| Do You Believe In Ghosts?
Posted: 2/14/2009 11:28:28 PM | I have no doubt in life after death and I can remember(the experience) a few astral travels. When I was a kid I was able to see hear and feel them around a little more than what I can now. My sister and brother have been able to, as well as my Grandmother. Most activity of seeing and hearing them was on a farm we had that was 157 years old. I thought my cat Aussie was at the door scratching to come in once so I opened the door and a form of a cat walked in and disappeared. Spirits and ghosts barely scare my sister and me anymore. There is a man she sees from time to time at her door and she later saw a picture of our Great Grandfather looking exactly like him and wearing the same hat. I've had more experiences than I could write here. One I will say is that I should be dead. I've had 3 near death experiences and none of which include drugs though I'm sure someone will come on here to say "your mom must've been doing a lot of drugs for you to think that ghosts are real" But just for them, ya, I was doing drugs straight out the bottle! While they believe that, I'll continue.........my latest was I awoke in the back of the ambulance with the back and neck brace already on. I have no idea how long I was 'out' for, but it was enough time for someone to call the ambulance and for a police officer (which my dad told me) and an ambulance to arrive and do all that. I'm not telling the story on here but I assure that it was something that my neck or my jaw at least certainly should have broke and I just came out with a bad concussion and still have a little trouble with my speech from the head injury. That story is just to say there is more to life than what we believe is real with our 5 senses. That there is more to think about as one may consider that our bodies may be the (hypothetically speaking) tangible water based and our 'souls' are the steam of our existence. Energy does not disappear it just changes form.
Plus please consider that there are still species in the deepest parts of the oceans that have not been discovered (or at least its a theory) that can survive such pressure that we can not even seem to begin a search with the materials we know of. But is that to say that those unknown species are nonexistent if we do not know for sure yet? | |
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| Do You Believe In Ghosts?
Posted: 2/15/2009 8:12:14 AM | wow Jenn.............................what's an astral travel? it it like an acid trip? you never told me about ur near death experiences, you need to quit being a cheap ass and phone me! lol Remember that time i had a near death experience when that huge flood happened, and i lost my sandle and decided 14.99 was too much money to waste and ran after it and and fell in the ditch and almost drown? lol well i guess it wasn't a near death experiance, but it was funny as hell, you were on the other side of the street on ground laughing hahahahaha good time man good times!!  | |
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| Do You Believe In Ghosts?
Posted: 2/15/2009 9:15:09 AM | haha, Holly I'm talking about the liftlock incident, don't give any details on here, I'll call you.
Anyways for all others I realized at the bottom of my last post I was wrong because I am mostly sure that at a depth like at the bottom of the ocean it ceases to be water that can support any life. Just the same as we see nothing living, without the support of technology, flying higher than the birds.
Another ghost story I'll share is my sister and me were in my room on the farm and knew a ghost was by my bed, so I flung my hairtie at it and it fell as the outline like it hit a head and lap, didn't touch my bed at all.
Another time, I've held one of my beloved animals as she died and in that moment I could not see these beings but there were 3 entities that were right by us, 1 in front of us and 2 one at each side. Then she was done her process of dying. | |
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| Do You Believe In Ghosts?
Posted: 2/15/2009 11:13:12 PM | Not really ... although there have been 3 occasions that I can remember where I 'saw' them -- 2 of them, quite vividly. But I don't fully believe that what I saw was really there or rather something my mind made for me because either, I wanted to see it or what I was involved with at the time focused my mind to produce it. And I suppose because I would believe that the human mind could produce non-real images and forms for me to see far sooner than I would believe the existence of paranormal phenomena, it would appear that I never will believe in ghosts -- even if one appears to be standing in front of me.
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| Do You Believe In Ghosts?
Posted: 2/16/2009 1:29:39 AM | | Better go look at some of the "orbs" in some of my profile pics. Surely those can't simply be artifacts of poorly-designed cameras, there MUST have been ghosts in the brand-new Jefferson County Jail and County facilities. | |
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| Do You Believe In Ghosts?
