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| Humans created by Aliens: Plausible theory?
Posted: 4/22/2009 11:40:31 AM |
Actually no one here really cares what you believe.
Well, your beliefs don't exactly dictate how may day is going to go either, but thanks for pointing out your own sense of personal superiority.
We're just putting information out there for people who are interested in the subject and care to think outside the box.
So obviously, you want people to share your beliefs or we wouldn't even hear from you. As for thinking "outside the box," clearly that is an over-worn statement. However, it applies to the beginning of the process. You can think outside the box all you want, but if it only leads to the same tired, circular arguments you seem to rely on, there really isn't any original thinking taking place at all.
So let me summarize. You believe the government is hiding proof of UFOs. You have no evidence. Neither does our esteemed astronaut. But we're supposed to believe you and him because, well, you're you and he's him. If we don't, well than clearly we're not as smart as either one of you. You know the truth. We don't.
Am I close? | |
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| Humans created by Aliens: Plausible theory?
Posted: 4/22/2009 12:01:27 PM | so .... because Cortez went to Mexico [not Mexico at the time] that means
he created the Aztecs ...
[because they believed a bearded white guy said he was coming back]
that is your logic in relation to E.T ... visitors and this discussion.
not my logic at all ... we still have no reason to believe ... Humans were created by Aliens... most of this forum is just smoke and mirrors off on a tangent that could never even get close to answering the question asked.
drop the bickering b.s. and start expressing some real thoughts on the question. | |
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| Humans created by Aliens: Plausible theory?
Posted: 4/22/2009 12:43:05 PM | Thorb, NO the Aztec were already there... They were visited from some "white god" no body said beard that came from the sky....
Cortez being this fine pale skinned man came from over the Horizon, so sadly wishful thinking on the Aztec's part was HE was the white god...
NOW Mormonism took this to mean that it was "JESUS", visiting his OTHER flock during his time away from being crucified, and resurrection. Thus these so called poor savages were tricked into believing that Cortez was this WHITE GOD, and this mofo wanted gold... Ok, apparently that fit in the script of the "WHITE GOD" that visited before, so sadly he fit the bill...
Real thoughts... Sigh the fact is we don't know, except for what some find as plausible, and some that say it's equine fecal matter. One person brings up who they think is an expert, the other side shoots that person down as someone that has fanciful thinking...
I find the big bang fanciful thinking... WHY because we don't have the proof that is being demanded for alien alteration . However we have this monster gaps of time in history that is perfectly logical to evolutionist, that these creatures were just hanging out for millions of years, just living... Not really evolving all that fast, in fact taking millions of years to evolve...
Then we have a knowledge explosion, that occurs in a little over a hundred years, and that is supposed to be just as logical as the millions of years of stagnation...
Reality... What is logical to one, is fanciful thinking to another... What is logical to another, you are a smart guy you get the picture...
It is like unless someone can really come up with something extremely brilliant, that is so undeniable (like that will happen for either side) we are spinning our wheels in a rut... An entertaining one, but still a rut... | |
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| Humans created by Aliens: Plausible theory?
Posted: 4/22/2009 2:03:41 PM |
I find the big bang fanciful thinking... WHY because we don't have the proof that is being demanded for alien alteration .
But thyme, you could book time on a telescope tonight and, with the right equipment and know-how, find actual evidence of the Big Bang. Spectrographic study of galaxies and galaxy clusters all over the sky show that they are racing away from each other. In the early 1990s, the Cosmic Background Explorer gave us a first map of the cosmic microwave background, the explosion's afterglow.
And, before you ask, let me anticipate you're next "Yeah, but..." No, this doesn't answer anything about why the Big Bang happened. But that's a related but separate line of inquiry. However, the question of whether or not a big bang occurred is pretty much answered. The evidence is overwhelming.
But let's be fair. If we're missing the evidence for alien intervention in human evolution, tell us what it is. I'm more than willing to consider the possibility. In fact, actual evidence of some kind of evidence if alien influence in our evolution would be record-breaking science. Is it genetic? Is it a particular part in the human "family tree?"
