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Posted: 10/23/2009 4:59:58 PM | ^^^^I've already made that clear more than once. If everyone on these threads who says the most vile and shameful things about this country even refrained from personal insults that would have me thinking about serious violence if said to my face, it would be a start. I don't even expect that much--what can you expect from a pig, but a grunt? Lenin wasn't joking when he talked about "useful idiots."
I know these chumps rely on insults to hide the lack of substance in what they say. Like a third-rate club fighter who hopes head butts and low punches will make up for the fact he can't punch and has no hand or foot speed. If I should ever ask these people to preface their comments with a disclaimer--not that I see myself showing them that much respect--I'll be glad to do the same. Until then, I don't see why I should. Anyone with a legitimate, constructive concern should know I'm not including them. | |
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Posted: 10/23/2009 8:57:08 PM | **************death to this thread*****************
(carry on)
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Posted: 10/24/2009 9:02:50 AM | I'm actually starting to get appalled from some of the statements from some of those that are really pushing what I think is a more socialistic point of view. I really don't like the name calling from anyone and sides.... even neocons, libtards is sorta silly to me... It's like MSNBC and FOX... ok yes... both networks lean in their direction... but not Democrats and Republicans... they lean Liberal and Conservative.
ED on MSNBC was knocking our Forefathers and sticking up for socialists... MSNBC is pushing an extreme leftist position... and only are upset with Dems or Obama when they are not Liberal enough... They try and tear down FOX at ever chance around every corner... They have been attacking FOX daily for a long time.... FOX disagrees with the Liberal agenda and have been debating the issues... (YES... things they don't agree with, with this extremely Liberal position the Obama administration and those like Pelosi and Reid and the rest of Washington is pushing)
Yes... Obama was voted into office.... This doesn't mean people wanted us to bankrupt are country and turn into a socialistic country.... And there is a difference from having some social programs and going all out socialist.
As far as this name calling and what is going on with our country.... If someone attacks our Constitution and our Forefathers and the Freedoms that this country provides us.... What would you call them? Well... I sure feel there are some that are not being very patriotic... And I wonder why that is? What has in bold-en some to attack our ForeFathers.... First they want to deny the teaching of them in our schools... and now they wish to demonize them... To me... this should be a concern to all Americans. | |
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Posted: 10/24/2009 10:15:05 AM |
If someone attacks our Constitution and our Forefathers and the Freedoms that this country provides us.... What would you call them?
I would not call them liberals. I would use the term "socialist" where it actually applies.
Also, there is a difference between slamming the country and the forefathers and acknowledging where we and they have fallen short. Nothing wrong with that when it's done as a call for us to do better in achieving the vision of freedom and equality that they initiated.
There is something very wrong with using those shortcomings as an excuse to undermine the vision, or interpreting every criticism of our shortcomings as a traitorous act. My country right or wrong, but dammit, let's get it right! | |
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Posted: 10/24/2009 8:01:32 PM | I think what makes a lot of statists mad is that what they see as a ridiculous, archaic system is right in the way of all their wonderful wet dreams about how the world should be. Having the typical fascist urge to act for action's sake, it infuriates them that our Constitution doesn't provide for the totalitarian state they're hell-bent on making America into.
If they asked me, I'd suggest they move to some other country more suited to their views. Iran, maybe, or Turkmenistan, or North Korea. Of course, life is good here. So they want to keep living in the lap of luxury, while they draw their plans. In the utopian state of their half-baked dreams, everyone will do things their way, and like it. After all, they know best. In their dreams.
In fact, compared to Jefferson, or Madison, or Adams, or Franklin, or Henry--or Washington--the current statists are primitive numbskulls. But like the Taliban blowing up the ancient statues of Buddha in Afghanistan, they're a sort of new barbarian, determined to destroy a culture they can't understand or appreciate. And, more's the pity, they're here. | |
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Posted: 10/24/2009 8:19:58 PM | If the DEAR LEADER should determine The Great Leap Forward of the Second Bill of Rights perhaps ACE will be appointed, with suitable oversite of other approved scholars of the working class, CZAR of the "trains will deliver dissenters to re-education camps". While we melt down our apliances for the steel to make bombs to free Taiwan for the PEOPLE and replace them with ceramic rice bowls and visit the communal kitchen for our rations just knowing ACE will allow us to perhaps keep a souvenir of our pre-revolutionary times, sinful as they would be to the revolution.
