| Wisdom..what indeed is Wisdom?
Posted: 4/23/2009 11:41:43 PM | What would you put up in it's place?
I would suggest life, and the necessary 'coupling' that follows then would be 'life worlds'...
Using the term consciousness requires a leap, and a bit of 'entiation' or 'mentation' and artefact.
So in place of 'retrospective analysis', entiation, and mental acts of symbolic recognition, there are life worlds. Each entity, whether conscious in the lessor or greater, thus enjoys a world living itself.
What worlds? Itself, thus speciation and other affinities are all the same....no degrees.
What worlds? It worlds. And that is the only synthetic....proposition. | |
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| Wisdom..what indeed is Wisdom?
Posted: 4/23/2009 11:58:35 PM | what, wisdom,
convergent _epistemes_ of an oracular frame, none the
less.
I like this quote from Whitehead:
"Each creative act is the universe incarnating itself
as one, and there is nothing above it by way of final
condition." [Transmission of Feelings, Process and
Reality]
If nature is inclined to hide itself, it may be so
because it is so intricate that it lies in wait and
expectancy for discovery, a discovery which always
comes too late for the full disclosure. Thus much is
left unsaid, and unheard, as it is talked about.
Excluding talk about ethics and purpose, nature, as
Jan, my friend, says,
"Indeed, to see a tree or a child actually
growing is impossible, because this growth
(process) goes too slow to observe the change with our
eyes immediately. Not without reason Herakleitos had
the nickname "the obscure", what he said always had
multiple layers of meaning, what he said was (meant
for) thinking and wondering, like this fragment with
it's deliberate ambiguous image shows to us."
This 'wondering' with it's speculative themes [ground]
of whatness and how-it-is-with-that-which-is-there, is
the first condition, and - possibly - the final
condition above which there is nothing. Human
histories, the _annulae_ are the annuals, and the
human condition, are the perennials, in this garden of
enflorescencing presentments, no? | |
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| Wisdom..what indeed is Wisdom?
Posted: 4/24/2009 5:08:50 AM | | Wisdom is when one has a direct experience with Devine Consciousness, which enables one to know "THE TRUTH OF EXISTENCE" and their Source of Being. | |
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| Wisdom..what indeed is Wisdom?
Posted: 4/25/2009 8:04:27 PM | | Indeed a very nice description of existence. We the perennials are folded (into) then presented as the "Annulae". Very nice and such a lovely metaphor. | |
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| Wisdom..what indeed is Wisdom?
Posted: 4/25/2009 10:36:32 PM | In the hebraic conception of being all is dynamic, the soul is a
"peregrinus", or a free soul that embarks on a journey while on earth;
there is no material heaven, a more or less a dynamic conception of
being, rather than static, as in the case of the ancient Greeks view
culminating in the Platonic heaven above the heaven that we can see, and
divine ideas persisting as eternal, immovable and immutable. Whereas the
judeo-xtian conception adheres to a god which became mortal, or as Jahveh
sometimes presses down, behaves like a whisper, whose word is active in
nature as phenomena, the christ is simply the imagination. Imagination
alone saves, and without charity one has really nothing.
Actually Aristotle called free laborers "peregrines" and this seems to
echo so much that is common in the literature on the subject of charity,
altruism, and other communitarian ethic precepts. I like the writings of
Erasmus and there is a commentary on Olivarius in his book "On Prophecy and the
Prophet Spirit":
"Ekstasis means in Latin mentis stupor (an amazement of the mind) or
alienatio (a loss of reason)."
Folly writes:
"It is truly abhorrent to the manifestation of the divine presence that
someone who is seized by the Godhead should be mindless (amentem); that,
when he begins to be full of the divine degrees, he should then be out of
his own mind (propria...mente excidat), and that he who is of use to others
with his utterances should be of no use to himself. To sum up: how can it
be fitting that anyone should be made very like a madman (simillimus
insano) by the Spirit of Wisdom, so that the Spirit of Understanding should
exclude coherency (cohaerentia)."
