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| Humans created by Aliens: Plausible theory?
Posted: 4/23/2009 4:57:17 PM | | Not at all, its that the only answer given seems to defy the means of not only our understanding of the people of the day but the MEANS of todays technology as well. This simply makes me question if they could actually do it on their own or if they had a technology we don't understand today? | |
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| Humans created by Aliens: Plausible theory?
Posted: 4/23/2009 4:58:23 PM |
Just don't be surprised, in an open discussion forum, to have them challenged by those with a different and arguably higher standard of evidence.
Challenging beliefs are fine. I do it all the time. But calling people delusion and/or cranks is NOT alright and I won't stand for being insulted and no one else here should have to stand for that either.
Can you state unequivocally that the ridacted material had anything to do with alien ships, alien creatures, etc.?
If over 80% of the materials sought dealing with a request for information dealing with nothing BUT UFOs, EBEs, crash retrievals and other information about the UFO phenomena, what do YOU think the redacted materials were about?
if Edgar Mitchell is such a competent scientist, then why does he not present something a scientist would appreciate - evidence!
That sounds an awful lot like "dear, if you really loved me, you'd buy me a Mercedes".
Are you saying he's NOT a competent scientist? Do you seriously think the DOD would ALLOW Mitchell to do so?
Hollywood has jumped on that bandwagon. How can we use it?
Now YOU sound like a conspiracy theorist. It's all Hollywood's doing?
You even hire a guy, say Bob Lazar
Debunkers have been trying for years to discredit Robert Lazar - unsuccessfully, I might add. Do you have new information suggesting he's lying about what he says? Show me. | |
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| Humans created by Aliens: Plausible theory?
Posted: 4/23/2009 5:04:02 PM | Jiperly, Like I said, I place myself on the chopping block for questioning the establishment and offering alternative perspectives even if they don't have any evidence. People like me are naturally attacked because it is easier to do so then try and empathize from the attacked individual's perspective.
Rather then have to constantly defend myself, I'd like to hear about other people's alternative perspectives without scientific evidence so that I may come up with an idea or concept from them which further validates or gets them to re-think their idea. That's what I'm all about.
I feel I'm wasting too much energy defending myself when I could be helping further somebody elses ideas and thoughts. | |
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| Humans created by Aliens: Plausible theory?
Posted: 4/23/2009 6:22:08 PM | | I'm a theorist by nature, I'd have to say I've read and heard many of the arguments, then awhile back I realized in the end what does it matter? Unless they come back and tell us that we're all their experiement, etc. does it matter? Not really. It's fun to think about though I guess just don't think to hard :W | |
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| Humans created by Aliens: Plausible theory?
Posted: 4/23/2009 7:07:04 PM |
Now YOU sound like a conspiracy theorist. It's all Hollywood's doing?
Yup, double standards are fun. You can accuse that great big "them" of hiding the "truth" without a stitch of actual real evidence, just innuendo. However, I turn it around and....
Oh yeah, there is a book about Hollywood's role in the present UFO phenomenon. I guess it's a question of suggestion. If people have preconceived notions of extraterrestrial visitation, we're going to see accounts that reflect that preconception.
Debunkers have been trying for years to discredit Robert Lazar - unsuccessfully, I might add. Do you have new information suggesting he's lying about what he says? Show me.
See above re: double standards.
That sounds an awful lot like "dear, if you really loved me, you'd buy me a Mercedes". Are you saying he's NOT a competent scientist? Do you seriously think the DOD would ALLOW Mitchell to do so?
No, it's a case of "show me the money." Otherwise, it's just more of the same, regardless of who's making the claim. Mitchell, if he were a scientist worth his salt, should understand the concept of evidence.
Challenging beliefs are fine. I do it all the time. But calling people delusion and/or cranks is NOT alright and I won't stand for being insulted and no one else here should have to stand for that either.
And I resent people who adopt attitudes of dismissiveness and intellectual superiority when people like me challenge baseless assertions with calls for something more concrete than "Well, what else could it be?"
