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| Manitoba to hike minimum wage to $9
Posted: 12/26/2008 8:26:46 AM |
Susan CD, I disagree about slashing taxes - I would prefer to see the taxation reviewed. In order to have the government services we have in this country it requres tax money. Now the complaint I have is the layers of taxes we pay. If everyone paid a flat tax on each dollar earned things would be fair, as everyone would be paying for the services provided by government that they have access and the priviledge of using.
Flat tax would be OK, but I wasn't talking about eliminating taxes, I meant eliminate government waste, which would allow them to lower taxes. Every time th efinance minister announces that they have a surplus, it isn't a surplus it's money we were over-taxed. Also, government is involved in areas it has no business being in, especially arts grants ( just so people don't think I'm big business, I'm also against corporate grants ( also known as corporate welfare) and sports grants). | |
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Posted: 12/26/2008 8:36:09 AM | It may not be easy or cheap to go to school, but if you have the resolve and desire to make it happen, it is worth it. While I am the first to state that most of the stuff I learned in University is irrelevant in my line of work (schools can't keep up with the pace of technology), the piece of paper is important. If you don't have it, you often don't get the interview.
80 grand is not tough to pay back when you find yourself making double that amount annually as a lawyer. | |
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| Manitoba to hike minimum wage to $9
Posted: 12/26/2008 9:37:27 AM | Start lining up snowballs.
I will add that minimum wage is not to be used as a wage to live off but as a suplemental wage either in a second job or for those who need a subsistance such as pensioners or students who are living at home. Minimum wage should be treated like welfare or unemployment in that it is a short term usage thingy by design.
Sounds like a subsidy for businesses to me.
If everyone paid a flat tax on each dollar earned things would be fair…..Other countries do this and it works great
Hey, I could see myself living in a country with a flat tax. Here is a list of them.
Bosnia and Herzegovina, Bulgaria, Albania, Czech Republic, Estonia, Georgia, Guernsey, Kazakhstan, Iraq, Jersey, Kyrgyzstan, Latvia, Lithuania, Macedonia, Mongolia, Montenegro, Mauritius, Romania, Russia, Serbia, Slovakia, Ukraine.
On second thought maybe I will pass.
IMO I believe that if all of the adult people (18 and up in this country) were paying taxes on income earned, consumption taxes could be reduced or eliminated.
Strangely enough, the reason we went to consumption taxes was that it was considered a fairer taxation method. (the GST, which was brought in to replace the manufacturing tax companies paid on their goods. Companies were suppose to reduce the price of their goods to make the switch revenue neutral but that seemed like an inconvenience to them. Instead they ended up with 7% more profit)
This of course would require the government to have a balanced budget and for some government political parties to not view the public purse as a bucket with no bottom.
Sorry Sue, it does not require the government to run a balanced budget. The Liberals ran a balanced budget for ten years without a flat tax, Conservatives decided that it was not prudent to have surpluses in good times so they cut taxes and spent the extra cash built up over the years. Now we are looking at deficits for the next few years.
A flat tax is of more help to people the more income they have. The people who get the least benefit is the poor. People with more income have a better chance of saving any reduction in tax. The US found this out recently trying to stimulate the economy by giving everyone some free money. Instead of spending it people saved it or paid down debts. It did not help the economy at all.
An increase in minimum wage (oh right, the thread topic) or a reduction in tax to the poorer end of society (like our progressive tax system) helps the economy more as these people do not really have the opportunity to save and any money that goes to them gets put right back into the economy.
auto industry forklift drivers earn $85,000. a year,
If they were so lucky. The costs given in the media for autoworkers give the total cost to the companies per worker. The big three have over a million retired worker’s pensions that they have to pay because they did not put any money aside and decided to pay the pensions out of regular income (car sales). Even if every worker only took home a dollar a day all the pensions still have to be paid.
To put it in perspective the big three have 1,000,000 retirees, while the foreign automakers in the US has 800 retirees.
One snowball left.
