6:20:13 AM | | An on the mention of China we also know that the one child policy has has huge social implications. One of the main ones is that boys have been welcomed into the nest to maintain cultural traditions and to ensure the sustainability of the family. This issue has led to young men being unable to find enough girls. It is an interesting scenario that is unfolding as we chat. Cheers. | |
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Posted: 8/16/2009 6:27:08 AM | I read the first post and skipped forward.
The only overpopulated place on earth is Antaritica.
I don't think that food will be wiped out and we will have to go the solion green.
So, I reject the premise of the arguement. It would have been more interesting on how do deal with starvation and protecting the weak. | |
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Posted: 8/16/2009 6:32:23 AM | ahoytheredave - "Developed countries have been helping third world countries survive drought, disease etc. for many years."
Just to clarify - are you in disagreement with 'developed' countries providing aid to developing countries? I believe that given that western countries consume massively more than those in the developing world, and that the population in western countries produce more waste per capita than in other countries because the population in countries like Canada, Australia, US - It is only fair that western countries therefore support the other half.
"In the mean time, efforts to promote population control in those countries have been met with accusations of some form of genocide by birth prevention."
Efforts to control population growth have failed for multiple reasons ... the least of which is because of international aid. Let's face it in some countries family planning is not part of their practice and therefore pregnancies AND HIV/Aid has flourished as a result. Breading large families is part of a lot of cultures who continue to follow traditional ways and this should not be seen as a negative. On the issue of 'genocide' a complex topic, but we know that different new medicines have been tested on people from countries that are in need, but not restricted to as well.
The population needs to increase in all countries as we know that by the time some of us need to retire there will be few young people working to keep countries going. Cheers | |
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Posted: 8/16/2009 7:59:56 AM | Breading large families is part of a lot of cultures who continue to follow traditional ways and this should not be seen as a negative.
Is this to be viewed as an early rise to cannabalism? Sorry couldn't resist.
Is tempura also available? | |
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| The threat of Overpopulation
Posted: 8/16/2009 1:38:40 PM | | Interesting, thought provoking...I think humans as we are now will end up poisoning ourselves from our own waste byproducts. Not unlike bacteria colonies in a petri dish. Add bread mold waste (penicillin) and the bacteria die quicker, but now we have penicillin resistant bacteria. So as humans, we will adapt and change to our environment and become different somehow. It's an endless cycle. I believe that eventually something will happen that destroys current civilization and we return to our agrarian roots. | |
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Posted: 8/16/2009 2:48:02 PM | there is nothing to worry about since we will not be here. i watched Cnn a few weeks ago do a story on a volcanologist who said that there is a huge one under yosemite (i never been) that when it erupts (i forget how many years that will be) it will take away california , nevada, the west coast and mexico.
this sounds like the Rapture? like in those Left Behind movies.
or , another tsumni will hit some asian/indian country and not a soul will be left. this is so scary.
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Posted: 8/16/2009 3:07:46 PM | there is a huge one under yosemite
It erupts on average every 600,000 years. It has been 640,000 years since the last eruption, so it's "behind schedule" and could erupt anytime. I won't go into the gory details, but it will probably wipe out most of north America and a good chunk of the rest of the world later on, owing to the ash blocking out sunlight, dropping temperatures and killing crops for years until most of the planet dies of starvation.
Have a nice day.  | |
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Posted: 8/16/2009 5:48:12 PM | normaldude on 8/15/2009 8 11 AM
(if religion has its way people will breed like robots since birth control is a sin and "every sperm is sacred".)
The religion is not to blame;it is human behaviour.It isthe need
for self control and to act responsibly towards the creation of their making!
The spread of sperm is created by men;not by the religion.
Ah........but then we never blame the men do we?
It is all about self gratification,lust and the refusal to take responsibility
for their actions.
Excuse Me;Did I say MEN?.............oh.......so sorry.......I meant MALES! | |
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Posted: 8/16/2009 7:12:53 PM | | Don't you see lovemaking as a spontaneous expression made up of desire , love and expressing that love when you feel it in a very appropriate way ? I know couples who are trying to conceive and what with the 'Is it the right day or days now ?' and 'Hang about , I have to take my temperature !' ..... ...'I have a headache ' is obsolete these days . And these couples have found that love making is more or less a duty and not the joyous 'thing' it's meant to be ... and of course if you don't want to have a baby for any reason , then use a contraceptive ! What child wants to find out maybe later that it was just an accident , Mummy or Daddy forgot to use contraception ! | |
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