It could be a lot of other things, not the least of which is fabrication, misinterpretation, fanciful thinking and even mental instability. And anyone with an ounce of intellectual integrity would grasp that concept and take an approach that sought to eliminate those factors. Not take someone at face value, regardless of who they are, were or say they were. | |
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| Humans created by Aliens: Plausible theory?
Posted: 4/23/2009 8:15:35 PM | Fabrication, misinterpretation, fanciful thinking, and even mental instability are the basis for my most brilliant art (Van Goth and Vincent D Hawk would proabaly agree) And I can promise I've done one thing nobody has ever done before. (I'm not about to show anyone till I copyright it and patent the idea then mass market it on t-shirts). According to Science, totally made up, yet full of ideas and concepts which may awaken and spur others to "think" about alternative ways of doing things.
Honestly if I was always scientific and rational I'd have no creativity or depth to my work. I only have to present myself that way on here because there are too many people who get glory out of bashing anything which challenges their scientific understanding.
Remember, Art was one of the original charactaristics which defined Humans from Homo Heiderbergensis and Erectus. This was the catalyst for what we have become today according to anthropologists. The art wasn't scientific and wasn't accurate. But it allowed humans to express themselves in ways which they hadn't ever done in the 200,000 years prior.
I would at least appreciate this as a historical leaping stone for our species as a POTENTIAL precursor to language and culture.
Art and culture produced the basis for early human society, not science, keep this in mind........Stargazer in particular! | |
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| Humans created by Aliens: Plausible theory?
Posted: 4/23/2009 8:37:34 PM | Seriously, dave, but what does any of that have to do with the cost of tea in china? Art is not science. Science is not art. Art is about expression and interpretation according to feeling and temperament. Science is the collection of data and interpretation of said data. So please spare me your admonitions.
Actually, if you want to talk discovery of human and cultural origins, that's done by science. Slow, careful, methodical extraction of artifacts from the ground, careful study and observations of human populations. Painting a picture, doing a sculpture or doing an interpretive dance isn't going to get one published in Nature.
That's not to say that scientists don't have an appreciation for the aesthetic or artists aren't careful and methodical. However, both have entirely different raison d'etres. | |
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| Humans created by Aliens: Plausible theory?
Posted: 4/23/2009 8:54:01 PM | Your missing the point Stargazer. All of this had to start somewhere now didn't it! And guess where it started, in a few french and spanish caves 35-40,000 years ago. No science or logic. Yet this is what ignited the curiosity of the human species to ALLOW for science and it's disiplines to exist. It seems hasty one would disregard the source material when in fact it was the precursor for the rational which science would come from.
My point being IDEAS whether scientifically rooted or not MADE you and I what we are. Science would be nothing without the creative curiousity which our ancestors raised through their questioning of the world they occupied. | |
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| Humans created by Aliens: Plausible theory?
Posted: 4/23/2009 11:59:06 PM | We're so funny...I mean that!
I agree with Dr. Michiu Kaku, that some or many of the Real UFOs are robotic craft
checking our progress, possibly for a Type 3 Civilization who are our benefactors.
If so, we are thankful to be so well loved & of interest to the evolved entities we can
become in our future. | |
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| Humans created by Aliens: Plausible theory?
Posted: 4/24/2009 12:37:13 AM |
How did they accomplish these feats? http://www.world-mysteries.com/mpl_5.htm the temple of Jupiter has 3 stones weighing 800 tons each. And I can find links of stones which were placed into alignement well over twice that weight.
How would I know ? You don't so why would you expect me to ? What I do know is that the least plausible explanation is that aliens came down from outer space and lent the little humans their big crane for a day without anybody recording the event in any way.
Like I said, there isn't a crane on the planet today capable of moving more then 400 tons. There really isn't an explanation on how this was done which satisfies me.
