| being gay - genetic or social
Posted: 1/19/2009 7:06:09 AM |
and how do you feel "morally" about murder, rape, robbery, theft, swindlers, child molesters, warmongers, con artists (like the Enron & Worldcom Boards of Directors and most of the management team), and much of Wall Street - the con artists who came up with "high-ratio mortgages" and will now swindle US taxpayers out of about US$ 700 billion, etc.
I would think that the 'moral outrage' applied to homosexuality should come pretty far down on your list. How about turning all the mentally ill out into the street back in the Eighties, or the birth defect caused by depleted uranium munitions in this "holy" war - google it.
This put the point on it, it's snipe hunt invented by politicians in collusion with religious con men to get you to vote for them and give them money, pure and simple, only they can "save" you from the evil of love between consenting adult human beings.
Since the godless liberals pulled them off the teat of state support, they need that money too, so don't forget to send that check, otherwise we'll all end up cheese eating, feminized girly boys in Birkenstocks.
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| being gay - genetic or social
Posted: 2/6/2009 10:59:31 PM | NEITHER.
Its NUTRITIONAL.
Okay. SOCIAL too.
But NUTRITIONAL first. SOCIAL aka EPIGENETICS (which includes ENVIRONMENTAL), will Influence GENDER every time. | |
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| being gay - genetic or social
Posted: 2/6/2009 11:26:52 PM | Hey Tantrik
If you're talking about epigenetics (gene expression) then you are talking genetics.
I agree that it is contributary, but there is much more to consider. Free Will (choice) plays it's part. | |
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| being gay - genetic or social
Posted: 2/7/2009 12:44:34 AM | | So many posts. are breeders trying to brainwash homosexuals. Mostly I see representations of straight people. Its pretty hard to find a good gay role model. ( so far I have heard on this post as examples of gay people, feminized men, masculinized woman, deviant, needing cures, defective, mentally ill, stigmatized, barren, child molestors, unhappy feminist, prisoners etc) Even a "choice to be gay" would be in the absence of a functional social structure to do so... Unlike heterosexuality with a strong social structure in support of its ideology and gender roles. LOL on the vagina monologues being a lesbian diatribe. OMG. I guess I am really obtuse cause I don't see it. But then I'm not recruiting or defending just experiencing. What causes neural responses? I guess at the most basic level is our receptors percieving stimuli. | |
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| being gay - genetic or social
Posted: 2/7/2009 6:54:03 AM | I thought that they already found the gay gene...? Isn't this argument kind of moot after that? Just like with the male and female norms, our biology/genetics decides who we are going to be attracted to.
Question, random, I know - why do Gay folks call straight people breeders, other than the obvious...? Isn't that just adding to the division between people, just as using derogatory terms for homosexuals? As well, if it weren't for 'breeders', there would be no homosexuals either... maybe I am just too nice, though :P?
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| being gay - genetic or social
Posted: 2/7/2009 6:58:51 AM | | All I know is that I didn't make a conscious choice to be heterosexual. From what I learned in a class I took in college, it is more genetic than environmental. | |
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| being gay - genetic or social
Posted: 2/7/2009 11:05:37 AM |
I thought that they already found the gay gene
Not yet - but, in a nutshell - our personality/behaviors/traits are expression of genes - science will certainly find something with a correlation.
All of our actions/emotions are traceable through genetics - our emotional expressions are neuro-chemical processes, if they are repeated enough times they become hardwired and therefore traceable.
So it would seem to be only a matter of time until a connection is found - does this mean that being gay is genetic? I believe the answer to this question lies in the function of the brain and genetics - in order for genetic expression to occur (beyond that of a hereditary templete from your parents) what is required is a specific neural-chemical response that activates specific gene sequences. What causes this specific neural-chemical response?
