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Posted: 8/14/2005 5:19:10 PM | | I'll give it a shot... can you tell me how many beats per line (Pantameter)? | |
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Posted: 8/14/2005 5:40:42 PM | | paradoxx, read my msg #36. Then go for it ! (10 syllables; five beats: short- heavy- short- heavy, etc..) | |
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Posted: 8/14/2005 5:55:12 PM | Okay...I did a practice run, knowing it would not be good.
Can someone check the form and tell me if it is correct? I will then try in earnest.
Thanks!
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Crayon poised to scratch the verse
Sonnet writ with stifled curse
Words of stifled proclamation
Plotted for examination
Woe that goes with first day verse
Seuss’s theme that fell to earth
Silly words I pushed together
Stirring adjectives seldom clever
Sonnet begged to please conform
Iambic tragedy someday reform
Written now with missing grace
I wish that I could hide my face
Written here with terrible fun
Check my verse now I am done | |
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Posted: 8/14/2005 5:56:42 PM | paradoxx, read my msg #36. Then go for it ! (10 syllables; five beats: short- heavy- short- heavy, etc..)
Aghhh, I did 4 feet.
Thanks Rory, I love your work...god have pity on my soul LOL
I need to try again | |
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Posted: 8/14/2005 6:13:30 PM | Thanks. And remember the natural stresses of each syllable--
"I GAVE, and TORE a STRIP of SELF-made PRIDE" | |
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Posted: 8/14/2005 6:23:12 PM | Rory, thanks again.
So, by not specifically rhyming a sonnet...the rythem of the poem is in it's self making the melody?
It's beautiful, I really want to learn. | |
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Posted: 8/14/2005 6:24:54 PM | The emphasis is on the consistent iambic rhythm, but you still have to adhere to the rhyme scheme:
a,b,a,b
c,d,c,d
e.f.e.f
g,g | |
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Posted: 8/14/2005 10:09:39 PM | I found this on the web somewhere that gives a nice explaination of the Shakespearian Sonnet.
Rhyme in the Sonnet
A Shakespearian sonnet uses the following rhyme scheme: ABAB, CDCD, EFEF, GG. The Shakespearian sonnet, with its distinctive rhyme scheme, is perhaps more suitable for poets writing in English, where there are far fewer rhymes than there are in the Italian sonnet form. There are many variations on these two rhyme schemes, but these are the most common and provide a point of reference.
Meter
Sonnets in English are usually written in iambic pentameter. "Iambic" refers to the type of foot, or rhythmic unit, used (in this case, the iamb), and "pentameter" refers to the number of feet in each line (in this case, five). An iamb is simply an unstressed syllable followed by a stressed syllable, and iambic pentameter is simply a line five iambs long. The word "confirm," for example, is an iamb. And just as we stress a particular syllable within a word, we also stress certain words within a sentence. Consider this line of iambic pentameter by Sidney: "And this I swear by blackest brook of hell." Listen to yourself saying it out loud and try to hear where the accents fall.
Not every line in a sonnet has to be perfectly iambic. In fact, it’s a good idea to vary the meter a little so that it doesn’t sound sing-songy or monotonous. A good way to do this is to switch the syllables around, so that the stressed syllable comes before the unstressed syllable. This type of foot is called a trochee. It is common to find trochees in sonnets, especially at the beginning of lines. This line of Surrey’s, for example, begins with a trochee: "Love, that doth reign and live within my thought." You can also add an unstressed syllable here and there to change things up, but, generally, there should always be five stressed syllables per line.
A caesura, or pause in a line, and enjambment, or not pausing syntactically at the end of a line, are other ways to vary the rhythm of the poem. A caesura can slow down the rhythm of a poem, and enjambment can be used to speed it up.
Putting It All Together
You’re almost ready to write your own sonnet. But before you do, it’s always a good idea, in any field, to take a look at what others have done before, especially those who did it really well. In the sonnet below, written by Shakespeare, look for all the elements that you’ve learned about: the rhyme scheme, the meter, the number of lines, the subject matter, the shift in tone. Notice how Shakespeare has masterfully put it all together into a moving meditation on the impermanence of youth and the inevitability of death. The rhythm never seems mechanical, and the rhymes never feel forced. The sestet, and especially the final couplet, gives the reader a sense of conclusion—the treatment of the theme feels complete. The finished sonnet, as its author claims, is immortal indeed:
"Shall I compare thee to a summer’s day?
Thou art more lovely and more temperate:
Rough winds do shake the darling buds of May,
And summer’s lease hath all too short a date:
Sometime too hot the eye of heaven shines
And often is his gold complexion dimmed;
And every fair from fair sometimes declines,
By chance or nature’s changing course untrimmed;
But thy eternal summer shall not fade,
Nor lose possession of that fair thou ow’st;
Nor shall death brag thou wander’st in his shade,
When in eternal lines to time thou grow’st:
So long as men can breathe, or eyes can see,
So long lives this, and this gives life to thee."
Now you’re ready to write your own sonnet. It can be difficult at first, but don’t be discouraged—even Shakespeare had to work at it! With a lot of practice and a little pluck, you’ll be serenading your lover or lambasting the powers that be in no time, and in a poetic form that will almost certainly endure for centuries to come.
(so I hope this hasn't confused the potential sonnet writers too much, just go for it but try to follow the rules for this form...)
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Posted: 8/14/2005 10:42:12 PM | On Marriage - A Sonnet
I would that thou couldst merely touch my hand,
And reignite the embers of my soul.
