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| Humans created by Aliens: Plausible theory?
Posted: 9/9/2009 10:46:44 AM | I'm suggesting that the homo erectus (which I believe came about through evolution), was updated to the homo-sapien (homo sapiens sapien infact) thorugh extra-terrestrial intervention.
As this violates the law of parsimony (literally) as thoroughly as the C/ID position (I don't use the word "theory" as the definition of the word in the context of this forum is pretty specific), I put it in the same junk pile of "whacky" ideas.
have you explored the notion that the extra-terrestrials might of used plants and fungi found in nature to downoad communication beakons if you will in the dna of the material of the plant/fungi .
Considering that there's no credible evidence of extra-terrestrials having visited, no.
it feels like some sort of alien communication is somehow occuring ?
What are the criteria for "Alien Communication", so as to compare? | |
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| Humans created by Aliens: Plausible theory?
Posted: 9/9/2009 11:52:20 AM | >>>Anything that can be imagined has a probability.
That isn't how the universe works, and claiming as such shows either an extreme naivety, or a refusal to acknowledge what we see, rather wishing to acknowledge what you wish was there . For instance, as much as I wish it were true, there is absolutely no probability that the lost city of Atlantis is located 1cm inside my anus. Its time to grow up and accept it- some things are simply impossible and improbable, regardless of the comforts you would gain if it were true.
>>> It would just make human's collective inferiority complex even worse, which almost always results in bloodshed.
We're a product of nature, and life in nature fights and competes for resources. It has nothing to do with a "collective inferiority complex", and everything to do with the nature of life itself.
>>>Last I checked we were in the backwoods of the galaxy
As stargazer pointed out, and I feel is worthy of addressing by you- by what standard do you make such a claim? Who are you to make such a judgment? And should we consider it a coincidence that your assumptions re-affirm your beliefs?
>>>if one considers the egos displayed here are viewed as evidence, then we don't deserve such knowledge.
Again, by what standard do you make such a claim? Who are you to judge who does and doesn't deserve knowledge? Who are you to judge whether or not someones worthy of it? Why do you believe you hold all the keys to the knowledge of the universe- and isn't that a distinct sign that you have what you condemn- an ego?
>>>I've noticed that a person can not even correct an individuals mistakes in this forum with out wiping their nose through it in an arrogant manner. At some point we will open our minds and work together and collaborate our ideas, our opinions, and our perspective in order to figure out why we are here.
But allowing people to make the same mistakes over and over again, never correcting them in fear of offending them- that'll help us understand things better | |
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| Humans created by Aliens: Plausible theory?
Posted: 9/9/2009 12:31:39 PM |
For instance, as much as I wish it were true, there is absolutely no probability that the lost city of Atlantis is located 1cm inside my anus.
So, Jiperly...when was the last time you checked? 
On another note...I have a confession to make.
Humans created by Aliens: Plausible theory?
My parents, who were non-religious existential transcendentalists, actually taught me this belief, while growing up. I believed it until I was thirteen, and then I took biology.
I am not making this up...  <------ @ myself. | |
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| Humans created by Aliens: Plausible theory?
Posted: 9/9/2009 12:43:27 PM | wow wehat a good viewpoint,now listen to this.....what if humans were actually aliens in the sense that we had travelled here from another planet? R thinking capabilities r unmathed by any other lifeform on this planet.Juss a thought | |
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| Humans created by Aliens: Plausible theory?
Posted: 9/9/2009 12:59:04 PM | | Oh how I wish humans were a result of extra terestrials. Because then the ID theorists would be proved correct, however, not at all on the terms they would like. | |
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| Humans created by Aliens: Plausible theory?
Posted: 9/9/2009 2:28:06 PM | SO then what happens when the proof emerges?
Does society crumble?
What will become of the entire religious sector that refuses to accept other intelligent life forms!
Very likely this will become the line of which once drawn in the sand will further divide human realities.
Gad zooks sounds like the snow ball does growith at an alarming rate.
Enjoy the ride down the hill.
Biker | |
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| Humans created by Aliens: Plausible theory?
Posted: 9/9/2009 2:38:24 PM | Well just play nice with each other in the meen time and injoy the wonderfully large sandbox we alll must learn to share. It's called EARTH. Full of resources and full to the brim with intelligent life.
If they (the Aliens) did not in fact create us then we are poised to meet the new kids down the block (intergallecticly speaking)
There is no way possible for our present level of intellectual growth and curiousity going to keep us from bumping into something else out there that is doing the same thing. Exploring first our on little biosphere and then local solar system. Bound to attract attienion kinda like a parent whom watches over a 2 year old. Ya gotta let them learn but protect them just the same.