Well according to that kind of logic you pretty much have to ignore any explanation offered whether it be rollers made of date tree trunks or aliens from outer space. So if that's the case , why are you asking me how it was done ? Either you think people did it (which , of course , is the case) or space aliens did it but you refuse to accept either of these possibilities (that's what you just said) So maybe it was Bugs Bunny and the Tooth Fairy that did it ? | |
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| Humans created by Aliens: Plausible theory?
Posted: 4/24/2009 1:34:34 AM | Funcuz,
I love your answers, but they don't explain anything in regards to how it could have been accomplished? The whole reason I'm on this forum is for asking that question??????????????????????? It defies the capability of today's technology and any perceived technology we knew of back then.
Every Anthropological explanation I've read doesn't logically make sense based on the man power, capability, and sheer weight were dealing with.
So my main argument is that they had an ancient technology we don't understand or are unaware of today to move those incrediblly large stones, or their "Gods" from the heavens gave them the means to do so.
It is a simple and yet probable theory, far fetched, yes. But to me it's far fetched 1,000 ton stones were moved with a couple thousand men and brittle ropes. I have links to a Japanese scientific group who tried to replicate the conditions of the Pyramids which have much evidence behind how they were built. They couldn't even get the stones out of the quarry without a helicopter. In fact they had to use jackhammers to carve out the 1 ton blocks they were working with. A far cry from the 5-80 ton blocks the Egyptians were chiseling. This leads me to believe there is some form of technology we have overlooked. Does this regard aliens? They had Gods like many other cultures which they believed endowed them with much of their wisdom. Myth or reality. It comes back full circule.
80 tons chump change, when were dealing with 800-1,500 tons, thats a whole different ballgame! | |
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| Humans created by Aliens: Plausible theory?
Posted: 4/24/2009 4:11:39 AM | Davidartist,
So be it but you could just as easily give the credit for construction of these things on unicorns or Bigfoot. It's ridiculous to say "Well we don't know how it was done so we might as well reach for the most ludicrous possibility." It's not ridiculous because it might be wrong , it's ridiculous because if you applied this method of problem solving to daily life , you'd still be trying to figure out how to tie your shoes for the first time. You start with the most likely solutions to problems and then work through them in order of plausibility.
Most people today are completely ignorant of basic engineering principles and the evidence for this can be found in any "9/11 Truth" thread for starters. To some people , excessive heat acting on a damaged structure and weakening the steel holding it up just isn't comprehensible. To them , gravity just isn't enough to explain why a tower would collapse. These SAME people then come to threads like this , admit they know nothing about engineering , and go on to posit that since they don't know how somebody moved a big rock a few hundred years ago then it could only have been ETs that moved it. This kind of fuzzy , bong-induced logic is consistent in its inconsitency.
When we've exhausted the plausible possibilities then we'll start with the aliens and their cosmic cranes. Sure...maybe it actually was aliens but if that turned out to be the case , people making the claim today couldn't take any credit for knowing it. They knew nothing , they just liked the idea and found it neat-o-keen. | |
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| Humans created by Aliens: Plausible theory?
Posted: 4/24/2009 6:30:36 AM | .... david .... stop this bickering about giant ancient construction and go to the link I posted ....
here it is again ... since you seem to be unable to find it from 2 pages ago.
http://www.geopolymer.org/category/archaeology/pyramids ...
it was originally posted by someone else ... I read it and remembered reading about that idea in the 70's and voila ... they have pretty much proved it. Except for the Egyptians not allowing them to use limestone from the exact quarry the pyramids came from.
This answer at this time ... makes the most sense ....
much more sense than ... E.T. or telekenesis.
We [this modern society] seem to be very egotistic and fail to give intellectual and creative credit to our brethren in the ancient past.
They were easily as smart ... if not smarter than us.
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| Humans created by Aliens: Plausible theory?
Posted: 4/24/2009 10:16:25 AM | >>>And guess where it started, in a few french and spanish caves 35-40,000 years ago.
It started long before that- but I suppose that really depends on what "it" is- where what started? Art? Science? Intelligence? Civilization?
It seems to be your trademark to be as vague as possible.
