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 DAS 22-Fresh Dave

Joined: 8/28/2008
Msg: 26
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Posted: 12/22/2008 2:05:25 AM
Pumpkin~~you know me and words..just shows others ignorance to use 'adulterated' expressions they don't understand! To be labelling people as homophobic is just to sling some mud in the same way others ask that homosexuals are not labelled or abused..just accepted. 2 of my very best friends & a few others i get on great with are gay, i accept & love them for WHO they are, not what they are.
^^^^^ha ha sorry dear, love my english language^^^^^
 A_Cornucopia

Joined: 5/21/2007
Msg: 27
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Posted: 12/22/2008 2:17:52 AM
It's been said before - homosexuality has been around since the earliest writings and before. It also isn't unique to humankind, it happens in the animal world too: there was a story in the press last year about a farmer who had big problems with a gay ram that wouldn't inseminate his sheep, but other rams er, yup, he showed great interest in.

I think kids should be made aware of homosexuality at some point in their education, but at which point I'm not sure. Maybe the same point at which they're introduced to the concept of hermaphrodites.

What IS important is that they aren't misled by some of the sick 'popular culture' that labels gay people as pedophiles and child molesters, which they clearly are not.
 KarmaSuitsYa

Joined: 2/4/2007
Msg: 28
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Posted: 12/22/2008 2:32:19 AM

She then said that on Boyzone's new vid for their new single, all of the guys are paired up with a woman who they are singing to and caressing and Stephen Gately is paired up with a man doing the same.

Wait... you mean only one of them is gay?
 pumpkin16

Joined: 9/14/2008
Msg: 29
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Posted: 12/22/2008 2:44:59 AM
Hijo - that video clip is very interesting having been involved in some similar experiments using such equipment in Bristol many years ago (although these were regarding sexual agression and not homosexuality) I was doubtful initially about what it was going to reveal, but then I find myself convinced having watched it all.

I think the proof of the pudding for me is that fact that in the non-homophobic group there was no reaction. However, I wouldn't consider the homophobic group to have homosexual tendencies, but would rather accept the explanation that not yet having found comfort with your sexuality would leave them in a state of uncertainty and this brings about discomfort and fear.

^^^^^^^ the comment on when will gay people stop being killed in Iran, gay people are still being killed in Western society for being gay so I guess it will take many, many years.
 Netgeek34

Joined: 7/23/2004
Msg: 30
Homosexuality
Posted: 12/22/2008 3:25:47 AM

She didnt CHOOSE to be gay, would anyone?


Its almost laughable that there still people who believe otherwise.

Someone should ask them when/why they choose to be hetrosexual. What factors did they tale into account when making their "decision" and whether theyve ever had second thoughts.
 SJS

Joined: 4/3/2006
Msg: 31
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Posted: 12/22/2008 4:07:08 AM
SJS How dare you!! People like you disgust me! You go on about how others see sense..and come round to your way of thinking..that everyone should accept homosexuality as 'the norm' AND YET!! you cannot accept others with different views to you~~even going as far as to ABUSE others as "homophobic twattish peers" AND accusing a BOY who does not agree with you as suffering from the same problem he dislikes!! HE is allowed to feel as HE desires in much the same way you demand he feels this acceptable. To be Homophobic by the way is to be afraid of homosexuality and to dislike something or to disagree with something is not the same thing at all
Ha ha ha - steady on now, don't go having a coronary!
I am entitled to voice my opinion/s here, as are we all (within the rules of the site).
It is my opinion that homophobia is wrong.
And you're right about not accepting other views - I don't accept that it is right to either fear or hate homosexuals. At all.
And yes, I do think that everyone should accept homosexuality. It is the 'norm' if one is homosexual.
And I'll continue to speak out for equal rights and respect for all sexual orientations, just as the Womens Rights Movement spoke out for equal rights and respect for all genders.

If people didn't speak up and state what they felt to be right through the years, we would still be sending kids up chimneys, keeping women bare-foot and pregnant, and selling our fellow human beings.
That's how I 'dare'!
And your disgust doesn't bother me a jot.
 KarmaSuitsYa

Joined: 2/4/2007
Msg: 32
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Posted: 12/22/2008 4:12:59 AM
^^^^^^^

pwned!!!