What a trip huh.
Someday humanity will look back on itself and laugh the answer was there all along.
Read some more books studf the wonders of your own mind and then boldly wander out into the inner universe of you own mind.
KOOL
Biker bids you smooth sailing | |
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| Humans created by Aliens: Plausible theory?
Posted: 9/9/2009 2:51:47 PM | I don't think you can claim humans are part extra-terrestrial unless you also claim ALL life is part extra terrestrial. To be true, I think this is just as likely as DNA emerging from a methane bubble as it is that it came here via a meteor or some other method from elsewhere. Or as some people notice when under a number of influences (which our culture calls mentally ill, or on certain drugs), we are constantly in communication with other life forms who are more advanced than us, sending and receiving information via a means we haven't discovered yet - for the simple reason they were there all along and will probably always know more than us. Sort of like how we manipulate a lot of other species, probably without them being aware of why and what we are doing.
That isn't how the universe works, and claiming as such shows either an extreme naivety, or a refusal to acknowledge what we see, rather wishing to acknowledge what you wish was there .
I have no idea which is true, but claiming "You don't know the Universe works" implies that you DO, when you DON'T. Nobody knows for sure, as there is still so much more to be discovered, what we know now is only a speck. By the way, last I checked the most amazing thing about technology is that it shows so much of what we CAN'T normally see - to assume all there is is what you can see ignores the very extreme limitations of the human eye. | |
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| Humans created by Aliens: Plausible theory?
Posted: 9/9/2009 3:26:37 PM | Loren Eiseley posited not that long ago, that the only feasible way to economically spread life across the universe was via comets and meteors, a low-tech cryogenic sort of technology. It is quite possible, if not probable that much of the Earth's life was seeded from the far reaches, perhaps intelligently or just a matter of the chaos of life in the cold expanding universe. The latest Hubble pics continue to astound us. The universe is far bigger and more complicated than we can hope to comprehend if we keep our minds closed to possibilities.
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/090909-new-hubble-images.html
http://nai.nasa.gov/news_stories/news_detail.cfm?ID=154
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,367260,00.html | |
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| Humans created by Aliens: Plausible theory?
Posted: 9/9/2009 11:14:49 PM | >>>what if humans were actually aliens in the sense that we had travelled here from another planet?
Well, it IS just a thought, I'll give you that.
There is no evidence to support this. In fact, we can clearly see a humanoid like creature slowly appear on the scene through evolution- the concept that everything is evolution, but man is from space, I. . .I just don't understand why you have the need. . .I mean, why couldn't ducks have equally have come from space, and replaced a creature that looked and acted identical to ducks?
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>>>I have no idea which is true, but claiming "You don't know the Universe works" implies that you DO, when you DON'T.
Granted- I do not know everything about the universe- but I certainly know that the creed of "anythings possible" that people blindly cheer, is not true. I do not need to know everything to know the universe has its limits. | |
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| Humans created by Aliens: Plausible theory?
Posted: 9/10/2009 6:20:18 AM | Thousands of years ago THEY manage to fool humanity with the terms of Gods From The Skies, Ancient Gods, Universal Brotherhood etc...And they were pretty successful.
I'm deeply sorry that we still do the same mistakes and believe in this impulse-received fantasies and we do not think properly. Today science is telling us that universe and our brain works holographically. Our reality is only based on our "perception". What we see is only the results of cosmic ray lights. We are restricted by 5 senses and unaware of the existence of multidimensional reality. Universe(s) surrounded by light body and microwave body entities and we were told about this in our teachings (metaphorically).
They have control over the matter that we consider to be "everyday reality", They can create illusions of an external and very realistic nature in the same way that we create holograms. This is scientific information...
So what is the purpose of all this? UFOs, Abductions, Humans created by Aliens etc..
-Keeping us unaware of the truth of Oneness (cosmic intelligence)
-Making us believe that there is a guy/guys sitting on the clouds, watching us, judging us.
-Making us forget that we have all the beautiful names (meanings) of the creator.
-Jealousy and megalomania. | |
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| Humans created by Aliens: Plausible theory?
Posted: 9/10/2009 7:54:23 AM | Dunno about "created" by aliens, but we may just be a form of cattle to them.
As the Bible says, "Go forth & multiply". We were dropped off here because it's a suitable planet for us to live on, once the herd gets to sufficient numbers ( maybe by December 21, 2012?) they'll be back to start harvesting.
The alien abductions are just some of the ranchers/health inspectors testing the cattle to see how our general health is, or perhaps culling the herd a little.
Oh, and crop circles are their version of branding, with ranchers staking out their teritory. | |
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| Humans created by Aliens: Plausible theory?
