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 SteelCity1981
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The fear with running the table in the NFL when you have a chance is that you risk your team unessary injuries trying to run the table. What's more important risking injuries trying to go undefeated or putting your team in the best position to win a superbowl..........
 MGMLION
Joined: 4/29/2008
Msg: 277
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Posted: 12/12/2009 5:19:55 AM

Awe man. That would be like Walter Payton style sweetness. Never thought of those '72 Dolphins


The Cowboys will spoil the Saints unbeaten season "Texas Style" and the '72 Dolphins will bring the champagne
 newdejavu
Joined: 9/11/2009
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Posted: 12/12/2009 6:06:01 AM
Recent history would suggest otherwise than MGMLion's bold prediction next week. In 2006, the Saints pummeled the Cowboys 42-17. Sean Payton will out-coach Wade Phillips; and the game is in New Orleans. The Saints will still need this game to stay ahead of the Vikings. I say the Saints will put the voodoo on the Cowboys; Geaux Saints!
 SteelCity1981
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Posted: 12/12/2009 6:41:12 AM
If and I say "IF" the Cowboys beat the Saints, not only would that be a huge win for the Cowboys, but all this not winning in Dec talk will go right out the window if they beat a team like the Saints. It's do-able, the Redskins almost beat the Saints until they blew that last minute field goal and i'd consider the Cowboys as a much better team overall then the Redskins so who knows.
 petebelongs
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Posted: 12/12/2009 7:16:29 AM
MGM, no way the Cowboys leave the Dome with a victory! The Cowboys will be 8-6 for Xmas and desperate for a victory in Washington, with their playoff hopes hanging in the balance! Can you beat the Skins on the road and finish the season with a win over the Eagles? Hell, the Cowboys might be 8-8 come season's end!

Steel, you clearly have not closely watched the Saints play this year, perhaps other than the Monday night game against the Pats. The only guys that play a full game are the offensive line, Drew Brees, and maybe Harper, Sharper and Vilma. Everyone else gets rotated in and out based on the formations and plays. The running backs rotate, the tight ends rotate, Zach Strief (back-up offensive tackle) is often brought in as a tight end for blocking in some double tight end sets. Grant and Smith are the starting defensive ends but get rested and replaced by McCray and Charleston, Ellis and Ayodele start at defensive tackle but rotate out for Hargrove to play and Pressley if he's dressed that game. Our starting corners are already out and might play in the last game of the year, if healthy. Our wide receivers rotate, depending on the play, and Lance Moore (leading receiver from last year) has been out most of the season and might be back for the playoffs, but if he's ready to play, Payton will get him some playing time so he can get his rhythm and game legs back before the playoffs. Last week, kickoff returner/wide receiver Roby got several turns at wide out, while they rested Colston, Henderson or Meachem. On some sets Bush comes in at wide out resting one of the starters. If you look close on the other teams obvious passing downs, Shanley and/or Troy Evans (in for starter Fujita) come out for back-up safeties Prioleau, Young and Reis. Back-ups Torrence and Dunbar both saw lots of playing time before landing on injuried reserve. Mitchell comes in to spell Vilma and if you watch this week, I'll bet that you see the newly signed Waters and McCauley in for some plays. The only special teamers that play exclusively on special teams are the kickers and long snapper, with a big lead, you'll even see Brunell in at QB. The Saints dress 45 each game and you'll see almost all of them in the game on offense or defense besides the special teams plays. The Saints are truely a team effort!

WHO DAT? WHO DAT? WHO DAT THINK DE GONNA BEAT DEM SAINTS???

GEAUX SAINTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 SteelCity1981
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Posted: 12/12/2009 9:42:14 AM
Rotating your lineup is still putting risk on your starting players getting injured playing a meaningless game in an undefeated run and putting those players in a position to get hurt still.
 Deed50
Joined: 12/2/2007
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Posted: 12/12/2009 9:49:55 AM
^^^^^^^yeah but arent they still playing for home field advantage in the playoffs?
 SteelCity1981
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Posted: 12/12/2009 10:15:58 AM
Not if they lock it up to where no other team in the NFC is going to challenge them for home field advantage, which can happen if they win this week and next week with a Vikings loss.
 kulbrz
Joined: 11/17/2009
Msg: 284
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Posted: 12/12/2009 2:04:54 PM
That was nice to read Pete.. I dont get the news from Missouri, It sucks sometimes. So i rely on U guys to help me out sometimes ..Thanks by the way.
 skoochie
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Posted: 12/12/2009 2:39:28 PM

Rotating your lineup is still putting risk on your starting players getting injured playing a meaningless game in an undefeated run and putting those players in a position to get hurt still.