Every time the finance minister announces that they have a surplus, it isn't a surplus it's money we were over-taxed.
Yes it is. But the surpluses come in handy when the economy goes down and the government can then spend the money they overtaxed us on to keep the economy working lessening the size of the downturn. Sort of like us saving for a rainy day.
Otherwise the government has to borrow money with us having to pay interest on the money. Surpluses smoothes out the economic bumps and insulates the country from financial downturns from outside the country. Kind of wish we had some of that surplus money sitting around right now. | |
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| Manitoba to hike minimum wage to $9
Posted: 12/26/2008 9:42:39 AM | "A lot of people are facing the same problems. It's not as easy as you think it is to go to school."
Please dont take this as belittling your plight-I am not....however, anything that I have gained in my life that I am truly proud of, was never, never easy.
Minimum wage jobs were never intended to be the job that someone stays in long term...they are supposed to be for people just starting out, getting new experiences (you get what ya pay for mentallity), basically untrained.
I am not saying all these jobs require no training, I know some employers milk the min wage where they should not...but the majority of min wage jobs were never intended to be a career for people.
I am a believer that we live in a country where there is opportunity. That opportunity needs to meet preparedeness. If all the things required come together, you can make your dreams come true-but you have to be the driving factor. Be prepared to do it on your own. If help and chance comes by along the way to lend a hand, bonus... But be prepared to do it on your own.(goes for anything truly important to you) | |
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Posted: 12/27/2008 9:21:53 AM | Hollay ^^^^ why are the big three not held accountable for fraud....to use pension money for anything but pensions is a big old lie to the people who paid...perhaps Conrad Black needs some company
Goes to show you that the CEO's have been playing the rich and famous off the backs of the employee's...perhaps they are in training for a politician....
Is this the finger caught in the cookie jar...opppppppsy.nope the whole dang hand..no wonder they had a promoton saying drive it like you stole it....cuz they have been stealing from others so long...it slipped into advertizing department...
I think the min wage needs to be stabalized so stigma can recognize poverty without tripping over themself.....roar whatever.
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Posted: 12/27/2008 3:19:36 PM | Wpg Chick 84, I know that going to university is not a guarantee of getting a decent paying job. However, too many people do not research what it takes to get the job or the desired pay they are interested in getting. I have many friends who just went into university, got a BA and then expected to slide into a great job. Then the reality hit them and then it was a either a matter of going back for another degree, or going to RRCC or some other place. No one said it was or would be a walk in the park to get into a decent profession that pays well. If your goal was to get a low degree then why arent you going after it? If you need funding options do as many do and get student loans and then spend the first years in your profession paying them back. I think its about knowing what you truely want, then putting in the dedication, work, time, and going for it.
The payment plans I was speaking with were at places like Robertson College and others that offer programs with different standing, than university degrees. Maybe think about moving home or with relatives/friends if living on your own is not an option.
I never said it was easy, but we all know things that are worthwhile are usually worth the work, time and effort. So, once again this is all subjective and the ones who really want to get a degree or be successful and get they what out of life, find a way and go after that gold ring on the carrouselle. | |
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| Manitoba to hike minimum wage to $9
Posted: 12/27/2008 5:47:24 PM | Every time the finance minister announces that they have a surplus, it isn't a surplus it's money we were over-taxed.
Yes it is. But the surpluses come in handy when the economy goes down and the government can then spend the money they overtaxed us on to keep the economy working lessening the size of the downturn.
OK but let's have the government call it what it is, and not try to make it sound like they're so fiscally responsible that they "saved" all that surplus cash.
And if the economy is in a downturn, then the government ( federal, provincial and municipal) should suspend money for nonessential programs ( art grants, grants to professional sports franchises, etc). Especially art grants, those really tick me off. | |
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Posted: 12/29/2008 10:45:38 PM | The problem of enabling oneself to earn a decent wage isn't so simple. I don't think anyone's mentioned mentioned physical or mental health issues yet.
