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 mudbones
Joined: 4/3/2005
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Here in America everything has gotten out of control....law suits galore.....morality in quick sand....too many guns.....no judicial control.......school and work place killings..
racist saying anything they want........computer scams ,bams and virises....no place is safe and I mean no place......drugs out of control....the constitution being used for individual gains......the few ruling the many.....!!!!!

How much farther down can we go we have lost control and its our fault!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 Bobisherenow
Joined: 11/12/2008
Msg: 27
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Posted: 11/25/2008 8:59:27 AM
The few have always ruled the many....The idea of the majority ruling is a con to get you to vote a certain way.. As far as guns are concerned they are a right and also a privileged to those who OBEY the law to own and have. Now what types and kinds can be changed...that is another issue for another thread. In this country you have free speech. People can say what ever they want and should be able to do it with out getting into trouble, but that right is slowly being taking away whether you would like to admit it or not. And by the way if people no longer have the right to say what the want, then since I am short I should have the ability to sue and punish those who hurt my feelings and said that I was too short. ..Get my point. Your doctor prescribes you drugs that are just as addictive and dangerous as what you can buy on the street. Remember drugs are created to treat an illness NOT cure it. Even if everything were changed, some one would always be left out and some one would always rule and have followers... The world has never been a safe place to live. I have been to a 3rd world country before...WE have it a billion times better than 3rd world countries.. The most poor person over here would be considered wealthy if they lived in poverty stricken 3rd world country.. I mean I don't know of anyone over here who has to walk 80 miles just to get a drink of water...I have even worked in soup kitchens...We have it made here.. It is just a matter of doing something about your situation and yes at one point in our lives we all need help...In other places in the world there own leaders and neighbors refuse to help out, that is why you have missionaries, doctors who volunteer, and others who go to other countries to help out those in poverty...They do not have the opportunities that we have here. All I can say that it is great to be an American...if you need someone to blame then look into the mirror...
 whowhatme
Joined: 5/28/2008
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Posted: 11/25/2008 12:51:13 PM
which would have been fine if Bush and Cheney

Clearly, you have an axe to grind, as you wish to blame every woe, it would seem, on Bush and Cheney.


it was the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act which repealed much of the Glass-Steagall Act that caused the problem.


Glass Steagal was repealed in a bipartisan vote, and signed into law by Bill Clinton. Not Bush and Cheney.
Barney Frank was pooh poohing those who warned home loans were toxic-and encouraged the Fanny and Freddy to loosen lending standards.
Five years ago, for example, when the Bush administration proposed much tighter regulation of the two companies, Frank was adamant that "these two entities, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, are not facing any kind of financial crisis." When the White House warned of "systemic risk for our financial system" unless the mortgage giants were curbed, Frank complained that the administration was more concerned about financial safety than about housing.
http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2008/09/28/franks_fingerprints_are_all_over_the_financial_fiasco/

Reserve chairman Greenspan was the hands off, pro-market guy who ignored the coming storm, and failed to monitor the derivatives markets, which were his responsibility

Paulson, being Chairman for barely two years when this began, is left to pick up the pieces.

There's plenty of blame to go around. It hardly lies in the laps of Bush/Cheney.
 oscarz05
Joined: 8/22/2007
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Posted: 11/25/2008 12:56:17 PM
"There's plenty of blame to go around. It hardly lies in the laps of Bush/Cheney. "


got your own axe to grind and sure there's plenty to go around but the "clinton did it to us" stuff is old.

when its your watch, its your watch.

man up.
 whowhatme
Joined: 5/28/2008
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Posted: 11/25/2008 1:01:58 PM

got your own axe to grind

I'm not the one consistently railing against the same two people, you are.
I'm quoting fact for you, but it doesn't fit your Bush is bad frame work, or your too lazy to read your history, or being intellectually dishonest.


when its your watch, its your watch.

man up.


I agree. Frank should man up, Clinton should man up, Greenspan should man up.
I've written, and proven, there's plenty of blame to go around. I'm not blaming any one person. You are.
 oscarz05
Joined: 8/22/2007
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Posted: 11/25/2008 1:43:34 PM
"I agree. Frank should man up, Clinton should man up, Greenspan should man up.
I've written, and proven, there's plenty of blame to go around. I'm not blaming any one person. You are. "


lets not forget phil.

and as far as I'm concerned while there may be plenty of blame to go around, I haven't heard either of two guys who were in charge during this debacle take an iota of blame.

let the manning begin with them. they did more to run this country in to the ground in the eight years they were there than any other administration in history. seems to me they are first on the man list.
 compleat_man
Joined: 10/3/2008
Msg: 32
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Posted: 11/25/2008 1:44:25 PM
LOL, the executives of the "big 3" US auto-makers all flew in private jets costing at least $100,000 each to Washington DC to beg for taxpayers to bail them out.. could ahve flown for $500 commercially, but they are 'too good' for that.

each of them have multiple jets, I think GM has 20 or so, they have no intention of sellignor getting rid of ANY of them

yet these arrogant b*stards think taxpayers (yes including minimum-wage salves) should contribute tax dollars to help THEM out

(many of them making multi-million dollar pay packages)
 JSlade58
Joined: 9/11/2008
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Posted: 11/25/2008 2:42:11 PM

They seem to think their "Jap cars" are superior but they may want to trace the cars history to see that many of them are 100 percent american made.

The parts are made elsewhere, they are assembled here.
 Sortin
Joined: 2/17/2008
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Posted: 11/25/2008 6:27:41 PM
Have you considered holding the CEO's of the auto manufacturer's accountable for producing an inferior product, thereby putting the livelihoods of their employees at risk? Or do you think blaming the consumer is really the answer?

There is a system of government that forces you to buy domestic products- it's called communism.
 tetnis666
Joined: 11/8/2008
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Posted: 11/25/2008 6:44:16 PM
How about the steep drop in gas prices? I swear when it goes back to 4.00 a gallon I am going to write a book about how stupid people are. Dosnt anyone feel like they are getting slapped in the face? they are saying"look we do own you". be good or we will be choked financially to death by the powers that be.
 mudbones
Joined: 4/3/2005
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Posted: 11/26/2008 9:35:54 AM
Name three American companies CEOs that are giving up their heffty pay checks!!!!
 Bobisherenow
Joined: 11/12/2008
Msg: 37
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Posted: 12/2/2008 5:20:08 AM
I don't know any citizens in this country who have to walk 80 miles just to get a drink of water.. so therefore I think we are going to be ok.
As far as the CEOs go, their job is to make money, just like the people who work for them are there to make money also. Now I can agree that if one person at a company gets a bonus then all the other people at that company should get a bonus as well. I have no issues with that. But if we take all the money and power from the wealthy who would we have to blame and complain about afterwards? Who would be next? Do what you can for you, your family and for your neighbors(especially the ones that return something they borrow) and all will be ok. It is funny how humans always seem to blame everyone else except themselves for their problems these days.
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