>>>No science or logic.
And it wasn't until science and logic appeared on the scene that we started to understand basic truths- like how spitting on wounds doesn't cure them.
>>>Yet this is what ignited the curiosity of the human species to ALLOW for science and it's disiplines to exist.
Some finger paintings on a wall caused science to appear 39,000 years later? How does that make sense?
>>>Science would be nothing without the creative curiousity which our ancestors raised through their questioning of the world they occupied.
And this curiousity was fed for thousands of years, on the backs of slaves and dying children, by people claiming they know something with no real reason or purpose behind them knowing- people didn't understand lightning, so they concluded that Zeus did it. They didn't understand the seasons, so they claimed it was the actions of Odin. And people don't understand what every light in the sky is- so they concluded that they witnessed aliens.
The mind can be a powerful thing, and can certainly delude people. People can be lonely, desparate, and can feel insignificant. Some people, just like thousands of years ago, make up stories to explain things and situations they cannot explain, often as a way to feel important, significant, and unique.
The only difference is we know better now- we've developed a method of confirming peoples claims and realities- because of this, we have lightbulbs, cars, power, the internet, drywall, and millions of other modern conveniences that, had we of followed the creed you are promoting, we would not ever have, instead spending our days in small huts, trying to sustain off what meagre standard they can get, being completely and utterly bonded and enslaved to the beings who defy all logic. | |
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| Humans created by Aliens: Plausible theory?
Posted: 4/24/2009 11:11:07 AM | This is one thought ive had before... I think humans are being used in an experiment by aliens. They had interest in what we were doing so they sort of bumped our technology evolution along to see what we'd do with it, all the most significant advances in technology came about in and around the Roswell times and after. Superchargers, turbo chargers, first ideas of the computer, microwaves, satelites, nuclear fission, major advances in chemical technology, TVs, lasers, fuel injection.
We've got this stuff pretty refined and found alot more uses for it in the last 60-70 years but it's still pretty much the same technology. Humans aren't exactly smart but we are curious and given a starting point we will figure out some sort of new use or application of that idea or object. Look at the GUSTAV railway gun... would it not be amusing to study a race that goes from building a rifle that takes 2 minutes to reload to a gun that could probably blow a hole through 20 feet of cement? or going from a fire cracker to a bomb that will burn your shadow into the sidewalk? | |
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| Humans created by Aliens: Plausible theory?
Posted: 4/24/2009 11:13:56 AM | I'm quite literally apathetic with incredulity that this thread has made it to nearly 40 pages.
This is one thought ive had before... I think humans are being used in an experiment by aliens. They had interest in what we were doing so they sort of bumped our technology evolution along to see what we'd do with it, all the most significant advances in technology came about in and around the Roswell times and after. Superchargers, turbo chargers, first ideas of the computer, microwaves, satelites, nuclear fission, major advances in chemical technology, TVs, lasers, fuel injection.
Are you really sure you wanted to admit that? In public I mean?
Really, apply Occam's Razor to this whole thread and about 4 posts would be left  . | |
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| Humans created by Aliens: Plausible theory?
Posted: 4/24/2009 11:46:50 AM | >>>all the most significant advances in technology came about in and around the Roswell times and after. Superchargers, turbo chargers, first ideas of the computer, microwaves, satelites, nuclear fission, major advances in chemical technology, TVs, lasers, fuel injection.
Uh.....no.
Microwaves were invented before Roswell. So were Televisions.
Personally, I find your conclusion to be rather insulting- you are literally saying we could invent the car, electricity, trains, TV's and a handful of other objects- but we need aliens to build our satalites and fuel injectors. Why? | |
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| Humans created by Aliens: Plausible theory?
Posted: 4/24/2009 1:37:31 PM | "For millennia, man lived just like the animals.
And then, one day, something happened to spark the power of his imagination.
He learned to talk."
---Stephen Hawking, intro to Pink Floyd's Keep Talking, album: The Division Bell
Sounds as reasonable an explanation as anything. No aliens needed. | |
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| Humans created by Aliens: Plausible theory?
