| Manitoba to hike minimum wage to $9
Posted: 1/1/2009 11:06:19 AM | Back to raising the minimum wage. Why does that gall some so much? Is it because the recipricants did not fight for their raise, picket in front of their places of work, or is it just that the government legislates the increase. Is it because their double double may cost an extra five cents, the same amount that transit fares went up today?
From the sound of it people making minimum wage are slack-a$$es who feel its their God Given Right to be taken care of. I am sure that is what they are thinking of when they are making their minimum wage pumping gas or waiting your tables.
I have no problem with people bettering themselves and their situation in life. I knew a woman that worked at a call center making little more than minimum wage that I wanted to see do better for herself. But at the same time she was also trying to provide a good home for her two kids. For some reason I find women more effected by the minimum wage level than men.
We all know a company is not going to give more compensation for work provided than they have to. Also that the cost of living tends to go up rather than down. Leaving the minimum wage at one level just puts the people making it on a downward slope. This can be viewed as incentive to better themselves (why do we not just cut the minimum wage by a dollar giving them more incentive?) but I see it as just making it harder to survive. | |
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| Manitoba to hike minimum wage to $9
Posted: 1/1/2009 12:17:02 PM | At least they're raising the minimum wage, not bringing in the idiotic scheme the province was considering in the early 80's.
Back then, to "help" people on welfare ( it wasn't called "assistance" back then ) the province was examining the possibility of getting people off the welfare rolls by giving those that got fulltime minimum wage jobs an "income assistance" bonus ( I can't remember if that was their name for it, but you get the idea).
The study/plan was dropped when it was pointed out that the other people who were working those same fulltime minimum wage jobs who didn't have the "good fortune" to have gone into those jobs after being on welfare might get pretty p***ed off when they realized that the new worker beside them was doing the same job AND getting a monthly check from the government to help them out financially (thus implying minimum wage isn't a living wage, so if you were on welfare you deserve a reward for getting off the welfare rolls). | |
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| Manitoba to hike minimum wage to $9
Posted: 1/1/2009 12:49:04 PM |
Back to raising the minimum wage. Why does that gall some so much? I’m not sure if it gall’s them, or if it just gives them a false feeling of superiority to complain about it.
The only time people complain about how much others earn, is when their not happy with their own financial situation. | |
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Posted: 1/1/2009 12:56:29 PM | Printer I did not say that people who work at minimum wage are slack a$$es...etc. The people I referred to as slack a$$es are the ones who are unskilled and work at minimum wage jobs or are on welfare and do nothing to better their position in life, while they sit and b!tch and complain about what they dont have and what the government should be doing for them. Whatever happened to personal responsibility. I have a real problem with people who just think they should be given what others have to work hard to achieve - i.e. a car, a home, vacations, etc, or believe that they should not be paying taxes, because they are at minimum wage jobs.
If a person dropped out of school before getting a high school diploma, or made the decision to not get post secondary education, then that is a life choice they have made for themselves. What gives them the right to b!tch and complain about it, or blame the govt because they cannot make ends meet. There is nothing stopping them from going back to school. It is unfortunate that some women have children and are single parents, however that is also a life choice that they made to have those children. They too have the option to better their education and do what is necessary to improve themselves if they are unskilled. At one time unemployment benefits were being paid for people wanting to upgrade their skills and attend courses at RRCC. I have no idea if this program is still in existance, but I know of 4 single women who had children, who were enrolled in the program and went from minimum wage jobs to being able to provide for their children. In fact, one opened her own small business 5 years after she was employed in her new trade. My comments are about personal responsibility for the life choices people make, and not expecting the govt or anyone else to "look after them" beyond the social programs that are already in place.
I'm glad the minimum wage is going up. As outlined in previous posts minimum wage jobs are a starting point for salaries, where the employees have little or no skills as entry level jobs. This in itself should be incentive for people to better their skills/education to be able to earn more. It is each person own personal responsibility to take care of themselves. I mentioned welfare in this post because it has been mentioned by another poster. Welfare was never set up to be a lifestyle or profession. However we have 2nd and 3rd generation welfare recipients. | |
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| Manitoba to hike minimum wage to $9
Posted: 1/1/2009 9:00:06 PM |
Back to raising the minimum wage. Why does that gall some so much? Is it because the recipricants did not fight for their raise, picket in front of their places of work, or is it just that the government legislates the increase.
