| being gay - genetic or social
Posted: 1/7/2009 8:36:08 PM | The answer is BOTH.
For some it's a choice, (like Lindsey Lohan, who was most certainly straight until her last b/f peeved her off by calling her a fire-crotch skank on national tv at Paris Hilton's Bequest...which led to Lindsey eschewing males because they kept screwing her over after they screwed her) and girls who are "Lesbian For College" because they don't want to get knocked up before getting their degree and a career. Those are choices.
For others, like Perez Hilton & Melissa Etheridge, obviously are born gay.
Does it really matter? Nope, because either way, we end up with Flaming types who annoy the heck out of everyone because they try to act more feminine than bleach-blonde cheerleaders on speed.
The question needs to be...is ACTING like a flamer social or genetic?
The answer to that...SOCIAL!!
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| being gay - genetic or social
Posted: 1/8/2009 6:27:53 PM | Genetic. People are born with their sexual orientation. From early childhood Iknew I liked looking at men thus I was born heterosexual. So it would stand to reason that gay folks are born that way. | |
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| being gay - genetic or social
Posted: 1/9/2009 8:36:54 AM | I would bet that the united states has the highest density of homosexuals in the world taking population into account, Man and woman can be anthing they put there mind to :)  | |
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| being gay - genetic or social
Posted: 1/9/2009 9:04:55 AM | I don't think anyone can prove either way until a gay gene us found.
I have no idea, but I lean towards the recessive gene theory.
In a case of a bisexual person - it is MORE of a choice.
Bi can choose to date a guy or a girl.
Falling in love is usually less negotiable.
:-/
If it is learned, then why are some children raised by gays straight and how do straight parents end up with gay kids?
If homosexuality is genetic, then it must be a recessive gene.
Why?
Two GAY men or women CANNOT produce offspring. Therefore CANNOT pass on the genes. There MUST be HETERO act involved.
Gays certainly couldn't procreate it in the first (however many) centuries human race existed prior to invention of in-vitro. Gay gene would simply go "poof" and disappeared somewhere along the way.
Learned?
I doubt any straight guy watching homo porn would suddenly desire to french a hairy dude instead of a woman, just like watching straight porn won't "straighten" the homosexual. | |
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| being gay - genetic or social
Posted: 1/10/2009 8:37:57 AM |
If homosexuality is genetic, then it must be a recessive gene.
Most researchers now think that there is no single gene that controls whether a person is homosexual or not. Rather, it's the influence of multiple genes, combined with environmental influences, which ultimately determine whether a person is gay.
A predominant theory is that most factoring for homosexualtiy is probably an X chromosome characteristic.
Even though women have two X chromosomes, only one is functional because the other is inactivated through a process called "methylation."
"It gets wrapped up in a ball and is not used with the exception of a few genes," explained study leader Sven Bocklandt of the University of California, Los Angeles.
If one of the females' X chromosomes is not turned off, then there is too much genetic material, which can lead to a harmful overabundance of proteins. Down syndrome, for example, results from the presence of an extra copy of chromosome 21.
Normally, X chromosome inactivation occurs at random: half of the cells in a woman's body will have one X chromosome inactivated, while the other half inactivates the other chromosome.
However, when the researchers in the current study examined cells from the 42 mothers who had at least two gay sons, they found that about a quarter of the women in this group showed something different.
"Every single cell that we looked at in these women inactivated the same X chromosome," Bocklandt told LiveScience. "That's highly unusual."
In contrast, only 4 percent of mothers with no gay sons and 13 percent of those with just one gay son showed this type of extreme skewing.
Bocklandt thinks this suggest that a mother's X chromosomes partly influences whether her son is gay or not.
"We think that there are one or more genes on the X chromosome that have an effect on the sexual orientation of the sons of these mothers, as well as an effect on the cells we were looking at," Bocklandt said.
Cited here:
http://www.livescience.com/health/060224_gay_genes.html | |
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| being gay - genetic or social
Posted: 1/10/2009 9:38:46 AM | ^^^^What a lovely homophobic rant.
I could only stand to read enough to capture that nutjub Henry Makow was at the centre of it. Not quite sure why you feel the need to bring feminists and pedophiles into your rant either. Too bad nobody will read it since you don't believe in breaking text into paragraphs.
But here's something Henry Makow also believes in:
Mr. Makow, ...............bragged in class about beating a woman.