There is nothing meaningless about an undefeated season. The last few games become the most important when their making a run at perfection.

I agree players should be rested when the last games are meaningless, but the Saints and Colts are playing for something really important.
 newdejavu
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Posted: 12/12/2009 3:28:58 PM
but the Saints and Colts are playing for something really important.


I'd have to agree with skoochie on this. Could you imagine if the Colts and Saints were BOTH undefeated and met in the Superbowl?! That would be amazing! The Saints are a team of destiny this year; the improbable win over the Redskins last week seems to confirm this. Hey, it never hurts to have a little luck on your side.

The Colts seem to start out 10-0 quite a bit (except for last year) lately. I'm impressed they've done it with a new head coach this year.

Anything can happen once the playoffs start; but it would be complete magic to have two unbeaten teams in the Superbowl!
 SteelCity1981
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Posted: 12/12/2009 3:48:32 PM
There is nothing meaningless about an undefeated season. The last few games become the most important when their making a run at perfection.


But what does It really matter if you already locked up home field. Why put your team in a position to get your star players injured which could end up costing you the entire post season over a meaningless game just so you can say you went undefeated in the regular season, because in the end none of that matters if you can't win the Superbowl, Just go ask the guys that were on the 2007 patriots that.

Playing for something important would be the Superbowl as great as going undefeated is in the regular season it's not nearly important as winning the superbowl.
 newdejavu
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Posted: 12/12/2009 4:04:39 PM
Steel; I think everyone would agree winning the superbowl is THE most important thing. That being said, teams don't ever play to LOSE, do they?

Remember the 2004 Steelers; they were 14-1 going into Buffalo; nothing to play for (homefield was secure), they rested some players, and still won that game. (Unfortunately, Steelers lost AFC title game at home to Patriots that year)

It's a fine line; when teams get home field, they already get two weeks off. Do they want their starters to get too rusty? I could see resting guys who are dinged up, maybe pulling most starters at the half, but you still play to win.

Another great example is the 2007 Giants; they had nothing to gain by playing all their starters against the Pats at the end of the season, but by playing the Pats so tough, they gained momentum and confidence going into the playoffs. And we all know their story had a happy ending!
 SteelCity1981
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Posted: 12/12/2009 4:25:10 PM
No but you don't risk what you don't have to if nothing else is on the line, which is why the vast majority of playoff teams rest their starters going into week 17 if they don't have nothing to play for if nothing is at stake going into the playoffs.

There are other ways to prevent rust other then throwing them in a meaningless game and potentially having them get hurt. I mean that's what pratice and scremge games are for.

They didn't have anything to play for? How about holding on to the 5th seed.
 MGMLION
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Posted: 12/12/2009 5:07:20 PM

which is why the vast majority of playoff teams rest their starters going into week 17 if they don't have nothing to play for if nothing is at stake going into the playoffs.


I disagree you play all your starters in week 17 to remain unbeaten, then you have your bye week to start the post season and get to play those games at home.
 SteelCity1981
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Posted: 12/12/2009 5:26:24 PM
Ok so what if your star QB for example gets injured during that meaningless game that leads to a season ending injury, then what? You're screwed more then likely going into the playoffs. if that happened would you say well it was worth a shot at trying to go undefeated in the regular season even though our superbowl run went completely down the tubes, because we played him in a meaningless game inregards to our playoff position trying to go undefeated? I could give a rats ass about going undefeated, yeah it's nice but if it's going to put unnecessary risk in losing a star player playing a meaningless game that has no effect on our playoffs then it's just an unnnecessary risk to put that player in that position.
 MGMLION
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Posted: 12/12/2009 6:07:22 PM

Ok so what if your star QB for example gets injured during that meaningless game


What's the odds of that happening if he didn't get hurt in the first 16 games?
 SteelCity1981
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Posted: 12/12/2009 7:45:55 PM
Everytime you step onto that field you always risk injury regardless of the last games you played.

Are you saying you are willing to roll the dice with everything to lose and nothing to gain?
 kulbrz
Joined: 11/17/2009
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Posted: 12/12/2009 9:35:29 PM
You 2 arent even Saints fans lol
 skoochie
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Posted: 12/12/2009 10:11:54 PM
I hear what you're saying Steele. However, an undefeated season isn't meaningless. Ask the Patriots when they went undefeated. They played their starters to win their final game against the G-spots. So no, typically the undefeated season is worth risking injury to obtain.Why do we know who Czonka, Griese, and Morris are 37 years later? Because, they live in the record books as being the only undefeated team in the history of the NFL. Every team wants that stat. It's worth the risk. And, try benching Brees or Manning when they have a chance at perfection. Talk about creating a riff between coach and team leader. They're winners who want to win everything.