I have a friend who has a degree in mathematics. She was barely able to make it through the program because of previous health issues... then she got rear-ended in her car twice in a year, and her back is very messed up. Even going to the grocery store is an extremely painful ordeal for her. Autopac decided she wasn't getting much better with treatment, so they discontinued her benefits altogether. The workplace she had been at for six years ditched her. Guess what? Now she has mental health problems (shocker, there). She wants to be an actuary, but she is so incredibly stuck.
Granted, some people are just plain old lazy. Some have "normal" problems with mood swings and diagnose themselves to be depressed. But some people have moderate depression, some people have debilitating depression or other mental health issues. Some people are dealing with abuse. Most of us have a much smaller family and support network than we would have had just a few decades ago.
Ask any faculty advisor at a larger faculty at U of M, and they'll tell you several students in their faculty commit suicide per semester. It's not a small problem.
Issues usually have causes, and it's more useful to look at solving the causes of the problem so people can enable themselves to support themselves more comfortably. | |
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| Manitoba to hike minimum wage to $9
Posted: 12/30/2008 3:48:49 AM | Personally, I don't look at the drive-thru cashier at my reg Tim Hortons as a looser or lazy slacker. Perhaps it is because she has been handing me my coffee through a window for two years everyday that I know she is someone who is working hard to support her two children on minimum wage.
I think there are some people who need to give their head a big shake...The person pumping your gas or handing you your greasy bag of fast food everyday are definately worth paying a bigger minimum wage as an incentive to put up with the cranky people who have already passed judgement on them before they are handed their coffee everyday.
A woman who supports two children is better off staying home and collecting tax credits and welfare than she is busting her but to make ends meet on minimum wage.
It would seem as if there are some people who are hell bent on taking away whatever dignity and pride that some people actually work and sweat for by working minimum wage jobs to support their families.
I am a single Mom, and I am still in school at night so I can earn my bach degree.
The times...they have...ahh...changed.
Long gone are the grants and unconditional loans for college that provides living expenses for the applicant...let alone expenpenses for a family of two or three.
I am willing to bet that a large majority of the immigrants driving a cab here in Toronto or even in Manitoba for that matter have a degree in a specialized career field that the Canadian government does not recognize.
Honestly, what are we talking about when it comes down to dollars and cents?
One option is to make the gap between welfare and minimum wage so small it only perpetuates people to become lifelong recipients...vs making the minimum wage something people can live on and build work experience to help them excell past the welfare income.
Bottom line is that a person working contributes to the tax base.....and really, I have to ask everyone...what difference do you actually think it is going to make to your lifestyle to support an increase in the minimum wage?....if anything..I would think there could be a significant decrease in social welfare costs...I'll pay the extra few pennies for my coffee or my daughters happy meal.
I noticed there was a few posters who had the opinion that people should pull themselves up by their own bootstraps....All I have to say to that...is times have changed and the family dynamic has changed. The opportunities that may have existed 20 or 30 years ago are long gone...and ironically there are many low paying jobs you need a college education in order to compete for to get a crappy job.... | |
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| Manitoba to hike minimum wage to $9
Posted: 12/31/2008 2:26:00 AM | haywiresue, I'm not so sure that a flat income tax rate would be such a boon. Having a flat income tax rate basically penalizes people for having a lower income (and not just the extremes.) The reason behind this is that the basic costs of living are generally a fixed expense, they can go up for luxury goods, but they generally can't go down past a basic level. Everyone needs access to water, energy, shelter, transportation and food.
Let's plug in a few arbitrary numbers. Let's say Fixed Minimum living costs per month are $600, and income tax is a flat $500 for everyone.
Now let's compare 3 income levels. Mr. Green with a monthly income of 1500, Miss. Yellow with $2500, and Mr. Warbucks with 10000.
Mr. Green spends 1100 on his fixed costs per month (income tax and min. living costs). This leaves him with $400 to spend how he sees fit, whether that's education, luxury goods, or anything else.
