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Most animals drive away their progeny once they reach a certain point in development. Humans not so much... and I think it's because of the extremely long childhoods humans need for development that the drive to protect our offspring is so strong (oxycotin)... that the only way to counteract it is for the offspring themselves to have an equally strong drive to separate. | |
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Posted: 1/8/2012 1:05:30 PM | The thing that perplexes me is how our (apparently) hunter gatherer ancestors all of a sudden decided to create a system of agriculture in a very short space of time. Also in a very short space of time they went from very primitive social systems to building megalithic structures that would challenge even modern engineering technology.
There are so many missing links between cave men and the pyramids that it is hard to categorically rule out any kind of external (i.e. extra terrestrial) involvement.
We do know that most civilisations build up around coastal areas, many of which were submerged at the end of the ice age (destroying many settlements and doubtless ending civilisations) - around 10,000 bc I think and many megalithic structures are dated around this time. Therefore it isn't surprising that there is no physical evidence of these "missing links" whatever the nature of them.
If humans were to suddenly vanish from the planet today it wouldn't take long for evidence of our civilisation to disappear. Buildings would fall into ruin (modern buildings are particularly prone to disrepair) - wooden structures would rot, bricks would crumble, steel would rust, bridges would collapse. Skyscrapers would eventually lose structural integrity without maintenance. Everything would become overgrown with vegetation. Any low lying areas subjected to permanent flooding once sea defences had crumbled would eventually lose all superficial signs that anything artificial ever existed there, probably in the space of a few hundred years. Another ice age and glaciation would begin to raze just about everything in northern latitutes. | |
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Posted: 1/8/2012 1:31:33 PM | Again, the links aren't missing, we just haven't located them yet. Further, with things like the concentrated settlements of the middle east, when a location is continuously occupied, the decedents of the first folks tend to recycle (and thereby destroy most evidence) of their forefathers' technologies.
Thing like Stone Henge HAVE been verified to have first been built of wood. Going from wood to stone is not a huge leap.
Further, the idea that there was a Great Leap, again requires the assumption that the prior group of humans were much less intelligent than the ones who "suddenly" built in stone.
In addition, we are only now beginning to realize that SOME of the evidence of prior civilisations you seek, are at the bottom of the Black Sea, and at the bottom of the Persian Gulf. There was a relatively sudden rise in sea level that took place at about the right time for an apparently much advanced peoples to "suddenly " appear amongst less advanced ones, as the seas flooded their homelands. This explains both the plethora of Great Flood myths, as well as big and rapid changes in apparent technology in what were previously the rural hinterlands. | |
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Posted: 1/16/2012 8:21:17 AM | I posted this in a different thread as well. I just thought that it would also be helpful in this thread as well:
Darwin's theory of evolution, since it's first mention, has since been disproven. You won't read about that in the text books, though. And the credible scientists that state that it's been disproven are automatically thrown into a pot with all the other "loons". For example, there's an archeologist (can't remember her name right now) but she has had IMMEDIATE influence on our current school teachings. She found, had evidence of, and stated that humans had, in fact, walked with dinosaurs. She was immediatley cast out. And then you have to take into account all of the ancient texts. Not with dinosaurs, but with other intelligent life that has walked this planet in our antiquity other than humans. The Sumarians are not the only ancient culture to talk abou the Annunaki and the creation of the human species via scientific meas. There are, literally, DOZENS of ancient culures (if not more) that have the SAME name of the their "creators". The same exact origin and the same exact story of creation. These ancient cultures were seperated by oceans. Now, according to our text books, THEY DIDN'T HAVE INTERCONTINENTAL travel back then. Not only that, they were seperated by 100's of years from the end of one culture to the beginning of the other. I just find it hard to believe that these people had the same dream or imagined the same things.
And how do you explain the ancient text describing DNA altering. Of cours, they don't call it DNA altering, but they describe it in very vivid detail. They also knew things about space that we didn't discover until only about 100 years ago or so. And I'm not only talking abou the fact that our sun in the center of the solar system (which they knew, and we didn't know until 1000's of years later), but I'm also talking about the size, mass, weight, location, chemical make up of EVERY planet in our solar system... explain that to me in a reasonable, logical manner, and I will be impressed.