To be Homophobic by the way is to be afraid of homosexuality and to dislike something or to disagree with something is not the same thing at all

Bigotry then?
 DAS 22-Fresh Dave

Joined: 8/28/2008
Msg: 33
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Posted: 12/22/2008 4:37:38 AM
SJS~~You entirely miss ALL points raised..staggering really! As i stated (and covered further on in thread) to dislike or disagree with something is not to be afraid of it at all, homophobia is an unhealthy fear of homosexuality not a disagreement of it. I have no hate of it & in no way condoned said hate. The law states that one cannot discriminate against anothers sexual orientation, not that one has to agree with it. You do speak up for what you feel is right by all means , which others can do too>You abuse others who wish to do so and accuse a BOY, as stated, who does not agree with you. THESE things i dare to have a coronary over~~nothing to do with either homosexuality OR speaking out for what's right. As i have also stated i love my gay friends but don't have to agree with their way of life, i respect them as people, they respect me for having my own opinions. My disgust is not a personality issue, just the way you go about things. As for your face being bovvered, that was not what i was trying to do..but, i can state my disgust at anything that goes on, (within the rules of the site) Love and learning..can't beat it.
^^^Karma~I am neither unreasonably prejudiced or intolerant of any person on the basis of their sexuality, note person, i can seperate the two totally different things. Can you?
 lalby

Joined: 12/5/2005
Msg: 34
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Posted: 12/22/2008 5:06:32 AM
Slightly worried here,just walked in my kitchen to find my 11 year old son camply dancing and singing to take that
 try1more

Joined: 12/16/2007
Msg: 35
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Posted: 12/22/2008 5:27:09 AM
"I am neither unreasonably prejudiced or intolerant of any person on the basis of their sexuality"

so it has nothing to do with sjs being female then?

why do people spend so much time and energy concentrating on the lives of others?
i cant believe they have their own lives so sorted that they have nothing better to do!

oh! and i have to say i think you're all a bunch of pratts. never mind nasa and their photoshoppers.
the world is flat i tell ya!
 Toby

Joined: 7/17/2006
Msg: 36
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Posted: 12/23/2008 10:06:35 AM
Lets all click on Das -22 make him feel homophobic :P

Seriously its a discussion thread and people should not be posting what seems like a personal attack on somone else.

I was under the impression that it was a genetic thing? I don't choose to be straight but I am.

 DAS 22-Fresh Dave

Joined: 8/28/2008
Msg: 37
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Posted: 12/23/2008 11:00:27 AM
Thanks Toby..come and click on me anytime big-boy lol, thankfully no-one has the ability to make me feel something i'm not, Johnny and i got a room (messaged) This thread has certainly got the juices flowing eh?
 zeegary

Joined: 9/25/2008
Msg: 38
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Posted: 12/23/2008 2:53:09 PM

There are some people who will not and cannot accept homosexuality as anything other than abnormal


That's because it isn't normal.

It's actually not that common, so the chances of bumping into a 'homosexual' are remote.

When one meets someone during the ordinary course of the day, one expects them to be hetero. That's what 'normal' means - "that which is expected".


Do people think this is a good thing and a good way forward that attitudes are obviously changing (they've changed considerably since my day) or do some think this is almost promoting homosexuality as something cool?


There is nothing 'cool' about homosexuality.
 KarmaSuitsYa

Joined: 2/4/2007
Msg: 39
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Posted: 12/23/2008 3:16:39 PM

That's because it isn't normal.

It is to gay people. If someone is gay then they aren't gay some of the time are they?


It's actually not that common, so the chances of bumping into a 'homosexual' are remote.

Unless you go to a gaybar

When one meets someone during the ordinary course of the day, one expects them to be hetero. That's what 'normal' means - "that which is expected".

Maybe you do... but the only thing I 'expect' is that they have a sexual preference of one sort or another.

There is nothing 'cool' about homosexuality.

Stephen Fry - nuff said.
 dahlingblah

Joined: 9/12/2008
Msg: 40
Homosexuality
Posted: 12/23/2008 3:18:41 PM
IM GAY AND PROUD TO BE GAY ..NOW GIVE US A KISS AND SHURRUP ^^^^^^
 zeegary

Joined: 9/25/2008
Msg: 41
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Posted: 12/23/2008 3:32:51 PM

Im a wee bit confused to what your definition of normal is!!


I'm not sure why - it's remarkably similar to the definition you provided, viz:

"conforming with or constituting an accepted standard, model, or pattern; esp., corresponding to the median or average of a large group in type, appearance, achievement, function, development, etc.; natural; usual; standard; regular."

Now, I realise that 'median' and 'average' are mathematical terms, but they are quite important in this context.

OED

Average: a usual or ordinary amount.

Median: denoting or relating to a value or quantitylying at the mid point of a frequency distribution of observed values or quantities, such that there is an equal probability of falling above or below it.

Therefore, neither the average not median man is homosexual.

There is nothing 'natural' about it when it is applied to the population.


dont get me wrong, there is some stigma attached.


Of course there is......but why is there?

Is it that many heteros view homosexuality as something gross?

Is it that most heterosexual males would never dream of letting another man fck him up the bottom?

Is it because most hetero women would never dream of licking another woman's moist bits?


but there here and here to stay, and they're just a big a part of society as anyone else................so step down de fcuk of your high horse and start accepting it.