Miss. Yellow has the same fixed costs, but due to a 66% higher income, she gets to take home $1400, resulting in her getting having 250% more fun money than Mr. Green.
Mr. Warbucks has it even better, he gets to take home $8900 dollars per month after taxes and fixed living expenses. So Mr. Warbucks gets to take home 2125% the amount that Mr. Green gets to take home.
It can be argued that Mr. Warbucks deserves to take all that money home since he earned it and payed his fair share of taxes.
But it really doesn't matter what is fair, what matters is that Mr. Warbucks lives in a democracy and in that democracy there are alot more Mr. Greens and Miss. Yellows than there are Mr. Warbucks. And since each and every person gets a vote, they vote for a taxation system that taxes people with a higher income more, because their fixed living costs take up a smaller chunk of their income. | |
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Posted: 12/31/2008 5:32:20 AM | yep and warbucks got so good at conning folks that when his business started to fail he decided to start spending pension money from employee's on advertizing... so he could save even more money for his employee's(good story)...but like all greed once it is there it only gets bigger and uglier like all cancers
....when a human looses the ethic of not taking what is not yours they are heat seeking missels to pull entitled fools who trust them to their own level....smells paper...even that stinks of entitlement..is that why new cars stink......
does parlement stink like new cars......nope like burnt oil.
and transit fee's go up cuz the price of gas has dropped to 1/2.....nice. 
well is a nice fairy tail....where is the ending...warbucks retires in a nice retirement home and his entitled brats never work a day in there life and end up being a ceo cuz they deserve the privilige cuz daddy was so slick. nice smug package untill
the kid relizes his daddy is responsible for killing the polar bears. | |
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| Manitoba to hike minimum wage to $9
Posted: 12/31/2008 6:46:40 AM |
untill
the kid relizes his daddy is responsible for killing the polar bears.
And? What's the problem here, what have the polar bears ever done for me? | |
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Posted: 12/31/2008 7:23:42 AM | Let's plug in a few arbitrary numbers. Let's say Fixed Minimum living costs per month are $600, and income tax is a flat $500 for everyone.
I don't think you understand the flat tax RATE that haywiresue was promoting. You are thinking of a flat tax AMOUNT, not a RATE. The way I understand it, Haywiresue suggested that a flat amount of EVERY DOLLAR earned be deducted as tax.
For simple math, lets say it was 10%. If Mr. Warbucks chooses to spend a million bucks on a luxury yacht, he's already chipped in 10 grand into the government's kitty on that million. That yacht purchase keeps all of the trades involved in building yachts working and earning dollars which are also taxed at 10%.
I'm not supporting nor am I bashing haywiresue's comment, just clarifying as I think you got it wrong. | |
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Posted: 12/31/2008 7:36:13 AM | So warbuck wants a yacht so he can watch the bears drown...he can have the first hand view and see with his own eye's...a short time later they find warbucks floating beside a bear cuz he realizes his mistake and jumps over the edge...
his family is shocked at first but not truely surprized and they pay for a modist funeral and fly off to tahiti...thinking they can get away from the responsibility of there materialistic value meaning more than mother earth.... happy new year to those who choose to pretend there materialistic value counts for**** chit when warbucks kid figures out the dissapointment gets to him...and he sells off the blood money of his family and creats a bear sancutary in canada....
yep is a story indeed.
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Posted: 12/31/2008 9:04:34 AM | Thaks MKD that is exactly what I was speaking of. Same percentage of tax for each dollar earned.
Plasmabunny - if a person flunks out of high school because they just dont care about an education, does not want to get a skilled trade or do anything productive - what do they have to offer an employer to get anything more than a minimum wage?
Now take another person, one who has a high school diploma and makes the choice to not get further education or skill training. Now add to this, some bad life choices that either put them in debt or leave them with dependants. They too have virtually no skills, so what do they have to offer an employer to get anything more than minimum wage?
