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| Do You Believe In Ghosts?
Posted: 12/11/2008 4:44:35 PM | a ghost is seen often by various people in the same place at similar times with matching descriptions
people see and feel similar or identical attributes
so there is two possibilities - the ghost world exists - an ethereal plane of existence where things not dead but not living exist and move between the worlds of the dead and the living
hmmmm possible
or
what do we understand about energy - resonance - and frequency so far ?
look straight ahead at your monitor and think of all you see when you focus your gaze at one point - because the areas to the far right left etc are not really being seen by your eyes but your brain is producing part of that image you see now
stay with me on this ;)
take hallucinogenic drugs - you will see things that are not there that do not exist!
visit patients of varying mental disorders at the extreme and they will tell you the things they see that do no exist
therefore the mind is capable of producing images and even sounds that are not or cannot be described as being physically there
soooooooooooo
can people leave resonance in areas - mood - emotion - our brains work in electricity and waves - a bit like a radio with very shortwave thought patterns
can perhaps these soak or imprint onto stone - wood - rock ?
so that when a living being enters the area they pick up the transmission - that transmission is read and interpretated by the brain - and the images are produced
ghosts exist - but the question is what are they - why are they never recorded perfectly on film or camera ? yet people seeeeeee them perfectly in the minds eye !
perhaps we are picking up a resonance and the brain simply replays the material into our visual field
that is why it cannot be captured on video or photographs to such an extent to be undeniable - but eye witness reports
eye witness - something we simply assume is soooo real because we know what we saw
well done if you trust your eyes so well ;) but really any hallucinogen from psilocin psilocybin or even the mighty LSD will quickly convince you that you can see what is not there as real as you can see this forum right now
so what then ;) if your minds eye can distort and have tricks played on it - then what is it people have seen or felt ?
not even with drugs - just go on the web and search for optical illusions and see how easily your eyes can deceive you to what is real and what is not
there is simply a lack of real understanding in the physical world and the mental world that clouds the argument of what a ghost actually is | |
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| Do You Believe In Ghosts?
Posted: 12/12/2008 8:18:44 AM |
>>>As far as the offer of a million bucks for proof of the paranormal, it’s a sham.
Nope- as the price went up over the years(beginning as a challenge for $100), so did the legality. Both sides must agree to what applies as a success, and what applies to as a failure- a contract describing that is signed, and the tests are conducted.
Then why doesn’t the double slit experiment qualify for the prize? It’s because as soon as something is proven to be true it is no longer paranormal, but science. If the existence of ghosts were ever demonstrated and proven it would no longer qualify as well. That’s why it is a sham.
Our technology is only a couple of hundred years old which is nothing compared to the age of the universe. What if we were to continue developing our technology for hundreds, thousands, millions of years. What if we learned to manipulate strings of energy the way we now can manipulate DNA? We could rewrite the laws of the universe. What if other civilizations have done this in the past. What if others learned to travel between universes, dimensions. What if other civilizations have existed for an infinite time and are now able to create and manipulate universes. There could very well be entities sitting beside you cloaked right now. Watching. Ghosts. Considering that logically we exist on an infinite plane, it is not so far fetched of an idea. | |
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| Do You Believe In Ghosts?
Posted: 12/12/2008 1:49:52 PM | >>>the ghost world exists....hmmmm possible
Possible?? What about our understanding of the universe makes it possible? There is no evidence that life continues to exist in another form after it is extinquished- none- its an arbirtary asumption, no more possible than after you die, your final thought floats up into the sky and turns into a snowflake.
>>>or
Gotta stop you right there- you only accept one of two possiblities- either ghosts exists, or a psychic resdue exists? What about the possiblity that neither are true- that ghosts do not exist, and the people who claim to have seen it are mistaken for various reasons?
>>>can people leave resonance in areas - mood - emotion - our brains work in electricity and waves - a bit like a radio with very shortwave thought patterns
An interesting hypothesis- but its never been recorded, and no evidence of these radio waves have appeared, ever. If I feel sad, trees around me don't get sick and it rains- there is no evidence that your emotions can actually alter your surroundings without you interpreting your emotions through your actions.
>>>so that when a living being enters the area they pick up the transmission
And the all important "how" comes into play- our brains interpret and send signals through nerves- Its a medical fact that if you sever someones nerves from their brain, then the brain stops receiving signals, and they stop gaining control of that part of the body.