I do accept that homosexuality exists........just like dog-poo and the Labour party - I don't have to be a fan of any of them!
 dahlingblah

Joined: 9/12/2008
Msg: 42
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Posted: 12/23/2008 3:33:25 PM
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 snazzycracker

Joined: 4/30/2008
Msg: 43
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Posted: 12/23/2008 3:37:29 PM
if i'm a homophobe for not agreeing with homosexuality,bi-sexualism or les-bienism then hey! i'm homophobic and proud of my right to object and disagree with the human races biggest abomination of the human design.
 KarmaSuitsYa

Joined: 2/4/2007
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Posted: 12/23/2008 3:43:36 PM

if i'm a homophobe for not agreeing with homosexuality,bi-sexualism or les-bienism then hey! i'm homophobic and proud of my right to object and disagree with the human races biggest abomination of the human design.

I take it you disagree with Angelina Jolie then?
 zeegary

Joined: 9/25/2008
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Posted: 12/23/2008 4:09:40 PM

Im pretty sure its because narrowed minded folk like your good self.


I wouldn't be sure it's down to narrow-mindedness on the part of us heteros.


cant adhere to the realisation, that men all over this little world of ours.......are fcuking each other up the bottoms.........and theres not a fcuken you can do about it....


As I said, I accept that homosexuality exists. I have merely pointed out that it isn't 'normal' in the correct sense of the word, and that I don't have to like the fact that it exists. I also have no problem with anal sex, as long as it isn't between two men.


its gonna evolve


In what way?
 zeegary

Joined: 9/25/2008
Msg: 46
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Posted: 12/23/2008 4:32:12 PM
MSG 55

Kindly don't mention my son on these forums.

The fact is that there is a stigma attached to homosexuality, with bloody good reason. It's like with any minority activity, especially where sexual activity is concerned. Those who don't like it will always view the limp-wristed brigade with distain, and there is nothing the little sweeties can do about it......apart from keeping out of the way.

I once started a thread on here about parents and homosexuality, and asked how many parents want their kids to be homosexual......despite all the posturing by 'enlightened' poseurs here, only two women responded that they wanted their offspring to be homosexual.

Funny, that.....

 Miss Grundy

Joined: 4/5/2008
Msg: 47
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Posted: 12/23/2008 4:37:21 PM
Where I live it is quite normal for people to be gay, it's also quite normal for people to suffer with cancer hereabouts, but seriously there are a lot of homosexual men and women around here - I bump into them quite frequently.

My 16 year old's opinion re homosexuality is that he doesn't have one but he does believe it is very normal to be bi-sexual...at least at his age he thinks it's normal to have sexual feelings for the same sex but not necessarily be a homosexual. When he says he doesn't have an opinion about homosexuality what he means is that he doesn't have any issue with it, sexuality is not something he judges a person on or even feels is his business.
 -LIL-

Joined: 2/3/2007
Msg: 48
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Posted: 12/23/2008 4:43:04 PM

I asked her why she thinks it's cool and she said, "well it's more realistic isn't it and it includes more people, a few years ago Stephen would have had to ponce about with a woman pretending he's straight, so it's good he can be who he is and be proud and happy."



My 16 year old's opinion re homosexuality is that he doesn't have one but he does believe it is very normal to be bi-sexual...at least at his age he thinks it's normal to have sexual feelings for the same sex but not necessarily be a homosexual. When he says he doesn't have an opinion about homosexuality what he means is that he doesn't have any issue with it, sexuality is not something he judges a person on or even feels is his business.


Out the mouths of babes - hopefully this generation will build a more tolerant world filled with peace harmony & love

If something doesn't harm people - what the hell does it matter???!!!
 zeegary

Joined: 9/25/2008
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Posted: 12/23/2008 4:45:48 PM

If you look back a few of my posts............i actually mention that id like my son to be gay......


Really?

I read all your posts here.....you stated that you wouldn't mind if he were gay, but at no point do you state that you'd want him to be gay.

Two different things.

This is why the thread was deleted....too many people not having the intelligence to differentiate between what I was asking and what they THOUGHT I was asking.


@MSG 60 I realise you have difficulty understanding your own posts, but is it just possible that your latest garbled nonsense was directed at MSG 56, and not MSG 55? It doesn't make sense, otherwise.

HTH
 princesspinkpixie

Joined: 4/3/2008
Msg: 50
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Posted: 12/23/2008 4:48:18 PM

Msg 55. Did it ever occur to you that most parents might not want their children to be homosexual because they know that they would have to go through life listening to opinions like yours?


MSG 55 wasnt a horrid opinion.Cailin was merely saying what MOST people think.

Are you sure you didnt mean MSG 56?

I could probably spend a pleasant hour, using your twisted logic, listing all the ways that you are abnormal. Nah! Some things are self evident and don't need twisted logic!


Cailin is one of the better forumites and she is far from abnormal.

I still think you mean MSG56,tell me i'm correct please..........
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