I was thinking last night of the stature of giants like Eisenhower, men who had seen life and death, led great armies, saved civilization, yet were gentle and wise...and how this mob of morons have brought us someone like Ozero, a community organizer, a man without a father, a cypher, a non-entity, assuming some strange teleprompter possessed new age nightmare.
How utterly tragic these statist clowns have delivered us into this mess. As the lights turn on for you Democrats, give us a sign lol. | |
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Posted: 10/24/2009 9:51:41 PM | Well these last two postings really are inspirational. I can only imagine what younger people who stumble into this thread would think of us old farts.
GC, you seem to think you could do such a better job. I'll defer to you. Have fun with it! | |
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Posted: 10/24/2009 10:08:41 PM | | I've never had even a suspicion that any president I remember, or even any I've read about, wasn't in this country's corner. But I doubt this man, and I have good reasons. I feel the same way about most of the people in his administration. I can't take a "live and let live" attitude toward people I think are actively hostile to my country. What else can anyone think about people whose goal is to make sure the lice being held at Gitmo--who among them have killed a great many American servicemen and civilians--go scot free? | |
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Posted: 10/24/2009 10:22:23 PM | New Obama Bumper Snickers
Change is inevitable.
Progress is not.
YOU voted for him
You fix it.
Honk if I'm Paying
Your Mortgage
Cash for Clunkers.
Can we trade in Congress?
I was Anti-Obama
Before it was COOL
"A government big enough to give you everything you want,
Is strong enough to take everything you have."
Thomas Jefferson
Contrary to belief,
Nobody owes you anything.
WORK HARDER!
Millions on welfare depend on you.
Please don't tell Obama
what comes after a trillion
Not the CHANGE
you were hoping for HUH?
If you think health care is expensive now,
wait until it's "FREE"
I'll Keep my freedom, money and guns.
You keep the CHANGE
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Posted: 10/28/2009 6:21:37 PM | CONSERVATIVES VS LIBERALS
If a conservative doesn't like guns -- he doesn't buy one.
If a liberal doesn't like guns -- he wants all guns outlawed.
If a conservative is a vegetarian -- he doesn't eat meat.
If a liberal is a vegetarian -- he wants all meat products banned for everyone.
If a conservative sees a foreign threat -- he thinks about how to defeat his enemy.
If a liberal sees a foreign threat -- he wonders how to surrender gracefully and still look good.
If a conservative is homosexual -- he quietly leads his life.
If a liberal is homosexual -- he demands legislated respect.
If a person of color is conservative -- he see himself as independently successful.
A liberal counterpart sees himself as a victim in need of government protection.
If a conservative is down-and-out -- he thinks about how to better his situation.
A liberal wants government social services to take care of him.
If a conservative doesn't like a talk show host -- he switches channels.
Liberals demand that talk show hosts they don't like be shut down.
If a conservative is a non-believer-- he doesn't go to church.
A liberal non-believer wants any mention of God and religion silenced. (Unless it's a foreign religion, of course!)
If a conservative decides he needs health care -- he goes about shopping for it, or may choose a job that provides it.
A liberal demands that the rest of us pay for his.
If a conservative slips and falls in a store -- he gets up, laughs and is embarrassed.
If a liberal slips and falls -- he grabs his neck, moans like he's in labor and then sues.
If a conservative reads this, he'll send it so his friends can have a good laugh.
A liberal will delete it because he's "offended." | |
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Posted: 10/28/2009 6:44:09 PM | If a conservative doesn't like guns -- he doesn't buy one.
If a liberal doesn't like guns -- he wants all guns outlawed.
If a liberal believes that widespread gun ownership poses an an unacceptable risk to society--through theft, unethical dealers, or other means that allow criminals easy access, he wants those channels cut off.
If a conservative is a vegetarian -- he doesn't eat meat.
If a liberal is a vegetarian -- he wants all meat products banned for everyone.
If a liberal recognizes the incredibly cruel and unsanitary way that meat is produced, he wants those practices to be stopped. The quickest way to do that is to eliminate the demand for such meat.
If a conservative sees a foreign threat -- he thinks about how to defeat his enemy.
If a liberal sees a foreign threat -- he wonders how to surrender gracefully and still look good.