As for God not existing.... I do believe there is a creator of everything. I do NOT, however, believe that the God in the Bible is it. I think that all the dieties and devine witnessings of biblical times were, in fact, mis interpretted technology. If you take an airplane, jet, or a helicopter, for example, and you show it to a primitive tribe who has NEVER witnessed anything even remotley close to that. They wouldn't call it an airplane, jet, helo, etc... What would they call it? A firery chariot? I would think so. A war bird? I would think that to. And, I don't know about all of you, but the God that I have grown up to 'believe in' , and the God that is preached about in all of our Christian churches wouldn't need some type of vehicle to travel the earth. If he's so omnipresent, then why would he need a craft of some sort to get to and from different locations? Dramatic purposes? C'mon now.
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Posted: 1/16/2012 9:43:11 AM | I don't think it is a very good idea to wrap up your belief systems into things that are at best improbable.
The only 'theory' I found doing a simple search for Man hanging out with Dinosaurs was about footprints through a riverbed. Some of them appeared to be possibly 'Giant human' like.
http://www.unmuseum.org/palx.htm
Most likely they were dinosaur prints and for some reason there are no pictures, no mention of the size of these "giants" and the whole thing is incredibly lacking in substance.
As for the mistaking the technology of the aliens as divine power. Makes total sense if you find one of the Alien ships, maybe some of that lightning technology, or even some form of physical proof that aliens are hanging out at Starbucks now.
Most of the exercises in interpreting everything ancient as having some form of link to impossible technology and alien intervention are pretty much straight up imagination and projection.
I think it makes much more sense that Aliens planted us here eons ago because it was a habitable planet. But making sense is only my imagination. There is nothing to base a belief system on. Even with organized religions. Most of the time it seems that deeply religious people had their brains hijacked by brain sucking worms and have lost their own identities.
It makes much more sense to keep your upfront conscience based in what is provable and knowable. That way you’re a bit more flexible in accepting that Man is really a few million years old and that dinosaurs were most likely hanging out around 65 million years ago without having a full identity crisis of faith. I tend to associate the end of the Ice age as the real start of modern man. That's somewher around 800k years old I beleive. It's ok to keep the more intangible beliefs a bit closer to the heart and look for those potential signs that there may be more validity to those beliefs somewhere but also be prepared that just because you believe in something that alone has no possibility of making it true.
Just think about it. | |
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Posted: 1/16/2012 10:46:52 AM | | I couldn't agree with you more. It is VERY important to keep a flexible open mind. I just think there is so much MORE to the story that mainstream science ALLOWS us to believe. And I also think that there is more that they know that they will not discuss due to different reasons (being labled a loon, for one). But I am basing mine off of evidence that I have found. The dinosaur thing? that was just an example. I haven't really even given that any thought, to tell the truth. But there is proof that there were very advanced forms of technology in the days of our ancestors. Technology that we, as a society, will say that ancient man didn't know how to do. Where did this come from? Also, why is so many cultures saying the same thing about our origins? Did they all have the same dream one morning? I highly doubt that. What I believe, based off of an open minded, totally FLEXIBLE, very long period of researching it, is that someone from somewhere else helped us adapt and evolve to where we are now. You have things such as cave drawing that show the same thing that modern man is claiming to see. And this goes for the way the beings looked, to what they 'drove' around. You have artifacts that have ABSOLUTLEY no place in the time that they were. NONE. Then you have the ancient texts. To me, those ancient texts are the same as our history books. If, in a few hundred thousand years, our current history and science books are found, they would be to the founder what these ancient writings are to us. Make since? But yes, you are absolutley right. having an open mind is very important to evolving your conciousness. | |
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Posted: 1/16/2012 3:40:08 PM | | this does not come close to a scientific theory. a good theory is supported by evidence which can be subjected to the strick scrutiny of the scientific method and tested to produce repeatable and predictable results. i know of no such evidence that can be tested. assumption does not a theory make. | |
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Posted: 1/16/2012 3:56:20 PM | Oh I am SO glad you just said that. There is remarkable evidence. For one, history IS science. It is a form of scientific investigation in to past happenings. So for something to be found historically, lets just say.... a religious carving found in Turkey that talks about the cold of 2012 being the new beginning of earth's cycle that is dated for approximatley 4,000 b.c. (carbon dated....I'm pretty sure that's a SCIENTIFIC means of determining an approximate date of an artifact) and the Mayan calendar that talks about Dec 21st 2012 being the beginning of the 5th cycle (this is just an example, I'm not stating that I think the world is going to end on Dec 21st 2012). Those are just TWO of the literally, DOZENS if not HUNDREDS of found evidence. Scientifically, it was impossible for our ancient ancestors to have full blown electricity or technology, right? Well, then explain to me how a 100 meter copper wire was found inside of a string of plant fossils. What scientific use did the ancients have for copper wiring? How did they stretch it and mine for it? How did they know that copper was a good conductor?
