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 tsukuru

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Posted: 7/15/2009 7:18:29 AM
Wisdom, ultimately derived from the ancient Greek for willow, if I remember correctly.
 60to70

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Posted: 7/20/2009 12:18:25 AM
The willow bends and dances with the wind. Yep. Not many humans do that very elementary dance. Wisdom is a dance that celebrates and has nothing to do with negating life.
 alivia3love

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Posted: 7/20/2009 4:09:55 PM
RE: WISDOM JUST GLAD TO HEAR FROM SOMEONE MORE MATURE!!! PLEASE, GIVE US A VOICE!!!! DO NOT CALL US GUYS AND GALS!! NOT ME ANYWAY!!

WISDOM = EXPERIENCE. ALIVIA3LOVE
 Trulio

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Posted: 7/20/2009 11:08:31 PM
nay, most willows, salix, do not dance and bend with the wind, only for a brief spell, do they thus.

these rather diminuitive plants spend most of their time frozen, beneaths snow, or leafless, and frozen above the snow.

Although some salix species grow very large, eg. Salix babylonica, all native species to BC, all 29 species are small, such as the Salix arcticus, which lives only above tree-line, as it is only 20-40 cm tall, and is usually covered in snow. Only from July to September does it see direct sunlight.

Okay what makes salix so special?

It is what is referred to as a riparian or proto riparian species. It establishes quickly and very soon after a flood, or fire, where the soil is moist, since the seed of the salix lives for only 24 hours. It must germinate on damp soil, in the spring. And there are only two types of vacancies: recently burned over forest, or meadow, and recently flooded and scoured alluvium. Or glacial outwash, or avalanche chute....

The subnivean environment therefore that is created by willow in the boreal and suboreal forests of NA and Asia therefore are modified by willow, to the extent that many microtines are able to flourish - much more so than the case wherein Salix did not flourish and establish.

Spater,

T?
 ...rosie.......

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Posted: 7/20/2009 11:32:47 PM
so trulio...what is wisdom mr. smarty pants?!!!

for me
wisdom is experience
that teaches us
to live deeper
fuller, more happily


 aremeself

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Posted: 7/21/2009 2:37:26 AM
human originated "truth" will always change.
 Zostera

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Posted: 7/21/2009 7:04:14 PM
To be wise is to know the extent and the limit of influence.
 Trulio

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Posted: 7/21/2009 10:16:56 PM
To be wise is to admit to knowing nothing. That way you can only learn, and record. That is why I believe in 'nobaddadio' or as Blake referred to him as 'nobadaddy'.

Which is the contraction of 'no bodies daddy'

If you think closely about it, the daddy up there, is not your daddy or any one elses daddy, but is considered the daddy of all, even those who are not yet born. Which belief is foolish and silly and needs examination.
 60to70

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Posted: 7/21/2009 11:20:16 PM
Wisdom has nothing to do with admitting you know nothing! Wisdom does not absolve you from weight of your experience and knowledge. Wisdom is always about learning and recording and acting accordingly. Otherwise, you are spinning in a Universe without the necessary security to become enlightened. And....whoever proved that it was daddy that was the daddy of all? And you are always enlightened within reasonable boundaries. There is no possibility that all of infinite knowledge could be contained in each and every life. The ramifications would be felt all over this earth. Otherwise, lets just keep creating the pieces that make up the Whole.
 Khyrene

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Posted: 7/22/2009 5:57:02 AM
Wikipedia has a fairly good read on wisdom: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wisdom

The previous poster is incorrect in the statement that the word 'Wisdom' comes from "Willow". The etymology is as follows:

Wise
Origin: bef. 900; ME (adj.), OE wīs; c. D wijs, G weise, ON vīss, Goth -weis; akin to "wit"

Wit
Origin:
bef. 900; ME witen, OE witan; c. D weten, G wissen, ON vita, Goth witan to know; akin to L vidēre, Gk ideîn to see, Skt vidati (he) knows. See "Wot".

Wot
Origin:
ME woot, OE wāt; c. G weiss, ON veit, Goth wait, Gk oîda, "I have seen, I know", Skt "veda".