Then there are other people who get a high school diploma and then further their education at university or college. Now these people have things to offer an employer and have something to negotiate in regards to a wage. In addition, while the previous 2 people enjoyed life and went clubbing, or enjoying the night life and sleeping in, the people who gained further education gave that up in order to get an education/skill. So, is it fair to them to have pay for the others? I think not.
Our tax dollars provide basic things for those in need, however so many things are abused. In a perfect world, everyone would be prosperous and take advantage of the liberties we have here to pursue an education, work and be prosperous and have the ability to own things. Unfortunately many people her (meaning in Canada) have this diluted mindset of expecting things to be given to them. This is something that really rubs me the wrong way. We have many people here who play the system and its because of them, that people who really need help, get denied benefits (as many posters have identified). Autopac, Workers Conmpensation, Unemployment, and other benefit agencies/plans/insurers have all dealt with so many abuse cases, and made fun of by the media, that they have adoped the mindset to be wary of people cheating first. This is sad, but its the bad apples who have made things the way they are. This hurts everyone, so why get angry at the sytem - get angry at the abusers.
If you want an education, you can get one. If you want to learn a trade to get a better wage, you can. If you want to buy things, then save your money. Its all about priorities and going out and working for what you want. Its not about people who have made getting an education, getting a high paying job, or being successful, a priority. I do not believe that anyone successful who have given up things to become successful, should be penalized by paying extra taxes or higher tax rates to pay for slackers and lazy-a$$ people who just expect to have and be given the things other people have worked hard for.
Get over it people....................if you want more, go out and work for it. | |
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| Manitoba to hike minimum wage to $9
Posted: 12/31/2008 11:36:37 AM | Ah, my bad on the flat tax amount, you did say a flat tax rate and I botched the interpretation. However a flat percentage of taxation would still suffer from the same problem as a fixed tax amount, it would just be less pronounced. Continuing the earlier example (gets his baseball bat to beat the dead horse). Let's say the fixed rate of taxation is 35%.
Mr. Green still earns $1500 per month. He is charged $525 in taxes, he pays $600 in fixed living costs, and all of that adds up to $1125 leaving him with $375 in funny money (or 25%)
Miss Yellow at $2500 per month is charged $875 in taxes. So after fixed living costs her take-home is $1025 (41%).
Now for Mr. Warbucks, at $10000 per month, he is charged $3500 in taxes. After fixed living costs he takes home $5900 (59%).
A fixed taxation rate still harms people with a lower income more than it harms people with a higher income. This is why we have a tiered taxation system, so that people with a higher income are taxed at a higher rate since it will likely harm them less than taxing people in a lower income at the same rate.
I'm not saying it's perfect, our tax system is a convoluted mess and in it's current state after factoring in incentives and benefits to people in the various incomes it actually harms middle class, and lower upper class folks the most while benefitting the lower class and super-rich upper upper class the most. (I'm sorry, but I don't have a reference for this last paragraph, I learned this stuff from my sociology professor and can't recall the specific study's name) All I'm saying is that a flat rate taxation system has weaknesses that we may not desire to have in our own taxation system. | |
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| Manitoba to hike minimum wage to $9
Posted: 12/31/2008 12:45:55 PM | Regardless of who gets "hurt" more by different taxation schemes, the fact of the matter is that we live in a country where pretty much anyone who wants to work can do so and get paid. We also live in a country where we all have the opportunity to choose to get an education if we so choose to. Getting an education is not a guarantee of earning higher than minimum wage, but is sure as heck gives you a lot more opportunities.
Sure, you can luck out and be Mr. Warbucks without an education but if you take the time to count, I'm betting that the vast majority of people in that class went to school and got that education. Some of them had mommy and daddy to help but many more bit the bullet and made the hard decisions in life that will increase their career potential. | |
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Posted: 12/31/2008 2:59:40 PM | Plasmabunny to further what MKD posted, we live in a country where people can do better if they have the desire to do so. So who gives a rats a$$ if your Mr Green or Miss Yellow cant make ends meat. If they dont like what they have or what their financial position in life is, they can change it. Personally I hate the whiners who do nothing but complain about how disadvantaged they are, and what they should get from govt. Instead of complaining they should put that energy into doing better for themselves by working more or get a different job, or go back to school and upgrade their skills. I dont understand why so many people think just cause they dont have something or a certain standard of living, it should be provided for them. Give your heads a shake!