Or is this going to result in more (and fruitless) admonitions that I should have an "open mind." | |
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| Humans created by Aliens: Plausible theory?
Posted: 4/22/2009 2:25:06 PM | As for going back to anthropology. The pyramids are easy, there was a readily available workforce of 25,000 strong, not slaves mind you. There are quary sites a hundred miles away. They could have easily sent these stones down the nile using logs imported from up north. Of course it's estimated they would have needed several million. The labor site has been excavated and examined, it existed. They didn't have the wheel but they had ramps, pullys, and sleds which using several hundred men could have logically hauled these stones up a strategically built incline. The only problem I have with this is that to create the ramps up the sides of the pyramids they would have needed twice the stone of the great pyramid of Giza. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt and say they used those stones for other monuments and lesser pyramids.
Machu Pichu, there is no substantial labor site to house the several thousand workers needed to create it. The stones excavated were from several thousand feet below where the site was constructed. It is not impossible but damn near so to expect a couple thousand men to haul 80-100 ton blocks up steep verticle mountain terrain covered in thick sweltering jungle rocky terrain. Anthropologists say they used ropes and just dragged them up slopes with very jagged inclines. The inertia and force of drag would have made it almost impossible for laborors to drag those stones up a few thousand feet of very rough terrain. This answer just doesn't fly with me. It defies the ability of the labor source and the integrity of the ropes strength needed to drag these stones almost literally vertically up a mountainside. My question, why bother, why go through the trouble to impress their gods?
Another Example is Nan Midal, if your interested I'll provide a far more extrordinary site often overlooked. | |
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| Humans created by Aliens: Plausible theory?
Posted: 4/22/2009 4:45:19 PM | Star gazer, it falls under fruitless, because anything I point out gets ambushed as BS...
I find the big bang fanciful because they state nothing created the universe... NOTHING, NOTHING...How the hell do you create something out of nothing... There had to be SOMETHING, somewhere...
We can say a big something occurred, but it is a big bang of nothingness... What is it the equivalent of the tiny little spongies, that grow into really big things mixed with water... Or in this cause, mixed with more ummm Nothing????
That is why I find it fanciful...It doesn't make logical sense, and at this moment until we have MORE info as to HOW nothing can create a universe I shall be looking for JUST a little more info...
I gave the 15% of neg rh factor... We don't know why..
We don't know why primates have 48 chromosomes and man kind 46... We have the assumption that it is completely logical that we just evolved.. Dropped off a couple chromosomes, and then changed from this funky ass low intelligent knuckle dragger's to humans that can create the huge fantastic insane mess in just a couple thousand years...
I don't have empirical proof... In fact I don't have the time to go into the university library to prove a point that will not matter to you or others that believe what you do...
So, let's be fair... You think it is totally NOT PLAUSIBLE, I find it plausible... I find it PLAUSIBLE that both happened... And perhaps even more than we know... I find that plausible, because as of yet I don't believe and scientists can back me on this, we know or understand all there is to know or understand...
We can spat back and forth, and I can agree with certain points, yet there is not a lot that goes the other way around.. OK, no issue... I am not into organized religion and don't want someone telling me they have prayed for me, and it has taken my problems away...
I get it... I respect it... | |
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| Humans created by Aliens: Plausible theory?
Posted: 4/22/2009 5:01:05 PM | Xzan, I think you misunderstood my question; lemme try again
I think the Government is incompetent- I think anything they attempts turns to shit and further deprives us of our liberty.
What is it the Government does that makes you think they could pull off a conspirsity like the one you claim they are doing- hiding aliens? Is it the excellent track record in healthcare? In the postal service? Emergency Response? In the justice service?
Where do you think the Government has an excellent enough track record to think they can pull something like that off? | |
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| Humans created by Aliens: Plausible theory?
Posted: 4/22/2009 5:05:32 PM | David ... your answer is in the link on the previous page and on a few other past pages that you obviously haven't bothered to read.
Thyme .... the Cortez thing was a simile to E.T. visiting us ...
