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| Wisdom..what indeed is Wisdom?
Posted: 5/3/2009 8:10:48 PM | | A wise person never advertises. But the wise people I know are active and never seek accolades. | |
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| Wisdom..what indeed is Wisdom?
Posted: 5/5/2009 11:49:38 PM | | Wisdom is not only in learning from your mistakes in life, but in letting others learn from them as well. | |
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| Wisdom..what indeed is Wisdom?
Posted: 5/6/2009 9:49:00 PM | | How very true. How very hard not to express an educated, knowledge based opinion. I do not remember those who had nothing to say; I do remember those who stepped up to the bat and gave unpopular opinions. Their observations and courage to tackle somebody who was young, arrogant and so full of youth are now affectionately remembered. So where is the true way? | |
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| Wisdom..what indeed is Wisdom?
Posted: 5/6/2009 10:22:21 PM | there is an awesome video on You Tube by Barry Schwartz called When did we Stop Being Wise. If you search that it will pop up.
It may include character..a question asked by Aristotle about when we are more loyal if we disobey a rule rather than obeying it. Not less..And the book The Story of Edgar Sawtelle asks the same question about dogs, when is it more faithful of a dog to disobey rather than to obey..There are some amazing examples out there.
They have to do with understanding and comittment to the deeper purposes only the individual can grasp at the moment but which later becomes clear.
I think we can look back and say, this was wise, but looking forward we can only hope an action reflects wisdom. Only time will tell. | |
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| Wisdom..what indeed is Wisdom?
Posted: 5/6/2009 11:19:06 PM | *
There might be something to this. Is it 'essential predication' or something
less?
If it was less, then it would be highly arguable as to it's reality, no?
So he says.
To be 'essentially predicated' as to the act, which in this case was to be
in agreement, sympathy, with a particular political expression, seems to me
absurd. Always at the moment, it was never even understood, that was purely
and simply so. If it was understood as so at the moment, then it would be in
agreement universally as to it's ultimate practical nature, which it never
was. It was hidden, undisclosed, and even cloaked in something else, wunder.
So it was not yet of any consequence.
He says assertions, which are universally true, are based on hindsight. This
wilderville was only turning around onto it's self, seeming to reflect on a
lust which empathized with only what was expected, a sort of technological
solution, which then blossomed into madness. We are not yet free anywhere of
that yet. As you can still see, there are no solutions working. The climate
changes daily, and we only report on that. So it changes for the worst, and
we still wait and only comment. Yet what is not yet a priority is the
beginning of the 'reckoning' as our own has stated, amigoes.
Yet the earth continues to get scalded by us, as we drive along the desert
highway. When will we understand a thing? | |
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| Wisdom..what indeed is Wisdom?
Posted: 5/7/2009 12:02:22 AM | | Wisdom I think is inherited from your ancestory as well as life expeirence, I suck at spelling but, I am great with some of the aspects of wisdom. | |
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| Wisdom..what indeed is Wisdom?
Posted: 5/7/2009 12:07:20 PM | i completely disagree. Your linage has nothing to do with your wisdom. I have known very wise men who came from unwise fathers. Your intelligence has far more influence on your ability to attain wisdom than who your ancestors were. Smart people are born from dumb ones, and vice versa. To be wise you must first be smart and you must experience.
an example of wisdom for me is:
"On a dark night with no lights, letting the blind man lead you down the road. Unwise is letting him lead during daylight." | |
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| Wisdom..what indeed is Wisdom?
Posted: 5/8/2009 6:00:12 PM | Yes, I think wisdom CAN relate to inheritance..Although it does sound odd because we think wisdom is in the head but really its somewhere else. Not in our brain or learning but deeper..
The buddhist and Jews and different traditions give lineage strong consideration..
Let me give an example..
A flea will not get onto an old dog who doesnt have long to live. To a flea this is wisdom, he doesnt know why but the dog just seems bad to him. This is because his parent fleas didnt get onto old dogs and thats why this flea is alive. Otherwise his odds would not have been good..
So wisdom to a flea is inherited somehow..Yet lots of things humans do lead to disastrous results and we wonder what happened. Smart as we are were not as smart as this flea and we would get onto an old dying dog and spawn generations that will just end up starving when it dies..We lost the innate knowlege of what to do somehow by taking life into our clever conscious control that we think can solve anything, but is not wise..the more clever so often, the less wise we are and the more trouble we get into..
So in this sense yes, wisdom is inherited, or can be if we will let the knowlege our body has to heal itself and what is in every cell that makes us hungry or thirsty or tired..so we eat or drink or rest..and even more if we learn intuitive listening, we know stuff you would not imagine, just as any animal can if theyre not distracted by fear and greed or stress..Thats why we reflect or meditate or read and listen carefully..
Look for the bigger picture and let go of smaller perspectives.. | |
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| Wisdom..what indeed is Wisdom?
Posted: 5/8/2009 7:31:03 PM | Anyone read Jean Auel's books? The "Clan of the Cave Bear" series? this inherited wisdom that Wolfish describes brought to mind the Neanderthals that the author places as the reason that the Neanderthal's survived for so many years but also their demise and sadly is recognised by the elder in the clan who forsee's the clans future...