You want us to believe there is a receiver in the brain, despite the fact that no such thing to be found within the brain, that takes in various waves and interprets them- also, no evidence of these waves either.
>>>can perhaps these soak or imprint onto stone - wood - rock ?
I know little on "waves" and radio signals and all that, but I'm pretty sure if you play the same song to a rock for years, or even a silent radio wave, then take the radio away, the rock won't then start sending radio signals.
Also, why wood? Isn't wood just as much a living corpse as being you say is sending these messages? Why aren't we picking up signals from trees? Or, and I cannot stress this enough, why aren't we picking up any signals, at all, from anything?
>>>ghosts exist
Are you certain? You're coming up with all these complex hypothesises before even questioning that all important question; Do ghosts exist?
>>>why are they never recorded perfectly on film or camera ? yet people seeeeeee them perfectly in the minds eye !
Maybe its the mind, the observer, thats the problem- not the film or camera. Wouldn't that be perfectly logical?
>>>perhaps we are picking up a resonance and the brain simply replays the material into our visual field
Why would our visual cortex pick it up but the visuals of the camera be incapible?
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>>>Then why doesn’t the double slit experiment qualify for the prize?
I'm assuming its because they never applied.
James Randi isn't the Santa Claus of Science, giving Millions of Dollars to good little scientists who prove fact that was previously believed false. You have to sign up for it, sign various contracts, and then, if its proven to be true, then you get your money.
>>>It’s because as soon as something is proven to be true it is no longer paranormal, but science.
Stop playing semantics- they sign contracts, they define what is and isn't- if someone comes in and proves that they can move things using their mind in a scientific enviroment, they aren't going to turn around and refuse to hand them the check cause its no longer paranormal. 
>>>What if we learned to manipulate strings of energy the way we now can manipulate DNA?
Will we learn how to do this by praying to the universe, or observing the universe?
>>>There could very well be entities sitting beside you cloaked right now.
Thats vaguely paranoia. The most obvious question would be why, followed by why don't they leave behind any trace of their existence? | |
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| Do You Believe In Ghosts?
Posted: 12/12/2008 1:53:57 PM | | I cant believe in ghosts because i dont believe in a soul. I believe that things have to make sense in terms of atoms and energy and ghosts clearly do not fit that profile | |
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| Do You Believe In Ghosts?
Posted: 12/12/2008 2:12:34 PM |
>>>Then why doesn’t the double slit experiment qualify for the prize?
I'm assuming its because they never applied.
Its because the prize is for proof of the paranormal, and science is not paranormal. It may be strange, unexplained, unbelievable, and much more, but not paranormal.
If there are ghosts, there is a scientific explanation for them. I personally haven't encountered any, but I don't discount them because science doesn't. | |
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| Do You Believe In Ghosts?
Posted: 12/12/2008 2:30:29 PM |
I cant believe in ghosts because i dont believe in a soul. I believe that things have to make sense in terms of atoms and energy and ghosts clearly do not fit that profile
Because ghosts are unexplained and atoms and energy is explained through multiple dimensions, and observer created reality.
Who says ghosts are peoples soul. This may be one explanation. There are many more likely possibilities. | |
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| Do You Believe In Ghosts?
Posted: 12/12/2008 4:37:45 PM | >>>Its because the prize is for proof of the paranormal, and science is not paranormal.
As I am writing this, I am typing it slowly- so please, read it as slowly as possible, and hopefully we can understand each other.
The Million Dollar Challenge is not a scam because of semantics. Even the use of paranormal and clear contradiction between the phrase "paranormal" and "science" does not make the challenge a scam.
The Challenges FAQ, which you never bothered to take a peak at before announcing the whole thing is a farce, even says;
2.2 What is the definition of “paranormal” in regards to the Challenge?
Webster’s Online Dictionary defines “paranormal” as “not scientifically explainable; supernatural.”
Within the Challenge, this means that at the time your application is submitted and approved, your claim will be considered paranormal for the duration. If, after testing, it is decided that your ability is either scientifically explainable or will be someday, you needn’t worry. If the JREF has agreed to test you, then your claim is paranormal. | |
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| Do You Believe In Ghosts?
Posted: 12/13/2008 4:42:52 AM | ^^^I think you have to log in to see the FAQs, so I didn't see them either. However, I did read about the purpose of this challenge and that's to prevent people like Sylvia Brown from taking advantage of grieving families after a loved one has passed away. For those who don't know of her, she's the one that claims she speaks with the dead and has a call-in show to answer questions using her psychic power.