Before the snowballs begin to get hurled at me, I was not born with a silver spoon in my mouth and I worked damn hard for what I have. I worked at a full time job while going to school to better my education, and paid for my education myself. I also worked at a full time job and had as many as 3 part time jobs during different times in my life, depending on what I wanted that I could not afford. I have never been afraid of hard work and I appreciate what my efforts in life have provided. I live better than some, and worse than others, however I do not brag about what I do have, or complain about what I dont have. I figured out what was needed for me to get, or do the things I wanted in life, by working more, or improving my education and changing jobs. If I can do it, so can everyone else. I will admit that student loans are a pain in the a$$ but if that is the only way you can improve yourself, stop whining and go for it. | |
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Posted: 12/31/2008 4:11:37 PM |
So who gives a rats a$$ if your Mr Green or Miss Yellow cant make ends meat. If they dont like what they have or what their financial position in life is, they can change it.
Now Sue, you know we are a caring country and we do look after our neighbors.
Now let us say everyone who works at these low paying jobs does pick themselves by their bootstraps and gets an education. Now we are going to have to pay them more. I am not sure where all the jobs for these people are going to come from and how the money we are going to pay them will appear.
Money just does not appear out of nowhere. If it does some clever people notice it and they say ‘wait, the economic pie was so big, now you divided it up into more pieces, I guess the value of each piece is worth less now’.
This devaluates the dollar, increasing prices of imported goods for the rest of us. Also because there is more money in the system inflation rears its ugly head. Why did house values go up 100% in the last five years? Because people had more money to throw at buying a house so the cost went up.
And now that we moved all these people that were doing these low paid jobs up the food chain I guess we will have to offer more to do these jobs just to fill the positions. If we are lucky we might be able to get the people who educated themselves seeing that they all had experience and could do the jobs with little training.
Which brings us back to the increase in minimum wage.
It was all the people that educated themselves and had more money than brains who drove up the cost of putting a roof over your head. Now that housing costs more for the well-paid/well-educated along with the damn-I am-just-getting-by crowd how can we (I am in the well-paid/well-educated group) justify not giving fifty cents an hour so that they can cover the increase in the cost to live that we caused? | |
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Posted: 12/31/2008 4:38:14 PM | Well, maybe the people that keep voting the NDP in will finally get their way:
The provincial government will take control of everything
We work, all the money we earn goes into the same pot
The government provides us with our living quarters ( if you don't like your accomadations you're just being an eliteist)
The government supplies our water, hydro, natural gas
We go to the government supply store, they give us our weekly allotment of groceries ( this allotment will vary depending on whether you're single with no dependants or not) and can make sure we don't eat fatty salty foods and thus become more of a drain on the healthcare system
Or we could take some responsibility for our own wellbeing instead of having the govt. act as nursemaid & mommy. | |
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Posted: 12/31/2008 5:16:33 PM |
Well, maybe the people that keep voting the NDP in will finally get their way:
Fat chance, ten years of the NDP in power in Manitoba and we are nowhere close.
Or we could take some responsibility for our own wellbeing instead of having the govt. act as nursemaid & mommy.
Where the companies make the rules. | |
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Posted: 1/1/2009 9:17:37 AM | Now Printer.............
Yes, we are a caring country, and I think you are a bit confused with the rest of that statement. We help our neighbours - we dont care for them, and that is exactly what the problem is with the slack-a$$es out there. They feel its their God Given Right to be taken care of.....................WRONG..........this is a country where all people have the right to unlimited earning potential if they go after it.
Its not just about getting a job, why do so many people feel they must work for someone else.............there is nothing stopping them from starting up their own business. Unless we go back to that previous thing I said about being unskilled, uneducated and unable to provide any marketable talents/abilities/skills.