For me it is because of the government interference. I see no reason for government to dictate every little thing we do. Next you'll be wanting them to put limits on how much air we each breathe.
We all know a company is not going to give more compensation for work provided than they have to.
This statement is completely inaccuate. Personally i am paid far more than i feel i should be as well as being offered company shares and other incentives. For the little bit of work i do now that i am in an office i can't feel i've earned my income. At least when i was struggling to make ends meet and doing actual labour i could feel useful.
It doesn't matter where you start rather how you conduct yourself on the road to where you are going. Those who show a value to the company or community or family etc will be rewarded by those they serve. Companies are not corporations they are a collection of individuals all of whom have the same needs and desires as well as fears. As my pappy always said "When you go to work......go to WORK." That simple adage will get people the recognition they deserve by those who matter as well as the recognition they don't deserve by those who don't matter nor care. | |
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| Manitoba to hike minimum wage to $9
Posted: 1/1/2009 9:17:48 PM |
If you want an education, you can get one. If you want to learn a trade to get a better wage, you can. If you want to buy things, then save your money. Its all about priorities and going out and working for what you want. Its not about people who have made getting an education, getting a high paying job, or being successful, a priority. I do not believe that anyone successful who have given up things to become successful, should be penalized by paying extra taxes or higher tax rates to pay for slackers and lazy-a$$ people who just expect to have and be given the things other people have worked hard for.
Well said haywiresue. That little word if that is such a killer and helps so much in people allowing themselves to keep themselves poor. If this hadn't happened, if they hadn't done that, if only icould,if if if. But when they are doing something they know is detrimental to their ability to get ahead if becomes when. When my numbers come up, when my ship comes in, when they do this or they do that. The poor will always be with us that is a fact another fact is that the poor who stay poor do so because they decide to stay poor. every time they decide to play slots or buy a ticket, every time they spend the rent on drugs or booze. Every time one of these type of decision is made it is a concious effort to stay trapped in a rut that only that person has the ability to lift themself from and keep themself out of. It may be damned hard at times and can seem far too difficult but to see the changes it makes in your children when you do change these things it is worth all the difficulty the world can throw at you. | |
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| Manitoba to hike minimum wage to $9
Posted: 1/1/2009 9:59:32 PM | Hey, dudley, what about every time they decide to feed their child? Clothe them? Put warm and safe bedding on their beds? Pay more than they're allowance (which will get you roach but not rat/mice infested 'housing' if you can find it) for rent to keep their kids out of bad neighbourhoods and schools?Are they making a conscious effort to stay trapped in a rut?
Not that there aren't "slackers". I know of one who has been collecting welfare/disability for 15 years and makes $400 a week under the table. She can run a vehicle that truly deserving welfare recipients could not even dream of borrowing. She even wears $500 dresses sometimes and boasts about it. And she has a nice Subsidized Housing 2-bed with an unreported wage earning roommate. And the same system that let's her get away with it will hunt down a teenage mom for spending $40 they overpaid her? Bureaucrats? Come the revolution, they're first against the wall.  | |
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| Manitoba to hike minimum wage to $9
Posted: 1/1/2009 10:32:27 PM | Hey, dudley, what about every time they decide to feed their child? Clothe them? Put warm and safe bedding on their beds? Pay more than they're allowance (which will get you roach but not rat/mice infested 'housing' if you can find it) for rent to keep their kids out of bad neighbourhoods and schools?Are they making a conscious effort to stay trapped in a rut?
I fail to see how this can be equated to the purchase of alchohol or drugs instead of rent or gambling in place of food. Perhaps you will enlighten me on that, if you would be so kind. | |
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| Manitoba to hike minimum wage to $9
Posted: 1/1/2009 10:46:39 PM |
^^^is it not your duty to report her ? ^^^
It is not only duty to society but also a moral obligation to ones self to report these incidents. If the abusers are allowed to continue to abuse then the system should be shut down and that will only injure those who truly are in need. we are however so complacent in our lack of duty we see it as an inconvenience rather than an obligation. Let the policing agencies worry about the communities and we can be content in our bellyaching about what a poor job they are doing and how the abusers are allowed to get away with so much.
