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| Humans created by Aliens: Plausible theory?
Posted: 4/24/2009 5:36:25 PM | And on a lighter note... I suggested to my nephew to call his new band 'Nefilim' or Nefilim City/Planet etc. etc. etc....
By the way, great forum SA . I was introduced to Sitchin in the mid/late 80's by this cute hippy chick from northern New South Wales, ...and yes she was living in a commune...but alas, ...lost touch when I was sent to Coventry...escaped to Leicester though...but yes very interesting.
Best I revisit my copy of Genesis Revisited, before I say any more apart from 'The origins of Pagan and Christian Beliefs' (Carpenter, E., 1990) aint a bad read either. | |
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| Humans created by Aliens: Plausible theory?
Posted: 4/25/2009 2:48:31 AM | if you applied this method of problem solving to daily life
You're right. But the very last thing in the world we're talking about is "daily life". Those rules, those concepts just don't apply here.
Most people today are completely ignorant of basic engineering principles
And most basic engineers are completely ignorant of basic string theory.
So what? That only proves that people (as the man said) only "rise to the level of their own competence". That's not necessarily a bad thing. But simply because a person has a title and/or a degree doesn't mean that there is no further truth beyond that which only HE can explain.
Here's something I find really odd and I'd love to hear some speculation from the scientifically inclined.
Here's the scenario (based of course on fact): sometime in the late 40's, "something" crash landed on a ranch owned by Max Brazle (sp??). The nearby military installation, having found out about it, obviously went to the crash site (the first of two) and scooped everything up that they found there and took it back to the base where the commanding general is briefed on their "find". We all agree so far?
NO ONE IN THIS FORUM CAN DISAGREE WITH ANYTHING ABOVE...so far, right? These facts are indisputable. (Remember I hypothesized "something" was found. I never suggested "what"...(yet).
Now, keep in mind this is not just any commanding general. He is the commanding general of what was then one of the most top secret army air bases capable of and training to deliver "the" bomb over Japan.
THIS general was briefed by his top security officer (obviously no dummy) and after this, quicky issues a press release stating categorically that an alien craft had landed and the military has possession of the debris.
That's pretty much what there is of Roswell (until of course the subsequent press release with the balloon bullshit story).
Now. You tell me. Where is the plausibility in the notion that THIS general, briefed by this security chief both MISTOOK a balloon for a UFO when he's got his hands on it? Do you seriously believe that a general, or a top security officer or any damned fool on the street couldn't tell the difference between UFO debris and a spy balloon?
So why the instant retraction? The ONLY answer, the obvious answer is the most plausible and if you don't think so, with what all the people FROM Roswell have said in interviews over the years, well, it's patently obvious you really have no desire to know. To question. To find out. Fortunately for the rest of us who still have questions, there is more to know. Can you imagine the conversation that took place when that general picked up the red phone and was told by his superior (in military terms, of course) that that press release was a tad premature. You get my drift.
Nothing brings out mankind's ingenuity like the desire to kill one another in the most efficient means possible.
Although I can't say that "I know", I'm betting alien sentient beings now realize that we've gotten that concept down to an art form. But the problem now is that we're bringing that mentality into THEIR turf whereas before, it's only been in and on our own little playground. Now we're going to want to pollute outer space the same way we've polluted and raped this planet. I doubt they want emply pepsi bottles littering their streets just yet. I think that's one of many reasons they're here as they have been for some time. | |
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| Humans created by Aliens: Plausible theory?
Posted: 4/25/2009 5:58:08 AM |
Yes, but the most extreme and mind blowing ones are the ones kept secret? After all the people who were supposively "in on it"?
The conspiracies have already been blown... whistle blowers have come out, videos have come out...
two words...
Plausible deny-ability
Mix that with the fact that even if solid tangible proof appeared on the mainstream media it would be hard to believe and you get a lot of resistance. | |
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| Humans created by Aliens: Plausible theory?
Posted: 4/25/2009 7:24:54 AM | to the ... disc shaped object idea ... I have to think of the Frisbee principle of flight.
or the football principle ... or discus [since it was probably first]
it is actually very stable with a fast spin .... just like a gyrascope for stability. Just organic creatures inside becomes a problem but I guess with some kind of seperation between interior and skin, that could be fixed. Possibly a vaccuum layer.
We still don't really have a propulsion method but the aspect of dark matter being the most common matter in the universe ... I would speculate on that as being a source of energy in some way.
[ sci-fi thoughts ] | |
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| Humans created by Aliens: Plausible theory?
Posted: 4/25/2009 10:15:49 AM | Thanks Thorb, well now that is interesting...