I know many self-made people who worked for someone else while they started up a small business out of their home/basement that turned into a full time job for them. However, they put the time, money and effort into it while they sacrificed many social activities, time and other things to get that business going.
So, once again its back to what a person wants, to be financially independent by having marketable skills and talents, or to whine about what you dont have because you are unskilled and lack the education to enable you to earn more money............ | |
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Posted: 1/1/2009 9:57:33 AM | The fact still remains that a human who is rich and can not relate to real life and can not grasp appreciation for all they have(cuz they take being loved and care for FOR GRANTED!!!!! and pretend they have respect is laffable when there respect is solely based on materialistic values...mother therisa was a very honorable human and her bank account was not her signifacants...care to tackle her value to the planet or is only the ones who pretend there value is significant by what they own and who they own.
is people who use government resourses and do not appreciate the value of having the privilige of having safety that bug me...the ones who where born in safety and refuse to give other humans the same respect of that...smells gound...oh but you might actually have to admit you where born in a different place to relate that later wouldn't ya....roar.
and to use government subsidy like home care and special programs for your child(daycare is paid by all of us...if your earning above poverty why are you sucking from the pool designed for human's who do not have your education.....hmmmmmmmmsmart azzes. and not feel guilt for having to need the resouse cuz that childor parent deserve the stability you never got yourself is a lesson to learn.
is when people who have education that pillage poverty for there value...smells farmilar doesn't it. smell your own azz before you think your gonna ride off on there value too..and ya wonder why entitlement grows...cuz educated people stick there needs into poverty's resourses...ahhawwwwwwwwwwww they don't add there strength of character they add there envy!!!
i think you can afford daycare mkd you are educated and have a job...why should the province assist in your childrens needs...you can afford private care...see how ugly that is...and stupid...the daycare is for kids who need family structure not people who live out of poverty............check...wana go deeper or shall i just assume you grasp the context, why is ok for you people to rape structure designed to help poverty and fill your own entitlement...cuz you deserve the help....no cuz you assume it is designed for you upper class and it isn't. you people keeop raping the structure designed to help poverty and wonder why poverty does not ever change.
smell your own azz and then think you have the option to assume any other human...ok i agree to diss agree on your entitled additudes grasping the context of poverty cuz your to removed from basic needs to relate. your azz does not smell cuz your too perfict to understand those resorses you help yourself to where not designed for your class either. never mind you help yourself and don't even feel guilt for it...cuz your so much more than others right.
just like homecare serviceing the overdeveloped suburbs and the workers refusing to service poor people with mice...fair right. you good but you can't lie anymore cuz your daycare fee's and your homecare are equal to the service of EIA and that reality is not fitting into your pride pasture to good.
and when the middle class assumes the lower classes resourses who gets blamed...roar. rolls old eye's...perhaps your daycare fee can be assumed as the same catagory as welfare and then you could relate to how much you also assume from society for your middle class lifestyle to continue.
sucks to be you if your nose is up in the air and your using the same hand to help yourself and you just don't realize it to......... but your children have more value cuz you work....snickers....but you have 2 and i only have 1... | |
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| Manitoba to hike minimum wage to $9
Posted: 1/1/2009 10:07:50 AM |
The fact still remains that a human who is rich and can not relate to real life and can not grasp appreciation for all they have(cuz they take being loved and care for FOR GRANTED!!!!! I have to disagree with you. I know rich people who are decent human beings who treat others the same without regard to social or economic status. I know poor people who are the same. I know rich people who are greedy and selfish. I know poor people who are the same. I don't think how much you have has anything much to do with it except that it makes it more obvious. | |
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| Manitoba to hike minimum wage to $9
Posted: 1/1/2009 10:13:44 AM | but the rich person has education and that is no excuse to not have the value to know better. poor folks spell bad so they must be stupid...well i can't spell is true but it will be a cold day in h3ll that educated will use entitlement as an excuse to have bad human conduct to.
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