Posted: 9/10/2009 9:29:16 AM |
As the Bible says, "Go forth & multiply". We were dropped off here because it's a suitable planet for us to live on, once the herd gets to sufficient numbers ( maybe by December 21, 2012?) they'll be back to start harvesting.
It never ceases to amaze me, with all the challenges and troubles we face in the world, people have to make up more monsters. It's really kind of sad.
It's also ridiculous. The main reason being we share DNA with every other living thing on this planet. That simple.
So don't worry. To Serve Man is not a cookbook. | |
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| Humans created by Aliens: Plausible theory?
Posted: 9/10/2009 9:56:20 AM | | There are some stupendously idiotic threads on this Science/Philosophy forum. You might as well start a "Humans teleported here by giant blamanche" thread too, because it's about as plausible and redundant as the "alien" theory. | |
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| Humans created by Aliens: Plausible theory?
Posted: 9/10/2009 10:16:53 AM |
I do not know everything about the universe- I certainly know that the creed of "anythings possible" that people blindly cheer, is not true. I do not need to know everything to know the universe has its limits.
That's a contradiction. If you don't know the truth, you don't know it, period. There is a requirement, if one does not know something, that one cannot know how much of what one doesn't know one doesn't know. Everything we 'know' is likelihoods - plain and simple. Those limits you speak of are beyond your comprehension, and currently beyond the comprehension of every single human being alive on this planet. | |
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| Humans created by Aliens: Plausible theory?
Posted: 9/10/2009 10:34:31 AM | As the amazing Hubble Telescope expands our eyes into time and space, I find it interesting that there is so much glazing over of possibilities back on earth.
There is evidence that the building blocks of life are extraterrestrial, making them by definition, alien. Repeated bombardment of new RNA from space bourne particles could account for some of the rapid evolutionary leaps of life here over the millions of years. We may never know whether this RNA was random, created, or sent by life elsewhere accidentally or purposely. It's still nice to entertain the possibility that perhaps we're not so unique in the cosmos.
http://news.softpedia.com/news/DNA-and-RNA-Came-from-Space-88016.shtml
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For some reason or another, all of us like to believe that Earth is special - after all, our planet is the only one able to sustain life that we know of. Indeed, Earth is special in its own way, but life would not have been possible without the significant contribution of material coming form space. In fact, a new study shows that the compounds making up DNA and RNA actually originated in space, not on Earth as previously thought, and were brought here by meteorite fragments and other similar objects.
"We believe early life may have adopted nucleobases from meteoritic fragments for use in genetic coding which enabled them to pass on their successful features to subsequent generations," said the leader of the study, Zita Martins of the Department of Earth Science and Engineering at Imperial College London.
In 1969, a meteorite fragment, known today as the Murchison meteorite, crashed in the Australian outback. A thorough analysis, following its discovery, showed that it contained uracil and xanthine molecules (nucleobases), which are building blocks for genetic materials made up of a heavy carbon isotope. On Earth, such molecules contain only light carbon isotopes.
However, these two molecules are just a few of many others found in the respective fragment. "There are about 70 different amino acids in the Murchison meteorite. About six or so are the same kinds of amino acids associated with life on Earth," said David Deamer from the University of California.
The uracil molecule is one of the four bases for the RNA molecule, therefore it is invaluable to life. Deamer points out that, although these molecules have been proven to originate in space, they could have been developed on Earth just as well. Nevertheless, the proportion of molecules originating only in space or only on Earth is currently unknown.
"We don't know the answer yet. Most people would say that both contributed to the organic compounds available on Earth, but we don't know with certainty how much of one compared to the other," said Deamer.
Between 3.8 and 4.5 billion years ago, when primitive life first appeared, the Earth and Mars could have been literally bombarded with meteorites similar to the Murchison, thus studying the impact they would have had on different planets could reveal how life evolved in the solar system.
"Because meteorites represent leftover materials from the formation of the solar system, the key components for life - including nucleobases - could be widespread in the cosmos. As more and more of life's raw materials are discovered in objects from space, the possibility of life springing forth wherever the right chemistry is present becomes more likely," said Mark Sephton, professor of Earth science and engineering at Imperial College London and co-author of the study. end snip.. | |
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| Humans created by Aliens: Plausible theory?
Posted: 9/10/2009 10:39:01 AM | | I think there is a fundamental difference between saying the "building blocks" of life came from space and that we were "created" by space aliens. One is proveable. The other is not. | |
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| Humans created by Aliens: Plausible theory?