Now that I'm talking all this, the Saints will probably lose tomorrow. C'mon voodoo gods...don't let me jinx them.

Geaux Saints!!!!!
 SteelCity1981
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Posted: 12/12/2009 10:27:06 PM
Why do we know who Czonka, Griese, and Morris are 37 years later


Because they are hall of famers, and not just because they were on a team that went undefeated. If that was the case then everyone on that miami team would be well known to this day still for being on that team that year, but that def isn't the case.

So if Brady would have gotten injuried and would have been out for the playoffs back in that meaningless game how many people would have blasted Belchick for not sitting out Brady? Everyone. An undefeated record is only dressing on the superbowl salad. Sure it would be nice to have but what's the most important thing to all teams going into each season? A superbowl win, because that's what 32 teams play for each season and when you put your star players out on the field when playing a meaningless game you roll the dice of risking those star players to injuries in a game that had no importence that could end up screwing up your entire post season in the end.
 skoochie
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Posted: 12/12/2009 11:00:13 PM
I hear ya Steele, but there has been 43 SB teams, and one of them stands out amongst the rest when the NFL Network counts down the best team ever. Surely, every team wants to prevent the surviving Dolphins from uncorking their champagne.

I'm just saying the remaining games for the Colts and Saints aren't meaningless. They are becoming more important as they have the chance to make history. Pete copy and pasted a quote from Brees which made it clear Brees sees an undefeated season as being historical.

Just look at the Saints history of losing. They would like nothing more than to flip the storyline and become the best team of all time. The Colts don't have the stigma the Saints have, but they too would like to be the greatest team ever.
 petebelongs
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Posted: 12/13/2009 5:17:31 AM
Steel, you just don't get the team philosophy here. The Saints feel that they are a team of interchangable parts and they are going for the first round bye this week, the number one seed and home field advantage next week, the undefeated season after that and looking to win the Superbowl a few games after that! No retreat, no surrender, no resting! Injuries, they don't care about no stinking injuries, they care about making history! This excerpt tells the tale.


<div class="quote">The Saints have found a way to win every game so far, making them just the eighth team in NFL history to start the season 12-0. Another win will set a franchise record and lock up that bye, but New Orleans has bigger goals in mind.

Like beating out Minnesota (10-2) for top seed in the NFC, which would ensure the Saints of nothing but home games throughout the conference playoffs. That would put them in the best possible position to reach the Super Bowl for the first time in franchise history, the perfect antidote for a city still struggling to bounce back from Hurricane Katrina.

“It was exciting before, but now it’s really exciting, because each week now holds another prize at the end of it,” quarterback Drew Brees(notes) said. “You win this week, you secure a first-round bye. Maybe the next week or the week after you secure potentially the one seed and then potentially the week after that you have an opportunity to make history (at 16-0) and you’re in the playoffs, so it gets more and more exciting each and every week.”

This team lost their starting All-Pro left offensive tackle, the most important offensive lineman since he covers the QB's blind side, in the beginning of the year along with two tight ends. The Saints moved on. During the season we have lost our starting defensive tackle, starting fullback, our nickel package cornerback and backup outside linebacker/special teams captain all to injured reserve. The Saints moved on. The last three games have been played without our starting cornerbacks, both injured but expected to return this year. Have played with last year's leading receiver out most of the season with injuries. Have been missing one starting outside linebacker for several games. Have had each of our running backs out for several games through the season. And the Saints have moved on, still undefeated through it all.

These Saints want to do what the 2007 Pats weren't able to do and if they don't, it won't be for lack of trying!

GEAUX SAINTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 MGMLION
Joined: 4/29/2008
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Posted: 12/13/2009 5:26:07 AM
Steels way: If the team has already wraped up home field advantage but the team has one more regular season game to play, then Why even practice that week for the game. If it's a road game Why even waste time getting on the plane and traveling to another city. Why not just forfeit the game and say we're taking 2 weeks off to get ready for the post season.

My way you play to win the game and if the game is in hand with time left then take out the starters.
 kulbrz
Joined: 11/17/2009
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Posted: 12/13/2009 6:45:05 AM
If this is the Big talk then why do they make the money that they do? Id play em all in every game like they have been!!!!
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