Well what initiates a neural-chemical response? | |
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| being gay - genetic or social
Posted: 2/8/2009 9:07:58 PM | | What initiates a neural-chemical response? I do not care. I do not care. I do not care. I am heterosexual but what does that mean? Heterosexuals also experience bi-sexual responses. And if you are gay, good. But after a certain point...lets stop discussing the whole shebang. Do your thing, be a thinking , vital and smart contributor to this strange mess called life and don't tell me about your sexual life. I do not care. lol. Oh sorry, I care if somebody attempts to intefere with your right to be gay, but otherwise jump on the human bandwagon and contribute intelligence rather than sexuality issues. Sexuality gets plain tiresome. | |
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| being gay - genetic or social
Posted: 2/8/2009 11:39:46 PM |
I do not care. I do not care. I do not care
For a moment there I thought you might go off on a Dr. Seuss tangent - I must admit that I was slightly disappointed that you didn't -
Anyway I agree with you that "I do not care" specifically about someones sexual persuasion and it isn't any of my business, but I do enjoy the psycho-neurological aspect and I am personally curious concerning when genetisist will find a "gay gene" and they will, but hopefully shortly afterward they will realize that what causes a gene to express a specific way is the exact thing that initiates a neural-chemical response and that will solve the tantalizing riddle of this thread.
Sexuality gets plain tiresome.
Yea, unless we're talking about experiencing our own personal sexuality and I haven't found that to be tiresome at all. | |
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| being gay - genetic or social
Posted: 2/9/2009 5:57:31 PM | | If being gay was a choice you could make, why would anybody put themselves through the hate, violence, harassment, etc. just to have relations with the same sex? It doesn't seem worth it to me unless it's just how your head is wired. | |
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| being gay - genetic or social
Posted: 2/9/2009 6:03:04 PM | Yes, we have a lesbian dog. YOu should see her in action. All she needs is a strap-on.
People say it's a domination trait she's displaying. It's still funny. Yes, there's plenty of that in the animal world. | |
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| being gay - genetic or social
Posted: 2/9/2009 6:20:11 PM | If science find a way to fix this then who knows there would be huge line ups in front of clinics....its about bringing them the option...but I don't think any body is working on this issue...and that is sad!
Actually... Science is fixing it... just in the way you may not expect. It's called sex-change.
I actually fell for a woman who I was told later was formerly a guy. And the science is so good now... you go, Really??? Daaamn! She's prettier and more sexy than MOST women.
Of course, in the end, so what if she was formerly a guy? She's still hot. Doesn't have the adam's apple, hips and all the "man-like" visual cues. She doesn't talk or move like a gay man. She just talks and acts... girl-like.
I guess it's just like being with a girl who was just sterile and can't give birth, is how I see it now.
Of course, she's the exception.
I'm still a guy so I wouldn't go out with someone who obviously still looks like a dude.
Here's a mind bender: Assuming both are attracted to you and want to be with you, bad:
Would you date a transgendered girl who is drop dead sexy (none of the usual "man-trait" cues) or would you date a real girl but is 500 pounds? haha. gotcha, eh?
Women can make the equivalent scenario...
But then, women seem to be far more forgiving of this than men.
I wonder why?
Most aggression on homosexuals are perpetrated by guys.
Is it ego? Is it just a trait drilled into us by some religious fascist dogma to treat different people with contempt?
Yesterday, it was Samaritans, Gentiles, Irishmen... Italians... Jews... Blacks... Latinos...
When you look at it, it's the same people peddling the hate once again. The same type of people who supported beating marchers in Alabama.
They hide behind their "moral code" or "religious teaching" as a reason to hate people.
Yes, you know who you are, you hater, you... :)
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| being gay - genetic or social
Posted: 2/9/2009 10:10:41 PM | there ya go .... now that is the gene to really find .... the hate gene.
the violence gene.
something that really needs to be fixed. | |
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| being gay - genetic or social
Posted: 2/10/2009 6:48:40 PM | transgender and homosexual aren't the same thing. Many poeple who are homosexual do not wish to change their gender.
And some people who change their gender are homosexual. | |
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| being gay - genetic or social
Posted: 2/10/2009 10:00:22 PM | The questionmarkless question exposes the answer: It is neither. Another example of how language is a double edged sword. It is capable of endless horizons and skys. It is also capable of sheering down a oncept in our human effort to put it in the square slot when it is a perfect circle to begin with.
An ancient spiritual knowledge is required to grasp the essence, life force, karma, energy, whatever, that is not the sproduct of an over socialized human's thirst for just needing to constantly ask questions. Such as what is this, and how ; and why. and what is that, and how, and why. Everthing born into this world was created at the instant of its conception. That is the coming together of an energy, or a soul, and an all too tender cell to concieve a mortal with their own sexuality that, unfortunately, will have to face the all to human and falable characteristic regarding whether something or someone is either this or that, because of this being here, or that having been there.