Or, how about the fact that the Sumerian texts talk about the planets in the VERY specific manner that they do? We've had some of our scientific 'founding fathers' threatened with being beheaded for some of the things that they proposes THOUSANDS upon THOUSANDS of years after the ancient sumerians said it was so. Perfect example Nicolaus Copernicus (February 19, 1473 – May 24, 1543) is credited with being the first to suggest the Sun was the center of our solar system (actually, he said the whole universe but that's a different story). He was threatened to burn at the steak because of it. Yet, the Sumerians knew? The SUMERIANS.... the first known intelligent civilization of our human species.... Or how about the fact that they knew that pluto wasn't the only celestial body beyond neptune? Or how did they know that Uranus consisted of hydrogen? When did we find that out again???? And lets take an extra terrestial influence as a whole? Albert Einstein wrote a paper to Truman discussing what he thought we should do about the 'UFO' phenomena.... You can get a lot of THIS type of ET evidience through the freedom of information act. I know from experience. But you CAN get it. In the paper, that I have gotten through the FOIA, he talks about his PERSONAL scientific research on the ET's and what HE thinks the government should do about it....
My point being, there's a MASSIVE amount ofevidence. It's not that there's no scientific evidence of this stuff, it's that there is no SOCIALLY ACCEPTED SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE. | |
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Posted: 1/16/2012 4:38:27 PM |
It's not that there's no scientific evidence of this stuff, it's that there is no SOCIALLY ACCEPTED SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE.
nor is there SCIENTIFICALLY ACCEPTED SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE. | |
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Posted: 1/16/2012 4:46:41 PM | | Yes, I can produce the paper. I would be happy to. email me on POF (don't worry, don't want a date. lol) and give me your email. I'll do it as soon as I get to it. Inside it, he discusses that the government (for reasons of 'national security') should be able to control the press. Hence, why these things are never discussed in the mainstream light. But I am more than willing to give you the paper. It's a VERY interesting read. It sounds like you would get a lot out of it. | |
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Posted: 1/16/2012 4:51:38 PM | | To the comment on THERE IS NO SCIENTIFICALLY ACCEPTED SCIENTIFIC evidence. There is... it all depends on which group of scientists you're getting your information from. If a scientist, of any discipline, knows that he or she may get black balled for agreed or supporting such claims, and their social status and reputation would take a hit amongst his money makers, and if that social status and reputation is more important to him/her, then why would he/she admit or support it? But there are plenty of respectable, level headed scientists out there that accept this as scientific fact, whether supported by mainstream or not. | |
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Posted: 1/16/2012 6:13:11 PM | Sorry but the Einstein communication about UFO's was a basic logic exercise and is not evidence of the reality of UFO's.
Basically, look at the year it was done. There was a policy to shoot anything down over DC. Because there were unknown objects sighted and it was a time of war.
http://bragalia.blogspot.com/2011/09/einsteins-flying-saucer-secrets-these.html
All that says is Einstein was pretty cool. He was thinking about space and the possibility of life that we may not know about and maybe shooting it first wasn't the best plan. No evidence at all of validity of aliens. No different than Stephen Hawking saying that if we happen to meet them it will be a very bad day due to their technical superiority.
The plausibility of aliens is high. The evidence is virtually nonexistent.
The distance between us and the next star is Proxima Centauri. It is 4.2 light years away. That is over 4 years traveling at the speed of light. The first known system with planets is Gliese 876 and is over 15 light years away. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gliese_876
A light year to the brain is about like saying 1 billion dollars. We really do not perceive it properly.
Fun little exercise. How long would it take our crazy fast spacecraft to travel one light year
http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=4742
Light travels 9,454,254,955,488 Km per year.
Spacecraft travels at around 50,000 Km per hour 438,000,000 Km per year
Just over 21,585 years to cover the distance
So, 21k x 15 = 315000 years to reach the nearest known system with planets.
Yes, you can stretch the imagination and bend space, use wormholes, and all that stuff we have heard in sci-fi over the years. But that just keeps the probability that we are / were routinely visited significantly low. Keep in mind. It is nearly scientifically impossible to say something is impossible. Just that simple fact that almost all unknown things can never be ruled out 100% leaves the door open for wild speculation, theories, and quite vivid imaginations. One I am quite fond of having myself. | |
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Posted: 1/16/2012 6:21:23 PM | Oh man, you have obviously not done enough research on the subject. And you were telling me earlier to have an open and flexible mind?