So, I can't say whether the challenge is legitimate, but I admire their goal. People who claim to be psychic to take the vulnerable's money are a scorge on our society. However, because these parasitic individuals exist doesn't mean that there aren't legitimate phenomena that people experience. Perhaps over time with enough people trying the challenge they will eventually find a legitimate paranormal phenomenon. Statistically, even if more the most part the events are random and therefore not repeatable in a laboratory, if enough people attempt the challenge eventually one will be successful. | |
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| Do You Believe In Ghosts?
Posted: 12/13/2008 11:18:20 AM | >>>I think you have to log in to see the FAQs, so I didn't see them either.
Nope- theres a menubar right at the top of the link I provided earlier for the Million Dollar Challenge, and under it gives you info on the blog, application, and FAQ.
Heres a direct link;
http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/1m-challenge/challenge-faq.html
>>>However, because these parasitic individuals exist doesn't mean that there aren't legitimate phenomena that people experience.
While that may be possible, how can we tell the difference? Furthermore, what if the phenomena doesn't actually exist- that means we're committing two evils- we're supporting people to be maniplulated and lied to by parasitic individuals on one side, and on the other side we're promoting lies ourselves, possibly even harming people by giving their mental illness a sense of legitmacy.
If we have the means to discover the truth, then we should- and its through testing peoples hypothesis in a scientific enviroment where we will find answers- not concluding that we are simply ignorant, or assuming the universe is simply too complex to understand.
>>>Statistically, even if more the most part the events are random and therefore not repeatable in a laboratory, if enough people attempt the challenge eventually one will be successful.
So if a Million people go to this challenge claiming to see a Giant Spaghetti Dinosaur(a creature of my own creation), statsitically we'll find out they are true? Or is it also entirely possible, and frankly more statstically likely, that there is no Giant Spaghetti Dinosaur? | |
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| Do You Believe In Ghosts?
Posted: 12/13/2008 3:03:11 PM | Jiperly
Your direct link to the FAQs worked. I had a look through and it doesn't appear to be a scam. But, it seems the people who apply must be tested in front of media. In fact, in their words: "Keep in mind that if you cannot reliably perform your claim on command, it will be difficult to perform during the Challenge test."
For my one dream in my lifetime where everything in it transpired the following day, I wouldn't be able to prove that. Too bad: A million could come in handy
Our beliefs are formed by many factors, but one is personal experience. Because I had a precognitive dream, I believe they exist. Obviously you haven't had one, so that's going to influence your outlook....Given the laws of nature, I can understand your point of view. But going by my experience, my belief is that these events are random and that it isn't something that you can perform on command.
That's why I said that statistically, if you test enough people, eventually the random event will happen during one of the testing sessions. You're looking at it with the opinion that there is absolutely no legitimacy in the paranormal...I'm looking at it as if it does exist, but it's rare and random and pretty much possible to predict. | |
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| Do You Believe In Ghosts?
Posted: 12/13/2008 3:43:32 PM |
Our beliefs are formed by many factors, but one is personal experience. Because I had a precognitive dream, I believe they exist. Obviously you haven't had one, so that's going to influence your outlook....Given the laws of nature, I can understand your point of view. But going by my experience, my belief is that these events are random and that it isn't something that you can perform on command.
I used to be one who did not believe someone if they told me they had a precognitive dream, or that they saw what they perceived to be a ghost or some other sort of entity, or that strange, 'unexplainable' things had occured to them. There would always be some sort of scientific explanation for their story, in my mind. Yet after having many things come to my own awareness within the past several years, I could no longer dismiss anyone else's claims as hogwash, as it would be rather arrogant of me. I do know what I believe to be true in my beliefs, right now...though that is always subject to change...yet my beliefs should not cause me to automatically write off the legitimacy of anyone else's tenet. And I absolutely do agree that personal experience can make a huge difference in one's perception and beliefs.
One who stands firm in their own conclusions without being openminded to any other possibilities - or who is only out to disprove another's point of view because they are convinced that they are right - is not going to be open enough to accept anything other than what they already believe. Hopefully anyone conducting research and experiments will have the presence of mind to not dismiss any possibility. | |
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| Do You Believe In Ghosts?
Posted: 12/14/2008 2:03:30 AM | do I?
No i don't.