He fell into a past story ... legend ... myth ... of their gods
E.T falls into ours ... Ezekial etc. ....
Visitations do not a creation make. | |
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| Humans created by Aliens: Plausible theory?
Posted: 4/22/2009 5:36:54 PM | | Non Madil http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nan_Madol now I've read studies that the labor force required to create this site would be been 50,000 strong. My research revealed that there wasn't a population base in that time which encompased 3,000 miles. It's in the middle of the ocean with 200 ton blocks strategically placed into exact alignement. There is no known record of any labor force available to support the ability to create this site. Did aliens do it, probably not, but there seems to be a reoccuring theme that ancient humans had an ancient knowledge lost to people of today. | |
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| Humans created by Aliens: Plausible theory?
Posted: 4/22/2009 5:39:46 PM | | I hope you don't attempt to get me started on the Mayans. Because these guys define the very nature of communication with the gods. Are they real? I can't say for certain. But given their advanced calendar system which was given to them by Kukalcon, I can't rule it out. | |
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| Humans created by Aliens: Plausible theory?
Posted: 4/22/2009 5:49:51 PM | I don't care anymore, what are you saying? What is your interpretation of aliens thorb? I want to know? What I think doesn't matter, tell me your input? Enlighten me???????? I should also point out if any answer was as easy as you define, you wouldn't be here talking to me!!!
Come on buddy, enlighten my misenterpretted beliefs??? | |
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| Humans created by Aliens: Plausible theory?
Posted: 4/22/2009 7:39:50 PM |
Where do you think the Government has an excellent enough track record to think they can pull something like that off?
The could pull it off for a certain amount of time. I'm not selling of my world possessions and building the embasy or anything, but I wouldn't be suprised if we had a little 'special report' on our TVs in the next 10 to 40 years. But then again who knows... not me! | |
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| Humans created by Aliens: Plausible theory?
Posted: 4/22/2009 7:43:18 PM | davidartist,
English links would be helpful.
That said , Nan Madol isn't all that ancient nor is its construction particularly mysterious. For one thing , the largest stones are roughly 25 tons. That's not all that gargantuan. Secondly , you're over-complicating this by a wide degree. We may not know exactly how it was built but it doesn't mean we can't think of plausible methods that were accessible to the builders of the site.
For example , people look at the 340 ton obelisk from Egypt and ask themselves "How did they lift that thing ?" Who says they ever had to ? They might have basically built a hill , dragged it up there , and then lowered it into place. It's not like they didn't have the materials for the hill just blowing around in the wind.
Just because they didn't have television doesn't mean they were too stupid to figure this sort of stuff out for themselves. How was Nan Madol built ? I don't know but I'll bet the people who built it would have some less than pleasant words for those of us today who figure they were too stupid to build the city themselves. | |
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| Humans created by Aliens: Plausible theory?
Posted: 4/22/2009 9:12:22 PM |
So obviously, you want people to share your beliefs or we wouldn't even hear from you.
I don't want anyone to share my beliefs. People have their own. I'm simply sharing mine.
You have no evidence.
I never said I had no evidence. I have no tail fin from an alien craft if that's what you mean. But I HAVE done an FOIA request to all intelligence agencies probably 5 or 6 years go, for all information they have in their possession about UFOs, retrievals, EBEs, etc. and, three months later received nearly three reams of paper on the subject. Only one problem. Over 80% of the reports were blacked out. Redacted. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to interpret that. The vast majority of this country do believe they've seen UFOs. Reports numbering in the tens of thousands of sightings exist.
But again, I'm not trying to convince you of anything. I simply don't care what you believe or don't believe.
But we're supposed to believe you and him because, well, you're you and he's him
Ok. For the tenth time. I don't give a rats behind what you believe. Perhaps your reading comprehension is preventing you from grasping that concept. Once and for all I DO NOT CARE. You can ignore a scientist like Edgar Mitchell if you choose. You can call him a crackpot if you like. That's more a reflection on you than him. So let's drop it shall we?