Of course of of the shapes I have seen drawn make perfect sense , however some of the other, not so much...
Yes, dark matter, that has been an odd yet new discovery...
Anyone want to speculate on the NEW Mexican swine virus???
A mixture of swine, for pigs only, bird, for bird only and human flu virus combined into one...
Sounds like a really great hybrid mix for killing a heck of a lot of people, and only those getting the needed vaccine... Hmmmm, what is this planet coming too... | |
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| Humans created by Aliens: Plausible theory?
Posted: 4/25/2009 12:48:20 PM | "Nothing brings out mankind's ingenuity like the desire to kill one another in the most efficient means possible."
This would appear to be an accurate assessment of most of the leadership of humankind throughout history, regardless of nation. We seem unaware of the real reason we are on earth, which is, believe it or not, spiritual (not religious).
Now that so many countries have nuclear capability, an all out war would change earth as we know it to an environment incapable of sustaining more than microbial forms of life for centuries. Although we have free will on earth, I've always doubted The Overlords would permit such a thing. Here is an article which seems to back up this notion:
http://www.indiadaily.com/editorial/12-26-04.asp | |
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| Humans created by Aliens: Plausible theory?
Posted: 4/25/2009 2:53:31 PM |
You're right. But the very last thing in the world we're talking about is "daily life". Those rules, those concepts just don't apply here.
Yes they do. Why wouldn't they ?
Now. You tell me. Where is the plausibility in the notion that THIS general, briefed by this security chief both MISTOOK a balloon for a UFO when he's got his hands on it? Do you seriously believe that a general, or a top security officer or any damned fool on the street couldn't tell the difference between UFO debris and a spy balloon?
And who says he mistook anything ? That general never retracted the statement about having seen a recovered ET alien spaceship because he never made it.
If you really want to know where the evidence and testimony stand , try this site -
http://www.csicop.org/si/9707/roswell.html
If we're just making up evidence then sure, I guess it's all plausible. | |
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| Humans created by Aliens: Plausible theory?
Posted: 4/25/2009 9:10:48 PM |
A mixture of swine, for pigs only, bird, for bird only and human flu virus combined into one...
They're all the same, more or less. That's why flu pandemics tend to originate in places like Asia - billions of chickens, billions of pigs, billions of humans. Influenza has no shortage of hosts to infect and evolve in and when a nasty new strain develops, it freely jumps between species. This happens mainly where there is a large, crowded population to infect. It's called swine flu or bird flu because that's where it originates, but influenza is NOT restricted to one or another. Part of the evolutionary process for viruses is the copying errors in which the virus accidentally gains a piece of host DNA or loses a piece of its own. This speeds things up, and also allows species to gain interesting new traits from unrelated organisms.
That's become a method of genetic engineering, as viruses can be used to pick up a trait and move it elsewhere. Infect the source organism with a fairly innocuous virus which is prone to copying errors. Collect infected fluids and test for presence of virii with desired genes. Purify the virus as much as possible, then re-infect the target species and test for prescence of desired genes and absence of undesired ones. Works great for plants and bacteria, where you can produce vast numbers of test specimens, and destroy everything that doesn't work out.
More on the abundance of logical fallacies in this thread, and WHY they are not valid arguments, later. | |
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| Humans created by Aliens: Plausible theory?
Posted: 4/25/2009 11:18:53 PM | Ok Frog eyes, I am a little confused about the 2nd part of your thread, because you are talking about genetic engineering... Which is my "concern", this mix seems rather high bred of a mix, that is originating from Mexico...
There is no ALIEN suggestion here... However it seems like an extremely ODD mix, especially one that jumps species, between bird and swine are a lot different species... Pigs and people, not so much, and THAT isn't intended as insulting...
Perhaps this is earths way of balancing over population out, or some science lab accident, or on purpose...
I don't think it is ignorant to question something that I don't understand, and or have a means to research properly... Someone as yourself are closer to research sources, so I can only ask the question...
Media hype is too convoluted to believe what is true and what is bs...
I am sure people want to think all of this stuff is natural, and nobody in a lab would create such a nitemare, however biological warfare is not anything new, and has been used against populations since ancient times... | |
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| Humans created by Aliens: Plausible theory?
Posted: 4/25/2009 11:52:38 PM | Virii don't work quite the way life works. They attach to cells with the aid of chemical markers, inject their genetic material, and the host cell replicates it with the rest of the DNA. A great many species can share markers which are similar enough for the same virus to attach.