When society finally comes full circle and people again realize that it is the responsibility as well as the duty of every citizen to be vigilante and involved in their communities and country then we will have a nation and something to be proud of. All we have now is the knowledge that anyone can pretty much do as they see fit legal or not and nobody will lift a finger to change their own lives let alone the living standards of their communities. | |
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| Manitoba to hike minimum wage to $9
Posted: 1/1/2009 10:53:04 PM | no problem...i am single eia my rent is allowed to be 253 dollars...care to pretend what i could rent...i lost housing cuz my kid turned 18...
my kid works and has student loans to 20 grand ...care to think who is paying that...sorry blue eyed...she will have to pay every dime back.
care to pretend dudley...where was i spose to live.......
answer.....for 13 months powers and boyd for 425 a month and that came out of my food budget cuz i am not so special to get housing beng single...
the home was owned by a slum lord from new york and it took eleven months to get my damage deposit out of him...he has 2 houses on the lot and both are mice filled traps which stigma is forced to live in cuz boarding house is where the government suggest we live. nice open turf...i worked for 22 years and now i qualify for a boarding house....so i took a roommate who is kind and cares if my kid gets a chance to suceed, bless that person for the kindness of understanding the old girl takes lots to get going but look the heck out when i get me a craw dad to work for.
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| Manitoba to hike minimum wage to $9
Posted: 1/1/2009 11:00:30 PM |
Not that there aren't "slackers". I know of one who has been collecting welfare/disability for 15 years and makes $400 a week under the table.
So turn her in or you're part of the problem too. | |
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| Manitoba to hike minimum wage to $9
Posted: 1/2/2009 12:05:31 AM |
my kid works and has student loans to 20 grand ...care to think who is paying that...sorry blue eyed...she will have to pay every dime back.
That is the usual way loans work. You borrow the money and then pay t back. At least your daughter is working to change her situation as you did and showed her to work if she was to change her position in life. Personally i think people who are in the welfare system and show they are trying to change their lives should have free education to help them on their way. At this time that, unfortunately, is not the way the system is set up.
care to pretend dudley...where was i spose to live.......answer.....for 13 months powers and boyd for 425 a month and that came out of my food budget cuz i am not so special to get housing beng single...
I have no idea about this powers and boyd you speak of but have heard of a boyd building. I don't go into the city any more than is absolutely necessary as i see it as nothing more than a giant cess pool. I do have family in there and from what i've learned from them you are lucky to have not gotten into public housing as it takes 27% of your income (i have a brother who was in public housing). That is not bad if you only have a meager subsistance but if you start to make an income on wich you can actually better your family's station the rent is then more of a penalty than an aid. Sometimes it is better to stick with real people than deal with a beurocracy.
As to the roaches and mice those are just a part of life sometimes. The important thing then is keeping out of the elements and food on the table. Like i've said it won't be easy and sometimes it seems that the greatest effort has the least reward but staying the course is the only way worth while. It is so easy to fall into the traps of the poor such as crime and substance abuse but far better to do with less and work more for your honest living and pass that on to your children and the other members of your community than to cede to temptation. That would only continue the cycle. Only you can keep can change your life. | |
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Posted: 1/2/2009 9:05:22 AM | is ok dudlers...boyd and powers is center of the old core...boyd is one street north of burrows and between salter and magregor....mr redhead was murdered in my back lane ...beatin to death and it is an unsolved still........
the gun fire was a every day occurance and i hid in inner walls when i heard the noise...my dog would hide under the chairs...we lived like that for over a year...and my friend was propositioned in front of my dwelling...parr st...is only a few blocks where all the middle class cars come by and pick up young girls who range in age from 12 to teens..
i met a woman on boyd when there was a shooting accros salter...her 15 year old son was lured into a home and beatin to death by gang members(this lady had 5 children and worked and bought her home)...the girls who lured him had a deal with the crown and the boys went to jail but a year later the girls call her house and ask her lil 6 year old boy to talk to his dead brother...the police cut a deal and the girls are all freely walking around and making the ladies kids life h3ll...she is petitioning ottawa to overturn deals like this..please sign her petition if you see it.