An ocean pulses rivers through flesh lands,
To that which once was thine attention's goal.
I long to dash away the stinging tears,
That separate the gaze that falls between.
To me thy hand is mercifully near,
Although to grasp I must have fingers keen.
Diffuse disclosures dust the path to trust,
With words that foster authenticity.
Caresses flow with knowing that they must,
Meander forth toward eternal sea.
Within mine heart thou planted such a seed,
A life with thee would be a LIFE indeed! | |
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Posted: 8/15/2005 5:30:57 PM | The meeting
Judged innocent by fallen angel’s way
Guilty lips played chaste for sinner’s kiss
Proffered valley lay before lover’s gaze
Inspired religion, meditated bliss
Vertigo scent spins thickly in the lair
Seduction’s stroke to gentle shattered beast
Maestro’s violin; tangled silken hair
Crescendo clash of molten tides released
Tempest calms to casting arcane shadow
A calming of a soul completely swayed
Moonlight hums benediction through window
Drifting softly to tomorrow’s gentle day
Immortal love’s timeless repetition
Play’d upon the stage a new audition
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Please check my form? I want to learn to do it right. | |
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Posted: 8/15/2005 7:08:58 PM | paradoxx: as to content, wonderfully inventive wordplay. Liked the music/seduction symbolism.
As to technique, a good first effort. Six of the fourteen lines started with a trochee, though (Guilty; Maestro's; Tempest; Moonlight; Drifting; Play'd ), and one with a dactyl (Vertigo). When it starts that way, the whole line tends to become trochaic (line 2, for example-- here, a simple "those" before "Guilty" would have corrected things). Just a few things to note, but good job.  | |
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Posted: 8/15/2005 7:20:55 PM | Rory, thank you so much for the help. I need to practice a bit...I noticed the difference between other poems and mine, but as I tapped out the meter/syllabals, I couldn't figure out where I derailed. Your critique is so helpful, thank you.
Back I go to the hacking board :) | |
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Posted: 8/21/2005 6:59:53 PM | Here is a poem in pentameter. The rhyme isn't Iambic but it's very good in my humble opinion.
She moves with grace like pure flowing water
And shines with light like the suns own daughter
With hair that glows like sunset coloured rays
Beside such beauty I would spend my days
A form more divine than Venus’ muse
Blessed with a mind that we cannot confuse
A wit sharper than a great sword of war
Woe he that pursue who she finds a bore
A brilliant smile that lights sombre nights
Paired with blue eyes brighter than summers heights
Natures’ perfection indeed I have found
And nature it has my soul tightly bound
An angelic vision that haunts my dreams
Of her great beauty I compose in reams
Hope y'all like it  | |
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Posted: 8/31/2005 12:58:53 PM | you people that call yourself poets, afraid to try your hand at a shakespearion sonnet. come on... read the formate rules and go for it. Don't be afraid you can do it. Experimenting with different formats will make you a better poet.  | |
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Posted: 8/31/2005 6:39:27 PM | Northwinds Voyage
Deep in a north-starred land where winds hold sway
And black waters surge wild against still depths
A solitary traveller, load-laden toils against the day
Wind-whipped, the sigh of he and tree, form but a single breath
Out of a cragged, earthen face stare startling clear eyes
There cling the lone and twisted pine; bowed but still unbroken
And against all odds and reason holds fast to merger ties
Here doggedness and the clinging speak truer than the spoken
Pressed on to hearth made sweet with hunger and with thirst
Hugs shorelines as young-lovers when meeting high winds play
In an ancient land quite careless of the living that traverse
Yet his paddle’s steady rhythm denies the come what may
Dip, dip the paddle, what’ver the hardships of your track
My blessing’s with you, ‘May the winds be at your back’
* meter’s messy I know :( | |
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Posted: 9/3/2005 1:03:39 AM | SONNET #7
Remember, Love, when days we wound with each
Small gesture, shifting in our limbs of fire
Like scant, insistent gusts we used to breach
As heaped, our passion spiralled, gathered pyres
Collapsing in our spent collective lust.
I saw you walking just the other day,
And, troubled, pondered hard on heat and dust,
And things etched wordless streaming with sun's rays.
You're in my blood, which surges through your mind
While other lovers come and go and bring
Their stories long and special till they bind
With longing promise of a greater thing.
Look ! Dear wistful lover still so bold
At paths of blazing memories foretold. | |
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Posted: 9/14/2005 2:36:40 PM | Here's a something I wrote about my cat one day. It's hard to study with distractions like this. 
Dr. Claw
There I sat nose in book
When I felt that piercing look
In you came from your lair
With your tail in the air
You come in and there you plop
Upon my book right on top
You purr and sing very cute
By such charms I am mute
How I adore my little kitten
Oh, indeed I am smitten
I pet your furry skin
And feel the love within
Yes indeed I love my kitty
Young, happy and very pretty | |
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Posted: 9/20/2005 4:56:41 PM | haven't seen too much new lately... sonnets I mean.
Ok for those new to this thread, its about sonnets so try and restrict yourself to that form. We are here to explore the sonnet style and I know it may seem tough to follow the rules but you will be very please with yourself if you try. The Shakespearian sonnet has a beautiful flow when accomplished, so dare yourself and try it.
rhyme scheme.... abab cdcd efef gg.
10 beats to a line with slight variations | |
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| Lost Love
Posted: 4/2/2006 5:32:28 PM | I loved you, love can't easy quit
in soul mine, it lives forever
don't bother, u don't need my love
but I in love with you, however. | |
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