Posted: 9/10/2009 11:30:16 AM |
There is evidence that the building blocks of life are extraterrestrial, making them by definition, alien. Repeated bombardment of new RNA from space bourne particles could account for some of the rapid evolutionary leaps of life here over the millions of years. We may never know whether this RNA was random, created, or sent by life elsewhere accidentally or purposely. It's still nice to entertain the possibility that perhaps we're not so unique in the cosmos.
Of course the building blocks of life came from outer space. The entire planet did and I dare say it contained a few complex molecules in the mix too. So what? The article you cite even says:
although these molecules have been proven to originate in space, they could have been developed on Earth just as well.
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| Humans created by Aliens: Plausible theory?
Posted: 9/10/2009 11:59:04 AM | >>>-Keeping us unaware of the truth of Oneness (cosmic intelligence)
Right you are! People make these claims NOT because they're confused, mentally disturbed, or misinterpret reality- they make these claims because they know the truth of reality, and are trying to keep everyone else in the dark. The worlds largest and most complex conspiracy. Cause that makes perfect sense.
>>>As the Bible says, "Go forth & multiply". We were dropped off here because it's a suitable planet for us to live on, once the herd gets to sufficient numbers ( maybe by December 21, 2012?) they'll be back to start harvesting.
Again, following stargazers comments, we didn't just "appear" on Earth- we evolved over Billions of years, as did all life. The only possible way it could be argued that life came from another planet is if ALL life came from another planet- which isn't being argued here.
As for 2012....I honestly don't get it. Why or how would the Mayans have this information? And on that note, why or how would the Sumers? I never liked the concept that older civilizations, when they talk about gods, are actually talking about aliens, but other older civilizations, like Greek or Egyptian or thousands of others, when they talk about Gods, they are talking about Gods.
>>>. If you don't know the truth, you don't know it, period.
I admit I'm not omniscient. But that doesn't mean we should cast our conclusions aside in the paranoid fear that, someday, somewhere down the line, we might be wrong. The universe clearly have limits- "anything's possible" is simply not true. I do not need to see and understand everything in creation to make this conclusion.
So let me ask you- at what point is it okay to make a conclusion about anything in reality? Or must we understand everything about everything before we can admit to understanding anything about reality? | |
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| Humans created by Aliens: Plausible theory?
Posted: 9/10/2009 8:29:44 PM | I'm going to hijack this thread for a brief, albeit eye-opening wee minute......
Just looking at all of the pseudoscience and 'philisophical' threads in this forum...... are most of the people on POF dope smokers and acid heads, or what ??!
Apparently the mind is a perfect thing to waste.
Time for a shiny new hobby.
Okay, rant over.
Back to your "contemplating life and how we got here" crap.
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| Humans created by Aliens: Plausible theory?
Posted: 9/11/2009 7:59:19 AM |
As the Bible says, "Go forth & multiply". We were dropped off here because it's a suitable planet for us to live on, once the herd gets to sufficient numbers ( maybe by December 21, 2012?) they'll be back to start harvesting.
It never ceases to amaze me, with all the challenges and troubles we face in the world, people have to make up more monsters. It's really kind of sad
It never ceases to amaze me that some people can't tell when a post is not meant to be taken seriously...but if some people ARE taking Msg 1013 seriously then contact me & I'll sell you a special amulet that'll keep you from being taken by the ranchers. | |
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| Humans created by Aliens: Plausible theory?
Posted: 9/11/2009 1:04:13 PM |
The universe clearly have limits- "anything's possible" is simply not true. I do not need to see and understand everything in creation to make this conclusion.
So let me ask you- at what point is it okay to make a conclusion about anything in reality? Or must we understand everything about everything before we can admit to understanding anything about reality?
My point is that you don't know what is possible. So technically anything MIGHT be possible, until proven otherwise, that doesn't mean EVERYTHING is possible. And who knows, the latter might even be a possibility. You simply don't get to pick and choose what those limits are, even if it can be safely assumed they exist.
No, we see evidence of things, we receive information from our senses, through our comprehension, through communication and observation. Think of all the things you believed when you were a child and how it's changed. But the thing is you are still that child, you will never grow up to know everything. Humility is hard for people, in the face of all they don't know, and so they cling to certainties when there are none. I go with 1. what is useful, 2. what is likely and 3. what makes me happy. I don't shut anyone down at their suggestion of a possibility, simply offer what I've read, what I've heard and what I've thought. Anything suggesting my own stack of knowledge gleaned from this as the ultimate truth is wrong. I DO shut down people when they CLAIM to know either what IS or ISN'T the truth, especially when it is towards something they haven't investigated themselves. If you can't go through life knowing that you don't know then you've got blinders on. | |
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