You are thinking of an entirely different document. I'm talking about a briefing, to the president and his investigators into the subject.
As far as the worm hole / bend space theory, it sounds like you believe in what Einstein said, for the most part. Well, you can't pick and choose. Space is, indeed, a fabric. In other FOIA and crdible witness accounts, our scientists have stated that bending space is, in FACT, possible. We just don't have the capbilities to do it yet. Like I said earlier, what do you think we could do if we lived for another 1,000,000 years? If a civilization is out there that is millions or billions of years older than us, then it's safe to say that they would have, undoubetdly, the technoligical means to do something of that sort.
You HAVE to research it to get a better knowledge of it. There is SO much more evidence out there than many people WANT to accept. You said so yourself, open mindedness and flexibility is paramount. Well, do it. | |
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Posted: 1/16/2012 6:25:35 PM | | And to stargazer, I'm playing devil's advocate on a lot of this stuff. I'm not going to disclose the full extent of my beliefs over the internet. I'm just saying... the evidence is out there. I was SO skeptic before and thought to myself, okay, I'll SEE what this is all about. And, to my surprise, I found SO much supporting documentation and evidence suggesting the reality of this kind of stuff. Still, not saying it's in my belief system, just saying that there's too much supporting material to dismiss it entirely. | |
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Posted: 1/17/2012 6:53:56 AM |
To the comment on THERE IS NO SCIENTIFICALLY ACCEPTED SCIENTIFIC evidence. There is... it all depends on which group of scientists you're getting your information from. If a scientist, of any discipline, knows that he or she may get black balled for agreed or supporting such claims, and their social status and reputation would take a hit amongst his money makers, and if that social status and reputation is more important to him/her, then why would he/she admit or support it?
That's crap. Scientists who find credible evidence of something remarkable receive Nobel prizes and become a hot commodity.
But there are plenty of respectable, level headed scientists out there that accept this as scientific fact, whether supported by mainstream or not.
No, there aren't. If there was a single scientist (or even non-scientist) who found credible evidence, the scientific community would be climbing over each other to find the next piece of the puzzle. Unfortunately doing science is hard work and there are always crackpots who want to make incredible claims and then blame their lack of acceptance on some konspiracy rather than do the hard work. | |
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Posted: 1/17/2012 8:14:20 AM | Can somebody please tell me how I quote a post?
Anyways, here is a SMALL list of the scientists that support the theory, in full, and also believe that there is a massive cover up (I REALLY didn't want to get into the 'cover up' about this topic, but it seems to be headed that direction). Some of the names are long since dead and gone (which makes since because this subject has been debated for decades, if not longer) and some of them are not scientists, some are military and government officials who have testified, before a congress, with lie detector tests, documentation forensics, video and picture forensice, psychological evalutations (which they passed all of). Feel free to research it all on your own:
Dr. Venever Bush
Gen. Nathan Twining
Dr. Detlev Bronk
Dr. Jerome Hunsaker
Dr. Sydney Sourco
Dr. Gordon Gray
Dr. Donal Mensel
Gen. Robert Montague
Dr. Ffloyd Berkner
Dr. Richard Hoagland
Dr. Albert EINSTEIN
Former Secretary of Defense James Forrestal
Robert Oppenheimer - FATHER OF MODERN ROCKETRY!!!
Dr. Steven Greer
Dr. Richard Hoagland
Former President Bill Clinton's White house chief of staff: John Podesta
ASTRONAUTS (some of the MOST credible people if you ask me)
Neil ARMSTRONG
BUZZ ALDREN
GORDON COOPER
EDGAR MITCHELL
President JIMMY CARTER
That is a VERY small list. That's just the ones that I can think of off the top of my head. If I was to go look into all my collection on the issue, then I could supply you with a hundred (literally) more names.
And If you're thinking "I haven't heard of these people".... Well, to that I'll say this. There are literally 1000's of scientists alive and working today JUST IN AMERICA ALONE. How many can you name, seriously? | |
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Posted: 1/17/2012 9:16:54 AM | Well, instead of playing secret spy agent with cryptic "I'm not going to post my knowledge" and then coming up with a list of people that may have refrenced some form of utternence of 'UFO' or "aliens". What is the evidence.