Posted: 2/16/2009 6:44:40 PM | | ahh what the hell am i talking about, you told me that story hahaha i'm an ass | |
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| Do You Believe In Ghosts?
Posted: 2/19/2009 6:26:30 PM | I used to believe in ghosts, but then I guess I just grew out of it. Similar to Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy. I went though my spiritual phase in high school, and I'm glad I got it out of my system.
When I used to believe in ghosts, I would see them. Yes, it's true. I saw ghosts before. Looking back on it now, I know it was all a lie. I made it up. You ever tell yourself a lie so much that you start to believe it as truth? I did that, and I don't want to ever lie to myself again. Every little flicker of light, or batch of dust was a ghost. I came up with the same thing mascot1 about energy not disappearing, just changing form. Unfortunately, once you study a bit of science behind that, it doesn't hold water. If you are indeed seeing things that aren't there, please contact a doctor to get yourself checked out.
As for near death experiences, they have been completely proven false by all manner of scientists to proof of life after death. They've conducted tests in a centrifuge (that big spinny thing astronauts and jet pilots train in), and when enough blood drains from your brain you black out. When that happens, the pilots have said they had vivid dreams, like a tunnel of light, or floating above their bodies. It's the same thing when people induce hypoxia to decrease the lack of oxygen to the brain. People get a sense of euphoria. Couldn't it be when the brain is injured, that it could be a natural reaction to put the mind into a peaceful state of calm?
I don't believe in any form of life after death. There is just no proof to suggest otherwise. It's a great concept to HOPE for, but that's all we can do, is hope. | |
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| Do You Believe In Ghosts?
Posted: 2/22/2009 2:49:24 AM | Please tell me what you believe happens to your 'self' after you die eternaldream. I have heard of the tests that were done by scientists that 'prove' that life after death does not exist. But with all due respect to all, this conversation will not end as none of us are 100% sure of it. For all we know, we could be in a 'dead state' right now. It is all by definition.
What then causes that 'peaceful state', what causes the brain to flee into calmness inside the brain? what causes us to breath without 'thinking' about it? even if a person is drowning they take in a breathe when they can no longer force themselves not to. What causes us to move? this leads away from the question a bit, but I am curious to the replies, we move because we think of moving..so what comes first....??
There is a story that a student was asked to prove there is a God. He explained that just because we can not SEE our brains does not mean they are not there. There is so much more to that story, but you get the idea. | |
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| Do You Believe In Ghosts?
Posted: 2/25/2009 11:50:17 AM | | Trying to explain things to these people is like describing color to a blind person. I honestly don't know why you waste your time with these people. You know it's not nice to f**k with them, they're just "sheeple". They're asleep at the wheel on the highway of life. | |
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| Do You Believe In Ghosts?
Posted: 2/25/2009 11:54:05 AM | ^^^^
That's a little harsh don't you think.
Spiritual pride is a dangerous thing.
One of those 'sheeple' could be almost enlightened and just struggling with the thinest of veils. | |
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| Do You Believe In Ghosts?
Posted: 2/25/2009 12:40:10 PM | Sorry for sounding so harsh. I'm just tired of reading posts from the AFCs on here that insist on sucking the fun out of everything.
When you fail to see with your heart, you fail to see entirely. | |
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| Do You Believe In Ghosts?
Posted: 2/25/2009 12:50:40 PM | I see... but one would hope that understanding comes hand in hand with patience and compassion...
Personally I like to think that those ignoramusus (haha) incite me to be clearer with my ideas. | |
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| Do You Believe In Ghosts?
Posted: 2/28/2009 5:38:28 AM | | No we dont know enough to rule out ghosts, God, angels or anything else. Afterlife and various religions is something believed in by millions of people, races, for thousands of years. I dont know how you or anyone else can say none of this really exists. Now it is you who is being close minded and non-scientific. | |
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| Do You Believe In Ghosts?
