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Posted: 12/23/2008 4:49:05 PM | Zeegary - your opinions are your prerogative of course. I just find it a little sad that people like yourself can't accept the way others wish to express themselves when they aren't doing any harm to you or anyone else.
By your own definition, swingers are not normal and neither are threesomes. I bet you a pound to a piece of shit though that if two stunning swedish blondes [or whatever comparable 'ideal' of the perfect woman you have] wanted to drag you off to bed and have you all screw each other every which way to sunday, then what? They'd have to drag you kicking and screaming would they?
I don't feckin think so... do you?
And if such is the case - as I suspect it probably is, then you're a hypocrite who tries to justify an over emotional response to something you don't understand. But I bet you'd drop any protest at the drop of a hat if you're ever lucky enough to be put in the above situation. | |
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| Homosexuality
Posted: 12/23/2008 4:53:38 PM | John 21:20 & 24 disclose that the author of the fourth Gospel was “the disciple whom Jesus loved”. This was how the author referred to himself, along with “the other disciple, whom Jesus loved”, “the other disciple”
And what I wonder, does Mr P think hermaphrodites should get up to? Become Castratoes and sing in a church forever? Or priests and nuns? Methinks a recruitment drive is underway....... | |
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| Homosexuality
Posted: 12/23/2008 5:02:36 PM |
Zeegary - your opinions are your prerogative of course. I just find it a little sad that people like yourself can't accept the way others wish to express themselves when they aren't doing any harm to you or anyone else.
Read my posts again.....the ones which are written in plain English.
At no point do I state that I do not accept that homosexuality doesn't exist. I think I've stated it in two posts.
By your own definition, swingers are not normal and neither are threesomes.
Correct.
I bet you a pound to a piece of shit though that if two stunning swedish blondes [or whatever comparable 'ideal' of the perfect woman you have] wanted to drag you off to bed and have you all screw each other every which way to sunday, then what? They'd have to drag you kicking and screaming would they?
What has that got to do with my view on homosexuality? Such a scenario would be based on heterosexual sex, as far as I can tell.
My posts on this thread have been directed at those who consider homosexuality to be 'normal'. I have not commented on the content of the character of homosexuals, nor the colour of their skin, or even the car they may drive.
And if such is the case - as I suspect it probably is, then you're a hypocrite
Ah, but it isn't, so I'm not.
I still think you mean MSG56,tell me i'm correct please.........
From past experience, he can't read his own posts, so don't hold your breath. | |
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| Homosexuality
Posted: 12/23/2008 5:15:51 PM |
When one meets someone during the ordinary course of the day, one expects them to be hetero
Even in the lovely City we live  ? | |
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| Homosexuality
Posted: 12/23/2008 5:16:39 PM |
Read my posts again.....the ones which are written in plain English.
At no point do I state that I do not accept that homosexuality doesn't exist. I think I've stated it in two posts.
Lol... now I know you're either on a wind up or just full of shit. At no point ever did I state or even imply that you deny the existence of homosexuals. IF you can understand English yourself - then it shouldn't be tooooo difficult for you to understand the sentence...
that people like yourself can't accept the way others wish to express themselves
It's pretty f'king simple really.
What has that got to do with my view on homosexuality? Such a scenario would be based on heterosexual sex, as far as I can tell.
Sigh - you're determined to be obtuse aren't you? Again deliberately[?] misunderstanding PLAIN English. I said 'all' screw 'each other' - now that obviously includes the two girls getting down and dirty on each other also... or it would have been a pretty f'king poor example now wouldn't it? | |
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Posted: 12/23/2008 5:28:16 PM | @ Funky.....I don't live in Brighton, even though I love the place.
I spend as much time in Hove as I possibly can, although that won't be happening in 2009.
that people like yourself can't accept the way others wish to express themselves
I don't have any problem with that.......I just don't accept that homosexuality is 'normal'.
