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Posted: 11/11/2008 5:09:19 PM |
who cares , what are you talking about???????? just hope for the economy to get better so people will be happy and spend money .
Chief Dark Cloud at your service.
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Posted: 11/12/2008 4:21:14 PM |
It sounds like you think the U.S. should appease countries that sponsor terrorism. Yeah, that's exactly what I said. 
I fully support the Bush Doctrine
All of Bush's puppets support everthing he does. If you truly supported his doctrine theen you'd have us at war with the entire middle east including Saudi Arabia. We'd have went to war with N. Korea already. The truth of the matter is that he has abandoned his doctrine because he never truly believed in the concept and he has already used it for his,and his minions, personal gain.
The plan I'd propose to keep us safer from terrorism is to quit relying on them for oil. With our energy policy we will be susceptible to future attack because, in case you didn't get the memo, they hate us for occupying their land. An occuptaion that is pivotal to the future of your adored Bush Doctrine. | |
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Posted: 11/13/2008 2:40:21 PM | Here is a comment made on the blog PatDollard.com, and is rapidly spreading to AtlasShrugs.com and other blogs:
Friends,
Will you please take the time to read this, and if you think it worthwhile, pass it along to your email list, and ask them to read it? Even if they voted, with all good intentions, for Mr. Obama?
I am a student of history. Professionally. I have written 15 books in six languages, and have studied it all my life. I think there is something monumentally large afoot, and I do not believe it is just a banking crisis, or a mortgage crisis, or a credit crisis. Yes these exist, but they are merely single facets on a very large gemstone that is only now coming into a sharper focus.
Something of historic proportions is happening. I can sense it because I know how it feels, smells, what it looks like, and how people react to it. Yes, a perfect storm may be brewing, but there is something happening within our country that has been evolving for about ten - fifteen years. The pace has dramatically quickened in the past two.
We demand and then codify into law the requirement that our banks make massive loans to people we know they can never pay back? Why?
We learn just days ago that the Federal Reserve, which has little or no real oversight by anyone, has “loaned” two trillion dollars (that is $2,000,000,000,000) over the past few months, but will not tell us to whom or why or disclose the terms. That is our money. Yours and mine. And that is three times the 700B we all argued about so strenuously just this past September. Who has this money? Why do they have it? Why are the terms unavailable to us? Who asked for it? Who authorized it? I thought this was a government of “we the people,” who loaned our powers to our elected leaders. Apparently not.
We have spent two or more decades intentionally de-industrializing our economy. Why?
We have intentionally dumbed down our schools, ignored our history, and no longer teach our founding documents, why we are exceptional, and why we are worth preserving. Students by and large cannot write, think critically, read, or articulate. Parents are not revolting, teachers are not picketing, school boards continue to back mediocrity. Why?
We have now established the precedent of protesting every close election (now violently in California over a proposition that is so controversial that it wants marriage to remain between one man and one woman. Did you ever think such a thing possible just a decade ago?). We have corrupted our sacred political process by allowing unelected judges to write laws that radically change our way of life, and then mainstream Marxist groups like ACORN and others to turn our voting system into a banana republic. To what purpose?
Now our mortgage industry is collapsing, housing prices are in free fall, major industries are failing, our banking system is on the verge of collapse, social security is nearly bankrupt, as is medicare and our entire government, our education system is worse than a joke (I teach college and know precisely what I am talking about)–the list is staggering in its length, breadth, and depth. It is potentially 1929 x ten. And we are at war with an enemy we cannot name for fear of offending people of the same religion, who cannot wait to slit the throats of your children if they have the opportunity to do so.
And now we have elected a man no one knows anything about, who has never run so much as a Dairy Queen, let alone a town as big as Wasilla, Alaska. All of his associations and alliances are with real radicals in their chosen fields of employment, and everything we learn about him, drip by drip, is unsettling if not downright scary (Surely you have heard him speak about his idea to create and fund a mandatory civilian defense force stronger than our military for use inside our borders? No? Oh of course. The media would never play that for you over and over and then demand he answer it. Sarah Palin’s pregnant daughter and $150,000 wardrobe is more imporant.)
Mr. Obama’s winning platform can be boiled down to one word: change. Why?
I have never been so afraid for my country and for my children as I am now.