Posted: 4/24/2009 2:03:59 PM | For starters it's just a thought to ponder, its not necessarily a statement of fact or firm belief.
Second it's the 5-10 years before and after roswell that I refer to.
Do you never find it odd that the most new concepts dreamed up, rapid advances and creation of new technology was achieved in a 20 year period between the mid thirtys and fiftys?
It's either that or WWII and the start of the cold war that triggered this explosion of technology. I'd put my money on war but you got to wonder.
NASA is actually working on a saucer like craft, take a wild shot in the dark where that idea may have come from??? I highly doubt they'd opt to spend money on a flying disk while they allready have a highly successfull shuttle program that they've poured billions into unless they seen some potential or are trying to replicate something they have discovered or witnessed. | |
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| Humans created by Aliens: Plausible theory?
Posted: 4/24/2009 2:10:23 PM |
Do you never find it odd that the most new concepts dreamed up, rapid advances and creation of new technology was achieved in a 20 year period between the mid thirtys and fiftys?
There were lots of advances around WW I and II. Nothing brings out mankind's ingenuity like the desire to kill one another in the most efficient means possible.
NASA is actually working on a saucer like craft, take a wild shot in the dark where that idea may have come from??? I highly doubt they'd opt to spend money on a flying disk while they allready have a highly successfull shuttle program that they've poured billions into
Well, the "success" of the shuttle program is certainly debatable. However, the U.S. airforce also experimented with a disk-shaped hovercraft years ago. In fact, it was tested up here in Ontario. It didn't go very far, then, either.
Actually, they really seem to have put the pedal to the metal on the Ares program. I wonder if they're planning on stepping up plans to get humans to the moon. Frankly, I hope they make it an international crew, next time. | |
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| Humans created by Aliens: Plausible theory?
Posted: 4/24/2009 2:19:39 PM | I have to say the "disk" shaped "alien" craft idea seems a lot weird to me... Really it doesn't seem all that efficient in stability and or travel, tip the thing up just a little, and it has major drag on the design...
Really thinking about it, any design has its flaws, the space shuttle wouldn't be to bad, if it weren't for o rings, and tiles that come off... that has been a real bummer for a couple of shuttles, and I say this with the UT MOST RESPECT...
There are a lot of theories and ideals that fly in the face of logic... Bumble bees are a perfect example of defying aerodynamics... So it is hard to say what shape would be logical and what wouldn't...
We have a LOT of science, and then there is nature that can defy the logic of nature... | |
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| Humans created by Aliens: Plausible theory?
Posted: 4/24/2009 4:27:24 PM | >>>For starters it's just a thought to ponder, its not necessarily a statement of fact or firm belief.
Granted, but you are casting aside the hardwork and ingenuity of tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of people, all of whom worked hard to improve the lives of their fellowman, all because you don't think we could possibly be smart enough to come up with it ourselves.
And you're wondering why I find such a claim insulting?
>>>Second it's the 5-10 years before and after roswell that I refer to.
Why before? If Roswell was "the incident" that caused us to develop advanced tech cause of aliens, how did we get the tech before they sent it? Isn't that a contradiction?
>>>Do you never find it odd that the most new concepts dreamed up, rapid advances and creation of new technology was achieved in a 20 year period between the mid thirtys and fiftys?
Do you ever find it odd that tech like Electricity, Discovery of Evolution, Trains, Lightbulbs, Steel, Discovery of Radition, Telephones and Telegraphs- all of these monumental achievements were invented in the 19th Century?
Did aliens invent trains?
>>>NASA is actually working on a saucer like craft, take a wild shot in the dark where that idea may have come from???
Pop Culture? | |
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| Humans created by Aliens: Plausible theory?
Posted: 4/24/2009 5:16:24 PM | | Silly Jiperly... Once you've discarded all scientific principles in favor of alien-ism, tossing causal relationships into the dustbin is trivial. Effects can CLEARLY precede cause. | |
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