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| Do You Believe In Ghosts?
Posted: 3/3/2009 3:41:11 PM |
Again, i'm confused- how is evidence of demons evidence of ghosts?
I would think that they were one and the same. Neither has any sort of quantitative or empirical definition so they might as well be the same thing anyway. So far I haven't seen evidence for either ghosts or demonic possession but if there is evidence for one then it would probably apply to the other as well. | |
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| Do You Believe In Ghosts?
Posted: 3/3/2009 4:32:02 PM | I mean, its my understanding that Ghosts are dead humans- demons are foul creatures created by or are fallen angels.
So even if we were to assume that demons most definately do exist, and most definately possess people, that doesn't prove that humans are returning from the dead in a non-corporeal form.
Its a link that simply doesn't work.....they are two entirely different things.... | |
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| Do You Believe In Ghosts?
Posted: 3/3/2009 5:33:40 PM | | ^I understand that but if you can accept evidence for one then you could also apply said evidence for the other. We're talking about "spirits" here and since it's all pretty nebulously defined (because it has to be to maintain belief in the fantasy) we'd need a proper definition for both ghosts and disembodied demons to make any distinction between the two. As in ; What's the difference between a nasty "ghost" and a "demon" possessing a person ? I have no idea and even if some book claims to know the difference it probably doesn't bother to include any testable criteria by which to measure any difference. So if we can believe in evil demonic spirits coming to our universe to possess people regardless of the lack of evidence , we might as well also believe in human spirits coming to our universe to visit us. If we can explain how one "spirit" can do it then we have a mechanism that can be applied universally. Of course , if that was the case then we'd also have proof of a spirit world as well. At that point it becomes a much safer bet that if demons exist then human ghosts also exist. | |
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| Do You Believe In Ghosts?
Posted: 3/3/2009 6:32:07 PM | John Zaffis, who is an expert in this field, has the answer to which you are asking (Its a long read so be forewarned):
Ghosts, Demons and Devils
Many people have wondered what the differences are between ghosts, demons, and devils. The answer is that there is no easy answer, there are general guidelines used when determining which is which but as always, there are always exceptions to the rule. After many years of research and investigations by countless people, there seems to be a set standard by which most paranormal entities have been classified. The following definitions and guidelines will describe their unique characteristics.
Human Spirit
This type of spirit is the most commonly reported and accepted by those who have had some type of encounter with one. It is often said that our thoughts, our personality, and essentially that which is our essence survives the process we label as death. Death instead of an end is actually a transition, a part of the process of life and spiritual attainment and advancement. Fundamentally, many theories from different cultures and belief systems adopt the notion that this energy that makes us all unique lives on after the body is long gone and decrepit.
Many individuals report seeing actual physical presences while others feel the presence or sense it. Others may witness the slamming of doors, appearances of spirit or energy in photos, or disembodied voices caught on tape recordings whose vocalizations, when tested, sometimes reside on a frequency which no human on this plane can duplicate vocally. No matter how it manifests you still have a visitor. This is not to say that all locations are haunted, but many homes, business, parks, cemeteries, woodlands, and actually anywhere that exists has the possibility of a haunting.
Human spirit is often thought to be attracted to certain individuals because of their sensitivity, or psychic abilities, and also due to the energy field around the body: the human aura.
Human spirit also tends to reside in areas which were familiar and comfortable to them in life. Also they may reside in the vicinity of a tragedy in which they were involved with. With human spirit the possibilities are endless and each case is completely circumstantial based on the actual evidence. With this type of phenomena there can be fright because it is indeed something we do not wholly understand or accept, but the chances of real harm are far less than spiritual beings which are stronger and part of a different categorization.
The Demonic Spirit
Demonology is for the most part considered, especially in such times where science rules modern man, an unconventional science or area of study. Essentially it is a legit field which encompasses many endeavors to explain what most consider to be a myth. By the categorization, study, and actual witness to phenomena which is considered diabolical, one who embarks in this field tries to understand the nature of these energies which have intelligence, the ability to interact on this plane of existence, and the abilities to coerce man into his own downfall.