If a liberal sees a foreign, he works toward reducing the threat first, but is prepared to use force only when necessary. A conservative who sees a foreign threat is eager to demonstrate the superiority of his position by shooting first and asking questions later.
If a conservative is homosexual -- he quietly leads his life.
If a liberal is homosexual -- he demands legislated respect.
If a liberal recognizes that a conservative homosexual cannot lead his life without hiding the facts about who he is, the liberal advocates for equal protection for the conservative homosexual.
If a person of color is conservative -- he see himself as independently successful.
A liberal counterpart sees himself as a victim in need of government protection.
If a conservative is down-and-out -- he thinks about how to better his situation.
A liberal wants government social services to take care of him.
If a liberal who is not down and out recognizes that someone else is in genuine need of assistance, he wants to ensure that such service is available.
If a conservative doesn't like a talk show host -- he switches channels.
Liberals demand that talk show hosts they don't like be shut down.
If a conservative doesn't like a talk show host, he claims that the entire media establishment is biased.
If a conservative is a non-believer-- he doesn't go to church.
A liberal non-believer wants any mention of God and religion silenced. (Unless it's a foreign religion, of course!)
If a conservative is a believer, he demands that the government pay homage to his religion at every turn.
If a conservative decides he needs health care -- he goes about shopping for it, or may choose a job that provides it.
A liberal demands that the rest of us pay for his.
If a conservative lacks health care and can't get it, a liberal tries to make sure that such a thing doesn't happen again--to anyone.
If a conservative slips and falls in a store -- he gets up, laughs and is embarrassed.
If a liberal slips and falls -- he grabs his neck, moans like he's in labor and then sues.
This one is simply slander. Liberals are not fraudsters. You might think they're misguided, but that's different than insinuating they're criminals at heart.
If a conservative reads this, he'll send it so his friends can have a good laugh.
A liberal will delete it because he's "offended."
If liberals circulated crap like this, especially that one about slip-and-fall, you'd be offended and you'd use it as a rallying cry to go on bashing liberals some more.
I'm surprised at you, Boomer. This really is beneath you. | |
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Posted: 10/28/2009 6:56:16 PM | Really? Political satire is beneath me? And why is that?
Political satire (definition):
Political satire is usually distinguished from political protest or political dissent, as it does not necessarily carry an agenda nor seek to influence the political process. While occasionally it may, it more commonly aims simply to provide entertainment. By its very nature, it rarely offers a constructive view in itself; when it is used as part of protest or dissent, it tends to simply establish the error of matters rather than provide solutions.
Hyperbole meaning excess or exaggeration, is a figure of speech in which statements are exaggerated. It may be used to evoke strong feelings or to create a strong impression, but is not meant to be taken literally.
If a conservative reads this, he'll send it so his friends can have a good laugh. A liberal will delete it because he's "offended.
Where is your sense of humor? | |
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Posted: 10/28/2009 7:25:28 PM |
Really? Political satire is beneath me? And why is that?
Don't look now, Califboomergirl, but you've just been scorched with the Shame Flame. Liberals the nation over use it when they've been offended or believe they have been ridiculed or questioned.
If they cannot get you to side with them and have blind allegiance, they unholster the Shame Flame and hope to humiliate you into agreeing.
Barack Hussein Obama, is the Master Shamer Flame Thrower. Surely you see it played out practically every day.
Thin skin? My god that's an understatement! | |
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Posted: 10/28/2009 8:08:46 PM | Conservatives problem with the diverse and diversity is less about the beliefs.....
I've been amused and felt sympathy for La Cage Aux Faux.
I've laughed with abandon with the characters in The French Quarter of New Orleans.
I've shared food, campfires and other things with hippies in the campgrounds of Big Sur.
Being informed by my liberal female dates there were starving children right here in our city, I have insisted we immediately without delay proceed to a grocery store, buy several bags of groceries and go feed these children...in 40 years of making this offer I have yet to meet these children, apparently there are some as all liberals know of them, speak of them, but never have sought them out for relief of suffering.
I've shared my food and drink with residents on Indian reservations.
Danced with gypsy's in the Carpathians
Enjoyed Christopher Hitchens and Camille Paglia's books and essays.
