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Posted: 12/1/2008 5:23:58 AM | As another friend who posted on here messaged me and said, you lot will not understand having not lived it. I speak from LIFE experience thanks, not tv shows.
Not giving definate details here, I like my life to stay the way it is.
Do some real research about things I mentioned before being so dismissive. Try infowars .com for more about the banks you speak of or message me privately and I will introduce you to people who can show you more than you would believe.
I have all the evidence I need to verify what I have stated. Sue me and I will prove it if needed in court. The police records with all names can be found in archives and all the names sound similar. I moved state for good reason.
I could go on about the Rothchild banks funding both sides of every war in our world so far and things like the new world order, the UN etc but have already gone way off topic in a attempt to show how small crooked bikers are a problem in Australia.
Im not bragging or crying about street life at all, just saying it how it is. I and many others lived it.
I am fully aware of the vote chase as I mentioned the pollies go for the seen ones to get attention. Even Allan bond and Skase are small fry when looking at corruption in the big money game. Try George bush and friends doing an insurance job on the world trade centre.
This thread is about bikers and crime in Australia, not about banks etc so I was trying to stay on topic. | |
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Posted: 12/1/2008 5:58:25 AM | | I think these clubs are easy targets because there out there ,they doant sneak around in the dark of night in stealth mode ,there loud and in your face but most are just having fun doing what they do !You will get bad apples In every walk of life police ,jugdes,doctors in fact the later three commit some of the most sinister crimes .I have a house next to mine with 4or5 of these guys from one of the clubs that are in the real bad list .They cause NO trouble at all! I Think the police should check there ranks for drugs and guns first ,more drugs go missing from time of arrest to when they are logged in than you would believe +an x friend of mine who goes shooting out west with a few police gets his hands on all sorts of fire arms ,automatics included these guns were supposed to have been destroyed ???????? no I think more emphasis should be placed on Police and certain ethnic groups who like blowing things up .Id love to see compulsory weekly random drug tests on our boys in blue along with our politicians. | |
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Posted: 12/1/2008 6:04:53 AM | | [I think these clubs are easy targets because there out there ,they doant sneak around in the dark of night in stealth mode ,there loud and in your face but most are just having fun doing what they do] EXACTLY! easy to see so lets get em, to get the people thinking we are doing something and take the focus off ourselves. Why was it the drugs dried up by half when Colin Winchester met his maker? Cops got scared and pulled their heads in for a while. Great post Roby B. | |
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Posted: 12/1/2008 11:53:01 PM | Some mature and realistic attitudes to this subject, thanks for sharing. The big picture makes Biker problems fade into the tiny basket where it belongs.
Not selling this thread short, crooked bikers are a problem, but are far less than most think due to being so visual.
Im outta here guys. If anyone is interested in info on the BIG picture, feel free to message me. | |
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Posted: 12/2/2008 6:41:49 AM | | bro im so with u on that i know bikers and they are great do anything for anyone im sick of it why does everything get blamed on them its not fair | |
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Posted: 12/2/2008 6:45:47 AM | oh and too the bikers who saved my life when i was 15 thanks ill never forget oh funny thing is heaps of other ppl standing round while i got stabbed who helped | |
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Posted: 12/3/2008 3:37:46 AM | NotWilted... Bikie collaborations may like to be called CLUBS now but they were gangs when I grew up... had Hells Angels on one side of the fence , Highway 61 locally and then smaller gangs who werent bike focused but now are like Black Power and the Mongrel Mob (president lived on the corner) and then came the Head Hunters ....yep I am a kiwi so well used to having neighbours and mates involved in gangs/clubs as they maybe now
In one of my former jobs I was constantly working with crims who happened to be bikies and in currently popular clubs ... but I do hear you on the its not all of them just some | |
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Posted: 12/4/2008 11:06:57 PM | While here again for a looky see, I would like to give thanks to the christain bikers who hold an Easter fair at Cleveland every year for the kids. Rides and sausage sizzles are free, all payed for by the club.
