| Ufos in the Bible
Posted: 3/1/2009 5:51:47 PM | The Bible is based on Egyptian myth and history. The "Jews" were Egyptians who were banished from Egypt to another land. There is no promised land and if there ever was one it was in Egypt. Also when the Assyrians conquered Egypt, they banished all of the royal family to another land. So Israel is not the promised land. Egypt has the Nile River, not Israel. Remember the Six Day War? That war was about Israel's exiled Egyptians trying to reclaim land they lost thousands of years ago.
UFOs might be present in the Bible but I don't know. I doubt it but there might be some texts that reference stuff that could be UFOs. If another species came to Earth, they would most definitely enjoy themselves here. They are probably still here enjoying themselves but I doubt they have anything to do with current events on Earth. If they do, then it is the stupid outlaw aliens and they have to fear whatever Empire or galactic police patrol that is out to find them. | |
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| Ufos in the Bible
Posted: 3/1/2009 6:24:42 PM | Hmmmm...unexplained things in the sky rationalized as all-powerful beings watching us.
Yeah, it fits actually. | |
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| Ufos in the Bible
Posted: 3/1/2009 10:55:47 PM | | The Jews were separate in idenity and still are today. The Jews maintained a national idenity without any land whatsoever longer than any people ever recorded. | |
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| Ufos in the Bible
Posted: 3/6/2009 1:44:05 AM |
Then he of course gave me the answer, I then said to him, would you say that what you just described to me could have been a UFO
Look up "Raelism", it's very entertaining. | |
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| Ufos in the Bible
Posted: 3/6/2009 1:56:25 PM | In the bible? Did not one of the guys write about seeing earth from the heavens? Did he not describe the vehicle he was in as a burning wheel within a wheel? He had to use the language he had to describe an object that was totally unfamiliar to him. He couldn't up and say "I was taken aboard a spacecraft with in-atmospheric abilities which was driven with nuclear power propulsion units and shown the earth from high above, proving that the earth is round." He didn't have the words or language to describe it.
Wish I could remember that guys name...but he's in there somewheres.... | |
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| Ufos in the Bible
Posted: 9/15/2009 9:31:53 PM |
The pillar of smoke as I read it was in the sky wasn't it? not coming from the top of a mountain or the ground, and don't forget it moved they followed it for years.
When was the last time a UFO stayed in the sky for 40 years?
Maybe years were a lot shorter back then , and later in the Bible when Joshua stopped the Earth from turning to win that battle he got the timing screwed up when he started things up again ( could be that's how Lazarus lived so long, the years were a lot shorter than they are now  | |
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| Ufos in the Bible
Posted: 9/15/2009 10:16:57 PM | Unfortunately we're working on the basis that in centuries past men with the same sized brain and much of the same vocabulary were incapable of describing physical things. It's a bit like saying grandpa couldn't possibly understand modern science when actually grandpa invented it and we're the ones trying to come to grips with understanding. Most of the time we just blindly follow the theorum laid out.
The Bible was written at a time where science was still just philosophical, but that shouldn't detract from its valuable social and political commentary, which most certainly would be contemporary.
It is not an effective comparison to speculate using modern stone age cultures such as New Guineans with an extremely limited vocabulary and no technological ambitions to ascertain how the Egyptians, who display very extensive technological development from engineering to medicine, or classical era Greeks who plotted the distance from the Earth to the Moon using trigonometry.
The reality is if you took Plato aboard a spaceship, he would be most likely to describe it as "a spaceship" and not a "burning bush."
And whilst much of the Old Testament was recorded by Hebrew scholars in roughly the Hellenistic period (coinciding with Urnfield and Halstatt cultures depending on the book, or the classical Babylonian and Greek Empires), the bulk of the New Testament was clearly penned by classically educated Romans during the Iron Age and early Mediaeval period (coinciding with the La Tene period and Dark Ages, which was the beginning of the classical period in the Middle East).
So throughout the time periods of writing the Bible, any part of it at all, the authors were well educated, they weren't barbarians running around with flint axes thinking "Ooh, big lightning maybe thunder of the Gods like Thor." They were thinking things like, "Ooh big lightning, must be meteorological since this would be logical and mathematic."
Hence most theologians are of the opinion the Biblical texts had always been intended as a political and social treatise, and by the way this is also the current standing of the Anglican Church and some would even say the subtle inferrence of ranking members within the Catholic Church all along.
