| being gay - genetic or social
Posted: 2/27/2009 11:20:27 PM | | All I know is that my mom's dogs are gay. They (try to) hump each other all the time. They're les-beagles. | |
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| being gay - genetic or social
Posted: 2/27/2009 11:29:30 PM | Hey I am a breeder and ignorant... I am so happy you thought I was a dead end. I am flattered. LOL. But cannot take credit for being a dead end, except in the ignorance department. I have not suffered through the trials and tribualtions that accompany the joy of expressing non normative sexual orientation.
Breeder isn't nearly as bad as some of the terms for homosexuals or homosexuality...it is simply a comment on functionality. As I suppose the comment dead end was supposed to be...
If the point "breeder" was intended to make in its original post fell upon deaf ears that is unfortunate. IF we take offense and ignore the message then so be it... considering some men refer to women as breeders, hetereosexual offense to being called breeders is duly noted. | |
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| being gay - genetic or social
Posted: 3/7/2009 11:39:09 AM | I find it odd that when people talk about the role genes play in behavior, it's usually framed as a "genes vs. environment" debate but when the issue is sexuality, it changes into something else like "genes vs. choice", or in this case "genes vs. social"
Wake up people! You're being propogandized. The debate, at least the reality-based debate, is about genes vs ENVIRONMENT. The environment includes a whole lot more than your choices and the culture you are born into. The environment includes factors like the pre-natal care and pre-natal environment (ex. presence and absence of hormones or nuerilogically toxic substances), and everything that happens once the child is born.
Aside from that, I have just two things to contribute
1) When the debate is "genes vs environment", the answer is usually "some of both"
2) When someone suggests sexuality is a choice, ask them when they chose to be a heterosexual and why? | |
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| being gay - genetic or social
Posted: 7/4/2009 8:04:49 PM | One of the best known psychiatrist in my area once explained that 60% of gays are genetic and born that way. The other 40% identified with the opposite sex during their first formative years. And, you cannot unwire that afterwards.
A dear friend of mine, who is gay, told me "bi" is more about sex. People who are adventurous and willing to go both ways. Some true gays that married will come home eventually. Gay men who marry, will fantasize or fool around. But if they meet Mr. Right, and fall in love, they leave the wife. Gay women marry as well. Most for societal conventions. Both, are the type that get headaches, or complain if the their partner asks for sex frequently. They are just not turned on by the opposite sex.
My stance is respect all. And they should have the right to marry. | |
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| being gay - genetic or social
Posted: 7/4/2009 11:25:16 PM | I'm just boggled that "genetic" or "social" are the only two choices.
Nobody considered "hormonal" or "dietary" or "birth order" or any of a dozen other quite reasonable possible causes? That it could be a mixture of any or all of the above?
All we can say for sure is that there are homosexual individuals in almost all mammalian species examined. To assume that humans are the only special ones that are supposed to be all heterosexual seems arrogant at best. Hubris, anyone? | |
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| being gay - genetic or social
Posted: 7/5/2009 1:46:37 AM |
I'm just boggled that "genetic" or "social" are the only two choices.
Nobody considered "hormonal" or "dietary" or "birth order" or any of a dozen other quite reasonable possible causes? That it could be a mixture of any or all of the above? That's a good point, although hormones in your diet have already been given as a reason for men becoming far more effeminate in this time.
All we can say for sure is that there are homosexual individuals in almost all mammalian species examined. To assume that humans are the only special ones that are supposed to be all heterosexual seems arrogant at best. Hubris, anyone? It's already been noted many, many times. But it is hubris to think that people only noticed something about animals, that anyone in an agricultural society would have observed thousands of times. | |
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| being gay - genetic or social
Posted: 7/5/2009 4:41:58 PM | There is a way of discussing sexuality that leads us to want to understand 'what's wrong'. Is it a genetic anomaly? Is it a mutation of somekind? Was there an unusual amount of XYZ present during gestation? Was the child molested when they were young? etc. It speaks of pathology, of a problem of somekind.
Homosexuals have made so many contributions to society that I believe that they are an inherant part of it. Even if this were the 'ideal world' and our food was pure, and the ozone layer was nice and thick, and people were respectful of all beings, especially the innocent, I still believe that we'd end up with between 5% and 10% percent of the population idenitifying as gay, bi, or asexual. The species is stronger with the presence of queers in general. Being queer (unusual) is not an insult. | |
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| being gay - genetic or social
Posted: 7/5/2009 4:52:21 PM | Now, what decides a person's sexual orientation?
Probably the same forces that decide a person's handedness, as other's have correctly pointed out, the same forces that have created everything else; genetics, environment, and social/cultural conditioning. | |
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| being gay - genetic or social
Posted: 7/5/2009 5:06:01 PM | | I think that it's genetic but it' seems that social conditioning can be so strong as to "turn a genetic gay person straight". I.E. identical twins where one is gay and onE is "straight" - if gay is genetic, then both must be gay because they share identical genetic material- one of the twins despite being gay has for social or by choice chosen to be be straight . This turns the common trope that one chooses to be gay on it's head. the real question is "why do so many genetic gay lead or choose to lead a straight life? and im not just talking about in the closet! these people lead totally "straight" life. | |
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