This man campaigned on bringing people together, something he has never, ever done in his professional life. In my assessment, Obama will divide us along philosophical lines, push us apart, and then try to realign the pieces into a new and different power structure. Change is indeed coming. And when it comes, you will never see the same nation again.
And that is only the beginning.
And I thought I would never be able to experience what the ordinary, moral German felt in the mid-1930s. In those times, the savior was a former smooth-talking rabble-rouser from the streets, about whom the average German knew next to nothing. What they did know was that he was associated with groups that shouted, shoved, and pushed around people with whom they disagreed; he edged his way onto the political stage through great oratory and promises. Economic times were tough, people were losing jobs, and he was a great speaker. And he smiled and waved a lot. And people, even newspapers, were afraid to speak out for fear that his “brown shirts” would bully them into submission. And then, he was duly elected to office, a full-throttled economic crisis at hand [the Great Depression]. Slowly but surely he seized the controls of government power, department by department, person by person, bureaucracy by bureaucracy. The kids joined a Youth Movement in his name, where they were taught what to think. How did he get the people on his side? He did it promising jobs to the jobless, money to the moneyless, and goodies for the military-industrial complex. He did it by indoctrinating the children, advocating gun control, health care for all, better wages, better jobs, and promising to re-instill pride once again in the country, across Europe, and across the world.
He did it with a compliant media–did you know that? And he did this all in the name of justice and . . . change. And the people surely got what they voted for.
(Look it up if you think I am exaggerating.)
Read your history books. Many people objected in 1933 and were shouted down, called names, laughed at, and made fun of. When Winston Churchill pointed out the obvious in the late 1930s while seated in the House of Lords in England (he was not yet Prime Minister), he was booed into his seat and called a crazy troublemaker. He was right, though.
Don’t forget that Germany was the most educated, cultured country in Europe. It was full of music, art, museums, hospitals, laboratories, and universities. And in less than six years–a shorter time span than just two terms of the U. S. presidency–it was rounding up its own citizens, killing others, abrogating its laws, turning children against parents, and neighbors against neighbors. All with the best of intentions, of course. The road to Hell is paved with them.
As a practical thinker, one not overly prone to emotional decisions, I have a choice: I can either believe what the objective pieces of evidence tell me (even if they make me cringe with disgust); I can believe what history is shouting to me from across the chasm of seven decades; or I can hope I am wrong by closing my eyes, having another latte, and ignoring what is transpiring around me.
Some people scoff at me, others laugh, or think I am foolish, naive, or both. Perhaps I am. But I have never been afraid to look people in the eye and tell them exactly what I believe–and why I believe it.
I pray I am wrong. I do not think I am.
Best regards
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Posted: 11/13/2008 5:41:14 PM | Sock
I only got 1/3 of the way through this one. i got a little tired of hearing how the state of affairs is sooooooo awful and somehow that change would be a bad thing.
...advocated by someone who seems to think that a person who has no idea what and where Africa is and cannot name a single Supreme Court case would be a good choice for second-in-command to a man who would not reveal the state of his health except to allow a 3 hour "read only" party for thousands of pages medical notes.
Dang! Someone arguing AGAINST change given the current state of affairs.... | |
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Posted: 11/13/2008 5:42:58 PM | Oh yeah, and don't forget that one of the first things Hitler did was to start whittling away at the rights of a select few minorities...
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Posted: 11/13/2008 8:16:36 PM | I love our next Pres. I think she is a MILF. Hot as a pistol, a Baracuda with lipstick. Oh, our "NEW" Pres. I thought it read our "NEXT" Pres. My bad!
Yeah the new guy is OK. I don't think he is Black enough and I worry that he is a Muslim. It also bothers me that his V.P. called the most dangerous V.P. in history, "The most dangerous V.P. in history." I don't think that kind of honesty should be tolerated in politics.
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Posted: 11/14/2008 12:39:04 AM | Amusinglisa
First of all, I must say that your two latest postings have put me into a quandary: I can’t decide if your uninformed opinions are indeed merely amusing (to dovetail with your screen name), or if you are just another run-of-the-mill political liberal who has disdain for reality and forms her opinions by basing them on a rigid ideology that must go against fact and reality to fulfill it’s agenda. Regrettably, either outcome reflects poorly on you.