The ultimate 'meaning' of Wise, hence 'Wisdom' is 'to know', so the statement that 'admitting you know nothing' is also a bit off kilter. Skepticism is not necessarily wisdom, just like saying you know something is not necessarily wisdom, but actually knowing something doesn't require that you say you do, does it?

The general context of 'wisdom' these days is a combination of intellectual skill and socio/emotional/psychological/[insert type here] skill that, together, provide one with the ability to both say the right thing, say it well, say it when it is needed or, most importantly, know when not to say it at all.

Which leads me to the quote/mis-quotes upon which I'll end:

"Better to be thought wise than to open your mouth and be proven a fool."

"Better to be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt."
 coveredinpaint

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Posted: 7/22/2009 7:27:29 AM
Knowledge is of the past. Wisdom is of the future.
 aremeself

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Posted: 7/22/2009 2:14:27 PM
admitting confusion., sometimes totally so!

for a long time, even!!

even now!

still!!
 Riki19

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Posted: 7/22/2009 8:17:20 PM

Wisdom..what indeed is Wisdom?


Wisdom is the ability to make it through life with the least amount of headaches.
 ...rosie.......

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Posted: 7/22/2009 10:07:30 PM
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 Trulio

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Posted: 7/22/2009 11:58:45 PM
I worship the hidden order of....things, when I have the time....
 60to70

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Posted: 7/23/2009 10:08:48 PM
When you are young the hidden order of things is tantalizing. When you approach older age, the hidden order of things is over. You then KNOW that... there is more. You are not guessing and you do not need time. This is not sad but.... even more tantalizing.
 Trulio

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Posted: 7/23/2009 11:39:31 PM
Sarss,

I agree staying on course is considered the path of the wise.

What though is considered the best of the wise paths?

Although being wise means acting and thinking positively, what then is the relationship between being wise and acting in the best interests of a child?

For instance it may be wise not to beget children. What is best for children may not consist of wisdom at all, but merely the 'best interests' of the child, which are adduced differently for each child.

Wisdom and Praise are different, but not mutually exclusive, and that is the problem with philosophy and subtilty....

At the other end of the continuum is folly, and folly can be praised....if you are a good parent.
 goodvibes32

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Posted: 7/24/2009 12:11:17 AM
Wisdom to me means knowing what to do ,say and show no matter what the situation,and
Understanding your own actions and thoughts and there influence on others.

I think Knowledge and Experience can aid your wisdom, not automatically give you wisdom.
 60to70

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Posted: 7/24/2009 12:37:13 AM
Wisdom is never divorced from knowledge and experience. Trulio, as a good parent you impart a freedom for your child to explore and live beyond your expectations. Always. True that wisdom does not follow age and experience, but, also true that wisdom calls with a great democracy. Wisdom is the greatest gift that is often denied.
 Trulio

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Posted: 7/24/2009 7:58:08 PM
THANKS,

I liked that. You have to praise folly when parenting, since folly leads to discovery;discovery to fascination; fascination to occupation; occupation to revelation, et cetera.

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 60to70

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Posted: 7/26/2009 5:59:33 PM
No, not folly. A concious, disciplined effort to offer your child unconditional regard. Hard to do....and not often achieved.
 60to70

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Posted: 9/9/2009 10:29:46 PM
Wisdom is the courage to engage face to face and understand that nobody, especially you is perfect. If you are then loved you are in the court of living wisdom.
 --Brightspark--

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Posted: 9/11/2009 12:02:19 PM
Wisdom sets someone aside from the blind majority.

It seperates those who need to be taught from those who's duty it is to teach.
 60to70

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Posted: 9/13/2009 9:56:53 PM
Separates , yes, but understanding and keeping a wise grip on oneself is the challenge. You are never responsible in the end for anybody's choices but your own. It is difficult to observe oneself and others sink into the mire.
 Thorb

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Posted: 9/13/2009 10:34:27 PM
you cannot objectivly observe oneself ... period ; end of that aspect of wisdom.

wisdom guides you through the now with the least opposition and best results for your personal situation.

never praise folly
accept its enevitability
encourage play
praise success

praising things that don't deserve it create future social problems for that child you love ... be honest and tolerent if you really want to help your children in their future.
Remember... its their future ... not yours.
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