Posted: 2/28/2009 6:55:24 AM |
As for near death experiences, they have been completely proven false by all manner of scientists to proof of life after death. They've conducted tests in a centrifuge (that big spinny thing astronauts and jet pilots train in), and when enough blood drains from your brain you black out. When that happens, the pilots have said they had vivid dreams, like a tunnel of light, or floating above their bodies. It's the same thing when people induce hypoxia to decrease the lack of oxygen to the brain. People get a sense of euphoria. Couldn't it be when the brain is injured, that it could be a natural reaction to put the mind into a peaceful state of calm?
I don't believe in any form of life after death. There is just no proof to suggest otherwise. It's a great concept to HOPE for, but that's all we can do, is hope.
Personally, I think that scientists have come to a conclusion about death of consciousness, not proven anything with regard to life after death. As to life after death in a more spiritual concept, no...scientists have not proven anything, as there is no 'proof' of an existence beyond the body. It's something that may always be out of a scientist or researcher's grasp, to prove the existence of something that we cannot touch, see, feel, hear, or otherwise perceive. What it boils down to is a belief. Either one believes in it - life after death, ghosts, angels, God, etc. - or they do not...or perhaps they may be ambivolent about the entire concept. So yes, one can hope in such existence, or one can believe (i.e., have faith), or one can dismiss it all as bunk because it has never been proven scientifically. It all comes around to the argument that has gone on in various threads in the forum - the bantering back and forth of 'I believe' or 'I'm right and you're wrong' against 'You're misguided, delusional, etc.', or 'Unless it can be measured or proven scientifically, it doesn't exist' . It's a neverending debate that will have no conclusion. Who's to say who is right or wrong? I think everyone should believe what they wish, but no one can tell another that they are right and the other person is wrong.
(btw, eternaldream, this isn't directed at you personally at all...I only started out addressing your statement regarding scientists proving there is no life after death.  )
For me, I choose to believe in ghosts, spirits, angels, etc.  | |
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| Do You Believe In Ghosts?
Posted: 2/28/2009 4:30:16 PM | | Perhaps, it may be a little off the topic but it is interesting to note that the Catholic performed over 30,000 exorcisms last year. If there are no evidence of ghosts, spirits, poltergiests, etc. etc., then what is keeping the Catholic church so busy these days? | |
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| Do You Believe In Ghosts?
Posted: 2/28/2009 4:53:45 PM | ^People who don't know the difference between schizophrenia and demonic possession.
Ghosts...I guess they might exist. I've definitely never seen anything whatsoever to convince me there's any evidence in favour of the possibility but maybe there's something to it. Who knows ... I would bet against the existence of ghosts but sure , if people want to believe in it despite a complete lack of evidence then they can. | |
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Posted: 2/28/2009 4:59:55 PM | The church won't even entertain the thought of doing an exorcism unless you are fully examined by a physician.
People who don't know the difference between schizophrenia and demonic possession.
One must be cleared by physicians, tests, psychiatrists, etc. | |
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| Do You Believe In Ghosts?
Posted: 3/1/2009 12:16:24 AM | I guess that one's beliefs in ghosts is about as subjective as feeling pain. The belief does span across all ages, races, nations and religions. I guess a good thread to start would be aimed at people who actually investigated haunted locations and persons....
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Posted: 3/1/2009 12:28:39 AM |
The church won't even entertain the thought of doing an exorcism unless you are fully examined by a physician.
I guess that that depends on who we're referring to when we talk about the church then. It would appear that on the whole , the "church" is quite ready to perform an exorcism when asked to whether the possessed has been in the care of a doctor or not. That certainly appears to be the case in nearly all exorcisms . Actually, so far I can't find a story of even one case where any church has demanded a psych evaluation prior to commencing the exorcism ritual. I'm sure that some may well demand this prior to the ritual but it certainly doesn't appear to be any part of the usual sequence. | |
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| Do You Believe In Ghosts?