In another incident, Mr. Makow was accused by several students of pointedly asking a young woman about the night she lost her innocence, humiliating her.
According to Mr. Makow's critics, he made fun of devout Jews and Muslims for the way they dress.
So says the National Post, cited here:
http://www.fact.on.ca/news/news0205/np02051b.htm
You're in good company Chainsaw........ | |
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| being gay - genetic or social
Posted: 1/10/2009 11:12:57 AM | Really, people who choose names like 'chainsaw' or 'killer' or anything else creepy and violent aren't really advertising themselves as balanced, fair, altruistic humans so these rants are hardly a surprise.
The entire content of both your posts = great steaming piles of horse crap but it'd take hours to refute all the bogus claims. However, I love posts like this because they let you know the true nature of the writer and therefore who to avoid. | |
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| being gay - genetic or social
Posted: 1/10/2009 2:22:15 PM | If people can fall in love with inanimate objects, people can fall in love with anything and anyone. Narcissus fell in love with his reflection--okay, that's Greek mythology, but you get my drift, eh?  | |
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Posted: 1/10/2009 7:37:37 PM | Mackow? Sounds more like mad cow What a sick jerk!
Or should I call him Wackow?
You know something, I bet he was bullied constantly when he was a kid because of his weird name. So he now bullies against gay people. Makes perfect sense to me!! | |
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| being gay - genetic or social
Posted: 1/10/2009 9:12:58 PM |
So he now bullies against gay people
But don't forget the feminists! It's all about the dayum feminists! Feminists are the reason that women are no longer wearing whale-bone corsets! In fact, blame them for all conspiracies. After all, they wear jeans, which can only mean that they have "Gender Identity Disorder."
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=8444
But on the rare occasion you can't flame the feminists or the gays for all the social problems in the world, you can blame the illuminati, satanists, the zionist conspiracy, Jewish bankers, freemasons, or the Rothschilds, etc., etc.
Mainstream Canada and the US ignore him, as he's an agent of disinformation. He doesn't realize what century he lives in, so his ride in the time machine is always a bumpy one. It would be one thing if he was calling for equal respect for both genders, but he's calling for a male-dominated society. I don't see a difference between the "improvements" he calls for and the "problems" that he is trying to solve, the only difference is who's on top.
Tootles....... | |
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| being gay - genetic or social
Posted: 1/11/2009 3:57:51 PM | The DSM-IV, the manual of mental disorders, no longer classifies homosexuality as a mental illness. Personally, I'm not sure if I believe it is genetic or a choice or a combination of genetics and choice. I don't like the idea of determinism, it opens too many doors for problems. But I don't have a problem with it being a choice -- one that should be respected.
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| being gay - genetic or social
Posted: 1/12/2009 3:57:15 PM | Hi David,
Thank you for expressing your opinion in a polite and thoughtful way.
Well well well, we can see who has no sense of humor! Mackow's name is ripe for jokes And what he says is far from the truth. | |
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| being gay - genetic or social
Posted: 1/12/2009 8:12:28 PM | i believe that sexuality is mostly biologically caused. some people i've known have "gone gay" because of abuse but those that i've met have been in a great minority and from my interaction with them i often wonder if there aren't deeper issues. from the current research it seems most of human traits are from an interplay of genes and i believe that sexuality is no different. studies of yeast has shown that external environmental factors can also turn genes on/off. i think most people that say sexuality is a choice either use it as an excuse for their hatred/actions or lack of intellectual honesty to do some honest to goodness research.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/dec/01/homosexuality-genetics-usa
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biology_and_sexual_orientation | |
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| being gay - genetic or social
Posted: 1/13/2009 10:19:16 AM | | being gay is a choice in my opinion, if humans were meant to be gay there wouldn't be 2 genders. i also believe it's about the way you were raised as a child, there's alot of factors that could make one homosexual. but i still stand strong in my belief that it's a choice. and besides how the heck could you tell the difference between a gay baby and a straight one? it makes no sense to me. and not to mention i have no interest in doing research on homosexuality. | |
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| being gay - genetic or social
Posted: 1/13/2009 11:04:03 AM |
How come two people from the same gender can fall in love? Is it happen as a result of social development (environment, society etc.) or its genetic?
and..what difference does it make, really?
are you implying that if genetic, it is 'acceptable'?