...than the claim for a lien on our lives, and pocketbooks by authoritarian slug leftists. If you think others lives are bandaids for your pet's wounds....you probably wouldn't be welcome around decent people. | |
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Posted: 10/28/2009 10:25:23 PM | America's going to become a little more diverse yet, when this administration brings the couple hundred jihadists being held at Guantanamo into the U.S. It will be almost impossible to convict them in U.S. courts. Most, if not all, are sure to be acquitted--and Mr. Obama knows it. He knew very well, when he made Eric Holder his Attorney General. that Holder spent years as a private lawyer defending the detained jihadists' "rights." If Obama were honest, he'd just release them all now, and save the time and expense.
I wonder what it does to the morale of anyone in our armed forces, to realize his Commander-in-Chief is letting some of the worst of the enemy we've sent them to fight go scot free. If the United States were what it should be, Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, the fiend who masterminded the murders of almost 3,000 American civilians on September 11, 2001, would not be going free. Once he'd given up all that very damaging information on the waterboard years ago, what use was he? The U.S. military should promptly have tried him, convicted him, and executed him--with the proceedings shown all around the world. | |
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Posted: 10/29/2009 7:48:53 AM | Where is your sense of humor?
There's a differece bewtween satire and slander. Your bumper stickers were funny. Attacks on the character of those you disagree with are not.
If I said or implied that all conservatives are thieves at heart, would you think it cute? Would you laugh? Don't think so. | |
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Posted: 10/29/2009 8:02:14 AM | If they cannot get you to side with them and have blind allegiance, they unholster the Shame Flame and hope to humiliate you into agreeing.
No, my dear. Please disagree all you like with me. But when you use "humor" to dismiss my position because you don' want to have to think for yourself, you can expect me to object. That sort of nonsense isn't funny. It gets us into wars that we might not need to fight, it gets our soldiers killed, and it provides political cover for policies that undermine our rights.
We each use different tactics to defend ourselves against ideas that challenge our sense of rightness. Some use shame, others use derisiveness. Both are nasty. Both are covers for willful stupidity. But if you have read my previous postings, you will find that I reserve my scorn for remarks that poison the well. You will see that I treat all who respectfully disagree with me with the utmost respect.
Boomer's second set of "jokes" were beneath her because she knows how to show respect for those who disagree with her. From what I can see, this lapse in decorum was unusual for her. Since this is the firt time you've chimed in, and it was like that, I now wonder how much respect you are capable of showing to those who disagree with you. | |
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Posted: 10/29/2009 8:15:49 AM | Thank you, Ace for the explanation. I did not mean any disrespect nor offense and my post was not aimed at any one person, but at a prevalent mindset. I think you are reading way more into the post than was intended. One of the characteristics of satire is overstatement and exaggeration for the purpose of effect. The only motive is to encourage the reader to look at things from another perspective.
If you said, "All conservatives are thieves at heart" in the context of a joke or satire, then I am smart enough to not get offended because it is not a personal attack. If you called ME a thief, I would be offended. There is a difference.
My personal opinion is that many are blind or asleep to what is happening to our economy and to our basic rights and freedoms. Political satire is SUPPOSED to have a shock effect to wake people up. It is not meant as the gospel. Just watch Letterman, Leno, Conan or scan prevailing political cartoons. They overstate, take things out of context, and do not tell the whole story many times, all for the purpose of entertainment and to promote their own political viewpoint. | |
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Posted: 10/29/2009 8:35:22 AM | | I think there's a kernel of truth to that joke. It makes sense that whether someone sues a store, after he slips and falls there, would depend partly on his attitude toward private business. If he sees companies (including insurance companies) as robber barons, won't it be easier for him to justify making them pay? Isn't it easier to say "They'll never miss it," when the "they" is something you don't like anyway? In close calls, it doesn't always take an outright dishonest character to make us tip the scales in our favor. Simple resentment of the other party may be enough. | |
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Posted: 10/29/2009 8:44:06 AM | Ace... Your a left sitting... leaning guy.... It doesn't mean we don't like you.... But we think different?... We all think different... I don't think we all agree or disagree on everything... But the Left and Right is very far apart on things... especially as of late.
And honestly.... Most of us sitting over here on the Right... just can't understand why those on the Left don't see what is going on... But... We... I for one... cause I really can only speak for myself.... realize that there are a lot on the Left... that really can't understand why the Right thinks the way we do... We think differently.... and all the joking here is in fun....