In referring to the demonic, many visions come to mind. Fiery monsters from some hellish abyss tend to fill the mind of those who have seen their supposed likeness in modern media-based depictions. In regards to investigative work such horrid visions are a complete rarity. When the demonic lashes out it is usually in complete invisibility. The best way to frighten is to lash out almost undetected. If a visual does occur it may be in a completely anonymous form. Often dark black, wispy shapes are seen in cases where the demonic are concerned. It relies on this anonymity to conceal it’s identity. It’s main strength is the ability to conceal itself. By causing disbelief, confusion, and a general consensus of harmlessness, the demonic spirit operates best and at it’s full strength.
The demonic will try to scare and grab a foothold where infestation is concerned. This stages precedes encroachment, the stage where permission was granted either willingly or unwillingly for the spirit or spirits to take hold. This stage is much like phenomena caused by human spirit. Attention grabbers and minor scare tactics will arise to establish a fuel source. That fuel the very fear one throws off when experiencing that which they do not understand. It needs to be recognized to gain the ability to grow in intensity and needs it’s fuel composed of fear and basic human weaknesses.
Next, if the progression continues, oppression will set in. This stage is far greater than that of infestation. Now a mental barrage of temptation, terrible dreams, and fear may consume the person who is experiencing the assault of senses. Constant sleep depravation may be used as well to break down the targeted individual or individuals. The demonic knows the weaknesses of those who it attacks, using these weaknesses to continue to gain muscle and potency. Also the physical phenomena will increase in both duration and intensity. Larger, heavier objects will move, hard poundings may occur, actual biting and scratching may occur as part of the debasing physical assaults on the intended victim. Oppression may take weeks, months, or even years, and there is no guarantee if the barrage will work so the struggle often becomes more and more intense. Therefore, by slithering about, stalking the essence of the individual, it can be very constant and intensify as resistance is applied. There is no time in the spirit world, these sinister and cunning spirits trying to execute the most intelligent plan of attack to dominate and conquer the will of that person. It is this stage where the demonic is setting the person up for the ultimate goal and desire: possession.
Devils
Devils. The term is used to describe those negative spiritual beings which are higher up on the scale pertaining to ability. By categorical means, this spirit is essentially much more powerful, intelligent, and even more menacing and cunning. Where this callous spirit is concerned huge objects may be moved, the manipulation of blessed objects may occur, the materialization of matter, teleportation, levitations of humans and objects, and more vile behavior which transcends basic spirit activity.
These are in essence the commanders of the demonic militia. They will step in and take charge if need be and are more repulsive and sacrilegious than many can even imagine. The fear God because of their pride, the reason why they are shrouded in darkness to begin with.
Whether it is a demon or a higher-elevated monger of hate, one thing is for sure. You still have a problem to deal with. Few will come face to face with these satanic spirits, but those who have cannot doubt their existence.
I suggest that if you have a question, post one for him on his site at http://www.prsne.com/ | |
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| Do You Believe In Ghosts?
Posted: 3/15/2009 9:22:42 PM | My brother went to a medium a couple years ago. The woman actually sent him home
the first time, ststing that she was picking up nothing of importance from him. A month later she called him back in. She said a man was pacing her bedroom and looking at his watch. Said his name as well, and what he looked like. It was my grandfather to the letter, even the bejaviour of pacing and looking at the watch.
She said he needed to talk before he could "cross over" She did a meeting with him and wrote down all that he was saying, then handed the papers to my brother, asking him to read the contents on his own time. So who knows? Alot of investigation into Poltergeists (not that this was the case) says that we create our own energy, thus causing things to move. It's certainly interesting. I'm not planning on calling any psychic hotlines though. | |
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| Do You Believe In Ghosts?
Posted: 3/20/2009 1:09:55 PM |
I am sure that people were presumed dead who were not truly dead, such as the many cases of people being buried alive or frozen to near death yet they still were not truly clinically dead
Wow--funny you say that... it's my belief (or theory, rather) that that is exactly what happened 2000 years ago when Jesus was "resurrected." People were so ignorant then of the body and medicine and science. It sounds far more logical to me that he simply regained consciousness... not that he was brought back to life. It's curious that someone could be aware of that possibility/probability and still base all their beliefs on the bible.
But don't listen to any of us... we're probably just Satan's minions attempting to lead you astray  | |
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| Do You Believe In Ghosts?