Not any convincing/uncontroversial evidence at all, only subjective eywitnesses statements full of fraud and misinterpretations of simple events. They are the result of the baseless assumption that souls exist. Theres no theory as to how the organised complexity, information storage or energy levels necessary could be maintained. They strongly contadict the laws of physics in terms of thermodynamics, entophy etc, and are an unnessessary/untenable biological construct.
And jesus never existed either.
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| Do You Believe In Ghosts?
Posted: 12/14/2008 1:23:55 PM | I have seen many spirits ( ghosts ) and they talk to me and let me help people who have lost someone , i am a psychic and i know that saying that is going to get three different responces.
1) I am nuts
2) belief from others
3) Concern for my soul as i am going to hell for it
I dont ask others to belive it thats up to them but i do, there is so much more we dont understand just because we cant see it or cant hear it, but if you think about it all through history people have been seeing spirits and been called nuts, or witches, or devil worshipers, but thats not stopped the spirits being seen, it just took it all underground, but nowadays more and more people are saying they either belive or the want to believe. | |
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| Do You Believe In Ghosts?
Posted: 12/15/2008 12:17:00 AM | >>>saying they either belive or the want to believe.
And yet we are no closer proving that they actually exist than we were centuries ago, when people were claiming to have mystic powers. You'd think there would have been one person out of the thousands or even millions you've claimed to have existed that could prove their powers actually exist in a scientific enviroment- but you'd think wrong.
And what you said is percisely the problem with that line of reasoning- that people want it to be true. But that isn't examining the universe, and through that gaining a greater understanding- its projecting it. We will not find any truths if we assume facts with no evidence to back it up- and it is esspecially harmful if we accept assumptions as fact that defy and contradict truths we've gained from observing the universe- like how the only known form of life has to have some form of phsyical existence, like how there is no evidence of a conciousness ever leaving the body, with all evidence supporting the notion that conciousness requires a healthy, phsyical brain- how there is no evidence of emotion alone ever affecting its surroundings, how you want us to believe in a lifeform that is born from death, and can enter and exist phsyical existance - all of these defy previously examined truths about life, physics, and our reality as a whole- and all of these facts are ignored because you WANT an universe where your conciousness exists after death, but it is not actually observed to exist that way.
We will not progress as a society or even species as a whole if we allow our means to observe the natural universe, science, to be maniplulated because we'd prefer the universe to run how we'd like it to, rather than how it is. | |
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| Do You Believe In Ghosts?
Posted: 12/15/2008 4:25:33 AM | Personally I don't believe that everyone who has ever encountered 'ghosts', 'entities', 'spirits' - whatever one wishes to define them as - has had this happen as a result of wanting it to take place. There are those who have had things take place who absolutely did not believe. I am one who used to think along the lines of 'until it has been scientifically proven, I do not believe in ghosts/ufo's/souls, etc.'. Yes, there are those who may want to see something 'otherworldly', and thus read into an otherwise physically explainable sighting or an event; however, there are also those who have had no such desire, yet have had things happen to them that defied any scientific explanation.
I believe that we would never have progressed as a society, nor will we continue to progress if we do not have the ones who are willing to open their minds to possibilities other than that which they have concluded is true, or is not. Because something has yet to be 'proven' does not mean it does not exist. Of course it does not mean that because someone says it took place, that they are absolutely correct in their interpretation, but it also does not mean that they are wrong until proven otherwise.
Perhaps there are some things that exist in our universe which all of our research and investigation has yet to actually be able to 'prove'. This is one possibility of so many. Technology and research has come a long way, but we are certainly not at the peak of our advancements; there are so many things that we as humans have yet to discover. And there may be some things that will always defy scientific explanation. The debate between a believer in the 'unexplained' and a non-believer can run on forever, with the believer insisting that what they experienced was true, and the non-believer stating there is always a rationality for it so they must be wrong; so it is best left up to the individual to decide for themselves what is correct in their beliefs and experiences and what is not. | |
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| Do You Believe In Ghosts?
Posted: 12/15/2008 9:21:59 AM | richone, i am inclined to No. 1. as you have not included other choices.
Unless you've got some proof you want to share, it just remains anecdotal. Mental illness or other causes of halucinations are a far more parsimonious explanation than the supernatural. What you do about these voices depends on your ego, your honesty and your wisdom in coming to terms with whats really happening to you.
Of course people have seen 'ghosts' throughout the ages. I expect the incidence was far greater before modern drugs too. Proves nothing. | |
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| Do You Believe In Ghosts?