Posted: 3/1/2009 12:27:29 PM | People who have schizophrenia or other ailments don't exhibit possive signs....
ready to perform an exorcism when asked to whether the possessed has been in the care of a doctor or not. If that was the case, then my friends and family would be insisting upon it every time I had PMS.....haha!
The following are symptoms of possession as represented in the Roman Ritual of Exorcism. In most cases, a victim will have one or more of the traits listed.
Victim speaks or understands unknown languages without ever studying the language being spoken or heard
Victim clearly knows things that are distant or hidden
Victim can predict future events (sometimes through dreams)
Victim has an intense hatred for holy things
Victim shows a physical strength far above his age or normal condition
People with run of the mill physical and mental ailments will never have the traits listed above. | |
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| Do You Believe In Ghosts?
Posted: 3/1/2009 5:05:04 PM | >>>it is interesting to note that the Catholic performed over 30,000 exorcisms last year.
Aren't these clergymen fighting the devil and demons, not ghosts? And thus, wouldn't that be evidence of demons and the devil, not ghosts?
>>>If there are no evidence of ghosts, spirits, poltergiests, etc. etc., then what is keeping the Catholic church so busy these days?
The Church claiming something is true doesn't make it true- there is no more evidence supporting possessions than there is evidence supporting alien abductions-we have nothing by the person being convinced that it is true.
>>>The belief does span across all ages, races, nations and religions.
As do dragons, sea creatures, yeti's and dwarves. Are they all real too? | |
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| Do You Believe In Ghosts?
Posted: 3/1/2009 5:14:30 PM |
Victim speaks or understands unknown languages without ever studying the language being spoken or heard
Victim clearly knows things that are distant or hidden
Victim can predict future events (sometimes through dreams)
Victim has an intense hatred for holy things
Victim shows a physical strength far above his age or normal condition
Hmmmm....and now it all makes sense. I am quite ready to put money down that if properly investigated , every single case of "possession" would be proven to be much more mundane in nature than being the result of some otherworldly presence commandeering a human body. | |
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| Do You Believe In Ghosts?
Posted: 3/3/2009 11:26:07 AM | I am not an expert on demonic possession, so I have turned to John Zaffis's site to get a better angle on it.
The Levels of Demonic Activity
1. Infestation
At this point has someone or something done something to you. Are you experiencing lights going on and off, doors opening and closing, cold spots, footsteps, voices, the TV going on and off, telephone ringing? Do you feel like someone or something just went by or is watching you? Occurrences with all of the electrical appliances going on and off, or just bizarre things, this can be the beginning stages of infestation.
2. Oppression
You see and know something is not right, voices are telling you to do things that your not used to doing. They will turn you against loved ones, make you feel something is around you or touching you. A lot of arguing with others will take place, your whole life will turn inside out. You can't sleep at night, you are not eating allot, food is just not good to you at this time. No one can figure out what is going on with you, your whole personality changes. You have no energy to do anything at all, this is the process of wearing you down and it is oppressing you.
3. Possession
Pure possession is very rare, but at this time it can and will if you let it, it has the ability to go in and out of you at it's will. It will talk in different languages, have enormous strength behind it, make you believe anything at this time and you will, turn you against everyone and push everyone out of your life especially the ones you love. It will convince you that everything you want you can have and that you can achieve all of this. It's main goal at this point and objective is to gain full control of you. This is where you need to seek out help from family, clergy or someone in this work. You have to fight back and no one can do this for you but you, we all have free will so it is up to you.
I hope this answers some of your questions. | |
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| Do You Believe In Ghosts?
Posted: 3/3/2009 12:19:35 PM | | That is fine Jiperly that you don't believe, but you are asking me to confirm something that I myself I have never seen. I'm not an expert, so why don't you go ask someone who is?? | |
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