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Posted: 3/28/2009 5:00:37 AM | I agree HuntingWolf,
That not all bikers are criminals. I know several that just enjoy the brotherhood and riding their bikes. But as you stated there are those who have different agendas. They are the ones that give all bikers a bad rep, along with the media sensationalism that feeds societies fears of bikers.
As for the public bashing death of a assumed member of a bikers club, i ask..Where were the security and the federal police...In this day and age of terrorism they were suspicously vacant at that time. Usually you only have to look side ways or look different for about a dozen officers too appear and drag you off....
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Posted: 3/28/2009 3:16:38 PM | yer I never understood that about security... great bloody help they were.
I understand that if i saw a bunch of big bikers have n a bloody brawl I would be reluctant to jump in and do my job, but it is their job.
But after "the chasers" showed how tight the super duper APEC summit security was, how can we expect airport security to be any tighter.
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Posted: 3/28/2009 9:23:23 PM | | It's the mystic about bike gangs that make them scary. One bad egg and the rest get branded the same. It would be like calling all footballers, womanising, adultry, raping, druggies because of cousins, fevola, and wayne carey. Would that be fair? | |
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Posted: 3/29/2009 5:17:05 AM | Oh my god, The media have alot to be responsible for.........
Bike clubs can't be involved in organised crime un;ess they are involved with other organised criminals such as Politicions, Police departments and other high ranking white collar criminals.
Its called organised crime because its organized and run by highly intelligent people.
Organised crime started in the 14th cenutary with the magna carta and serious crimes and illegal dealings have been going on since Roman days.
Clubs have been around for less than half a centuary and you now expect us to believe that they are responsible for the evils of this society, but then you contradict yourself by saying these highly intelligent organised individuals would surprise you if they sat behind a computor and actually understand and know how to use a computor, using a computor is no where near as complicated as some of the things they are allegedly suspected of doing
Further you insult them by suggesting that they would use this site as part of their intelligence operation.
Just because some fool dated another fool and felt it best to leave town as a result, doesn't indicate this site being used as a form of covert communications intelligence for highly organised criminal activity by bike club members.
The media has found a new meal ticket by publcising gangs and clubs, its no different to any other crap spewed out by the media, the problem is dim wits who believe everything they see and hear.
The media exploits and misrepresents everything and is a tool of propoganda to the average western fool who chooses to be brainwashed.
If you think that banning bike clubs would minimise organised crime and the drug trade or prostitution or any other form of society ill, then your really being stupid.
You would be suggesting that crime has only been present on this planet for less than a hundred years at that is absolute nonsense.
I have no opinion on bike clubs at all, I have a strong opinion on the corruption and crime of our governments and politicions and the media having controll over the general population such as yourself.
Take a deeper look into history and the facts before discriminating against any group of people.
You cant beleive they are responsible for such highly intelligent and organised dealings and yet not smart enough to use a computor or have a better form of covert communciations
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Posted: 3/29/2009 5:36:03 AM | if the US had looked after their Vets after ww2 then some wouldn't have grouped together ,..... gravitated to bikes and looked after themselves in an out law fashion...( with james dean,brando,movies later) etc...
the commradery of the services, a brotherhood yearned..... the bikes themselves..
their sacrifice during the war.. delivered the same oppressors they sought to overthrow elsewhere...at home....
just who do these guys buy there "stuff" off?..... the same people who foster their beligerance....perhaps?...
agents provocatuer? | |
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Posted: 3/29/2009 6:55:12 AM | The media are creating unpaid celebrities with all this nonsense on gang wars and bike clubs, everyone is talking about them, people are big noting themselves that they know members etc etc etc. More and more people are starting to form their own clubs and want to imitate them, except for the outlaw part of course.
The fact is the population has blown out of controll their is an increase in everything, because there are more people.
With this much media attention about their alleged activities they must be fed up, and as for all the wannabees who make out they are in the know and have connections , it must be really embarrassing for them.......
It is no fun being a celebrity unless your getting paid top dollar......
Considering our population ,their really are not that many full patch members in the first place, there are more hangers on than actual club members.
The media is saying clubs now have a stronghold on organised crime, sounds like someone at the top doesnt want to share control or profits from the alleged criminal activity.