Pony rides, minature train rides, merry go rounds, peewee trail bike rides and much more either free or very cheap. | |
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Posted: 12/9/2008 4:05:03 AM | You all need to read the Serious and Organised Crime (Control) Bill 2007,
Legislative Council—No 100
As received from the House of Assembly and read a first time, 26 February 2008
This has been introduced to South Australia and has far reaching implications to the point that some people will no longer be able to conduct thier everyday legitimate business's, the reason because a so called bikie may visit the business more than 6 times in a year and that would mean you were consorting and that my friends is an offence under this bill.
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Posted: 12/16/2008 4:45:14 AM | Well there are SOME facts in this thread and a lot of myth and speculation.
Firstly as some have tried to explain there is a difference between "bikies" and "bikers". It is generally considered that "bikies" are the members of "bike gangs" and "bikers" are simply those who like riding bikes.
For Hopster, "bikies" are a lot more involved in drugs and organised crime than you know. Something I worked on for several years. The fact that you are unaware of it merely means they are conceiling their activity better than they used too. I can also tell you that a lot of the hard corp "bikies" don't actually ride bikes any more and lots of them get around in suits looking very legit.
I don't think ASIO ever put their hand up for the Hilton Hotel bombing although the Intelligence Services were widely suspected. ASIO is actually the "external" intelligence organisation with ASIS being their "internal" counterpart.
To 707707 in msg 21. The police always 'appear' to be trying to stop underworld figures killing each other. Just not trying too hard. I mean it IS against the law. In the same way they always 'rush' to pub brawls. There have been some big celebrations in the police club on some of those nights. Like there was when 3 convicted killers set fire to their cell in Pentridge some years ago for attention and died in the fire. Terribly sad day, tears all around. | |
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Posted: 12/16/2008 8:50:01 PM | There are a couple of guys in clubs who are of a criminal element BUT not all in the clubs condone their behaviour the guys who act the way the media portrays are not the marjority of the club riders there are bad apples in every barrel most of the clubbies are in it for the pleasure of riding and having fun as a club....
Your still livin in the 70,s notwiledyet. or you are very nieve
I think you will find that the clubs of today are so organised that nothing happens within these organisations without the leadership knowing about it and condoning it and taking a percentage for the club
As for using the internet for there business why not most of the outlaws i have known are very smart boys. people judge by the way the dress and that is very foolish thats just underestimating them
just an old fashion bit of termanology as to what the different termanolagy stands for
BIKIE = someone who has no moral fibre and goes looking for trouble, uses motorcycles as a image thing ride but may also been seen get driven around in a Limo
Bikies chose that life style
Biker= someone who loves his/her bike and his/her bike is an extension of who he/she is. has good moral fibre and can be found working in all forms of society yet still lives by his/her own belieifs Whist he/she may look like a bikie he/she is very different does not go looking for trouble but can handle it if it comes looking for him/her. Being a biker is not a way of life but part of who he/she is.
Motorcycle Rider = Hobby , a toy something to do with friends
Now this is only my opinion and you may not agree and you have that right.
I'm second generation biker thus i beleive i have some insight whether you agree or not
Cheers
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Posted: 12/17/2008 1:27:55 AM | I love watching charades on these forums! good entertainment.......
These new laws being introduced only effect people breaking the bl**dy things and others. Your nose is clean ? there's nothing to worry 'bout. "bikers", Bikies or whatever you want to call them know the game they play, know the rules no what winning is, know what losing is know the territory and they aint on a forum like this big noting anyone or anything.
playball.....