It seems like your mostly in this realm
http://www.ufos-aliens.co.uk/cosmicmaj.html
Once developed, the film contained negatives of what appeared to be an eight page briefing paper, prepared on 18th November, 1952, for president-elect Dwight D. Eisenhower. A warning on the first page read, 'This is a TOP SECRET - EYES ONLY document containing compartmentalized information essential to the national security of the United States'. On page two was a list of 12 influential US scientists, military leaders and intelligence advisors. It was not until viewing page three that the subject of the papers became clear, 'the recovery of a crashed flying saucer and alien bodies near Roswell, New Mexico, in July 1947'.
btw.... "quote" and "/quote" both words inside of "[" "]" | |
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Posted: 1/17/2012 9:28:00 AM |
Anyways, here is a SMALL list of the scientists that support the theory, in full, and also believe that there is a massive cover up
Is that anything like the lists of scientists who support creationism/intelligent design? Because that was a wonderful collection of crap.
In addition, you're not helping yourself by using Richard Hoagland once, never mind twice. He pretty much sees everything anomalous as "evidence" of aliens. He's built himself quite a nice, profitable career on gull...um...believers buying his books.
Thirdly, you realize what you're doing is the old "argument from authority" gambit. "Hey, Scientist A believes in..." That's another little tactic of the creationists. The best response to this approach is "So?"
Hey, I've been pretty aware of the "research" for a long time too - longer than 10 years. As far as I can tell, the best "evidence" has been "It's alien because I say it's alien." | |
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Posted: 1/17/2012 9:29:05 AM | | It's not that I'm playing secret spy agent. lol. I would gladly post anything you want proving this. It's just that I, literally, have 10+ externals full of nothing but research. Not to mention the hard copies that I have. What do you want? I don't have things that I've pulled off of youtube or other relating sites. So I can't give you a webpage link. I have things I got through FOIA, other researchers, etc... I started this research a LONG LONG time ago. If you want further information on something. Just write me on POF asking for my email or give me yours and I can send the documents to you. It's that simple. I don't want to put my email out on a public forum. | |
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Posted: 1/17/2012 9:35:59 AM | It's alien because I say it's alien. lol. I like that. That's the beauty of a beliefe system. It's like arguing that god is real with a strict baptist. lol. anyways, I'm not trying to 'convert' anyone. I was asked what my views were, I stated them. They were argued against and boom.
As far as Richard Hogland goes, There is a lot of nonsence that he puts out, you're right. But what you have to do, as a researcher, is find the stuff that is legitimate. reference it, cross reference it, find supporting material, etc... When you do that, and there are plenty of supporting materials to say something is legit, then that's the piece of information you use to go off of. Not the megalithic faces on mars. Although, there have been a lot of scientific studies on that as well.
If someone is getting frustrated in this forum, please, feel free to leave. We won't guilt you, we're not a church. lol
p.s. but before you leave, can you please tithe?  | |
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Posted: 1/17/2012 8:47:58 PM |
It's not that I'm playing secret spy agent. lol. I would gladly post anything you want proving this
Sigh... This is the problem. I have no clue what you are even trying to possibly prove. I assume it is that Aliens created humans. You say you have, "anything I want" to prove it and all I can possibly ask for is 'real evidence'.
So, we go through 1000's of documents of people having conversations where they agree it could be possible. We have another much smaller set of documents that could potentially be considered faked and no possible way to validate. Then we have mountains of circumstantial evidence where if you look at it with the eye towards this possibility it could be that it really means xxx.
Is what you have that conclusive without a 10hr background and not already published on the internet?
Is it thousands of puzzle pieces and only after years of research you might possibly have a similar conclusion :)
There is a reason why all bigfoot photos are blurry.
There would be a ton of scientists ready in a heartbeat to validate evidence. I hope it exists. | |
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Posted: 1/22/2012 5:24:51 PM | All any of us know is what he have been told. Accept it blindly or seek the truth. Most will, by nature, believe what they want for a wide variety of arbitrary reasons. It is how our minds are wired so put on your Shape Ups, go green, hate the enemy, and most importantly drink the cool-aid. Ignorance is bliss.
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Posted: 1/22/2012 7:52:11 PM |
All any of us know is what he have been told. Accept it blindly or seek the truth. Most will, by nature, believe what they want for a wide variety of arbitrary reasons. It is how our minds are wired so put on your Shape Ups, go green, hate the enemy, and most importantly drink the cool-aid. Ignorance is bliss.
Ok, I get it. You’re much more in tune and on a higher level of intelligence then us and we are just not capable of perceiving the truths that are directly in front of us because we are clouded by American Idol and episodes of family guy. I don't suppose it would be possible for you to explain what none of us are capable of perceiving? Or are we just below the minimum requirements for perception of truth. | |
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