I’ll explain: First of all, you admit that you posted a response without reading 2/3rds of what it is you are reacting to. Therefore, I defy you to produce a sane reason that can justify your slovenly approach to crafting a reasonable analysis and response. The problem is, you can’t. You shoot your mouth off after only reading a fraction of what was stated? Do you honestly expect anyone to vest any credibility in your responsive opinion when you spend more time on your response than you do on reading what it is you are disagreeing with? Maybe I’m wrong, but that just seems like crazed behavior to me. Then, you accuse me of “having issues, dude”. You either have a lot of nerve to think I’m some dumbazz pushover, or you are the one saddled with “issues”.
So, allow me to ask of you… WTF, dude???
Then, you make veiled (but not clearly stated) reference to the news reports that Sarah Palin, who would be second-in-command, said that Africa is a country and not a continent.
Unfortunately for you, and for anyone who might listen to a word you are saying, Sarah Palin never said that. MSNBC (that great bastion of journalism), The New Republic, and the Los Angeles Times reported that Palin thought Africa was a country. Never mind that a woman who was resourceful enough to defeat well-entrenched incumbents to win the Governorship of Alaska might be given more credit for knowing better, but a McCain policy advisor named Martin Eisenstadt planted that story. But wait, there's more: Eisenstadt, a senior fellow at the Harding Institute for Freedom and Democracy, does not exist, and neither does the referenced institute. Both are part of a hoax dreamed up by a filmmaker named Eitan Gorlin and his partner, Dan Mirvish, the New York Times reported yesterday.
Are you embarrassed yet? No? Well, I’m embarrassed for you. But I suppose I shouldn’t expect an apology from you, since your ilk spurns actual facts, and is proud to mindlessly spew the assigned propaganda pap issued to the minions by the “progressive” liberal school of thought. Being a pawn is like having a great job title but a lousy salary. Enjoy the delusion.
Oh yeah, and don't forget that one of the first things Hitler did was to start whittling away at the rights of a select few minorities...
Kinda like BHO and the new Congress’ plan to force the “Fairness Doctrine” upon talk radio (the only conservative—and minority) media? Are you referring to BHO’s recent hand-picking of an incoming F.C.C. Chairman who will do the dirty work of implementing this? There are other shenanigans in the works to step on specific minorities’ rights, they will become obvious in the next few months.
But what is really disturbing is that you have either attributed what I posted to be my opinion, which you would know it isn’t if you had actually read the post, or you are implying that by merely posting it I must “have issues”.
First of all, I did not write it, and I posted it since this thread is a free discussion of the incoming President of the United States and the existing political and economic situation in which he will assume his position.
Secondly, again you have a lot of nerve implying there is something wrong with me posting some historian’s opinion that you apparently don’t like (as evidenced by your admitted unwillingness to read more than a fraction of it, thereby causing your reaction to it to be uninformed, but still stated). Whether you have or not, I for one have noticed that you have posted many, many times in the Califorum and have spoken your mind over controversial issues. Yet I have not opinionated myself in this thread, I merely act as the messenger and your knee-jerk reaction is to start shooting.
I hate to be a copycat, but “you have issues, dude…” | |
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Posted: 11/14/2008 7:41:02 AM | ^Yeah sort of like Biden saying President Roosevelt ‘Got on Television’ to Talk about 1929 Market Crash:
http://www.cnsnews.com/public/content/article.aspx?RsrcID=36248
Also the remarks Biden made towards Obama during the primary but since he is going to be vice President I guess all is forgiven:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDVUPqoowf8 | |
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Posted: 11/14/2008 9:03:57 AM | Everyone makes the embarrassing gaffe now and then, and examples abound from either side of the political fence so dragging those up is a worthless exercise.
But my point is that I am fed up with anyone (of any political or religious leaning) that hears a negative that they think they can use to bolster their own assertions, but then fails to perform some degree of due diligence before they take it to heart as fact, then go spread the rumor around.
And heaven forbid that an opposing viewpoint might actually be given a thorough reading and thoughtful consideration... Doing so might tempt someone to change their mind--which they are never going to do since they were too lazy to do the work and diligence that it takes to remain unbiased and informed at the time they adopted their original opinion and philosophy. Too lazy to put real thought into then, still too lazy now to be willing to reconsider entrenched viewpoints. (Us versus Them, Red State v. Blue State, etc. is convenient and easy, but it's truly worthless if one attaches priority to the quality of their opinions.)