Thus, the only answer to this, and to other similar human questions is in fully knowing that "we are all spiritual beings having a human experience." | |
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| being gay - genetic or social
Posted: 2/11/2009 12:24:29 AM |
I believe that gay people just have a gay imagination and need to control there imagination better
Can you do me a favor and refrain from breeding. | |
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| being gay - genetic or social
Posted: 2/11/2009 7:15:35 AM | To the person to pointed out that Sexual Orientation (straightness, bi-ness, and gayness) are not the same as Gender Identity (internal feeling of maleness or femaleness) thank-you!
Most people are not even aware that there is such a thing as Gender Identity because they experience no dissonence between their physical bodies and their internal identity. | |
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| being gay - genetic or social
Posted: 2/11/2009 8:51:54 AM | My brother is gay and at least in his case things are pretty simple.
I want a night with Daisy Duke and he wants one with Bo or Luke...outside of that there's no difference. | |
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| being gay - genetic or social
Posted: 2/11/2009 5:20:22 PM | | They found the shyness gene. They would have foiund it sooner, but it was hiding behind a couple of other genes. | |
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| being gay - genetic or social
Posted: 2/11/2009 6:19:59 PM | | This is my opinion. I don't care what you think or how you view me. My foster brother was gay (he died from Pancreatitis back in 2006). The latest imperical evidence does show that it is at least in part, genetic. About three years ago, HBO had a program that dealt primarily with genetic sexual aberrations-namely, hermaphrodites, and people born without any genetalia whatsoever. However, they dedicated about ten minutes to a seven or eight year old boy who acted EXTREMELY effeminate. So, in my opinion, it IS genetic. | |
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Posted: 2/17/2009 1:00:22 AM | | I have called myself gay from the age of 13. I didn't stop fighting it till I was 22. I see gay and straight the same way now ,just a variant in the sexual attractions of people. Choice I do know never happens. We are attracted to people who makes us horny. pretty simple really | |
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Posted: 2/17/2009 2:51:12 AM | | I believe it's genetic and at times more socially acceptable in humans prior to religions that implanted the seed that it was wrong. I don't think gay people need to be cured although a society that fears differences so much it suggests it I think may need a little a therapy. | |
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| being gay - genetic or social
Posted: 2/27/2009 5:30:20 AM | I can't really argue for or against the genetic possibility of homosexuality, because there isn't enough research to support any conclusions at the moment. Speaking on a personal level, however, I think the matter of sexuality in general is a very big gray area. (this is, there could be multiple underlying factors and causes) I personally believe that bisexuality is the "natural" occurrence, any any sort of exclusivity is extremely rare.
This is my extrapolation based on various straight / LGBT people I've known, and general life experience:
Fluidity - can mean both total flexibility or preferential attraction to one sex, but one that does not imply a repulsion to the other sex. (i.e., "men-who-have-sex-with-men" just because it's incidentally available to them) This seems to be a major norm.
Bisexuality, preferential - attraction to both sexes, but with varying preference or bias. This could, for example, mean a male who considers females candidate for long-term emotional relationships, but also enjoys purely sexual relationships with other males. This seems to be a major norm, as well.
Heterosexuality, exclusive - exclusive attraction to the opposite sex, which implies a strong repulsion to the same sex. This seems to be somewhat of a minority.
Homosexuality, exclusive - exclusive attraction to the same sex, which implies a strong repulsion to the opposite sex. This is most definitely a minority. | |
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| being gay - genetic or social
Posted: 2/27/2009 7:47:23 AM |
which implies a strong repulsion to the same sex
Not necessarily. I'm not at all attracted to my own gender, but I'm not 'repulsed'. I'm just not interested at all.
Anyway, look up the Kinsey Report. The conclusion was that people at the extremes of exclusivity make up about 10% of the population. The other 80% lie along a continuum between the two. | |
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| being gay - genetic or social
Posted: 2/27/2009 1:22:07 PM | Just a note to the ignorant .... who call others ... breeders
maybe we should call you ... dead ends. | |
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