"Augustine (lib. 9 in Genes. qu. 80) said that, since ecstacy is accustomed
to be found in the revelation of great things, nobody should doubt that
prophets sometimes do experience ecstacy."
"...they fail to understand what they say in their ecstacy."
"... was enraptured ...he was not sufficiently in control of himself... the
vision made him act as though he were drunk...they had experienced a taste,
a *gustus*, of the divine."
"Peter spoke these things, not knowing what he said, as though drunk on the
sweetness of the vision."
"...like Folly's ecstatics...only saw through a cloud and were not fully
aware of it all - is brought to fore...."
"...a mind departing ecstacy fell upon him..."
"...the blessedness of such eternity the Christian fool will, if he is
enraptured, ecstatically glimpse: 'and this is one, thin little taste of
future happiness'."
"Socrates places forms of mania in four categories: the prophetic, under
Apollo; the mystic, under Dionysius; the poetic, under the Muses; the
anatomy, under Aphrodite and Eros. Of these four, that of the lover is most
to be desired (Phaedrus 233A - 245B; 265A, etc.) Leonardo Bruni, Pico,
Ficino, and many others made... [this} commonplace humanists." Erasmus:
Ecstacy and Praise of Folly, M.S. Screech.
True rapture is to be outside of oneself or in union with a vision, or
tasting, gustus, lightly, of eternal life. Since this life cannot be
purchased there is no obstacle to experiencing it, but the true lover whose
love is pure, and purity of heart is to will one thing, the quest for the
fulfillment of the longing of an-other is pure rapture whilst in
fulfillment. It is extra-ordinary being or mania. Altruism then is the
restlessness of the spirit, the infinite affirmation to quest...The lovers
joy is pure joy of the other. | |
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| Wisdom..what indeed is Wisdom?
Posted: 4/25/2009 10:50:59 PM | This quote sums it up best
Kwai Chang Caine "You think wisdom is a flower for you to pluck. It is a mountain and it must be climbed."
It's different for everyone because each of us must learn something another already knows, thus wisdom for each person differs. In the end we grow together :D | |
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| Wisdom..what indeed is Wisdom?
Posted: 4/25/2009 11:01:51 PM | A Garden of Rock
Talk to me baby
walk with me to the stars
whisk me from this planet
and take us to Mars
when we land
our knees in the sand
give me a kiss
to know where is land
& move this world up
upon a rock
is where I stand
somewhere over there
in this desolate place
are rosettes labile and light
made from lava and bright
pyrite thrusts from crevasse
below strong and smooth
glistening from below
circular overlapping flows
just like dark gardenias
glistening in dew
please take me away
from all this rock and edge
I can stand it no longer
my melting heart is ready
and waiting but just only
for you
i freeze | |
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| Wisdom..what indeed is Wisdom?
Posted: 4/26/2009 9:28:05 PM | Take this and run with this
Rocks, smile, pyrite thrusts from crevasse
never stepped on my toe, never did rock and edge
silence my becoming. I climbed, sought wisdom
look little purple flowers every spring.
And I lived and I breathed the many loves
I loved that became the cherish that I will take
to... the grave. do not wait. Love now, love here.
Love with the mighty sway of loving. Nothing replaces
loving from a distance, loving from ..I touch you.
I love with a thrust that defeats eternity. | |
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| Wisdom..what indeed is Wisdom?
Posted: 4/26/2009 11:18:55 PM | http://www.dl.ket.org/webmuseum/wm/paint/auth/gauguin/gauguin.swineherd.jpg
on one of our walks
on a thin wedge
a granite incline
blue downy
phlox diffusa
as light and iris
as a finlandic girl
graced terricaulous
lichen older than us
the inside flamed
sparse deleterious
descriptive | |
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| Wisdom..what indeed is Wisdom?
Posted: 4/28/2009 4:58:02 AM |
Wisdom isn't about learning new things, but understanding the things you know! Light Storm on 11/1/2008 5  54 PM
wisdom doesn't just understand the things you know, it also understands what you don't. at times it mediates between the things you do or omit to do. it also likes to play a part in figuring out the way you or others felt, or failed to. it's one busy little creature if you let it. but good answer
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| Wisdom..what indeed is Wisdom?