Posted: 6/29/2009 10:12:03 PM | | Ghosts no: spirits yes and I have seen 2 of them. Just a thought when your mind stops is there anything left of you? My body stopped and all I had were my thoughts. Half way gone for a while but will never be totally gone. | |
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Posted: 6/29/2009 10:31:57 PM | | Let us see he was beaten so bad that you could not recognize him, his lungs were exposed from the beating and a soldier pierced his heart with a spear to insure he was dead. The water and blood that flowed out was pulmonary edema they pierced his heart, But he got up three days later and talked to people that knew him with out scaring them to death? Is your name Thomas? | |
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| Do You Believe In Ghosts?
Posted: 7/28/2009 8:16:27 PM | | I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE DIFFERENCE IS BETWEEN A GHOST AND A SPIRIT, BUT I DO BELIEVE IN SPIRITS, AND HAVE ACTUALLY WALKED THROUGH MY BROTHER'S SPIRIT, A FE NIGHTS LATER, HE CAME TO MY ROOM AND SAT AT THE END OF MY BED. I WASN'T AFRAID, BUT I WAS VERY STARTLED! ALL OF THE FRIENDS TAHT I'VE KNOW IN MY LIFE THAT HAVE ALREADY PASSED ON, WE ALL MADE A PACT AT DIFFERENT TIMES, THAT IF YOUCOULD COME BACK, THEN COME TO ME 3 MONTHS TO THE DAY OF YOUR DEATH, NOW THIS STARTED IN THE 70'S...I'VE LOST ALOT OF PPL A BROTHER AT 19 IN A DRUNK DRIVER WRECK, A BROTHER AT 38 THAT COMMITED SUICIDE, MY FATHER PASSED A FEW MONTHS AGO, AND MY BEAUTIFUL SISTER JUST 7 WEEKS AFTER MY FATHER, I HAD THE SAME CONVERSATION WITH MY DAD. BUT NOT WITH MY SIS...SO AS OF THIS DATE JULY '09 AND ALL THE PEOPLE I HAVE LOST , SO MANY YOUNG FRIENDS, ALL OF IT NOT ONE PERSON HAS COME TOME 3 MONTHS LATER! VERY DISAPPOINTED, BUT MAYBE THEY CAN'T. THIS STORY IS TOO LONG..I'LL UPDATE LATER | |
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| Do You Believe In Ghosts?
Posted: 8/19/2009 10:44:47 PM | If you scroll back a few pages, I love how the resident pantomime "cynic" includes every argument against the case of ghosts existence, disregarding the fact that science may not be capable, under the argument "consciousness is something that requires a physical part of the brain, which in fact dies. Without a living brain, consciousness cannot go on".
Yet no one here was saying, claiming, or implying that ghosts were "conscious". Any one who has had these experiences can tell you most of them do no act like a conscious person would. No one knows if anything gets embedded with the energy we emit.
Oh yeah, up until this year, the human body didn't give off light. Until science told news week this month. No, this isn't to spark an "aura debate"... settle down.
The fact that there are bullshitters on the television or in some over priced shop on Main Street aren't a valid proof of factual discount either. That's like saying heart surgery is a fraud because there are some cultures who believe those freaks who pretend to be pulling cancerous tissue from a patient when they are really just massaging them with raw meat hidden in their hand.
Most science also doesn't actually denounce the mind's ability to have psychic capabilities, some stronger in certain individuals, despite a lack of understanding it or being able to control it. By this guy's logic, you can denounce it by referencing the horribly misleading fraud of such TV "psychics" like John Edward. Nobody's shocked by you calling these guys bullshit... you're shooting fish in a the obvious barrel.
His witty clip of sharp intellectualism for people giving their experiences as examples as "you should see a psychiatrist! lol" (yeah... zing.. etc) completely ignoring the fact that other people at other times witnessed the same thing along with them in various lightings, contexts, states of mind, etc. Simultaneously.
Blame mental illness, fine.. even though scientific studies admit psychic phenom are more common with schizophrenics. Different parts of the brain are over active and can be triggered by malfunctions even if it's not of the paranoid sort. Have you ever taken a gander at the DSM-IV? If you like to take shots at the Bible's contradictions, I think you'll want to take a look at that puppy's journey over the last 30 or so years and see how far it's got (and this thing has LEGAL power.)
Many worlds theory? nah.. different planes? nah... ultraviolet, infared... that's all there is. What an arrogant outlook coming from a young civilization. | |
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