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| Religion - The universe is NOT 6,000 years old.
Posted: 1/20/2009 2:53:48 PM | So...let's see if I got this straight...on one hand, gawd doesn't WANT or CHOOSES not to give me his "gift" of faith which (apparently) would make me believe in him (really? faith = belief?), which would mean that I'm "saved" or at least have a fighting chance at being saved.
Oldsoul, I could have chosen any number of your paragraphs and for me they embellish my thinking; they always have done, you are a reflection in many ways.
I have been gone a long time on here (or at least it feels like it) but when I think on the deepest thoughts, like how old is the universe... can it be even be answered with any degree of certainty? Something happens I cannot explain, to some it is just a jumble of words but I will offer this:
Uni-verses
The drawing of a day:
night folds in on itself
like a door against the light
or hiding pain from the spite
As I gravitate to you
feel the pull and start to swing
smoke curling round a mountain
a wisp, lighter than air
Glide with me on table high
freeze all thoughts of verity
melt snowcaps with ardour
place meaning in its worth
How to fathom the depths
quantify mechanism
search the un-searchable
of love’s equilibrium
Worlds meet and are one
held together in symmetry
absorbing meteor blows
deflecting their vexation
For when the time comes
to tether in our hearts
let the beast of love free
a cosmic rhythm starts
© Tony Downing 2001
The universe is as old or young as we are, nothing else matters. :) | |
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| Religion - The universe is NOT 6,000 years old.
Posted: 2/6/2009 9:26:11 PM | | I don't think it is necessary to prove the universe is more than 6,000 years old in order to maintain one's faith. The scientific evidence seems to be strongly consistent with a universe that is about 13.7 billion years old, and the Earth is 4.6 billion years old. There is no need to place a limit on the omnipotent power and freedom of God to choose to create and order the universe in whatever way it was done, including from a big bang event and a gradual unfolding of the cosmos according to natural scientific laws. | |
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| Religion - The universe is NOT 6,000 years old.
Posted: 2/6/2009 11:40:04 PM | ^^
Two posts since 1/18, and someone around here will still accuse me of trying to dominate or hijack the thread. Based on something I said tonite, it might be one of my last posts. How many pathetic attacks can you take before you respond with a little repayment? Wish me luck.
I don't think it is necessary to prove the universe is more than 6,000 years old in order to maintain one's faith. . I think you mean exactly, not more, but many understand the sentiment. I know of spiritual forces, and natural forces, and I reconcile those withe the wise words in the Bible. Faith in those will not leave me even if they can actually prove that God didn't write the Bible, and Noah's boat didn't float.
It could even take a Mel Brooks twist and find the "fifteen commandments."
I have learned to see the Bible as a field of wheat. Somebody threw in a few tares and Jesus said you could remove them when you harvest. | |
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| Religion - The universe is NOT 6,000 years old.
Posted: 10/31/2009 12:17:56 PM | | hi... the earth has been inhabited by man for 6000 yrs, the universe was in existence b4 that... the bible only dates man and says that the world was void and without form so for arguement sake the world in its void form is not dated in scripture... blessings | |
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| Religion - The universe is NOT 6,000 years old.
Posted: 11/5/2009 5:25:29 AM | Yes, I agree, the universe is not 6000 years old, it must be said that Genesis 1:1 starts with a planet and sea, of unspecified age. Then is an era of regeneration, and then is Adam formed.
Faith and science need not conflict. There is a need to be open minded.
I think the Earth is 4 billion years old. With a violent history. | |
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| Religion - The universe is NOT 6,000 years old.
Posted: 11/5/2009 5:32:37 AM | "the earth has been inhabited by man for 6000 yrs"
If you believe man has only been on the earth for 6000 years, you have your blinders on. That is the way religion works, keeps the blinders in place. That is why those of us with a mind and that are able to look at facts and question ideas, truely hate religion. It slows mans understanding of what is real. | |
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| Religion - The universe is NOT 6,000 years old.
Posted: 11/6/2009 9:10:53 AM | RE Msg: 31 by freetime2bme:
If you believe man has only been on the earth for 6000 years, you have your blinders on. That is the way religion works, keeps the blinders in place. That is why those of us with a mind and that are able to look at facts and question ideas, truely hate religion. It slows mans understanding of what is real. I've known a lot of hateful people. But they have consistently shown that not only did they hate things like religion, but equally had innate hatred of others who were non-religious, and were polite and respectful to all, but simply did things differently to them, and would only not describe hating those people who fulfilled their personal desires. It is thus my view that hate is born out of intolerance, and a desire to control others.
Those who wish to benefit humanity, however, understand that to help others grow, one must understand them, and truly empathise with others, to such an extent, that they would say that had they grown up with slightly different experiences, they would embrace the views of others, and would still give them equal respect to their own views. You cannot make someone change their mind, by forcing them, for all that does, is just make them angry that you are trying to control them. All that you can do is to respect all, and be a shining example of peace and happiness. | |
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| Religion - The universe is NOT 6,000 years old.
Posted: 11/7/2009 4:07:31 PM | ^^^ I really loved your post, I could not add anything to your response
..on another note scorpiomover I wish/pray with all of my heart that you would google Patriarchs and Prophets by Ellen G White... I have this thought this many many times .... blessings | |
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| Religion - The universe is NOT 6,000 years old.
Posted: 11/7/2009 5:36:57 PM | | Csonka, I agree with your estimation. I although do not think Adam was the 1st human. I believe he was the 1st to be made into the image of God as Adam received the breath of life. | |
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