Also the further media reports and radio warnings that charities should not accept donations from clubs is ridiculous, politicions are always accepting dirty money for their own selfish causes and now charities for the needy are supposed to say NO
The media are realy hounding the community looking for something to happen so they can report on it, and they are not really coming up with very much at all, at the moment any time something happens the media can now report it as club war and club involvement, even if its not related.
The population love it and it sells advertising and makes money and the fact is the media is making more money out of organised crime than organised crime.........
At the moment clubs are being exploited for profit.........
We are really going from Australias next top Model, to Australias Next top criminal
Its just a passing fad,
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Posted: 3/29/2009 9:39:19 PM | Huntingwulf had it right a few days ago.
Forget your stereotypical impression of a bikie in this new bikie gang wars as the big tough white guy with a beard, listening to hard rock and roll while drinking beer.
These old guys have been effectively kicked out of the gangs in the last few years by the new breed... 17 year old lebanese kids who drive hot cars and listen to rap while wearing bling. Who's main interest is making drug money.
Probably doesnt own a motorbike.
This article spells it out...
http://www.canberratimes.com.au/news/national/national/general/secret-mens-business/1472037.aspx | |
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Posted: 3/29/2009 10:14:10 PM | I fail to see how a "War on Bikers" can actually operate. They are citizens, and can wear whatever clothes they wish, transport themselves how they wish, and are free to live their own lives, if they agree not to break the law.
This "War on Bikers" is just a stunt to make the current N.S.W govt. look decisive. | |
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Posted: 3/29/2009 10:31:37 PM | >I fail to see how a "War on Bikers" can actually operate.
It can operate under laws currently in existence. There are numerous laws relating to violence, firearms, drugs etc... that the police can already use.
The new laws are different. Because it is impossible to define 'outlaw bikie gang' in legislation, the new laws are that you can be arrested if you are associated (not 'member of') with a 'proscribed organisation'.
What is a 'proscribed organisation'? Its whatever the government says it is. | |
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Posted: 3/30/2009 2:13:46 AM | I fail to see how a "War on Bikers" can actually operate.
Well for a start, they made Hilly let the postie out of her garage and give his bike back to him. I think we can all feel a lot safer now.
Message 51, long time between drinks for you round here. Welcome back! :) | |
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Posted: 3/30/2009 6:29:25 AM | dogs, cats and mice.... stay with me...
if the cats are gone the mice will take over your house... whether you have a dog or not...
dogs and cats sort out their own boundaries and 0ften co-exist... for some mutual benefit.. a masters love and food and continued safe abode...territory...
no such grace for mice.... "the plebs"... everyones food from the top down......
now, cats can control the persistant mice for the most part... dog are hopeless at the task. usually.... and machine traps are hit and miss to a smart mouse...
maybe the numbers of cats and dogs are "facing off" at the moment... as they do...
if we are left with just dogs and mice there will be a mice plague...
though I must say, it was quiet in our one pub town over the weekend...with the "cats" in canberra... | |
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Posted: 3/31/2009 2:09:08 AM | Reply to MSG 54&56
"Bike clubs can't be involved in organised crime un;ess they are involved with other organised criminals such as Politicions, Police departments and other high ranking white collar criminals."
"Its called organised crime because its organized and run by highly intelligent people".
I agree that some invovlement by the certain members of the police departments and other white collar professionals give some biker club members a bit of a soft ride and another avenue to perpetuate their criminal activities.
Bikers have been blamed for all the things that have gone wrong with society. They refused to conform to what was required as regular upstanding members of society are meant to look and act like. They were an easy target.
I dont condone the bashings and the killings that are reported. Because of the media, it is on our doorstep everday so we dont have much of a choice, we are forced into an opinion.
Criminal activities have been occuring since the dawn of time. Depending if you are a creationalist or a evolutionist you can find it there, everywhere.
But to think that the biker clubs have not the intellect to be "organised crime" is the reason why they have been under the radar for so long. Sonny Barger ( Godfather of the Hells Angels), Stated far back as 1974, that the future of the biker faternity was to infiltrate the white collar jobs. That is what has been happening. Most bikers club members hold down regular jobs and look like ordinary people, the diffence is the way we view them.
P.S Thanks for the welcome back NAAMAH.
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Posted: 3/31/2009 4:38:35 AM | I am not stating in any way that clubs aren't intelligent and dont have the intellect , Its all gotten of track.