this area is imploding and the high risk to drive thru never mind walk thru.
i feel so sad for this lady and her kids...there are lots of oppressed humans living between gun shots...and it is not nice. and mean while all those safe houses sit open in the barricks cuz these impoverished folks don't count when there safety is on the line..and our government pretend to address the problem by reparing existing rats nests pretending they are dealing the issue.......after all last fall was it not a silver hiegths woman who had a news story about her demanding a higher police presents cuz of her tax base and she was worried about her halloween orniments being stolin...shows the additudes of educated doesn't it.
lets just whine to the newspaper about our petty rights to hang ornaments for your entitled child. and the paper actually ran the story.clear as a bell i remeber that story and the area it came from.
the funny part...i applied for a job to clean mouse cages and was declined the oppertunity in my new neibourhood....ok than you want welfare to work...why would they not consider my experience with mice hate to solve my issue....cuz i don't have a family member to entitle me to the job!!!
now comming from farming background you would think it would be a no brainer....shakes old head. guess the universe has a different plan...don't know.
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| Manitoba to hike minimum wage to $9
Posted: 1/2/2009 9:56:06 AM | Personally i think people who are in the welfare system and show they are trying to change their lives should have free education to help them on their way.
They do.
As well as endless employment training options, fully paid for; coverage for transportation costs, coverage for childcare, paid work incentives and coverage for medications and such for a year after they have gained employment. Not to mention coverage and assistance with addiction programs, transportation costs to see their probation officer, coverage for anger management programs, parenting classes, healthy baby programs and so forth.
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Posted: 1/2/2009 10:01:10 AM |
shows the additudes of educated doesn't it.
No, actually I don't believe that it does. What it DOES show, is the attitude of one woman who happens to live in Silver Heights. Whether she's educated or not....or feeling a sense of entitlement or not........I don't know. I would agree with you that the story, as you describe it, would lead me to believe that she's got her priorities pretty messed up.
But, to state that something like that shows the attitude of the educated is an incredible generalization. It would be the same as me saying "all people on assistance are worthless crack addicted losers." Constantly equating education and entitlement is a slap in the face to those who worked hard to pay for their education, in an attempt to better themselves and their circumstances.
Listen, I'm not a believer that education is the be-all and end-all of how we gain self-worth and value as human beings. Some of the absolute dumbest people I know are exceedingly well educated, but lack social skills and common sense. Conversely, some of the brightest people I know are high school drop outs. But I do believe that education is the most valuable tool that anyone can use to get themselves out of cycles of poverty/abuse etc.
What would be wrong with making post secondary education free to anyone who wants to avail themselves of that option? Then, you'd have more options available for people wanting to better themselves and less people having to struggle to get by on social assistance or low paying McJobs. | |
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Posted: 1/2/2009 11:10:38 AM | snickers....well i disgree...the police in this city have been manipulated by educated tax bases and now the entrail fall into the taman inquiry........do you think there is a pattern of educated folks demanding entitlement and perhaps they have trained officers to go over ethics and towards learning they can manipulate who ever with there closed ranks.
is a pattern of entitlment which creates a warped deck IMO.
after all do you think an officer joins the ranks of law enfosement to be manipulated with ornaments to value higher than human life of the poor regions of this city..............i think not...but it does not take long for that officer to be pulled into the ethics of the politics instead of the law which pretends we are equal.
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Posted: 1/2/2009 9:18:37 PM | They do.
As well as endless employment training options, fully paid for; coverage for transportation costs, coverage for childcare, paid work incentives and coverage for medications and such for a year after they have gained employment.
Absolutely! Unfortunately for those who try to better themselves they have to fight to get this 'free stuff'. EIA is not telling people outright what they are entitled to. I know because because I've had the opportunity to work on both sides of the fence. As a recruiter for a Adult Vocational School and working as Admin., for EIA. Let me tell you... I didn't like what I heard....disparaging remarks and all that s h i t! The paid work incentives only lasted at the most for 3 months, unless the clientele had numerous children! | |
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Posted: 1/3/2009 1:21:40 AM | ]quote]They do.As well as endless employment training options, fully paid for; coverage for transportation costs, coverage for childcare, paid work incentives and coverage for medications and such for a year after they have gained employment.