but if not (conditioned) it is OK to hate/disrespect or be intolerant of homosexuality?
not sure where you're going here..what the "point" is of trying to determine this?
if genetic, try to 'screen' for it and abort those babies with this tendency? (eugenics of a sort)? | |
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| being gay - genetic or social
Posted: 1/13/2009 7:38:41 PM |
being gay is a choice in my opinion, if humans were meant to be gay there wouldn't be 2 genders. i also believe it's about the way you were raised as a child, there's alot of factors that could make one homosexual. but i still stand strong in my belief that it's a choice. and besides how the heck could you tell the difference between a gay baby and a straight one? it makes no sense to me. and not to mention i have no interest in doing research on homosexuality.
no, it's apparent that you make your decisions on truthiness rather than research and proved my point | |
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| being gay - genetic or social
Posted: 1/13/2009 8:31:14 PM | | i guess i was just raised differntly than you were. i'm pro-choice about alot of things, but i still don't feel it's morally right. | |
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| being gay - genetic or social
Posted: 1/16/2009 10:02:58 PM |
Homosexuals are conditioned to be homosexuals at an early age. There are books about those that chose to become straight again and reverse what they were conditioned as youth.
Oh, yeah? Which books are those? Are they published by one of those "ex-gay ministries" like Exodus International? I hear that's the biggest one!
Funny story: Michael Bussee, one of the founders of Exodus International, ran off with another male volunteer at the organization six years after its founding. They left their wives to be with each other. How do you think they felt?
John Paulk, the then-president of Exodus International, was removed in 2000 from his duties after he got caught flirting with men in a gay bar. I bet his wife and children were happy about the whole thing.
Colin Cook, the founder of Homosexuals Anonymous was kicked out of the organization in 1986 for engaging in sexual acts with his "patients."
There are many other examples.
If the *founders* of these organizations couldn't change, do you really think others can? You can prevent instances of sexual behaviour, sure. But damned if you can reverse sexual orientation. Not only are these ex-gay organizations engaged in a futile battle, but they are also causing untold amounts of psychological damage to the people these "patients" marry and to the children they may feel pressured into having. Not to mention the patients themselves!
These groups are universally cruel. | |
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| being gay - genetic or social
Posted: 1/16/2009 10:49:41 PM | More importantly...why does it matter what the reason is..genetic or social? Should people be free to choose as they are so inclined among other consenting adults?
But IMO...It's genetic..consider this:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13555604/
The data indicate that there is an increased observance of homosexuality in men with several older biological brothers (not adopted brothers).
"One possibility, he suggests, is a maternal immune response to succeeding male fetuses." | |
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| being gay - genetic or social
Posted: 1/17/2009 3:25:24 AM | | I specifically recall one experiment with animals that apparently showed that a specific sheep was gay. It was set up with 4 sheep being held in place by yokes around there necks in a circle. Then the "gay" sheep came out & had the choice to mate with whichever ones he wanted. In this particular experiment, he only mounted the males...seemed pretty conclusive to me. Also, haven't you seen the gay penguins? They even tried to hatch an egg, I believe. | |
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| being gay - genetic or social
Posted: 1/17/2009 8:23:44 AM |
i guess i was just raised differntly than you were. i'm pro-choice about alot of things, but i still don't feel it's morally right.
and how do you feel "morally" about murder, rape, robbery, theft, swindlers, child molesters, warmongers, con artists (like the Enron & Worldcom Boards of Directors and most of the management team), and much of Wall Street - the con artists who came up with "high-ratio mortgages" and will now swindle US taxpayers out of about US$ 700 billion, etc.
I would think that the 'moral outrage' applied to homosexuality should come pretty far down on your list. | |
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Posted: 1/17/2009 9:24:36 AM | | Its genetic sweety......joking a side i think at puberty mother nature plays a hand .......but even in the here and now i wouldnt want to be growing up with those issues ....as to whether its something that can develop over time i dont know.....each to their own i suppose ....but as a younger man i considered them to be sick.........gladly those views have gone and i accept people for who they are and not who their shagging .......... | |
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| being gay - genetic or social
Posted: 1/17/2009 8:46:19 PM |
There is no way to settle this question to most people's satisfaction..
Um. Yeah, there is. There's those crazy things called 'science' and 'fact'.
being gay is a choice in my opinion
See above. Your 'opinion' is worth zip in a world of fact and science. | |
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