Posted: 12/15/2008 10:32:44 AM |
The Million Dollar Challenge is not a scam because of semantics. Even the use of paranormal and clear contradiction between the phrase "paranormal" and "science" does not make the challenge a scam.
perhaps scam is too harsh a word. However it is set up so that it will never be challenged successfully.
There are two scientific experiments that should qualify. one is the double slit experiment where photons can be changed from particle to wave merely through observation. The other is the japanese experiment where water crystals are changed through thought. I am not that familiar with the japanese experiment, however I have heard it was repeated with scientific scrutiny.
Come on Jiperly, Enter either one of these experiments and prove me wrong. There is a million bucks up for grabs if you are right. | |
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| Do You Believe In Ghosts?
Posted: 12/15/2008 1:23:11 PM | >>>has had this happen as a result of wanting it to take place.
I agree- but certainly a great deal of them want it or even aches for it. And for these people, it seems to happen.
>>>however, there are also those who have had no such desire, yet have had things happen to them that defied any scientific explanation.
And they still come to the conclusion that they are more comfortable with. We all have seen things we cannot explain- its a perfectly natural human phenomon- but it seems a select few conclude that the only explaination is the impossible is, indeed, possible- because its simpler to say the universe is at fault rather than to say your perceptions are.
>>>I believe that we would never have progressed as a society, nor will we continue to progress if we do not have the ones who are willing to open their minds to possibilities other than that which they have concluded is true, or is not.
Granted, but these people must do so under the premise of objective observation- there must be more evidence that ghosts exists outside of "my cousin Phil once saw a strange light coming from the bathroom", or even "I saw my grandma glowing over my bed one night"
I refuse to be an intelliectual whore, accepting all theories and beliefs on equal grounds- openmindedness is great when theres evidence to the contary- but there isn't- there is merely a hypothesis to explain what people see, but no actual changes in our reality. I've said it before- I'd re-evaluate my beliefs if there was some conclusive evidence found- hell, I'm pretty sure I've promoted people to find and discover evidence to challenge me more than anyone else in this thread- but that doesn't mean I should accept contradicting beliefs. If the human life is dependant on keeping the brain safe and alive, then the belief that you can exist without a brain is a direct and complete contradiction of previously observed and proven facts.
>>>Because something has yet to be 'proven' does not mean it does not exist.
True, but if there is no evidence that something exist other than the conviction of the human mind doesn't make it anything more than a faith- a belief- not a fact.
Furthermore, using that form of logic could literally destory all the knowledge and science that we've gained over the years, because any claims made by anyone could in turn contradict previously observed realities.
Its like me saying that everyone is born with invisible pirate hats on their heads- I have no evidence, although you sometimes can catch a glimpse of them if the light is in your eye at the right angle- would you accept you have a pirate hat on your head solely and entirely on my convictions, or would you need evidence to believe it? Because no one has proven the pirate hat isn't there, does that mean that one day they will prove it is?
People could spend centuries trying to find ways to prove ghosts exist- but the notion that we don't have the knowledge yet isn't proof that there are pirate hats on our heads. I really, really despise the idea that "We can't explain ghosts right now- but someday we might"- because it assumes theres anything to explain at all.
Do you believe in Alchemy? Is it possible to work, only we haven't figured out how to turn lead into gold yet? The creed of "openmindedness" as a means for greater knowledge only breeds greater ignorance.
>>>so it is best left up to the individual to decide for themselves what is correct in their beliefs and experiences and what is not.
Why is that? Facts are neither democratic nor do they change between person and person- if one person looks at a glass and says its full of grape juice, and another person looks at a glass and says its completely empty, they cannot both be left up to determine the reality of the situation, because then they would contradict each other. There is such a thing as an objective reality- and science is the method of observing it. And in an objective reality, there cannot be contradictions. Something cannot be all white and all black- something cannot be bright and dark- reality exists without the observer, and its only through observing the universe objectively can we come to any sound and reasonable conclusions.
What, persay, would be evidence that ghosts do NOT exist? After all, theres plenty of evidence that ghosts do not exist, including but not limited to the fact that one has never been observed in scientific conditions- but you continue to claim it does- so show us how open minded you are- explain what contitions would prove ghosts do not exist?
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>>>However it is set up so that it will never be challenged successfully.
Thats the intention. Its set up by skeptics to allow believers to express their beliefs in a scientific enviroment. It isn't made with the malicious intent to never be challenged successfully- rather, it is made with the conviction that there is nothing to be proved.
