| Wisdom..what indeed is Wisdom?
Posted: 11/10/2008 10:32:29 PM | | What is wise about immortality? I put my hand under my chin and thought and thought and then decided that I would never choose to be immortal. Never. I will however welcome being a steadfast memory and move on and away. Somewhere in the posts the notion of Zen was introduced and the willingness to take upon oneself the grand and frightening adventure of Death is very Zen indeed. The breathtaking amount of detachment required to die is beyond words and applies to both painful and graceful death. I think that humour has also a big and important place in Wisdom. | |
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vedin
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| Wisdom..what indeed is Wisdom?
Posted: 11/10/2008 11:13:42 PM |
The breathtaking amount of detachment required to die is beyond words and applies to both painful and graceful death.
Your breathtaking detachment in preparation for death is irrelevant. You die regardless of your will.
“What is wise about immortality? “ That statement doesn’t even make sense. Perhaps it should read “What is desirable about immortality?” My personal response is – nothing! I look forward to the abyss. | |
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| Wisdom..what indeed is Wisdom?
Posted: 11/11/2008 12:44:26 AM | | So..what is wise about DESIRING immortality? I look forward to the abyss also. But, wisely, I'll hold your hand if you hold mine. Wisdom also dictates that being a porcupine has its advantages in nature but not in this sphere. Will has never had anything to do with what is beyond my control. I accept and then am released. | |
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| Wisdom..what indeed is Wisdom?
Posted: 11/11/2008 7:07:41 AM |
Throughout my life I have strived for Wisdom. I believe it is the great comfort of Old Age and the reason that we live. What is Wisdom? I do not believe that Wisdom resides exclusively in any of the accepted disciplines...be they scientific, philosophical, etc. Please offer all and any definition.
Wisdom is the by-product of the worldly wise, the few have lived fearlessly to enjoy the true nature of "self and their place" in the universe.
It goes back to the simple question, "Who are you?" ~ if you know that ~ you are person that is "impossible" to offend.
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| Wisdom..what indeed is Wisdom?
Posted: 11/11/2008 7:29:44 AM | People crave immortality so much that they try to find an answer or a permanent cure/object to stop us from dying.
What some people don't understand, is that sometimes we try so hard to live up to something, that we forget who we are and regret it on our deathbeds.
The saying goes "life life to the fullest." Some people say, well you can do whatever you please just don't harm another, you can't, then you would be perfect, what you do is always going to offend someone regardless of the sitiuation.
If I remember correctly a conversation between Socrates and Diotima, Diotima stated that we seek immortality through re-generation, biologically we are programmed for sex but it isnt a solution, then we could always go on a animal rampage of sex. Rampage of Sex, I mean sleeping with just about anything.
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vedin
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| Wisdom..what indeed is Wisdom?
Posted: 11/11/2008 7:48:02 PM | Then 60to70, we can walk together, hand in hand through this meaningless universe, unto the relief of the nothingness from which we have come.  | |
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| Wisdom..what indeed is Wisdom?
Posted: 11/11/2008 10:26:34 PM | Perhaps wisdom is perception
processed
within a 'positive' experiental context
which leads
to a balanced overall perspective.
I really had to 'dig up'something to say since by the time I got to this thread so many others had described it so well
I do so dislike 'appearing' redundant
I know,,,
WISDOM IS 'EGOLESS'
,,,oooops I guess 'egoless' isn't a recognized word
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| Wisdom..what indeed is Wisdom?
Posted: 11/12/2008 9:14:44 AM |
WISDOM IS 'EGOLESS'
,,,oooops I guess 'egoless' isn't a recognized word
very good! ~ and if not ~ it should be,
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| Wisdom..what indeed is Wisdom?
Posted: 11/12/2008 10:54:20 PM | I tend to side with the posts that state that Wisdom embodies the notion that we are humble enough to recognize that we do not know All... that (always) Ego should be under the stern hand of your guidance. Otherwise, you become (quickly)a pain and sorrow to your small circle. Anywhere. What guides the Ego? Could it be Wisdom?
I will definitely hold anyone's hand that believes that from Nothingness we spring.. and then with dryness to Nothingness we go. Too much beauty exists to refute the notion of nothingness. No matter how strapped you may be. | |
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| Wisdom..what indeed is Wisdom?
Posted: 11/15/2008 8:02:10 PM | Wisdom has actually been well defined for centuries, and it has been done in one short sentence, which reads:
''Knowing how to differentiate insignificant things from truly significant ones.''
If you per chance mastered the art of doing so - you are WISE...tricky part is that it's not as easy as it seems
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| Wisdom..what indeed is Wisdom?
Posted: 11/15/2008 8:31:32 PM | Wisdom is the acquired ability to avoid looking like an idiot.
Wisdom is quiet resignation; he smokes a pipe and he dates my grandmother.
Wisdom is a spirit of knowledge, much like love is the spirit of caring and apricot brandy is the spirit of my choice.
Wisdom and utter, gullible stupidity must not be confused with each other.
Wisdom does what wisdom sees.