If we don't, well than clearly we're not as smart as either one of you. You know the truth. We don't.
Am I close?
You're close to something but I tell you, I'll probably get banned.
most of this forum is just smoke and mirrors off on a tangent that could never even get close to answering the question asked.
If you really think that, you're really spending an inordinate of time in it. If you're not just trolling for giggles, you must be really frightened of the concept of the existence of UFOs.
drop the bickering b.s.
Sorry pal but it's you and your friends that are doing all the bickering. Try to control yourself.
Star gazer, it falls under fruitless, because anything I point out gets ambushed as BS...
Which is why we shouldn't be feeding the trolls. Otherwise they keep coming back LMAO. | |
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| Humans created by Aliens: Plausible theory?
Posted: 4/22/2009 10:28:45 PM | I enjoy the academia. And admit I haven't read all 38 pages of posts. But on the subject, it's really simple. Who/What civilization/species ISN'T an alien to another?
All Monotheistic & Multitheistic societies share the sense that their creator/facilitator was extraterrestial. Of course we create what we become. But we didn't create ourselves, when
we were born (reincarnation is another post).
Of course we/our Terra is Special. It's just that we aren't the only special ones/place. | |
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| Humans created by Aliens: Plausible theory?
Posted: 4/23/2009 7:36:51 AM | Okay, bluesman, but since this is a discussion forum, then the fact is that other people are pretty much free to express opinions that counter yours and not be accused of being naive or "trolls." You want to share you beliefs, fine. Just don't be surprised, in an open discussion forum, to have them challenged by those with a different and arguably higher standard of evidence. If you can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen.
So the government sent you a bunch of papers in response to your request for information on UFOs and you got a bunch of material that was ridacted. Can you state unequivocally that the ridacted material had anything to do with alien ships, alien creatures, etc.? Hey, it's suspicious, I'll give you that. But it's not what I would call "smoking gun" evidence. And yet, somehow, I'm supposed to interpret that as, what? Proof positive of your assertion? A black line on a piece of paper means they're hiding the truth of UFOs? In fact, the cynic in me would have to wonder if there is something to be gained by a large organization such as the military for encouraging the perception - misinformation, as it were.
you must be really frightened of the concept of the existence of UFOs.
Presumptuous, somewhat? Why? What's to be afraid of? My guess is the poster is smart enough to know that, if extraterrestrial craft - let's call them what you think they are - exist, and they were going to be a problem, wouldn't they already be by now?
Or maybe you've missed his point. The point of which was the question posed by the OP: humans created by aliens plausible or not? And, in 38 pages, we've gone from the OP to crop circles, government cover-ups and conspiracies and anything else under the sun - the usual nonsense that revolves around this sort of topic.
Again, if Edgar Mitchell is such a competent scientist, then why does he not present something a scientist would appreciate - evidence! Even the staunchest string theorist, for instance, knows their theories won't hold water without evidence.
Oh yes, hundreds of thousands of people have seen UFOs in the sky...but what were they? Largely unidentified. Might be spaceships from another world. Could be weather balloons. Could be Venus. Or could be identifiable things that believers simply choose to misinterpret...airplanes, Iridium flares, regular satellites.
Here's another scenario: the U.S. military sets up a facility (with full knowledge of the locals, by the way) in which to develop and test experimental aircraft. Perfectly terrestrial in origin, possibly years in advance of what's in the sky but nonetheless terrestrial. Ah, but here's the thing. There's this fascination with lights in the sky. Everyone is saying UFO. Hollywood has jumped on that bandwagon. How can we use it?
So, they come up with a plan...classic misdirection. You have all these people fascinated with alien technology. Encourage the belief that, at this perfectly obvious and well-known, although officially unacknowledged base, they are developing aircraft based on "alien technology." You even hire a guy, say Bob Lazar, to sell the UFO people on that story.
That way, you keep people from actually hitting on technology that really is going on. How does that sound as a scenario? Or is that just too naive and unbelievable? | |
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| Humans created by Aliens: Plausible theory?