It's all part of the dumbing down process... Ironically, everyone suffers when the myriad uninformed voters cancel out the fewer well-considered, reasoned votes that can come from either side of the fence. | |
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Posted: 11/14/2008 9:19:24 AM | ^^^Reason and wisdom have very little to do with the purpose.
Revenge, entitlement, and come-uppance is the prime motivator. | |
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Posted: 11/14/2008 11:15:56 AM | 137 posts in 10 days after the election. 
(I haven't read all as I haven't logged in for 10 days...so sorry if I repeat something said).
I called this election back in January -- not to my satisfaction, but noting the liberal curve in the U.S. had passed the bell and viewing history (particularly the 60's in which I was born and seeing disgruntle Americans versus full support of the war). It is what it is.
The truth: We spent most of our budget in social services in 2007 (social security and medicare taking the largest expenditue) and only a small amount on National defense or the war (especially when looking at comparisan studies with previous war times and since the 195o's). Most of our outlay is because the baby boomers are or have come to retirement maturity. The economy is as it is because we have an hourglass society where the tax paying middle class is overburdened (despite each political party blaming the other and the Real estate/'creative' loan mess that began with Clinton and not Bush). If the President doesn't start looking at this reality and stop 'politicking' after the won election...the economic problems this nation faces hasn't even 'begun' to be addressed.
As far as the election the 'popular' vote was quite close. It alarms me that a lot of folks do not understand what the electoral college is and how it works and 'why' someone like me might be paying 'more' attention to what legislative representives are elected.
The greed of wanting a 'super majority' said much as far as Nancy P. who is one of the most hypocritical figures in politics today. She talks against Reaganimics while urging others to apply trickle down policy (the bail-outs) in the same breath.
So where was I -- oh yeah, it is what it is. Unless, we ourselves are in a position to 'change' anything ... which most are not (including the President elect to any great extent as he promises), the world keeps turning and the sky isn't falling (yet).
I am a gov. employee with a major in gov. admin. and have exhausted myself in discussion this election season and while holding a well studied opinion such as Sock man I see does...most citizens (however well studied) hold zero 'power.'
Again the popular vote was quite close. We live in a republic -- expect it to become more and more like others we see (regardless of the founding father's intentions) and regardless if we like it or not. The House and Senate are lined up for another term.
The one thing I think deserves thought as well as could possibly cause an upset in the liberal play is that B.O. <-- not derogatory, but his actual initials ... unless I dare bring in his middle name...really has a 'tough' job with the economy currently.
My opinion that is powerless is that if B.O. doesn't begin to consider conservative views moreso (which I believe he is being counseled on today)...the economy is going to get far worse [it is set up to tank presently] and this could cause an upset in all who had the audacity to hope versus voting on more than hope (i.e. sound experience and who might have held the audacity to think America was a fairly decent country to live in compariable to other republics that we see in this world. You want to see discrimination and a war torn country? Check out the African republic). 
Let's have the audacity to 'think' and be happy we do not live in other republics (as of today anyway and until the Governator raises our taxes here in CA during a time of recession and financial hardships. :-p <--the Kennedy legacy -- you got to love America! ).  | |
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Posted: 11/14/2008 12:00:35 PM | Given the current ticking bomb economic situation, I would like to see some REAL leadership: Instead of printing money and giving it to the producers of goods and services (some of whom will continue to stuff their own pockets full), why not slash taxes severely for companies (employers) and consumers (employees)? Resurrect the supply by re-creating the demand. If you let consumers and employers keep their earnings, they will have cash to spend and the economy resurrects itself with much less need for new and hyper-inflationary capital infusion. But then the special interests couldn't get a handout, and the almost half of the workforce that doesn't pay income tax wouldn't benefit either.
But the special interests (mega-corporate thugs) who run this country happen to own, or at least over-influence, the Congress. And the agency heads and bureaucratic droids know that they will eventually go to work for the special interests, so they implement the foolish and/or corrupt policies.
So we squeeze the golden goose who has been laying all of the eggs (the hard-working middle and upper-middle class). This thing is already going to cost well over $2 Trillion, not the $700 Billion that we thought was outrageous enough just a few weeks ago.