It's NORMAL for influenza to hop between birds, pigs and humans. I suspect it hops between pretty much ANY warm-blooded creature. Why these three? Because we have some 7 billion humans on Earth, often in dense populations which are marvelous for infectious diseases to spread and evolve. Because pigs and chickens in particular are ALSO kept in vast, dense populations, AND usually near large numbers of humans. I *think* flu typically incubates and evolves in non-human [mainly chicken and pig] hosts, probably migrating back and forth until suddenly a new variant appears which is nasty enough to be noticed when it reaches humans. It quite likely has infected humans over and over before this, but has been ignored because it's mild or too similar to previous strains to get past the immune system. Odds are, pretty much every strain of flu has incubated for some period of time in non-humans. It's a question of which other species are densely populated and in close contact with us. | |
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| Humans created by Aliens: Plausible theory?
Posted: 4/26/2009 6:36:42 AM | Frog, there are a few errors in your premises, but they're not really critical. I'll just elaborate a bit, and see if we can't clear this up. (we can't but we can at least try)
Influenza is (are, since there are many, many types and strains within those types) fairly species-specific, due to the specificity of the nucleoproteins the virus uses to enter the cell. The "big 3" that are involved in human pandemics are humans, pigs, and ducks.
Human-specific influenza A infects humans, and is easily passed between humans. It also infects pigs. Now, there are Influenza A strains that generally stay in the pig populations, and although they are technically human-specific influenza, they generally do not infect humans. We'll get back to that in a moment.
Avian-specific influenza A infects various bird species, but particularly it infects ducks. It also infects pigs. Weird, huh? This is important. Pigs are able to be infected by both human- and duck-specific influenza.
When you talk about human influenza, what you are generally talking about is a strain of influenza virus that is passed around between humans. It is closely related to the influenza you got last year, or the year before. You have antibodies that are somewhat effective at fighting it off, once your immune system reacts and fires up production. You also generate new, VERY effective and specific antibodies to the exact strain with which you are now infected. This can become the "somewhat effective" antibodies for the next strain that is closely related to all the other "flus" you have had. Some people, however, through luck/chance, age, or compromised immune systems, cannot mount this normal immune response to you average everyday influenza. They get very, very sick, and some of them die. This is why children, the elderly, and those with compromised immune systems are advised to get the flu shot every year, to give them a better chance of surviving, should they be exposed to the 2 or 3 strains represented in the vaccine.
Sometimes, however, you get a strain that is so new and so unrelated to other influenza that most people have essentially NO antibodies that are even close. A massive infection ensues and the infected persons die in huge numbers, like the pandemics of the early 20th century. Those who survive develop antibodies to that strain, and then it and its new mutations are not nearly so dangerous to us.
How does this happen? Well, you can be infected with more than one strain of flu at a time. In fact, the same CELL can be infected with the multiple strains of flu. The machinery of the cell then chugs away, making more of both types of flu virus. In rare cases, the manufacturing process screws up, and you end up with some viruses that are partly made from one strain and partly from another. These new influenza viruses look different from both parent strains to your immune system. For a while, this new influenza can rip through the population, infecting a lot of people, because few have immunity to the whole virus. But, it usually doesn't kill too many people, because it's basically the same flu you got last year.
That didn't tell you how terrible pandemics happen, did it? :) The part that was left out is that pigs can also be infected with more than one flu strain at a time. Every so often one of the strains that generally infects only pigs (and has accumulated a lot of minor mutations to make it look weird to your immune system) gets crossed with one that easily infects humans. You end up with a part-pig-flu, part-human-flu virus. It easily infects humans, but it has features that your immune system has not seen before, and it takes a long time to mount even a partially-effective antibody response to this new virus. Lots of people die before their immune systems get up to speed. This is a "swine flu."
Great, now what is "bird flu?" Bird flu is created via the same process. Pigs are infected with both human and avian flu, and a new virus that contains some human-specific-influenza features and some bird-specific-influenza features. Depending upon the details, this new flu can either rip through human populations as a "bird flu," or it can decimate bird populations because THEY don't have effective antibodies. Or BOTH populations can be affected. This kind of thing happens a lot more often when pigs, ducks, and humans all live in close proximity, and it conditions where viruses can be passed between them. Like in poor, rural Asian communities. That's why "bird flu" started in China. Pigs, ducks, and humans all live in the same building, sharing the same water, air, and food. Humans can wash their hands and try to avoid breathing sneezed particles, but have you ever tried to get a pig to wash its hands?
It's not evil, it's not aliens, and it's not intentional. It's just a feature of influenza. It's influenza evolution in action, but since evolution is really about systems rather than species, is also human, bird, and pig evolution in action, all at the same time.
<div class='quote'>I am sure people want to think all of this stuff is natural, and nobody in a lab would create such a nitemare, however biological warfare is not anything new, and has been used against populations since ancient times...