Posted: 4/29/2009 12:12:33 AM | | Understanding is not freely taken. There is much inteference. But Wisdom alerts here and there. Frequently ignored. Why not? When one is young you have time....when you are closer to death....what does it matter? It matters. Life should have great meaning. Yes. Life and the moment you are here matters. Each and every- body. I salute each and everyone. Flawed, so....? | |
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| Wisdom..what indeed is Wisdom?
Posted: 4/29/2009 4:53:32 AM | Widom is something to be sought and those who find it also find humility and grace
The wise tend not to boast and seem to have an understanding and acceptance of all things......
and as someone said earlier would not take the time to argue but would take the time to accept and ponder the opions of others as being just as valuable as their own........ | |
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| Wisdom..what indeed is Wisdom?
Posted: 4/29/2009 6:14:50 PM | | Wisdom is the absence of stupidity. remove all stupidity from your life and you will be wise. | |
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| Wisdom..what indeed is Wisdom?
Posted: 4/29/2009 8:51:17 PM | | knowledge is knowing 22x10=220..... wisdom is knowing where the elk hang out midday in your favourite hunting grounds | |
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| Wisdom..what indeed is Wisdom?
Posted: 4/30/2009 10:22:14 AM | | These are all great answers ..not sure what else I can add to it...but in my opinion, wisdom must come with life experience. It's the ability to make good choices, responsible decisions, set boundaries, make sound judgments and know when it's time to walk away from a destructive person, place or thing. Also, the wise don't have this terribly important need to go around defending their choices. They never second guess themselves. | |
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| Wisdom..what indeed is Wisdom?
Posted: 4/30/2009 5:37:32 PM | Also
Perhaps the wise do not judge, and leave judgments to others, so that if they are sanctioned to judge, then that is their predicament.
So to be wise means to 'judge not'.....unless it is sanctioned by the group.
If this premise is true, which I thing it is, then the wise cannot judge. However, that does not mean that the wise do not 'assess' conditions for 'judgment', nor warn when a judgment is indicated.
So the wise therefore are immensely wary, and can fore-warn those who may be judged...even if they think someone may win an Olympic medal, or may be diagnosed with a disorder.
The wise therefore are able to make a 'good speach at the banquet of being', which further, shows that there are wise people listening.
Know your audience,
chaocito | |
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| Wisdom..what indeed is Wisdom?
Posted: 4/30/2009 10:36:12 PM | | Wisdom is the ability to hold a bigger picture within your very small picture. Not many can do this. Not many at all. Most of all else is just talk. And talk , even educated talk, is cheap. | |
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| Wisdom..what indeed is Wisdom?
Posted: 5/1/2009 7:29:44 AM | I think wisdom is when nothing that happens in this world surprises you anymore ,this is a perculiar topsy turvy world......
The quotes about children being born are so vey true, children deserve so much more than the greater majority of them get ,and the world would be a better place if we placed our value on each birth and the whole world joined together for each birth as the miracle it is and give all its resorces to just one child every ten years this workd would be a much greater part of the univurse than it is ......
Our values are so wrong today......... | |
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| Wisdom..what indeed is Wisdom?
Posted: 5/1/2009 8:50:04 AM | | Wisdom is just a hyped up word making you sound smart, when in reality you've just observed things for a really long time... | |
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| Wisdom..what indeed is Wisdom?
Posted: 5/1/2009 10:11:09 PM | | Last post is so tired and cynical. Wisdom should not be scoffed at. You leave this earth with this tiresome view.... you did not get the magnificence of the whole picture. Just my opinion ....as was the last post's. Unless you were just attempting to be funny. Humour has its place in Wisdom. | |
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| Wisdom..what indeed is Wisdom?
Posted: 5/2/2009 8:20:00 PM | Erasmus wrote a book called "
The Praise of Folly". May be wisdom consists in knowing that you are not wise; this appeared to work for Socrates, until he was required to drink the deadly hemlock, which shortened his life!
So i guess he was not all that wise and neither did he profess to be wise. His widow outlived him. | |
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