That been said, thats the wonderful thing about science- you can still prove them wrong if the contary evidence does infact exist.
>>>Come on Jiperly, Enter either one of these experiments and prove me wrong.
I'm not aware of the experiments, nor do I agree with their conclusions. It would be unethical for me to enter them under that premise.  | |
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| Do You Believe In Ghosts?
Posted: 12/15/2008 3:09:52 PM | I'm pretty sure that the Japanese experiment where water crystals were altered through thought were not replicatable.
I think the double-slit experiment is legit and it's what the physicists use to argue that there are multiverses rather than just our universe. | |
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| Do You Believe In Ghosts?
Posted: 12/15/2008 5:55:05 PM | | I do, even though I have never personally seen one, but I believe that science will never be able to explain certain things. With that said I respect everyone’s beliefs on the matter. I mean who am I to judge someone’s beliefs in regards to rather ghost do or do not exist considering neither science or belief can provide evidence of either or. | |
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| Do You Believe In Ghosts?
Posted: 12/15/2008 8:25:15 PM | The photons don't change due to observation, and the Japanese ice crystal experiment has been shown to be completely false, with data-picking the only way to reproduce the alleged results.
It is this crucial lack of scientific foundation that prevents Dr. Emoto’s work from attracting interest by widely accepted and respected scientists at long-standing research institutions. This is unfortunate for the world if there is, after all, truth to his claims--as reproduction of his results by any scientist would lend much credence to his work. A little change in Emoto’s experimental design would do great things for the credibility of his claims. I recommend the following to ground his work in sound scientific principle:
Eliminate the possibility of the scientist’s bias affecting the experiment’s results by implementing double blind procedures.
Publish the entire collection of photos for all water sample tests that he has performed, not just the ones that support his claim.
Minimize the sources of possible error in his procedures, such as variation in temperature and humidity between sample.
Pay more attention to the time-tested methods of the scientific community rather than disregarding them. Emoto’s research could go much farther if he could interest scientists around the world in testing his hypothesis.
After the lengthy review of Emoto’s research methods and results, I have come to believe that Dr. Emoto is offering pseudoscience to the masses in the guise of defensible research. Only time and review by others will tell if there is any truth at the heart of Mr. Emoto’s claims, as Emoto himself thoroughly believes in his findings but does not value the scientific method or community. What is truly fearsome is the great numbers of people that accept his words as proven facts without looking deeper to find out if his claims are truly justified. While I respect Dr. Emoto’s desire to save the Earth’s water from contamination and pollution, unless he can produce a scientific paper and get it published in a scientific journal, I believe that he will continue to be ignored by the scientific community, and his claims will never be soundly proved or disproved
—Kristopher Setchfield[
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masaru_Emoto | |
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| Do You Believe In Ghosts?
Posted: 12/16/2008 9:55:18 AM | | OOBEs (out of body experiences) have proved to me that there is something like a soul and that it can live independantly from the body. OOBEs are a quite widespread and repeatable phenomena, though there are multiple conflicting theories as to what they actually are. | |
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Posted: 12/16/2008 11:05:02 AM | I'm not going to get into Out of Body Experiences, but one minor, unimportant thing got to me there;
Why did you abbreviate the word "of" for Out of Body Experiences? Shouldn't it be OBE, not OOBE? | |
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| Do You Believe In Ghosts?
Posted: 12/16/2008 3:05:10 PM | Ok, you are right about Dr. Emoto.
As far as the double slit experiment, the photons change due to an unexplained reason, which happens to coincide with an observer attempting to measure them. Not proof of the supernatural. However there will never be proof of the supernatural. Science is not supernatural.
When I was a young teenager we used to play a mind reading game. It worked every time without fail. Funny thing was though that the people involved had to believe it to work. If you were a skeptic it didn't seem to work.
Life is a lot more mysterious than the Newtonists would have us believe. | |
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| Do You Believe In Ghosts?
Posted: 12/16/2008 3:41:42 PM | So of the believers in ghosts...have you ever tried a Ouija Board? My sister and I had one and both of us claimed we did not move the piece. I believe her, of course. It spelled out words, none of which meant anything to us, but were words nonetheless.
The previous post about having to be a believer made me think of that because my sister and I had faith in each other that the other wasn't manipulating the piece. In our case, we didn't receive any coherent messages from the "other side"...but it did move, which was odd. Has any of you who believe in ghosts received messages that made you think they were from someone who passed away? | |
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