The Bible is about politics, human psychology and sociology, largely via allegory but occasionally by example, it is not about Zeus or spaceships regardless that various fans of either following would have rational people justify them otherwise. | |
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| Ufos in the Bible
Posted: 9/16/2009 4:15:13 AM |
Exactly what words that were available to the people of those times would you choose to describe what we had just seen? A ship came out of the sky, and 2 people got out, said hi, and got back in their ship, and left. Nothing more to it. | |
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| Ufos in the Bible
Posted: 9/16/2009 6:43:29 AM | Go back further... the Hindu Vedas described flying "things" driven by "people"... wars and battles in the sky by "gods"... who were interacting with the people...
and were the basis for the star wars stories, I believe........ light weapons and ufos... gods. from the sky interacting in an open way....
and the bible too it seems caries tales of ufo type thingys... however concieled in the rhetoric o9f the times...
who knows? we weren't there.... someone chose to write it down ... from out of their fertile imaginations... or something real and seen.... without the words to convey?....
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| Ufos in the Bible
Posted: 9/16/2009 11:16:37 AM | Hi yna
I think you are reffering to Elijah the prophet, who was taken to the "heavens" on a "Chariot of Fire"..........................
Like you, I believe that there are times when people see things that they cannot describe with their vocabulary, and have to use euphimisms to draw a verbal picture as best as they can.
Paul K | |
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| Ufos in the Bible
Posted: 9/16/2009 11:55:31 AM | Hey R. O.
"The Bible is based on Egyptian myth and history. The "Jews" were Egyptians who were banished from Egypt to another land. There is no promised land and if there ever was one it was in Egypt. Also when the Assyrians conquered Egypt, they banished all of the royal family to another land. So Israel is not the promised land. Egypt has the Nile River, not Israel. Remember the Six Day War? That war was about Israel's exiled Egyptians trying to reclaim land they lost thousands of years ago."
I am curious where you learned all of the above that I cut/pasted from your post.........................
I guess the one statement that is most interesting question to me is, who the exiled Egyptians in the Isreali political controlling group were that started the 6 day war in order to reclaim land that they, the exiled Egyptians, lost thousands of years ago? This shouldn't be that hard to find out, as I am sure this is of public record. After all, we can look up who was in the Knesset at that time, and I am also sure that these exiled Egyptians would be happy to aknowledge the fact that they were starting a war to get back their long lost land.............
Paul K | |
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| Ufos in the Bible
Posted: 9/16/2009 12:29:05 PM | | There could be accurate descriptions of UFOs in the Bible, but so what? It would prove nothing as it would be describing events in a mythology. | |
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Posted: 9/16/2009 7:44:14 PM | Tried to you-tube UFO's...got a lot of responses on it. A lot of it faked but some are totally unexplainable. UFO's? Darned right they exist!
As far as where they are from or what they are doing here, who knows? One of these days the (male) pilot may well finally land and ask for directions! | |
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Posted: 9/16/2009 8:27:01 PM |
The Bible is based on Egyptian myth and history. The "Jews" were Egyptians who were banished from Egypt to another land.
I did a bit of proper theological research (which included sourcing references from the Uni of Jerusalem, etc.) a while ago noting this very possibility, which is in my opinion a perfectly reasonable hypothesis.
For all the world the Exodus looks like an Egyptian story which was adapted and adopted to the Hebrew religion, but it is speculation. I couldn't find any direct evidence to support it though it remains an extreme likelihood in my personal opinion.
It was nothing new to do this. Right since the very earliest Egyptian history, the transient local empire was built on the basis of conquering local communities by force and quickly adapting their patron myth into the national religion formally, thereby the community was now an invested part of the national politic. This brought both economic entitlements and manpower responsibilities to national military service.
Absorbing the patron mythologies of the conquered was standard fare. It was considered a vital strategic element to successful warfare, being one of the primary national resources of the age was simple manpower and the ability to arm them.
This might be considered the early phase of warfare. Later in the time of the Greeks the focus shifted from sheer numbers to the material wealth to arm smaller, elite forces more comprehensively and provide better training. So city-states with standing armies of less than 10,000 could conquer powerful nations with a military two or three times that. Absorption of patron, pagan mythology was less crucial, but was still important in maintaining a coherent national body (so the city-states might recognise each other's patron deities but not those of the Keltoi or Asians, for example).
Exodus might have been a retrograde pagan rebellion against Hellenistic political dominance, invented for this purpose at that time, since this was when it was penned.
Or it may reference a historical Eygptian event used as a catalyst for this purpose. The Hebrews in the story are therefore Eygptians and not slaves at all, perhaps it describes the split between the lower and upper kingdoms during the intermediate periods. The persona, role and description of Moses lends to this explanation.