It's been awhile since I've read the books but basically she said that through genetic code their survival instincts were what helped them perform the tasks such as the men who hunted and the women who gathered... when the Cro-magnum child Ayla is saved and brought into the clan she isn't accepted because her whole thinking pattern is that she can sort and reason and cross over roles that they don't understand.
I do believe there is something inside us that whispers truth to us and it can be meant for our survival or it can be for our advancement. I don't think we have the restrictions genetically not to look forward as perhaps the poor Neanderthals possibly lacked but it's something to think about when we consider ourselves in this vast universe. That there is universal knowledge and really it would be a restriction upon the self to believe that it stops with education... | |
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| Wisdom..what indeed is Wisdom?
Posted: 5/8/2009 9:13:04 PM | You are starting to tread lightly on some paths familar to me. There was a
time when he only said everything in a certain way. He would say:
'I air a hear a haira plane' or 'when tele-first vision came' the noun
and the verb were transitive, infinitely substitutable as to position
within the sentence, the endings of words were moved around. He would
actually talk like this to strangers.
This reinvention of language revitalized. And could annoy.
He was always playing word games when no one was talking to him. He had
trouble speaking without interrupting his own narrative and changing what
he had said earlier. Discourse was as remote with him as was reading. His
style was constant erasure. I think maybe it worked off on me, since I
could never write properly like most people. My thinking still bends and
twists and confuses, even me. Elliptical, spiraling, vortextual
pollinating, gyric thrusts. I too was making up new words, switching the
order of the words, making it up. This ability seemed to affect the whole
town, the whole town it was not secret, had this ability. We would
collectively use words as nicknames, sobrequets, for someone, by
superimposition, lumber'k' sqwaker was the name of one boy, or
orvail'musel'huaman. There was the juxtaposition of the sharp cadence of K
words with the O and rounded which complemented the personalities of the
boys. Assonances, wily, weird and wonderful.
Philosophy is to bring into presence hiddeness.
The 'secret' is to eliminate narrative and deal with the exchange and
superimposition of image. The secret is contained in narrative since if the
meaning of the secret were public there would be no need for narrative.
De-narration is the present, the free flowing exchange of images. Like
de-ontological theories, de-narration is to narrate out, to take out of
narrative, to place it contextually where it was in the first place as the
happening, or this is not how it happened but I want it to happen, this is
happening, not it happened this way, each happening is then contextual, and
is actual, or what is intended later in the now of the relation of the
metaphor contained here in the happening, or as it happens.
The narrative has to be substantualized in the deed. The written word is as
death, frozen over, without life of its own, unless it reveals it's secret
and hidden meaning. This is what happens when a text is read or one
listens to talk, the metaphorical meaning, the sublimation is taken and
effervesed, fissed out, and let to exude into the aires clearly of where
meaning stands and reveals or speaks it's sowing. One has to want to move
into the waters of talk, to wiggle ones toes in it's ooze, to get beneath
it's skin, open up to its life, to become a part of the exchange of images.
What some people call meta-languages is not the same, this is discourse. We
are talking only about image, happening, the sowing in the clearing, the
movement betweent the hidden and the apparent. It could be called the
meta-narrative, but it is not meta- but is de -narrative, or to narrate
out, about, for, to make happen.
One has to sense there is a willy wah near, a gentle breeze on the check or
a whisper. The willy wah cannot be seen, but is there nevertheless in the
silent moment it's nearness, between images.
"A secret shared with several persons is as beneficial as a merely private
secret is destructive."
"...the hysterical subject who is very free with his emotions is generally
the possessor of a secret, while the hardened pychoasthetic suffers from
emotional indigestion."
Contrast this with Derrida in the use of "enpsychation" in the Translators
preface to Grammatology, (cf. Nietsche talk: Forgetting "is rather an
active and in the strictest sense positive faculty of repression..." The
translator: "deliberate repression"). Derrida and Nietzsche refer to
aesthetic experience though and not necessarily to repressing a secret, but
sharing it's unconcealment, as an active forgetting. Once it is disclosed,
it is no longer repressed, and it is then forgotten.
"To cherish secrets and hold back emotion is a psychic misdemeanor for
which nature finally visits us with sickness - that is, when we do these
things in private."
"Once the human mind had succeeded in inventing the idea of sin, man had
recourse to psychic concealment; or, in analytical parlance, repression
arose. Anything concealed is a secret. The possession of a psychic secret
acts like a poison that alienates their possessors from community. In small
doses, this poison may be an invaluable medicament, even an essential
pre-condition of individual differentiation, so much so that even on the
primitive level man feels an irresistible need actually to invent secrets:
their possession safeguards him from dissolving in the featureless flow of
unconscious community life and thus form deadly peril to his soul." C. Jung | |
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| Wisdom..what indeed is Wisdom?
Posted: 5/8/2009 9:43:18 PM | | Trulio...how very wise. All of these last words. But forgive all the stumbles and forgive those who never reveal their secrets. Forgiveness is another topic. | |
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| Wisdom..what indeed is Wisdom?