They'll come up with a statergy, in fact in SA the "if you cant beat em, join em" philosphy is being employed with a new political party being introduced. | |
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Posted: 12/17/2008 12:57:08 PM | What makes me laugh is our ch7 news loves bikie stories and one of their favorite phrases is `Outlaw bikie gangs`Pfft What is an `outlaw bike gang` anyway?Are they `outlawed`? Is the station saying "Well we know they do illegal stuff all the time so we`ll just say they are crims...without saying it"? Or maybe the most obvious definition is that the consider themselves outside the law.Either way the news just loves to say it loud and clear `OUT - LAW - BI - KIE - GANGS`,just to scare the oldies and the ignorant.Ok maybe some do run illegal operations and stuff,i dont know for sure,but ask yourself this - When was the last time a Coffin cheater was accused of breaking an entering to steal someones playstation? or who was the last Gypsy joker to go on a shooting rampage in a local shopping centre and shoot at the general public.Personally if i could i would love to live down the road from a place where bikies live.If you think about it how long would it be before the 17 year old kid with the impreza was `asked` to cease doing burnouts every time he drove down the street?Would the shifty shaky people looking for an open window reconsider walking down your street,just out of fear?Dont know.My point being,after all that, is i see that most bikies may have a problem with other gangs or people that are trying to step on their toes,but generally Mr and Mrs J.Public dont have anything to fear unless they dont mind their own business.But we`re already halfway there because most of do that anyway.Yes there is going to be the odd bikie that does`nt fit this mold,but fortunately,I believe they are few and far between. Take a look at Troy Mccanty(?),From newspaper reports he was kicked out of his gang and given a slapping basically because he was putting the spotlight on the rest of them by constantly being in the public eye when he didnt need to be,ie getting in to fights at clubs and stuff with the general public.
I dont want to defend these guys because they arent angels,but guess what?
I have a gaurd dog in my backyard and it isnt to keep out bikies,we as urbanites have more troubling people to worry about.
BTW someone told me the Gypsy jokers own Jiffy foods,is that true? | |
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Posted: 1/11/2009 9:49:09 PM | Asio never needed to have their hand up. The poor buggers who did time till they proved their innocence proved it was asio but was it ever in the papers? No.
Asio are Internal/ External? Who cares? They are meant to protect us, not prompote the agenda of the new world order and Bush & Co by trying to make us fearfull enough to allow our civil liberties to be taken away and actually vote for laws which take away our rights.
These new laws are just more of the same control tactics. We already have laws stopping crims from consorting with each other whether they ride a bike or not. We don't need to add bikes to the mix. People are crims, not bikes.
I know enough bikers and relatives of club members to know what is going on behind the scenes and KNOW it is very little compared to others in the drug game.
Cops inverstigating can only speculate and we all know what happens when people speculate, much more is imagined than ever really happens. | |
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Posted: 3/23/2009 2:28:36 AM | The boys are getting restless around Sydney Lately,
and a little careless. A couple of drive by shootings,
a kneecapping, a murder, and now the brawl at the
airport, all in front of dozens of witnesses, one dead.
How long before they come to a supermarket, or school
near you? Seems to me the constabulary has been quite
happy to let them sort themselves out of late. But now it's
gone public, they might have to get off their bums and
do something, will they achieve anything? I don't think so,
not in the short term anyway. | |
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Posted: 3/23/2009 3:19:10 AM | *
Cmon why would criminals use the internet at all as it is all tracable??
Yes I said criminals ...... not bikers as suggested.
There is a criminal element in all walks of life. Admitedly the bike groups in Aus have changed over the past 10yrs. A lot of bad blood and things left unresolved, getsquares and the like are bound to occur when a persons individuality is sacrificed to 'belong' to a stronger entity, a gang. One gets hurt they all get square, thats how it works isnt it?
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Posted: 3/23/2009 3:23:24 AM | With reference to the most recent episode of so called "Bikie" violence, I am led to believe that the people involved are not really Bikers.
The club in question is referred to as being bikies because of their involvement in certain traditional outlaw Biker crimminal activities. To be precise the manufacture and distribution of certain substances.
This club does not ride, it is ethnicaly based and has a fondness for high powered cars. The base for their activities is believed to be in the Granville area of Sydney.
As to whether they have any involvement in the recent "Drive Bys" I don't think anyone but those involved know the truth.
I have, in the past, been somewhat associated with a number of clubs, mainly as the ex vice pres and treasurer of a "Feeder" club called Bikers LTD, (no longer exists because I liquidated it). Also a family member is an ex pres of HA Australia.
I have found that the majority are ok, however as with any loose knit organisation, there are always those who tend toward the crimminal scene.
It is interesting to note that South Australia has enacted legislation making it unlawful to be a member of certain Bike clubs, or to associate with such. This will do nothing to stop them, members will simply not wear their colours in that state. Once across the border? patches will still be worn.