Thyme, I think you've got that completely backwards, at least in the current community: Lots of people want to think this is a biological warfare agent, because it vindicates their conspiracy theories. Sad, and false, but you can't talk them out of it with simple facts and science. Sigh. | |
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| Humans created by Aliens: Plausible theory?
Posted: 4/26/2009 11:14:05 AM | Thanks for the explanation Rhino... I know since we don't see eye to eye on some things, I seem impossible... I did know a bit of what you were talking about... basic cell biology, part of schooling many eons ago...
OK, so here is what you are saying...Example, my son last summer had a probable light case of bird flu, AT LEAST that is the speculation of the specialist for the game dept ... It is has been up in this valley due to mosquitoes (several prize roosters died from it up the road), and I had to take him to the hospital because he was so sick.
Thus that would make him slightly immune to the "bird and human flu part" IF IN FACT his illness was caused by avian flu?
I know this kind of stuff is also created in the lab, and there is a university that has the most deadly of deadly viruses in there vaults...
HOWEVER, as I said this is not ALIEN (well viruses look pretty alien in nature, and respond in an alien manor to certain degree) and took the time to ask, because there are questions and screamers of conspiracy...
I feel I asked in a logical manor, as to how the combination occurred. After all seems better to ask people with scientific knowledge then to consult unknown sources of pure male bovine excrement...
So thanks.... | |
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| Humans created by Aliens: Plausible theory?
Posted: 7/14/2009 8:04:33 PM | well I cant believe this post finally died
it was actually kinda fun to hear all of the banter and exchange of ideas.
now as I look back it reminds me of one of those "confidential " reports
huge chunks missing and edited so much ...shame
No mention anymore of :
the underground base of Dulce NM
Leading edge international research group
how aliens ' talk ' to humans via the Pineal gland
etc...etc...etc.
Anyways it was all fun and I just wanted to drop in and say hello
to those that particapated in the fourm
I had my tinfoil hat on one night shooting lazers into the stars
when a being appeared and asked me what I wanted to know.
I asked why they never land in public and display themselfs and
told them they were causing all kinds of debate down here .
many believed and many were skeptic...
he spoke but not in words..
instead his thoughts were inserted into my mind
and a vision appeared before my eyes.
He was showing me a time when then sent a peacemaker
showing the world his mystical ways
healing the sick , vision for the blind
but instead of being friendly the humans chased him down
beat him ,stabbed him and hung him on a cross
warning his 'kind' to never return...so they didnt.
over the years the story got changed as it got passed along
the being was heard as saying
"the earth will return to the sun"
and it got changed to
"the son shall return to earth"
Old beliefs are just that...old beliefs
its fourms like this that expand peoples thinking
allows them for even a moment.. to think outside the box
thanks to those that allowed me those moments
Twister | |
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| Humans created by Aliens: Plausible theory?
Posted: 7/14/2009 9:15:49 PM | | Consider how humans were able to construct monumental structures such as pyramids thousands of years ago. Building those same pyramids would be a pheonomenal task; even today. Were they able to do that entirely by themselves? There are records throughout history of human interaction with something that's not from here. Whether or not they created us is hard to prove but it's possible they may have been here for awhile. http://www.thelivingmoon.com/45jack_files/03files/Project_Gleem_001.html | |
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| Humans created by Aliens: Plausible theory?
Posted: 9/5/2009 7:43:29 PM | These same Beings that William Cooper describes?
Greada Treaty signed by eisenhower?
Connect the dots
And when people respond with negatives,they make the organic portal/robotic agent theory seem legit also. | |
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| Humans created by Aliens: Plausible theory?
Posted: 9/5/2009 7:47:37 PM | www.truthism.com
Put together very well..explains alot and also explains why people react the way they do when introduced to information that they have not been programmed to believe. | |
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| Humans created by Aliens: Plausible theory?
Posted: 9/5/2009 10:39:32 PM | | I always wondered why my ex wouldn't let me meet her parents! She sure liked gold -And I thought the raw liver was just a pregnancy fad she never recovered from. | |
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| Humans created by Aliens: Plausible theory?
Posted: 9/5/2009 11:05:38 PM | explains alot and also explains why people react the way they do when introduced to information that they have not been programmed to believe.
The same reason that explains why people don't accept the astonishing properties of my priceless cache of leprechaun boot buckle dust! | |
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| Humans created by Aliens: Plausible theory?