I don't get bent out of shape every time I hear Up-Tighty Righty... or even Neocon... or what ever.... I personally try not to do any name calling... Can't say I have always been successful in that.... But the joking.... I don't take it personally.... And I would hope others would feel the same way...
I don't believe anyone here in the Califorums are here to hurt anyone... Just to view their different opinions and discuss those differences... And we need to lighten-up at times... a little joking around is healthy.... YES?
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Posted: 10/29/2009 10:05:19 AM | I suggest you watch the whole series if you want to know what the far left really thinks.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuF6bWGadRc | |
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Posted: 10/29/2009 11:59:04 AM | I think there's a kernel of truth to that joke. It makes sense that whether someone sues a store, after he slips and falls there, would depend partly on his attitude toward private business. If he sees companies (including insurance companies) as robber barons, won't it be easier for him to justify making them pay? Isn't it easier to say "They'll never miss it," when the "they" is something you don't like anyway? In close calls, it doesn't always take an outright dishonest character to make us tip the scales in our favor. Simple resentment of the other party may be enough.
An honest person goes to the doctor and gets checked out. If there is an injury, an honest business owner makes it good. If there is not, an honest customer gets on with life and is thankful. Their political stance has nothing to do with it.
As I said, the bumper stickers were funny. | |
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Posted: 10/29/2009 12:02:06 PM | I suggest you watch the whole series if you want to know what the far left really thinks.
Was this put together by lefties themselves, or is it a hit piece by people who hate the left?
If the former, it could well be telling. If the latter, it could be nonsense.
I'm getting tired of having to debunk every piece of rightist propaganda that floats through here. Can't you all practice a little critical thinking on your own?
Lesson 1: Consider the source and their objectives in making the argument before simply buying into the argument. How are they trying to manipulate your opinion and why?
If I trusted you to actually do the critical thinking instead of just yukking it up at the expense of our ability to work things out together, I'd laugh a lot more with you. But every pot-shot that is really a coded slander undermines my trust in you, and after a while it just isn't funny any more.
You can't expect someone to laugh with you when your every message to and about them indicates that you consider them to be traitors. I don't beat you up about this crappy behavior on your part because I dislike you. I just don't understand how smart people like you are for the most part can fall for such bullshit so often. What gives? | |
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Posted: 10/29/2009 1:29:45 PM | It should be obvious that no one here questions your patriotism. I never used to feel that way about any Democrat--I assumed they were as patriotic as anyone else. But I've heard and seen enough that I'm convinced there are now millions of people who live in this country who don't wish it well. And most of them that I hear take positions on the left (I hate those terms, which come from the seating arrangement in the French National Assembly after the revolution, and I try to avoid them.)
Statists and totalitarians (in Mussolini's terms, everything within the state, and nothing without it) are just not compatible with America. That's why I consider the serious ones--starting with this President--disloyal. What they want is so fundamentally at odds with our Constitution that they cannot possibly respect it, yet hold the views they do. Most of them are too ignorant to realize it, and too used to using "fascist" as a cheap insult to conservatives, but ironically, the kind of America they want is similar in many ways to fascist Italy of the 1920's and '30's.
I also don't like the transnational dogma, which Obama fully believes, that the U.S. not only is nothing exceptional in the world, but needs to be chastened into accepting a humble role in it. To him, our sin is pride, we deserve to be humbled, and he's been chosen to cut us down to size. What shameful, spineless rot. What President before has ever thought anything like that? It's enough to bring tears to the eyes of those stone faces on Mt. Rushmore. With friends like this man, we don't need enemies.
And yet we have them, and they've set their sights on us. If we were what we should be, we would have made them very sorry even to dare that much. But now we're too tired to stand up straight when we have to, as Mr. Kennedy did in 1962--too stretched, too poor, too jaded, too guilty, too this, too that . . . please just leave us alone, and don't hurt us. Please? The spirit of Stanley Baldwin, updated for our time, lives with us.
I'm convinced Obama and those around him sympathize more with the resentments of the non-white, non-Christian world, than they do with America's own heritage. I don't believe any of those people, if push comes to shove, will be in our corner. And if not, no one else in the world is about to defend our interests. Far from it. When Israel attacks Iran, about two months from now, we will pay the bill for all this. | |
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