It's quite a simple viewpoint......shame that some aren't equipped to understand it.
Glad you admit that I was talking sense, too!
At no point did I state that you were talking sense....I'll let you know when it happens.
you're determined to be obtuse aren't you? Again deliberately[?] misunderstanding PLAIN English. I said 'all' screw 'each other' - now that obviously includes the two girls getting down and dirty on each other also... or it would have been a pretty f'king poor example now wouldn't it?
I understood the example perfectly, thank you.
The sex that I would be indulging in would be of a heterosexual nature.
The women would be indulging in homosexual sex with each other, which isn't normal.
I love watching women perform homosexual sex (check my video collection).......it still doesn't make it normal!
All this is entirely compatible with my earlier comments.
HTH | |
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| Homosexuality
Posted: 12/23/2008 5:34:00 PM |
@ Funky.....I don't live in Brighton, even though I love the place.
I apologise, for some reason I wrongly assumed you lived down this way | |
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| Homosexuality
Posted: 12/23/2008 5:43:48 PM |
I don't have any problem with that.......I just don't accept that homosexuality is 'normal'.
Are you trying to tell me that your entire argument is based on the premise that not everybody does it? [not read the whole thread... just the last page]
I suppose that's one definition of 'normal' - There are others that differ on the basis of the context in which they are used. I'm just off to bed so can't be bothered right now but you know I'm right.
As for the threesome thing - you have a point I suppose... shall we meet in the middle and call it a 'grey area'?
Right... I need some of this ... so I'm gonna do this | |
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| Homosexuality
Posted: 12/23/2008 6:19:52 PM | WELL IM STILL GAY GAY GAY GAY GAY GAY GAY ^^^^^^^^^ GIVE US A KISS KARMA ..MWAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH  | |
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| Homosexuality
Posted: 12/23/2008 7:07:11 PM | There are places on this earth where it is considered that there are more than two genders and that sexuality is more complex than the heterosexual norm we find comfortable, they have believed this and accepted this for thousands of years and it is no surprise that these places have not been tainted with preconceived ideas foisted on them for generations by a group of people who decided how we would be told to live our lives - leaders of various religions. Gay people have been around since time began and as stated that is hardly a surprise given that we are an animal and homosexuality exists in plenty of the remainder of the animal kingdom. How do we not know that being gay was perfectly acceptable and normal pre modern day religion and it's only a relatively modern thing to discriminate, mock and downgrade to second class citizen anyone who is gay?
Sometimes I wish that the world had more people in it who just accepted others for what they are and not what size, colour, gender, nationality, religion, sexual orientation etc etc they had. The world would indeed be a better place. Oh and where we could all come and go as we please would be another bonus. | |
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Posted: 12/24/2008 12:25:30 AM |
les-bienism
Isn't that a West End musical??
I dont like haters.
Sometimes I wish that the world had more people in it who just accepted others for what they are and not what size, colour, gender, nationality, religion, sexual orientation etc etc they had. The world would indeed be a better place. Oh and where we could all come and go as we please would be another bonus.
With you there babe.
I'm pleased i'm not narrow minded and can accept people regardless of their colour, sexuality, nationality and all those things you said. | |
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Posted: 12/24/2008 2:54:20 AM | once started a thread on here about parents and homosexuality, and asked how many parents want their kids to be homosexual......despite all the posturing by 'enlightened' poseurs here, only two women responded that they wanted their offspring to be homosexual............................... ffs Zeegary
I didnt want my daughter to be gay, that is a completely different issue. Why would I want her to be gay when there are bigots around like you who give her a hard time in every walk of life? She has had acid thrown over her car, friends ( I say that loosely) have been known to cross the road rather than speak to her ffs. You honestly think she CHOSE this way of life.??? It broke my heart when she came out, not because of her sexuality but because of the problems I knew she would face. She is my daughter whether she be straight, gay, bi-sexual or transgender. She is NORMAL in her eyes, its all she knows. Are disabled people not normal because they dont adhere to what society percieves normal to be???? FFs get a grip, this stinks of the hitler generation when they tried to breed the perfect "person" by gassing all the gays, disabled and mentally challenged . What do you suggest we do with those of us that dont fit the stereo type? | |
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Posted: 12/24/2008 2:58:13 AM | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^  ...im GAY im MENTAL im HANDICAPPED...ffs i darent have a shower for fear of being gassed !!! | |
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| Homosexuality
Posted: 12/24/2008 4:41:42 AM |
I just don't accept that homosexuality is 'normal'.