I originally stated they are in fact more intelligent than the original poster made it sound
You would have to understand the way it was in the 60's both here and in the states with regard to level of corruption and the tactics by the so called police forces against ordinary citizens including clubs and its members to understand why this has all evolved the way it has.
It was pretty low down and dirty and it has evolved to what it is today with no one reall;y knowing exactly why.....
Sony Barger merely made the announcement that it's coming straight back at you to the so called white society.
Its all about money and power..
The big pitcure is the oppressed are rising and using the same tactics the oppressors used.
All through history men have been oppressed and a distinction in classes, lower class working class, white collar, upper class and so on....
Its always been and I say good on those who have the establishment threatened
It has always been one law for some and a different one for others.........
I would like to see exactly what Sonny Barger promised, and see the population rise against the unfairness and imbalance in this society and protest the corruption that exsists.
Clubs dress was originally a protest against the white collar world, they didnt want to be apart of it.
Clubs have never been under the radar, this has been going on before the 70's, Its just the media never got hold of it before and was never encouraged to run with it all the way they are now......
Its alot quieter out there now than it used to be
The rise of the clubs has achieved alot for all of us their has been reform and investigation and enquiry,even if only as a token gesture for the crimes of the past and we now enjoy a less corrupt police force and government than previously
It is still not good enough and more has to be done, outlawing clubs and the laws they intend to bring in will make us all powereless in the future and NONE of us need for things to go back to the way they once were.
Crime will not cease to exsist it will simply be controlled once again by the powers that be, and it will be people getting beaten and murdered by the so called law enforcers and governers as it was in the past. The media wont be showing that
The truth is that I beleive that who ever has the power will abuse it if they stand without opposition. | |
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Posted: 3/31/2009 6:28:43 AM | You wont supposed to tell everyone, Now their will be swat teams and camera crews hiding at all the major intersections just in case leaving his foot on the peg is some sort of covert communication to his under covermate in the BMW wearing a suit,
Its all out now | |
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Posted: 3/31/2009 10:30:50 PM | I truly suspect that Sonny Barger may have been CIA if not influenced accordingly, and the truth about Meth Amphetimine is what concocted by the US nilitary in the 60's for use in army operations.
An incident in Canada where a young boy was killed during a supposed bombing I am not completely sure on that fact, was blamed on two clubs waring over territory, the truth is neither club were responsible for that incident
The powers that be will go to any lengths to get public suppport to the pass the laws they want passed and are using this means to do it.
those are meant for days that are yet to come and it will be us meeting together to try and deal with what is going on around us, they are just getting early......
I don't support actual club life or club members its not me, but my social and political views based on my knowledge expereince, support the concept of what they represent now and in the future..... | |
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Posted: 3/31/2009 10:37:43 PM | | i say leave the poor buggers alone and let them be...... | |
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Posted: 4/1/2009 1:37:33 AM | I'm a big believer in the right of association. To be or not to be a member of any organisation is the civil right of all australians. Whether it's a biker club, footy club or a union.
I do agree that there are secret agendas behind most organisations and some are not nice. They are the ones that can influence laws and the law makers. They are the ones to fear.
Live to Ride --Ride to Live. Its all about freedom, freedom of choice.
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Posted: 4/1/2009 2:58:34 AM | | Let god sort em out..., or the other fella...., or not. | |
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Posted: 4/1/2009 4:10:56 AM | .. days yet to come.. indeed.
it seems we are being put on a war footing by stealth...
what isn't there a war on?... you name it , there's a war on it.... even dietary issues are wars,,,,and lifestyle issues..poverty... there's even wars on wars,,, as well as real wars... the politicians and media have been getting us used to the terminology lately..
and laws once in place they are harder to repeal.....
too late to alter them or protest.. when your club is banned for some reason of national security?... bowls could be an assault weapon,eh?.. the club bar a place of consorting,public land issues,, etc.. we don't want angry bowlers outside parliment..... gas em... get out the tazers... it's in the new rules...
the catholic church can still conduct an inquisition under a favourable government or army... those laws are still on the books...
haven't we got enough laws already to deal with crime?....
or are they making up new crimes with laws to fit?... until everyone will be guilty of something?.... to what ends?
it's all happened before... the 30's/40's was a good example... of how public safety/national security edicts were used against ordinary people of the state once in place....
we know how that ended up... the politics of today are heading down a similar (fascist)path at the big end of town........ and out of the aussie media...
is this wheeled witch burning?. .... | |
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