Rome is burning, while The Gubment fiddles. Why don't we get the non-taxpayers and some of the entitlement recipients over here and have them start rearranging the chairs on the deck of the Titanic so the rest of us can enjoy the calm before the storm? | |
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Posted: 11/14/2008 12:43:50 PM | why not slash taxes severely for companies (employers) and consumers (employees)? Resurrect the supply by re-creating the demand. If you let consumers and employers keep their earnings, they will have cash to spend and the economy resurrects itself with much less need for new and hyper-inflationary capital infusion. But then the special interests couldn't get a handout, and the almost half of the workforce that doesn't pay income tax wouldn't benefit either.
Why you greedy Capitalist you! You mean to tell me you're not on board with watching your Federal Witholding tax go up as your take home goes down with it? Do you mean actually working to fix this rather than getting your broken "whatcha-ma-call-it" fixed for free by our blessed government?
Why there are people expecting to have their mortgages paid and their credit card debt forgiven. That's what the President-elect promised them afterall....
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Posted: 11/14/2008 5:31:59 PM | Exactly Libby... people are lining up for the free meal. Everyone thinks they deserve the American Dream, but they forgot the part about it requiring hard work, a modicum of wisdom and dedication.
There is a serious dearth of personal responsibility in this country. If you are stupid enough to buy something you cannot afford, and not read the paperwork... why should the government bail you out? Why is it all of our responsibility to do so?
It's appalling.
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Posted: 11/14/2008 8:35:54 PM | There is only one thing that will change the place we are. A revolution. The rich still subdue the average. It took Barack nearly a billion dollars to become pres. Is that what it takes? Every Pres. had a richer then them wife. Since George Washington.
What does that tell us?
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Posted: 11/14/2008 9:19:32 PM | | I wonder sometimes if, with almost half of all Americans due to receive tax refunds under Mr. Obama's proposed redistribution, we aren't getting close to the "rule of the mob." When the people who stand to gain from the transfer of wealth become a majority, nothing's to stop them from voting themselves other people's goods. If one man snatched a richer man's money out of his hand and ran away, he would be a robber. I don't see why the fact a politician promises to give him that money indirectly, in return for his vote, makes the transfer any less wrong. | |
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Posted: 11/14/2008 10:36:35 PM | I wonder sometimes if, with almost half of all Americans due to receive tax refunds under Mr. Obama's proposed redistribution, we aren't getting close to the "rule of the mob."
"Liberal Massachusetts" voted against repealing state income tax by more than a 2-1 margin.
When the obtaining of wealth has been unfair for 8 years, the readjustment doesn't make this a transfer, rather, a correction. We've seen what happens when wealthy people have delusions. They broke backs for their money, & it is owed back.
Matchlessm: In addition to refuting my above argument, please also explain why the "MAGIC MONEY" we've gotten from China, in the form of bonds & therefore mass deficit, is okay- this is China investing in the control of our government, with G.W. being compliant all the way. This is better than your pity party throws a gala by rich people charging 500$ a bottle of wine?!
You act like America's problems all happen coincidentally on Obama's confirmation as President.
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Posted: 11/15/2008 1:16:35 AM | Sock,
I agree that tax cuts are probably the best way to improve the economy. What worries me, though, is the harm that might do to the nanny state. And as you say, we have to think of that 48% that wouldn't get to take money from other people. Don't you think they're entitled to it, somehow? | |
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Posted: 11/15/2008 9:25:34 AM | Awww...matchlessm -- Do you want to get me started on parentalism government? 
In recent headlines: The U.S. is at risk of loosing its AAA rating, due to debt and some economicists are not ruling out U.S. bankruptcy. Something Dow theorists predicted some time ago. All these new predictions came when? With the new government elect and the prediction of trillions versus the 'mere' 700 billion dollar in bail out funding.
Tax cuts? LOL -- (are we still talking about the audicity to hope?) The cost of the $500-$1000 rebate that O proposes [still in discussion] in addition to the second (actually third for those who can count *wink*) stimilus package proposed...just might put us over the rating's top as predicted. I'm all about tax cuts -- but Joe says it isn't so--it probably isn't econmically sound. Tax increases on the other hand [the tool of the left and which the Governator is choosing here in CA] will topple the middle class economy and is most likely to occur with the usual apology. A good day for some Boston Tea, eh. :-p.
I am not sure why riding out the storm and allowing the market (s) plural to hit a natural bottom [which many wealthy investors are 'just' waiting for including those of foriegn countries], increasing GDP through vehicles already established [our prime export is agriculture/Bush tax breaks are set to end in 2010], tariffs on imports from China and other countries that we provide larger than average consumer spending for [free trade?], reforming social security [sound investments] and buying American [circulating our own money] ... and having some incentive for the purchase of Gov. bonds [i.e. tax free if held until maturity...Bush began this with some EE series...but it needs to be widened and gain media attention versus how much Palin spent on dresses].