Posted: 9/8/2009 6:32:17 AM | Anything that can be imagined has a probability. But what good would it do you if a species with superior intellect were to visit? It would just make human's collective inferiority complex even worse, which almost always results in bloodshed. To be honest, I doubt there are are Earth brochures at the Universal Travel Agency. No one wants to come here. We made it a shitty place to visit.
Last I checked we were in the backwoods of the galaxy and if aliens do exist, I've no doubt that the whole plan for globalization, is to prepare us for that. As in if I were an active member of a sensible hyper-intelligent species, I would in no way arm the people of earth with super advanced ways to blow up the universe, if one considers the egos displayed here are viewed as evidence, then we don't deserve such knowledge.
I've noticed that a person can not even correct an individuals mistakes in this forum with out wiping their nose through it in an arrogant manner. At some point we will open our minds and work together and collaborate our ideas, our opinions, and our perspective in order to figure out why we are here.
The man for earth, the man for society, the man for humanity says 'we' have made this discover into the makeup of our existence! The pronoun utilized referring to "humanity".
The man for himself, the ego, the insecure one says, "I". And it is usually followed with requests for debauchery. As it appears that most accomplishments on this little stone in the galactic pond are sought out for debaucherous things, be it women, sex, attention from one's colleagues, etc. I hope to evolve someday. | |
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| Humans created by Aliens: Plausible theory?
Posted: 9/8/2009 8:30:05 AM | Ah, the self-hatred evident in the "aliens don't want anything to do with us because we're evil" idea. Sad, really. And you want to talk about ego? How about speaking for an entire proposed galactic society?
Clearly, people have watched too many movies. We cannot know if there are other species nearby and, if there were, what they would think of us as a species.
Last I checked we were in the backwoods of the galaxy
And really, what does that mean? How do you define "backwoods?" What makes our section of the galaxy less desirable, evolved or chichi than some other part of the Milky Way? Do we not have the right inter-stellar restaurants? What is our galaxy's Manhattan?
At some point we will open our minds and work together and collaborate our ideas, our opinions, and our perspective in order to figure out why we are here.
You assume there has to be a why. Isn't it enough that we are here - tiny, frail, insignificant, rare, unique, reasonably-self-aware us the current stage of development of our little blue marble in the middle of galactic nowhere? It seems to me the truly "open" mind must be willing and able to take in that possibility. To assume we have to be here for a reason, or that we were "made" by someone or something, truly is ego gone mad, don't you think? | |
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| Humans created by Aliens: Plausible theory?
Posted: 9/8/2009 8:39:24 AM |
Maybe this has been covered already in another thread, but putting aside all shape shifting lizards for a second, is it plausible to suggest that humans are part of an extra-terrestrial hybrid blood line? According to Zecharia Sitchin, the Sumerians speak about how a group of extra-terrestrials known as the Annunaki created man in their image. They did so to create a slave race of humans that would mind gold in what is now called Africa. Studies by the Anglo-American Corporation have found extensive evidence of gold mining in Africa at least 60,000 years ago. Other scholars argue that the Annunanki didn't come here for that reason, but that's irrelevant. The Sumerian tablets describe how the genes of the Annunaki and those of the native humans were combined in a test tube to create the ‘updated’ human capable of doing the tasks the Anunnaki required. The idea of test tube babies would have sounded ridiculous when the tablets were found in 1850, but that is precisely what scientists are now able to do....
Humans created by Aliens: Plausible theory?
Not a plausible as Humans creating the idea of Aliens. | |
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| Humans created by Aliens: Plausible theory?
Posted: 9/9/2009 8:36:18 AM | To assume we have to be here for a reason, or that we were "made" by someone or something, truly is ego gone mad, don't you think?
Your post is a prime example of the ego I was referencing. Ahhhh and with the bonus of an anti-religous agenda as well. | |
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| Humans created by Aliens: Plausible theory?
Posted: 9/9/2009 10:36:15 AM |
I'm suggesting that the homo erectus (which I believe came about through evolution), was updated to the homo-sapien (homo sapiens sapien infact) thorugh extra-terrestrial intervention. I can't conclusively tell you the origins of these extra-terrestrials, or our own origins for that matter, but I'm willing to put my money on evolution.
have you explored the notion that the extra-terrestrials might of used plants and fungi found in nature to downoad communication beakons if you will in the dna of the material of the plant/fungi .
Therefore when our ancestors ingested the plant, communication was established , look at the family of hallucinogenic fungi of the variety Stropharia Cubensis which grows pandemically , well its prefered natural growing medium is cow dung , so i can see easily that our ancestors by following migrational herds of ungulates would nessecarily have come into contact with these types of fungi !!! and anyone will tell you that at high doses it feels like some sort of alien communication is somehow occuring ? | |
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