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 mccullough64
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no the aliens do not exist as probabilities as much as you might suggest they do. that we exist here is proof that they can exist there, where ever there is. It falls on the doubter to prove that this is impossible which they cannot do. the universe does not consist of a series of unique places each with its own laws,and different elements rather they are the same through out and while no place is exactly the same no place is unlike any other including the earth.That they can exist there and there is such a large number of there's for them to exist at untold billions of suns in millions of galaxys that to doubt their existanse is a form of madness and arrogance.
 FrogO_Oeyes
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Posted: 3/1/2012 11:35:19 PM

no the aliens do not exist as probabilities as much as you might suggest they do. that we exist here is proof that they can exist there, where ever there is.

"can" exist is a far cry from "do" exist. "Can" is a probability, not a certainty.


It falls on the doubter to prove that this is impossible which they cannot do.

That is true, but only to the extent of proving the "possibility" impossible. Since the reality itself has not been shown, there is nothing else to be disproven. As they say, that which is asserted without proof, can be dismissed without proof.


That they can exist there and there is such a large number of there's for them to exist at untold billions of suns in millions of galaxys that to doubt their existanse is a form of madness and arrogance.

Again, this is at best probability, not certainty. "Doubt" is neither madness nor arrogance when there is neither evidence nor logic to support the claim. However, it might be both arrogant and mad to proclaim alien life "impossible" given what we know of the requirements of life. It is a far different thing to claim it "impossible" when it is only in fact "undemonstrated". All that I and most others are likely to say is that alien life is undemonstrated, and without demonstration, any claim of certainty is at least equally arrogant and mad as any claim of impossibility.
 Oceanside77
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Posted: 3/1/2012 11:57:28 PM
In certain moments I like alot of things that Steve Quale covers, mostly for entertainment, but then again the whole alien creating humans thing is an element that intrigues those who no longer have a religion. They are still looking for a Creator and higher being than themselves. I don't take too much stock in it becouse we still end up in an infinite regression of "well then who created the aliens and so forth", ad infinitum"...
 mccullough64
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Posted: 3/2/2012 6:43:32 AM
the claim that alien life exists cannot be equel with the claim of its impossibility for we exist.
we do not exist in a vacuum. if evolution happened here it can ,and did, happen elsewhere. there are no grounds to assume that we are a unique location.
 mccullough64
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Posted: 3/2/2012 7:49:32 AM
and just because other people make absurd claims about what aliens do such as run around in space ships and visit the earth in them and conduct sexual experiment on them. does not mean they do not exist on their own planets elsewhere in the galaxy and universe it is possible to separate the gold from the dross. and it is hyper-skeptical and a bit of a pose to doubt their existence. there simply is no reason too.
 Aries_328
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Posted: 3/2/2012 10:30:46 AM

we do not exist in a vacuum


Actually... we literally do live in a vacuum. It is called space. We are not outside of space we are in it. We may be protected from it but our existence definitely occurred within a vacuum :)
 mccullough64
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Posted: 3/2/2012 12:27:46 PM
by the way. "have we been looking at the aliens all these years? are the sunspot on the sun living creatures living in a breeding cycle? mat colonies of bacteria or something similar?
 veevee
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Posted: 3/2/2012 1:18:14 PM
Vacuum talk huh - so what we know is that we our universe is in the big Hoover in the sky. We are the trash that got sucked up from the better universes huh.
Once the dust bin gets emptied - it's all over for us or is that what black holes are for - exhaust and a hepa filter.
 Aries_328
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Posted: 3/2/2012 1:29:37 PM
The great hoover in the sky

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vacuum

a typical vacuum cleaner produces enough suction to reduce air pressure by around 20%.[2] Much higher-quality vacuums are possible. Ultra-high vacuum chambers, common in chemistry, physics, and engineering, operate below one trillionth (10−12) of atmospheric pressure (100 nPa), and can reach around 100 particles/cm3.[3] Outer space is an even higher-quality vacuum, with the equivalent of just a few hydrogen atoms per cubic meter on average.
 mccullough64
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Posted: 3/2/2012 1:37:46 PM
Black holes are like smelters they break things down and emit them. They for example emit a lot of things in the form of the gravitational fields they generate
 ericwashere123
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Posted: 3/2/2012 7:22:07 PM
this isn't a scientific nor a philosophical question. I think you have been watching the history channel to much and have confused the pursuit of knowledge with entertainment. SCIENCE ONLY DEALS WITH QUESTIONS THAT CAN BE TESTED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 stargazer1000
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Posted: 3/2/2012 8:29:42 PM

by the way. "have we been looking at the aliens all these years? are the sunspot on the sun living creatures living in a breeding cycle? mat colonies of bacteria or something similar?