One other idea I liked was a .25 surcharge on stock exchanges [this alone will raise a large inlay of resources to pay down the debt and .25 doesn't buy a cup of coffee today--so it's not that painful]. If 1/4 of ideas circulated on increasing inlays/productivity in the U.S. were initiated ....... then a needed decrease in tax burdens could be given with fiscal economic soundness. I see zero proposals to increase productivity/inlays currently on the table (only hand outs and debt backed stimulus and bail outs)...in which to fund the needed tax breaks on our overburdened middle class (already cutting spending in record amounts, charitable contributions, job losses occuring at record highs, decrease in investing, etc...).
Likewise imo we are looking at tax increases with the usual apology evidentually duing the first or second term set up for the O admin. (the Governator states a need for a 'temporary' tax increase? Has anyone here every seen a 'temporary' tax increase). Federally, politicians and the media aren't as focused on increased productivity / inlays / 'real' solutions or 'reality' imo (my, my was Palin an accomplice in the firing of one man)? The left doesn't sling mud.
Show me a politician that 'cares' beyond his own skin and special interests and give him power...and then maybe those desiring parentalism in gov. will have thier Daddy. This day has never came throughout the history of government and is not upon us with this shift in party favoritism via the electoral college who has their own special interests in mind (it always amazes me when the masses don't recognize that popular vote doesn't match up mathematically with electoral votes).
The upside with the new admin. elect and the up side of the economy???...gun sales have dramatically increased since the new administration elect...and I think Obama's idea of spending 500 billion dollars on a select secret service was washed out.  | |
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Posted: 11/15/2008 10:27:30 AM | I have to correct myself -- the already proposed tax increases on capital gains and businesses by the new administrtion will already affect the middle class at a time they are overburdened [this in the first term already predicted and the stock market reacting after the election]. We all notice a lot of Mom and Pop businesses already folding [more business/office space for lease]. Investors pulling out of the market (s), etc. 250k for a business is middle class. 200k for a married successful couple is middle class (they are not owning the 1.65 million dollar home like B.O. and his family)...although able to send their children to college and home owners.
Income scales haven't been adjusted accurately for inflation by those out of touch with the middle class for too many years.
Raising taxes during a recession is suicide, but many are happy with the choices being made...just tooting along spending countless dollars fighting passed propositions without concern for plumer Joe who voted (who is that guy anyway?? What about Fred the mechanic...Suzie the store manager...why did McCain pick Joe? In today's world it's a wonder a discrimination complaint was not filed against McCain. ). | |
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Posted: 11/15/2008 10:58:28 AM | I'm still overjoyed to have President Elect Obama as our 44th President. This is going to be an amazing experience.
American's made a great choice, and it seems to me that the President Elect is geared up to keep the promises he made to America. | |
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Posted: 11/15/2008 11:23:25 AM | Matchlessm
I agree that tax cuts are probably the best way to improve the economy. What worries me, though, is the harm that might do to the nanny state. And as you say, we have to think of that 48% that wouldn't get to take money from other people. Don't you think they're entitled to it, somehow?
How about if you don’t pay income tax, you don’t deserve to vote. Or if you are receiving any “entitlement” dollars, you don’t get to vote. Same line of thinking as no taxation without representation. The greatest country in history was founded upon that gripe. So, why should you get to have a say in things if you are not pulling your own weight?
Sariangel
Yet another “stimulus package” is merely overtaxing me then tossing a fraction of it right back to me AND to others who did not pay any of that tax. So I get some of my own money back, and the guy next to me gets a freebie, courtesy of me. Then I take my rebate, and use it to pay my taxes. He takes his rebate (um, he takes MY rebate), and it pisses me off because I got shaken down by the government AND by my fellow citizens who won’t stand up for me since they are looking for any sugar tit to suck. Why don't they call it the "Make the Productive Citizens Pay Off the Gullible Ones So They Get Addicted to the Gubment Sugar Tit and We Will Get Their Easy as a Slut Vote From Now On" program?