First we have to define and agree on what 'normal' is.
IMO, 'Normal' encompasses the whole of human nature and if this is agreeable then how can homomsexuality not be normal?
Personnally, I have a theory of what causes homosexuality but I'm not a scientist.....Just 'O' level biology & a bit of life experience.
Some argue that sexuality is determined by our genes but if that were the case then homosexuality would have probably evolved out of the human genome by now.
Although the sex of a fetus is determined by XX or XY chromosomes the sexuality is influenced by the amount of estrogen, progesterone, or testosterone circulating within the maternal environment.
These hormones need raw materials to be produced and have to be balanced just right so homosexuality might simply be determined by a mother not ingesting the right raw materials to match the sex of the baby with it's sexuality in later life.
IE. Too much testosterone produced by the mother whilst carrying a female would lead to a masculine sexuality......lesbian
Likewise, not enough androgens to cancel out the estrogen and progesterone being produced by its mother whist carrying a male would lead to a feminine sexuality.....homosexual............And all the levels in between.
So basically, you're not just what you eat.....You're what you're mother ate while preggers too 
So is it normal to be gay?..........Give me a £100million research grant & about 14 years & I'll tell you  | |
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| Homosexuality
Posted: 12/24/2008 9:06:17 AM | MSG 76 There is nothing bigotted about claiming that homosexuality isn't normal - it's simply stating a fact, so please be careful with the personal comments and accusations.
True, it might be normal to those involved with it, but given that (even on the most extreme studies) 10% of the population is homosexual, that means that 90% of it is hetero. That means that the 'norm' is for someone to be hetero.
It also isn't normal for someone to be disabled - if it were, then those of us who aren't disabled would be in the minority.
I'm not sure who has advocated the eradication of those who aren't perceived as being 'normal'.......I certainly haven't, although I do notice that some on here read things into my posts without being able to quote the relevant words.
Is it because I don't actually say what they think/hope I've said? | |
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Posted: 12/24/2008 11:33:59 AM | A bigot is a person who is intolerant of opinions, lifestyles or identities differing from his or her own, and bigotry is the corresponding attitude or mindset. Bigot is often used as a pejorative term to describe a person who is obstinately devoted to prejudices, especially when these views are either challenged, or proven to be false or not universally applicable or acceptable.
Argue with the oxford dictionary............
Disabled people arent normal? hmm I hope there are some on here that put you straight. Being in the majority doesnt make us " normal". If that is the case where does that leave the ethnic minorities............or are they also not normal because they are not the majority? | |
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Posted: 12/24/2008 11:55:51 AM |
A bigot is a person who is intolerant of opinions, lifestyles or identities differing from his or her own, and bigotry is the corresponding attitude or mindset. Bigot is often used as a pejorative term to describe a person who is obstinately devoted to prejudices, especially when these views are either challenged, or proven to be false or not universally applicable or acceptable.
Well, if someone can prove that homosexuality is 'normal'.......
Disabled people arent normal?
Who said that? I certainly didn't, but I did say that "Is it because I don't actually say what they think/hope I've said?"
I did say that it isn't normal to be disabled. It is quite normal for humans to be fully-functioning devices - otherwise, the normal state-of -affairs would be reversed.
Perhaps a quick check on the OED might help?
Being in the majority doesnt make us " normal".
Er, yes it does.