Posted: 5/8/2009 9:46:31 PM | Wisdom is the Intelligence of the Soul. We all have the same potential for Wisdom, God made it fair that way. Which makes Wisdom MORE important than Intelligence, which is just a neater filing cabinet between the ears thanks to a lucky roll of the "Genetic Dice". Intelligence is knowing how to build Weapons. Wisdom is knowing when to use them. Wisdom is learned from experience, is always taught out of love and compassion, and transcends 3-dimensional thinking. Wisdom is good for the many, not just the one. Wisdom comes from a higher place, therefore possessing it enables one to higher thinking if they so choose. Again, it's all about choice. The universe is a sea of wisdom and we are merely its conduits. If we close our minds and souls to it, it will pass us by, like many other wonderful energies such as Love.
Live long, and Phosphor!
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| Wisdom..what indeed is Wisdom?
Posted: 5/9/2009 12:10:24 AM | | ..And love comes from sources other than human. What else explains children who suffer mightily at the hands of witless parents and survive and understand that wisdom is this tiny nudging to be paid attention to. You are a part (small) of the Universe but you have the power to understand and become a piece that fits into a pattern that is the path to true wisdom and eventually the freedom to die with some semblance of peace. | |
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| Wisdom..what indeed is Wisdom?
Posted: 5/9/2009 12:41:55 AM | humble
the more I know the less I know [open a can of worms]
dont be a smart ass
dont lose patients with a smart ass
dont lose patients with yourself
following the heart has gotten more people into trouble then anything
finding the true meaning of love [most havent a clue]
being aware of your own spirituality
sorry I opened my mouth | |
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| Wisdom..what indeed is Wisdom?
Posted: 5/10/2009 7:41:25 PM | | Is love a silent voice that visits infrequently and reminds you that yours and other lives's retain some semblance of meaning? Love is so infrequently active. Love is more often spoken.... rather than acted upon. Fortunately at times the senses, the heart, the mind open and you embrace the motion of loving. Oh and it makes all senses right! | |
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| Wisdom..what indeed is Wisdom?
Posted: 5/10/2009 10:12:31 PM |
60to70 :Throughout my life I have strived for Wisdom. I believe it is the great comfort of Old Age and the reason that we live. What is Wisdom? I do not believe that Wisdom resides exclusively in any of the accepted disciplines...be they scientific, philosophical, etc. Please offer all and any definition.
Bill Gates Sr. has a new book out which I love and in it he speaks of the constant curiously his son Bill Gates had a child which has continued all his life and that from curiously comes knowledge and from knowledge comes wisdom that gets passed down to the next generation.
~Beth~ | |
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| Wisdom..what indeed is Wisdom?
Posted: 5/15/2009 10:48:49 AM | | In my definition, wisdom comes from learning; learning happens in several ways. Wisdom may also be innate through inheritance or advantage genotype.Wisdom therefore becomes the ability to rationalise, prioritise, think, and apply that which has been learned or aqcuired; either conciously or unconciously. | |
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| Wisdom..what indeed is Wisdom?
Posted: 5/28/2009 10:22:08 PM | | You take Wisdom and wake up in the morning and get busy and forget about your emotional feel and your investments and your work politics and your dreams, your desires and your fatal conditioning and throw the whole package out with the garbage and free yourself to venture for the first time into the world free to understand that you will never understand and that this too is allrite and then real fear will seize your being and you collapse and then you get up and get busy being somewhat humbled and ready to become a conduit for the bell that has rang endlessly in your head but you chose to ignore the ringing but now you won't. How did you ever ignore it??? Was it worth it??? Not a chance. By the way, correct your children more than less and don't forget that your touch is magical and healing and love them with your touch gently. | |
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| Wisdom..what indeed is Wisdom?
Posted: 6/9/2009 11:53:16 AM | Ah wisdom wisdom. it's what I feel when I touch an apple from a tree watch a leaf blowing in the wind listen to the bleating of a lost lamb rush up the hill to take in the magic
it's just feelings
Everyone has different stuff | |
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| Wisdom..what indeed is Wisdom?
Posted: 6/9/2009 9:10:38 PM | | Wisdom is that little bit of extra that imbues physical sensation and feelings. Wisdom connects one to the past, the present and prepares one for the future. Wisdom is the force that saves one from the cacaphony of life. Wisdom will not allow sleep when there is important emotional and spiritual work to be done. Wisdom contains all of the age-old symptoms...anxiety, mental unrest, fear, acedie, etc. A call to wake up and act and seek in accordance with the past, the present, the future. And do something of real value. | |
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| Wisdom..what indeed is Wisdom?
Posted: 6/10/2009 7:39:19 PM | Wisdom is the knowledge gained from observations of the consequences of decisions made without it.
In that experience is the best teacher, I suspect that the wisest of men are older, and were very unwise in their younger days. | |
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| Wisdom..what indeed is Wisdom?
Posted: 6/11/2009 9:42:49 PM | | How true JDukky. But both men and women always knew better. Impulse and acting upon impulse is not Wisdom. Yet, Wisdom that is hard gained is the sweetest Wisdom of all. Even into the long nights of very old age. | |
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