The current estimation of membership of 1% clubs has been set at around 10,000 Australia wide, with around a further 20,000 none riding associates. These figures were provided by the NSW Police on television tonight. | |
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Posted: 3/23/2009 3:15:00 PM | A domestic at the domestic, I think any gangs are out right cowards..they should do every one a favour and kill each other out where no bystanders get hurt, or where little kids cant watch people die.
having said that the govt. have no chance of even slowing these gangs down, unless they outlaw all clubs, cars, bowling, bridge, yoga included.
you cant stop enthusiasts from getting together. how would you tell the difference bewteen a gang or a club ??
the bikers have been at war for some time in NSW it will only get worse.
the domestic at the domestic came less than 24hrs after that mahmoud dib (bandito's) guy got got. | |
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Posted: 3/28/2009 5:00:37 AM | I agree HuntingWolf,
That not all bikers are criminals. I know several that just enjoy the brotherhood and riding their bikes. But as you stated there are those who have different agendas. They are the ones that give all bikers a bad rep, along with the media sensationalism that feeds societies fears of bikers.
As for the public bashing death of a assumed member of a bikers club, i ask..Where were the security and the federal police...In this day and age of terrorism they were suspicously vacant at that time. Usually you only have to look side ways or look different for about a dozen officers too appear and drag you off....
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Posted: 3/28/2009 3:16:38 PM | yer I never understood that about security... great bloody help they were.
I understand that if i saw a bunch of big bikers have n a bloody brawl I would be reluctant to jump in and do my job, but it is their job.
But after "the chasers" showed how tight the super duper APEC summit security was, how can we expect airport security to be any tighter.
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Posted: 3/28/2009 9:23:23 PM | | It's the mystic about bike gangs that make them scary. One bad egg and the rest get branded the same. It would be like calling all footballers, womanising, adultry, raping, druggies because of cousins, fevola, and wayne carey. Would that be fair? | |
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Posted: 3/29/2009 5:17:05 AM | Oh my god, The media have alot to be responsible for.........
Bike clubs can't be involved in organised crime un;ess they are involved with other organised criminals such as Politicions, Police departments and other high ranking white collar criminals.
Its called organised crime because its organized and run by highly intelligent people.
Organised crime started in the 14th cenutary with the magna carta and serious crimes and illegal dealings have been going on since Roman days.
Clubs have been around for less than half a centuary and you now expect us to believe that they are responsible for the evils of this society, but then you contradict yourself by saying these highly intelligent organised individuals would surprise you if they sat behind a computor and actually understand and know how to use a computor, using a computor is no where near as complicated as some of the things they are allegedly suspected of doing
Further you insult them by suggesting that they would use this site as part of their intelligence operation.
Just because some fool dated another fool and felt it best to leave town as a result, doesn't indicate this site being used as a form of covert communications intelligence for highly organised criminal activity by bike club members.
The media has found a new meal ticket by publcising gangs and clubs, its no different to any other crap spewed out by the media, the problem is dim wits who believe everything they see and hear.
The media exploits and misrepresents everything and is a tool of propoganda to the average western fool who chooses to be brainwashed.
If you think that banning bike clubs would minimise organised crime and the drug trade or prostitution or any other form of society ill, then your really being stupid.
You would be suggesting that crime has only been present on this planet for less than a hundred years at that is absolute nonsense.
I have no opinion on bike clubs at all, I have a strong opinion on the corruption and crime of our governments and politicions and the media having controll over the general population such as yourself.
Take a deeper look into history and the facts before discriminating against any group of people.
You cant beleive they are responsible for such highly intelligent and organised dealings and yet not smart enough to use a computor or have a better form of covert communciations
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Posted: 3/29/2009 5:36:03 AM | if the US had looked after their Vets after ww2 then some wouldn't have grouped together ,..... gravitated to bikes and looked after themselves in an out law fashion...( with james dean,brando,movies later) etc...
the commradery of the services, a brotherhood yearned..... the bikes themselves..
their sacrifice during the war.. delivered the same oppressors they sought to overthrow elsewhere...at home....
just who do these guys buy there "stuff" off?..... the same people who foster their beligerance....perhaps?...
agents provocatuer? | |
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