Absolutely! Unfortunately for those who try to better themselves they have to fight to get this 'free stuff'. EIA is not telling people outright what they are entitled to. I know because because I've had the opportunity to work on both sides of the fence. As a recruiter for a Adult Vocational School and working as Admin., for EIA. Let me tell you... I didn't like what I heard....disparaging remarks and all that s h i t! The paid work incentives only lasted at the most for 3 months, unless the clientele had numerous children!
So it looks like the proper programs are in place at least to some extent but the ones responsible for administering the programs are deliberately not doing a proper job of it. Seems to me it would cost far less to properly help these people and allow them the priveledge of becoming productive members of society than to hold them back. The people being helped would feel better because they are actually getting somewhere. Those who are funding the programs (taxpayers) would feel their investment is not just wasted on ungrateful layabouts who do nothing all day except try to think up ways to abuse the system.
Turns out that, from how i read Traditional Woman's post, the biggest or worst abusers of the system are the administrators. Only reason i can think of for that is fear of doing a good job and not being necessary anymore. Job security, if you keep the cycle going and the truth hidden you will always have work? Not exactly dissimilar to CRA auditors being given bonuses on the amount of moneys they can keep CRA from paying out in refunds or better yet inventing ways to get already paid accounts back and the taxpayer fined and charged interest for something CRA did.
When it is the very ones who are alledgedly there to help who are the main problem there is no wonder everyone on both sides is dissatisfied. When those who are your supporters are your biggest problem then there is no wonder so many give up hope and become lifelong wards of the state so to speak. We do this to our own people yet brag about how charitable we are as a people when we send billions of dollars to dictators in other countries to help them keep their poor dependant upon them. | |
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Posted: 1/3/2009 2:00:54 AM | Soo...how bout we put things into perspective here, if only to satisfy the complainers about the proposed Manitoba minimum wage hike.
If there was a minimum wage in effect that allowed a person with minimal working experience and/or education to make more than the social welfare system paid...would the businesses that are successfully operating now go belly-up?...probably not....would that bankrupt the province?...Nope don't think so...
Would it provide some income tax dollars to the province....absoloutely....
Would it help to change the perpetuating cycle of welfare abuse?...in the short term...probably not..but if you look even 5 years into the future...I think it probably will.
Even though I am from Ontario, I have the unique perspective of someone who has through the system and found no helping hand in the social programs while I was in need. I have been in need of affordable childcare...only to get approved a year after I took a second job to provide my son with a good pre-school.
It is not only ignorant to assume the poor are granted funds to help them excell beyond poverty, it is also arrogant for some of you who post, to keep perpetuating a myth that every person who makes minimum wage and/or recieves some type of social assistance is automatically granted the opportunity to recieve a free education or special priveledges.
Instead of looking to the past cicumstances that brought us all to the present circumstances that has ultimately almost obliviated the working middle class....how about thinking that maybe a minimum wage hike would be an incentive for the person who was raised in the poorest household, but had the choice and opportunity to feel included and be someone who contributes to our society?
This post is lost in the present circumstances and the stigmas of the past....time to move forward...It is time to ask how to make allowances for the people who are the future of our country....or we could just make more judgements and point fingers some more??.. | |
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Posted: 1/3/2009 2:29:47 AM | With Doer being NDP and a union boss i must wonder if his raising the minimum wage as many times as he has has more to do with knowing the union wages will go up accordingly thus raising his income? Is he still earning money as a union tzar while premier or just lining the pockets of his cohorts? Is it just a way of getting more for the NDP from the unions? I have yet to meet an NDPer who is actually interested in more than his own pocketbook and doubt Doer is the exception so what is he really up to?
