| Wisdom..what indeed is Wisdom?
Posted: 6/13/2009 1:21:33 PM | great thoughts... just a simple thought an old friend once passed on when i was an intellectual giant, many years ago...
any fool can learn from his own mistakes
a wise person learns from the mistakes of others...
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| Wisdom..what indeed is Wisdom?
Posted: 6/14/2009 8:37:55 PM | | Wisdom is more difficult to attain. Too much knowledge, too much self, too much glitter and not enough gold. | |
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| Wisdom..what indeed is Wisdom?
Posted: 6/14/2009 9:02:44 PM | Acquired wisdom is the sense to recognize wisdom in another's advice.
Earned wisdom is not needing to hear it. | |
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| Wisdom..what indeed is Wisdom?
Posted: 6/14/2009 10:36:40 PM | | How do you earn Wisdom? You are willingly to face a very dark night without help. Advice is cheap and easily available. Everywhere. And by help I also include any of the artificial means of listening. Drugs, alcohol, etc. etc. I love the idea of our First Nations who sought Wisdom through a "Walk Alone". It usually applied to the men, but women find the "Walk Alone" later in life after childbirth and nurturing.This also included the Maori of Australia. I think they termed it the..."Walkabout". How very neat and wise. | |
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| Wisdom..what indeed is Wisdom?
Posted: 7/3/2009 1:26:41 AM | | Wisdom is the person who helps you to recognize that you are indeed talking through your hat and should probably be still. | |
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| Wisdom..what indeed is Wisdom?
Posted: 7/3/2009 1:49:26 AM | | Yes. Truth liberates. It never imprisons. Accepting truth in its inevitable hardness is the beginning of becoming wise. | |
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| Wisdom..what indeed is Wisdom?
Posted: 7/7/2009 12:19:32 AM | At the front door..."Wisdom will be sought"
At the back door..."Wisdom left."
Look, each spring a robin sings at your door.
At twenty, thirty and eighty.
where in the hell where you?
What kept the light of the absolute
from reaching into you?
did you ever just, just, just, stop.
Then with silence.....say...I love you.
this also included the robin. | |
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| Wisdom..what indeed is Wisdom?
Posted: 7/7/2009 4:57:55 AM |
At the front door..."Wisdom will be sought"
At the back door..."Wisdom left."
Look, each spring a robin sings at your door.
At twenty, thirty and eighty.
where in the hell where you?
What kept the light of the absolute
from reaching into you?
did you ever just, just, just, stop.
Then with silence.....say...I love you.
this also included the robin.
How lovely! But is this an example of wisdom, or good-heartedness or universal love? It has yet to be demonstrated that "wisdom" and "love" may be synonymous. Indeed, surely there are occasions when the wisest thing one can do is to withhold love? | |
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| Wisdom..what indeed is Wisdom?
Posted: 7/7/2009 11:38:01 PM | Summary
1. Defender of the True Faith.
2. Some quotes from Nikos Kazantzakis's "The Saviours of God" used to
illustrate the power of the word, and the power of phenomenon. Contrast the
immobility of the word with the mobility of phenomenon.
3. Discussion of the book "The Cloud of Unknowing". The introduction of
the book says that knowledge of God can be achieved. The knowledge of God is
obtained by hard work [concentration on God's goodness] which eventually
becomes a habit in the form of longing and desire. At the end of the book
the author maintains that God is perceived as a nothing, or cloud of
darkness by the 'outer man' but as a blinding flash of light by the 'inner
man'.
4. The author maintains that for contemplatives there are 'helps' which
consist in thinking, reading and praying. He says that these methods are
mere 'helps', provide comfort and sweetness. These helps are irrelevant to
the 'true' contemplative. For instance
"Meditation is...the sudden recognition and groping awareness of [my]
wretchedness, or God's goodness. There has been no prior help from reading
or sermons, no special meditation on anything whatever. This sudden
perception and awareness is better learned from God than man."
Also "But don't study these words, for you will never achieve your object
so, or come to contemplation; it is never attained by study, but only by
grace....therefore pray [meditate]....Not in many words, but in a little
word of one syllable."
Thinking becomes effective as meditation when the object of the thinking
becomes more and more worthy in contrast with the contemplatives own state
of wretchedness. So there is the meditation referred to which follows apon
reading, and the 'recognition' that does not follow from reading.
5. A short discussion of the faculties of the soul from the end of the
"Cloud of Unknowing". | |
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| Wisdom..what indeed is Wisdom?