Willis
When the obtaining of wealth has been unfair for 8 years…
Just in the last 8 years, Willis? The Gubment has only be riddled with corruption and cronyism for only 8 years? But I understand that is must be Dubya’s fault… well at least when using the 3rd grade math as taught by the No Child Left Behind/No Adult Able to Pay Their Own Way crowd. Personally, Dubya has angered me since he has only been a one trick pony, and I am thrilled to see him out, but I’m not going to recite wild-eyed accusations.
… why the "MAGIC MONEY" we've gotten from China, in the form of bonds & therefore mass deficit, is okay- this is China investing in the control of our government, with G.W. being compliant all the way… You act like America's problems all happen coincidentally on Obama's confirmation as President.
And you act like Bill Clinton didn’t drop his pants more to China than he did to Lewinsky?
Fairygodlady
This is going to be an amazing experience.
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Posted: 11/15/2008 1:22:14 PM | It's a little too early to brand Obama as a socialist. He's hasn't taken office or made any economic policy yet and it seems like people want to point fingers at him. Just because Palin called him a socialist it doesn't make it so. Her husband is a secessionist, what right does she have to point fingers at others and call them un-American.
Some of this economic crisis can be blamed on deregulation, which is the Republican's baby.
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Posted: 11/15/2008 1:41:59 PM | Fairygodlady -- I'd love to hear how you arrive at your enthusiam which is great to see(a discussion on your endepth knowledge of policy on which you base your conclusions).
Sock -- You mean you actually got to see 'part' of your tax dollars back? I didn't qualify for the last stimulus (and I'm just a middle class gov. employee) ...I'm in line for the upcoming (but this could change). As far as the 'stimulus' is concerned -- not even those on fixed incomes felt much arousal (in agreement -- it lacks fiscal responsibility as does O's plan to raise taxes that will affect the middleclass).
And you act like Bill Clinton didn’t drop his pants more to China than he did to Lewinsky?
Well that's one way to put it. (I've always wondered if those distinguishing characterists mentioned in the impeachment hearings was a Chinese flag perhaps). :-p
Willis -- Bush is a liberal conservative. It was ridiculous [as the O campaign and Nancy P. was doing] to whitewash Democratics own hand in the present state of the economy and blame everything on Bush (especially since he is quite liberal for a conservative). The blame is quite extensive if holding accurate vision and knowledge of the true power and policies enacted that got the U.S. to this point (as far as the blame game). Five years ago Bush wanted to discuss fears he held for the economy and everyone blew him off [he lost respect with a lot of conservatives due to some liberal measures passed and liberals just turned a blind eye].
People fall so easy for the campaign BS of finger pointing versus researching policies that got us to this point. If following global concensus of those with true power and money -- we see a 'concern' over that of enthusiam over the change in command. Baraka (from the Koran meaning blessing) needs more than a prayer right now and needs to prove more than his ability to talk (which nobody will disagee with here ... he's got the gift of gab and that of a great motivational speaker). In accordance with his prejudice mentor Wright though -- I would compare him to X over that of MLK as the media has done. That's neither here nor there...but...'race' [although alleluias are being accoladated on our first Black President and I know this means a lot to many and I don't take away credit from those this means so much too] is not the greater 'agenda' the U.S. needs to address right now. If it is perceived as such -- the U.S. is going to tank.
As a discrimination attorney and 2 years in the Senate-- the economy is not Obama's forte [and neither is governance]. Confidence is shown to be low for a reason. It's not something I am stating, but what we all are witnessing. I did predict this although hoping for a different outcome. But 'hey' we all have the audacity to hope, right? <--Sorry, I'm on a kick with this term. :-p | |
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| Our New President
Posted: 11/15/2008 2:00:01 PM |
Some of this economic crisis can be blamed on deregulation, which is the Republican's baby.[endquote] Skoochie baby -- You might want to look to Clinton for the de-regs. and 'creative' loans. Republicans believe in 'less' government 'not deregulation' in what exists as liberals like to sling about. Democrats believe if it moves--tax it and tie up the money in beauracracy while saying it is going to the poor (actually Reagan was wrong here...the truth is even the 'dead' (non-moving) is taxed [you have to close and pay taxes on a deceased estate]). Unless I missed something (which is very possible as I didn't read all the posts), nobody is stating anything, but what we are witnessing within our economy. My opinion stands as is: whoever stated that government is the problem -- not the solution deserves a fleet ship and an airport named after him. :-p. | |
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