What about the many who should actually be paying their employer for giving them a way to spend the day since they are completely useless but still have to be paid? To have perfectly able bodied people sit by and watch someone else do their job and never think to try and do it themselves is rediculous. If they were retarded or crippled or something then there may be a reason for it but there are some who are born useless to hard working parents. Shouldn't there be a special minimum wage for these people? I'm not talking about poor people or anything like that just useless people who refuse to even fend for themselves at home let alone do any real work labour or white collar. | |
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Posted: 1/3/2009 7:54:00 AM | I'm not sure that at times the government looks much further beyond the possibility of increases in income taxes and votes when considerations for increases to the minimum wage occurs. While I know many people believe that a boost in the minimum is going to allow them to afford more things in life, there are some obvious setbacks when an increase such as this occurs.
I guess its fairly safe to say that we indeed are in a recession, and pretty much any business knows this. Typically, the first thing that happens when there is an increase in minimum wage is prices for basic goods will have to increase. I'm not saying by a lot, but they do increase. Look no further than fast food restaurants approximately 3 weeks before the increase takes effect. I've yet to see this not happen. If base wages have to go up, many businesses working on lower margins will have to cover the costs in a few ways. Raises prices is one, letting people go or cutting hours are others. The first mentioned is a win-win for gov't... since they will collect more in tax. The following two points however are not. You cannot gain more in personal income tax if one will not be working as much or at all. Also now having to pay more for some basic goods ( fast food not included.. but its just an example which will increase anyway.. ) IMO really isn't a benefit, especially to those that are earning minimum wage. The economy just scales itself and balances right back to where it was before and people will be clamoring for yet another increase to minimum wage. Now some people can take the line and then blame businesses for increasing prices, but like people, they do have to survive also.
I know there are people out there that are in need of assistance when it comes to earning more, but this is never the answer to that. | |
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Posted: 1/3/2009 8:46:35 AM |
IMO really isn't a benefit, especially to those that are earning minimum wage. The economy just scales itself and balances right back to where it was before and people will be clamoring for yet another increase to minimum wage.
Let's see, the chicken or the egg?
Are we not giving an increase in the minimum wage because the cost of living has gone up over the last number of years? If we do not give an increase in the minimum wage once in a while the people earning it only falls farther and farther behind. I guess that is ok for the middle or upper class who have been getting increases in their wage over the years. | |
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Posted: 1/3/2009 9:06:48 AM | so the effects of raising the wage will punch up every single wage bracket in the kingdom....that means earning relief for people graduating away from poverty.
The base cost of each human to unfold the message takes time energy effort and people to set examples of acceptance and reward the spirits of people trying very hard to simply survive to the next generation....
i truely believe when we have enuff people focusing on the future instead of the past, it bring waves of hope to those who are or feel assumed by cutural stigma's...i will never give up hope for the folks caught behind the stigma who are trained to look backwards before they look forward.
OH YES WE CAN...........................................and it takes people like me to hold my pride infront of your stigma....
 don't pretend courage does not find pride in self...cuz your in for a awaking if you think that...shaking finger. when folks from big tax bases pretend they have more value...there azz is mine in spades. they can run but they can not hide behind there bank accounts and embed into the burbs and pretend there value is significant....cuz the notion of arrogants will drip from there skill and they will be inacurate at supporting people who are polor opposite. check....
so we see education is not enuff cuz if it is only to gain employment and not stimulate the ability to relate is for nothing.............i think education needs to focus more on individual values and skill building in esteem instead of cultural crap that forces children to look backward and learn to hate. when we pretend education is about someone elses life instead of your own...it simply screws educated folks from understanding the value of every person out there.(cuz people who live functional do not grasp the process to find freedom of soul nevermind freedom of entitled approval of sucess. sucess is not necesaraliy what you are but WHO you are.
and than that human thinks materialistic value is part of esteem..when it isn't.
wage hikes only assist in the government recognizing harvest numbers are growing into the working poor instead of away from it...this indicates failure of process and the proof is in the network of human's who decide who gets the oppertunity and who will complete the mission.
this mission in life is not economic superiourity but the knowledge that you can help folks or you can harm them...would you not take pride in helping them and dealing your own envy...i think so...cuz what is the point of having all your money if you can not gain respect for yourself  i don't and never will understand the selfish nature of coin to pretend they are better human's cuz they fell out of the right azz....................................... what ever... have a great day fishie, | |
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