Are you kidding me!? Seriously? I'm seriously thinking you need to up the dosage of whatever meds you're taking McCullough. Either that, or you're just starting to make stuff up for the troll of it.
 MikeWM
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Posted: 3/3/2012 5:40:54 AM
If aliens arent real how come ALF had his own TV show eh?
 mccullough64
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Posted: 3/3/2012 7:06:14 AM
well we can observe the gravitational fields that form around black hole and make calculations that is a form of "testing" when we observe what they take in. and we can also observe sunspots with telescopes and satellites and that is a form of testing too. There is more than one way to skin a cat and just because you cant dissect a sun spot on earth doesn't mean you cant test them. so it is Science.
 stargazer1000
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Posted: 3/3/2012 7:10:04 AM

so it is Science.


What you're engaged in is not science but speculation and fantasy.

This is science:

http://sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov/
 mccullough64
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Posted: 3/3/2012 7:31:32 AM
Because my ideas may be tested, they are Science.
 Jiperly
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Posted: 3/15/2012 11:36:27 AM
What testing have you done?
 mccullough64
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Posted: 3/17/2012 1:32:52 PM
if you read all of my posts carefully,
you will find i am providing everything , nessacary,
to find their message and decipher it.
Boy , it's a lot of work getting ready for Alien Contact.
 mccullough64
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Posted: 3/17/2012 2:32:50 PM
if you don't believe, you'll see,
I've already made contact,

the Aliens will be glad to tell you ,
how wrong you are.

and it's about to be proven.

and when it is,
many of you will go insane, permanantly.

because you won't like it,
that they can prove God exists better than I can.

and thats the first thing they'll want to do.

Theyll be saying "Do you belive in (a) God?" We do!
In every language on Earth.

and you just won't like it
because you won't be able to prove them wrong.

and Belief is the difference between Human and Animal,
if you don't belive you aren't Human. not any more.
 Aries_328
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Posted: 3/17/2012 5:42:38 PM
and Belief is the difference between Human and Animal,
if you don't belive you aren't Human. not any more


Certainty of anything without evidence is faith and placing assumptions especially physical science theories as a dependency of anything of 'faith' will inevitably lead to the collapse of that theory. (I need a better word for theory in this sentence. I don't think it fits properly)

http://www.rochester.edu/news/show.php?id=1421

When in a tight spot, animals "lie" to their own kind to get what they want, a University of Rochester biologist has found.


A lie cannot be successful without a belief.
 stargazer1000
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Posted: 3/17/2012 6:10:42 PM

if you don't believe, you'll see,
I've already made contact,


Up the dosage! Seriously!
 Jiperly
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Posted: 3/18/2012 12:17:25 PM
>>>you will find i am providing everything , nessacary,

Not really. I mean, you've gone on to say things like aliens created AI's, and AI's created man.....but do you have any evidence of this? Have you proved anything?

No. You've just stated that its a good idea.

There's a difference between forming a hypothesis and testing one...you really need to understand that...

>>>and it's about to be proven.

So then you agree- you have yet to "prove" anything.

Why should I side with you if you cannot supply any proof? I mean, even if what you are saying is true- that aliens are real, and they contacted you- you have the personal experience of that event to back your own convictions on. But I don't.

No aliens have come down from the sky to shake my hand- I have no reason to believe they exist- and the utter lack of any evidence re-enforces this. I am not impressed or convinced by your convictions anymore than if someone were to tell me they shook hands with a flying spaghetti monster

Should I believe in something without any evidence supporting it? Is this the kind of support you want- from people who jump to conclusions and make assumptions? That testing hypothesis's should take back seat to forming a cool story?

It is completely unreasonable to challenge other peoples perceptions because you feel yours is better, but then claim its impossible to prove your perceptions are correct, and we should just accept your beliefs as fact.
 musicfellow38
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Posted: 3/18/2012 12:58:20 PM
"we do not exist in a vacuum" - mccullough64



Actually... we literally do live in a vacuum. It is called space. We are not outside of space we are in it. We may be protected from it but our existence definitely occurred within a vacuum :)
- Aries_328

McCullough64, I know EXACTLY what you were trying to say and I think you said it just fine. I know what you meant. You were being metephorical with your quote and it was a fine one. Which is what makes ARIES_328's reply quite funny. So hats off to both of you for an entertaining exchange. From his "smiley face" a the end of his comment, I'm guessing he's not disagreeing with your metaphor, just jumping on your choice of metaphor which happened to be literally false, thus amusing. Nice call. so I'm sincere when i say "LOL"
 matchlight
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Posted: 3/18/2012 11:49:47 PM
I'm not sure why aliens would want to create life on earth. Why us, in the first place, and why would they not have made themselves known to us at some point? What would be the big secret?

I think the idea some scientists have put forward that the seeds of life here came from elsewhere makes some sense. Some comets and some meteorites which have hit the earth contain organic compounds. Could some more complex molecules have formed from these in time, or even have come here that way? Countless objects, from as small as dust to miles across, and originating in all sorts of places, have fallen on the earth during its 4.6 billion years.
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Posted: 3/19/2012 12:21:24 AM
We're just stardust. Still being bombarded by the universe, with new building blocks raining down on us over time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUk7TuKSeDs
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