Posted: 4/23/2009 8:29:07 AM | http://news.yahoo.com/s/space/20090423/sc_space/discoveryofearthmassplanetlooms
2 planets found that are exoplanets, that are earth like... Coolness... 30% of these stars have exoplanets...
Even better a BLOB in space was discovered...http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090423/ap_on_sc/us_sci_space_blob;_ylt=AvVNtEdkcE.WwQYOeZ2nhUQPLBIF
They don't know what it is, but think it is special...Hmmmmm something "special in space"
VVVVVVVStargazer, yes it is an amazing place, to bad I don't have big telescope to what it myself... the Observatories are a bit far from where I live...
But there is nothing like laying under a star covered sky out in the deep woods away from light noise. Ohhh well being on a cruise ship and watching the sky is simply amazing as well... | |
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| Humans created by Aliens: Plausible theory?
Posted: 4/23/2009 8:46:27 AM | Hey nexthyme, adding to the coolness factor!
http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/Most_Distant_Detection_Of_Water_In_The_Universe_999.html
http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/Two_Highly_Complex_Organic_Molecules_Detected_In_Space_999.html
Space is an amazing place. | |
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| Humans created by Aliens: Plausible theory?
Posted: 4/23/2009 2:08:53 PM | >>>but I wouldn't be suprised if we had a little 'special report' on our TVs in the next 10 to 40 years.
But thats exactly my point- Watergate, they couldn't keep quiet- Area 51, they couldn't keep quiet- Lewinsky, they couldn't keep quiet- but for some reason, aliens crash landing in the states and their technology stolen and handed out to dozens of private contractors to be examined by thousands of engineers and developed weapons with- they keep all that quiet? | |
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| Humans created by Aliens: Plausible theory?
Posted: 4/23/2009 2:26:23 PM |
VVVVVVVStargazer, yes it is an amazing place, to bad I don't have big telescope to what it myself
Actually, thyme, you don't need a "big" telescope. One of my favourites in my collection is a three-inch refractor and it does very well. Granted, you're not going to see any strange creatures, unless a bug gets stuck in the eyepiece (happened to me once while looking at the moon, almost freaked!). But that's alright. What you can see is amazing. | |
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| Humans created by Aliens: Plausible theory?
Posted: 4/23/2009 3:45:50 PM | | Not at all plausible. It has been reported that human and chimpanzee genomes vary by just 1.2 percent. Therefore modern gene research gives us even more reason to believe we evolved from primates, not extra-terestrial life forms, which have yet to be discovered. The fact that ET's are given arms and legs, walk upright, speak american english (never given a southern accent), in alien encounter stories gives them away as just people's imagination. | |
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| Humans created by Aliens: Plausible theory?
Posted: 4/23/2009 3:52:11 PM |
>>>but I wouldn't be suprised if we had a little 'special report' on our TVs in the next 10 to 40 years.
But thats exactly my point- Watergate, they couldn't keep quiet- Area 51, they couldn't keep quiet- Lewinsky, they couldn't keep quiet- but for some reason, aliens crash landing in the states and their technology stolen and handed out to dozens of private contractors to be examined by thousands of engineers and developed weapons with- they keep all that quiet?
You only get to find out about the conspiracies that fail. That they even try to keep such things secret (watergate, lewinsky...) implies that they are sometimes successful. | |
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| Humans created by Aliens: Plausible theory?
Posted: 4/23/2009 4:20:14 PM | Yes, but the most extreme and mind blowing ones are the ones kept secret? After all the people who were supposively "in on it"?
Doesn't that seem.....implausible? | |
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| Humans created by Aliens: Plausible theory?
Posted: 4/23/2009 4:30:49 PM | Funcuz, tell me this
How did they accomplish these feats? http://www.world-mysteries.com/mpl_5.htm the temple of Jupiter has 3 stones weighing 800 tons each. And I can find links of stones which were placed into alignement well over twice that weight.
Like I said, there isn't a crane on the planet today capable of moving more then 400 tons. There really isn't an explanation on how this was done which satisfies me. | |
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