Posted: 7/8/2009 7:32:29 AM | "Wisdom" is listening to me and what I say.....not taking that advice..."Meh...you're on your own..."
Ok...maybe not. But it really bugs me when I can clearly see something coming at me (life-wise) and can't stop it...and warn those around me about it. They say fool things like "No...that can't happen...blah,blah,blah..." But then when it does it comes a huge shock! I mean, jeeze...they were told it was gonna happen. Didn't listen because "I" said it...and can't understand it.
Ah well....
If I was "wise" I'd be rich...but I ain't and I ain't! | |
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| Wisdom..what indeed is Wisdom?
Posted: 7/8/2009 11:11:08 PM | | Substitute in my last post...love...and replace it with "saw" re: seeing. As yna6 suggested. But..if at all possible...do not withold love when it is necessary. | |
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| Wisdom..what indeed is Wisdom?
Posted: 7/9/2009 9:56:17 AM | This may've been submitted already but my definition of wisdom is:
"the application of knowledge to achieve a desired outcome or to avoid an undesired outcome." | |
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| Wisdom..what indeed is Wisdom?
Posted: 7/9/2009 6:28:03 PM | | Wisdom is the natural embrace of "what is", the consistent choice to savor life "as it is", a dedication to to the moment in which one is, and the cultivated ability to both accept and appreciate that this is all there is. | |
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| Wisdom..what indeed is Wisdom?
Posted: 7/9/2009 9:46:02 PM | | K... the quotes are beautiful... but did one accept at the time events like the Holocaust that were preceded than followed by many more mass trajedies. I have a problem with popular quotes such as..."It is all good." Actually, a big problem. But there is a strong seduction in believing that one has a "cultivated ability" to appreciate that this then is it. A certain woe sets in after the contemplation. Peace. | |
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| Wisdom..what indeed is Wisdom?
Posted: 7/11/2009 9:03:05 PM | | Learning from others mistakes is not possible. Ever. Each tableau that is a life is dependent on YOU connecting to the script that is you. lol... and imagine a bunch of silly things dancing around. smile. Remember your history. Under the noses of so many... travesty was not questioned or stopped until it got very bad. | |
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| Wisdom..what indeed is Wisdom?
Posted: 7/11/2009 9:52:13 PM |
K... the quotes are beautiful... but did one accept at the time events like the Holocaust that were preceded than followed by many more mass trajedies. I have a problem with popular quotes such as..."It is all good.
I did not say "it's all good", I merely said it is what it is. The point being that most of one's personal suffering is much more related to perspective and perspective is something we all have the power to work at and change. Wisdom is, among other things, both truly understanding this and being willing to do more than say it.... work, to be sure, but worthy work. | |
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| Wisdom..what indeed is Wisdom?
Posted: 7/11/2009 10:24:27 PM | | It is what it is only briefly. One must rather quickly, if you are on board with accepted "wisdom", decide. Do you accept the status quo and forget what is happening right under your nose? You are right. It is worthy work to be done. It is not rocket science to decide who is fortunate and who is not. Is this what you mean by perspective? Do you offer the necessary hand to the unfortunate? I have a hard time with words arranged in a delicate and intellectual way. That is often easy to do. What is more difficult is how you arrange your life. Stop and help when you can. Simple but powerful. | |
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| Wisdom..what indeed is Wisdom?
Posted: 7/11/2009 10:25:47 PM | | I do not see that we are disagreeing. I'm a big believer in 'just because' myself and remain certain that, should it ever really catch on, things would improve rather dramatically. | |
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| Wisdom..what indeed is Wisdom?
Posted: 7/12/2009 11:47:34 PM | Ephemerata are the things which last only briefly. Some of these are 'hymenoptera', lazy thinsations, winged diaphonous, and elusive,
so that when aroused,
they take flight,
and set sail for a far off
and distant ovary
or sun/son
or heaven/paradise'
or place de la concorde | |
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| Wisdom..what indeed is Wisdom?
Posted: 7/13/2009 10:49:05 AM | I think Jimi Hendrix said it best :
"Knowledge speaks, but wisdom listens."
Concise and right on the money. | |
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| Wisdom..what indeed is Wisdom?
Posted: 7/14/2009 10:02:05 PM | | Jimi Hendrix was half right. There is no escaping knowledge. But...with slyness and ignorance...there is permission to ignore the call to wisdom. | |
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