Wisdom calls them as he sees them.
Wisdom comes with maturity, insight and intellect. And always knowing where the nearest bar is located.
Wisdom is knowing that a woman is like a fresh flower, so beautiful, expensive and hard to come by.
Wisdom is remembering her birthday and the wedding anniversary.
Wisdom is stopping at one child.
Wisdom is not reading the philosphers but knowing what they say anyway.
Wisdom is the material that seesoothsayers and teeth are made of. And maybe amalgam fillings.
I'm going to fall of the chair I'm so tired. Wisdom is siding with your senses when they have an argument with reason or with wishes. | |
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| Wisdom..what indeed is Wisdom?
Posted: 11/15/2008 8:50:08 PM | "
True wisdom is knowing that you know absolutly nothing.
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Somebody here said that.
Well, it worked for Socrates, but I'm sure it doesn't work quite that simply for all of us. You see, Socrates proved it logically, whereas we just keep parroting it as if admitting to no knowledge made us look wise.
Well, let's say that the statement above, made by many over the centuries, is true. Then if you possess wisdom, you must know absolutely nothing. If you know absolutely nothing, you don't know that knowing nothing is wisdom, since you know nothing. But that's the exact opposite of the very same statement.
Some call this sort of reasoning a paradoxical statement. Some call this sort of paradoxical statement an object which helps promote a self-perpetuating and complete lack of wisdom. | |
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| Wisdom..what indeed is Wisdom?
Posted: 11/16/2008 10:07:50 PM | | Wisdom entails the making of right choices. Truely knowing God. And knowing how lead others to God. | |
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| Wisdom..what indeed is Wisdom?
Posted: 11/16/2008 10:16:35 PM | | THWSN.....Knowledge should lead to wisdom...but it often doesn't. Hence, maybe the statement that wisdom is an awknowledgement that one knows NOTHING. I do not think that being on the path of Wisdom involves pride in what you did to achieve Wisdom. Like the Buffy Ste. Marie song that mentions ...."you could smell the lack of Wisdom on their breath." From "Lies and Coincidences" circa 1993? | |
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| Wisdom..what indeed is Wisdom?
Posted: 11/16/2008 10:36:15 PM | You seem to be confusing wisdom with superstition....
Is Existence superstition? Existence is God. There is none else.
Furthermore, there is no wisdom nor understanding against Existence. | |
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| Wisdom..what indeed is Wisdom?
Posted: 11/17/2008 8:12:03 AM | Personally, I'm of the opinion that true wisdom is usually common sense knowledge that when applied offers a positive outcome and makes living with other people less complicated and creates less conflict. Basically, it's tact, realism, helpful values and the correct and appropriate application of them.
That's why I believe calm discussion is infinitely preferable to an argument, whatever benefits your life as well as society at large is wisdom.
When making a decision I always try to think in terms of; if everyone in the world acted in this way, what would the consequences be?
Humility is a quality that I believe is generally found among those I would call wise, I like this quote from Aristotle;
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.
Wisdom cannot exist without tolerance. | |
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| Wisdom..what indeed is Wisdom?
Posted: 11/17/2008 8:15:18 AM | | Btw, whoever said wisdom is gnosis is close, but not on the button, gnosis is knowledge, wisdom is sophia, hence a philosopher is a lover of wisdom. | |
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| Wisdom..what indeed is Wisdom?
Posted: 11/17/2008 8:54:47 AM | | Wisdom is knowing what works. It is when you have something to do and know how to do it. It is when you can explain how an action and reaction relate. It is the practical application of knowledge to achieve a desired result. It is the difference between your butt and a hole in the ground. | |
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| Wisdom..what indeed is Wisdom?
Posted: 11/18/2008 10:46:55 PM | | Aristotle also remarked that "all he knew was just straw in his lap" at the end of his life. Was this just a reference to the power of God? was this the path we all arrive at as we age? I do not feel as certain as I did when I was younger. I would often use the expression "butt and a hole in the ground" but I no longer feel that conclusive. Aristotle also apparently mentioned the merits of "tolerance". Easy to say, hard to do. Very hard to to do. "open up, listen to the blasts of divinity". | |
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| Wisdom..what indeed is Wisdom?
Posted: 11/19/2008 4:50:35 AM | "Knowledge should lead to wisdom...but it often doesn't. Hence, maybe the statement that wisdom is an awknowledgement that one knows NOTHING."
60-70, I merely pointed out an irrefutable paradox inherent in a statement. On the other hand, if knowledge does not lead to wisdom in all cases, it still does not at all mean that ignorance is wisdom. This is analogous to: If I don't speak Urdu but speak English, I cannot say in Urdu "please give me a glass of water". But if I don't speak English, there is a high probability that I still cannot say "please give me a glass of water" in Urdu.
"I do not think that being on the path of Wisdom involves pride in what you did to achieve Wisdom. " ??? How is this relevant to pointing out a mere paradox? Why are you saying this in response to my post? This is your opinion, but this is not a reflection on what I said whatsoever.
Gimme a break, guy. (Or woman.) | |
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