If a particular condition exists in a small percentage of a given group, then that condition can be described as being abnormal when viewed within the given group. One wouldn't normally expect to find Innuit people walking the streets of Pretoria. One wouldn't normally expect to find many wheelchairs parked at the foot of a mountain. It is quite possible to find examples of both, but that wouldn't make either event 'normal'.
The same logic can be applied to homosexuals. They form a small part of the world's population, so it isn't normal. | |
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Posted: 12/24/2008 1:32:33 PM |
A bigot is a person who is intolerant of opinions, lifestyles or identities differing from his or her own, and bigotry is the corresponding attitude or mindset. Bigot is often used as a pejorative term to describe a person who is obstinately devoted to prejudices, especially when these views are either challenged, or proven to be false or not universally applicable or acceptable
Surely, I could call you and any other person a bigot who disagrees with another regardless of:
1) Who that person is, and
2) What the topic is
If an individual has enough evidence to back up their views/beliefs/opinions/etc, then who is to say who is right and who is wrong? The fact that you are intolerant of his views makes you a bigot | |
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Posted: 12/24/2008 1:40:40 PM | Sorry (well no i'm not actually) but i think you will find that some people just get bloody sick to deal of others who seem (yep we can only make comment after viewing their forum posts as we dont know them in the real world) to be full of dislike, distain and hate even for anyone who is not white, anglo-saxon and heterosexual.
If that does not explain why a lot of people will find the views of certain posters as bigotted then i do not know what will.
I'm bowing out of this thread, all this talk of "normal" and the like isn't my cup of tea. I find it hard to think that just because someone is homosexual that they are some kind of freak.
Merry fvckin Christmas!!!
Goodwill to all men and all that eh? | |
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| Homosexuality
Posted: 12/24/2008 1:48:49 PM | Do you think tomorrow morning you lot will find a football and venture into no man's land only for boxing day to start up again.
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Posted: 12/24/2008 2:33:35 PM | The same logic can be applied to homosexuals. They form a small part of the world's population, so it isn't normal....?
As in Canadians, Fijians..French??..
Grow up you****.. | |
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Posted: 12/24/2008 4:22:38 PM | so what defines bigoted?
Is it a blanket disapproval of someones views and sexual leanings without any thought of listening and trying to understand their views.
Or is it a name we give someone who does not agree with the latest popular thinking?
it certainly seems the latter and reading through these posts its easy to see that bigoted views are present on all sides of the fence.
perhaps we all need to learn that one homosexuals opinion does not speak for all and neither does a single heretosexual voice the opinions for hetero sexuals. if we go back to the original post's comments my opinion is that we should not promote homosexuality to young people in their formative years just as we should not promote promiscuity or prejudices of anyone.
I know this causes indignation with some that say that its in your genes and you cant deny being Gay- probably many can't but some are persuaded to go that way who started out as heterosexual ( talk to any BA Stewardess). Do i dissaprove of homosexual behaviour?No but neither do I condone it. a friend who is gay tells me that for a happier life including children and grand children he wishes he was attracted to women. when he made his preferences known it devastated his parents and they still havent come to terms with it (5 years on)
so in essence live and let live but please dont make a cause out of someones personal preferences. | |
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| Homosexuality
Posted: 12/24/2008 4:35:52 PM | | Normal is such a boring, dull and lack lustre word. I'm not sure I want to be it. | |
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| Homosexuality
Posted: 12/24/2008 4:44:56 PM | I have several gay friends and I respect their orientation and their choice and I am happy for them for being able to live in a society where they are free to express their orientation.
On the other side I do not agree that the homosexuality in a society should be promoted.. | |
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| Homosexuality
Posted: 12/25/2008 6:02:56 AM | | How exactly would one go about "promoting homosexuality" and if one tried doing so would they be likely come across a lot of hetrosexuals whom they could persuade into thinking "hmmm I might give that a go" ????? | |
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