There is some amount of scholastic inferrence supporting this, for one slaves were certainly a part of Egyptian society as they were all the classical civilisations, however it is known large engineering projects such as pyramid construction were undertaken by skilled, paid labour, slaves were never massed in any dynastic records and no thinking leaders would allow such a thing for rather obvious reasons it doesn't take a slave rebellion to contemplate.
Or it could be intended as written, without implication.
It could be an Egyptian moral, invented to describe why slaves were never massed for labour during the dynastic periods. Totally mythical.
Direct evidence to conclude any theory is sketchy at best, I'd say it comes down to a matter of preference. | |
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| Ufos in the Bible
Posted: 10/25/2009 8:59:07 PM | The Old Testament is the biggest pack of lies going.
Jews by their own admission are intelligent well informed people today and in past.
They had made their way down to the Nile of thier own accord.(Jacob)
A journey from Palestine to Nile is about 200 miles max.
To the North is the Mediterranean to the south c 50 miles is the Red Sea.
With donkeys, camels and families at 20 miles a day it would take approx 10 days to make the journey along the major trading route between the largest superpower Egypt and Mespopotamia and Assyria.
When the Jews who were downtrodden slaves for c 500 years decided to leave how difficult was it to follow the major road North and East?
What sensible family man with his children would follow a cloud or a star into a desert where he would die of thirst in two days?
How did they get lost, even if the story was true about crossing the Red Sea, for 40 years.
it would have been a quick turn left and head NE for 3 days until you were back on the highway .
Why wander round a killer desert for 40 years.?
What a pack of absolute lies. Real whoppers.
So what was the manna they ate? I suspect it was extremely halucinogenic.
Now if they were all downtrodden slaves who escaped Egypt where did they get the gold to make the Golden Calf which was there when Moses descended the mountain?
Did our Jewish heroes steal some gold of the pharaoh? Just a little bit of theft here and there? Just enough to make a huge golden calf (c $1000 million todays value)
if that wasnt true where did they get the gold to make the angels facing each other on the Ark of the Covenant.
Was the Ark made from stolen gold?
Isnt it strange that one of the Commandements says "Thou shalt not steal".
Ahem cough.
Perhaps that is an indicator to the state of mind and type of people who would go on to occupy the agriculturally cultivated "land of milk and honey" and commit the worlds first recorded genocide starting at Jericho | |
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| Ufos in the Bible
Posted: 10/26/2009 12:50:58 AM | Aw, now that's just great... Weevils in my Bisquick... Flies in my ointment...
And to top it all off; UFO's in my freakin' bible...
There ain't enough disinfectant to cure this...
I'm puttin' a torch to this hovel; and movin' back to Los Angeles... | |
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Posted: 10/26/2009 1:16:22 AM | hi... the people were made to wander for they were too disobedient/untrusting of God to enter the promised land, which was just a short trip away.. one writer puts it this way... blessings
God had promised to be their God, to take them to Himself as a people, and to lead them to a large and good land; but they were ready to faint at every obstacle encountered in the way to that land. In a marvelous manner He had brought them out from their bondage in Egypt, that He might elevate and ennoble them and make them a praise in the earth. But it was necessary for them to encounter difficulties and to endure privations. God was bringing them from a state of degradation and fitting them to occupy an honorable place among the nations and to receive important and sacred trusts. Had they possessed faith in Him, in view of all that He had wrought for them, they would cheerfully have borne inconvenience, privation, and even real suffering; but they were unwilling to trust the Lord any further than they could witness the continual evidences of His power. They forgot their bitter service in Egypt. They forgot the goodness and power of God displayed in their behalf in their deliverance from bondage. They forgot how their children had been spared when the destroying angel slew all the first-born of Egypt. They forgot the grand exhibition of divine power at the Red Sea. They forgot that while they had crossed safely in the path that had been opened for them, the armies of their enemies, attempting to follow them, had been overwhelmed by the waters of the sea. They saw and felt only their present inconveniences and trials; and instead of saying, "God has done great things for us; whereas we were slaves, He is making of us a great nation," they talked of the hardness of the way, and wondered when their weary pilgrimage would end. {PP 292.3}
The history of the wilderness life of Israel was chronicled for the benefit of the Israel of God to the close of time. The record of God's dealings with the wanderers of the desert in all their marchings to and fro, in their exposure to hunger, thirst, and weariness, and in the striking manifestations of His power for their relief, is fraught with warning and instruction for His people in all ages. The varied experience of the Hebrews was a school of preparation for their promised home in Canaan. God would have His people in these days review with a humble heart and teachable spirit the trials through which ancient Israel passed, that they may be instructed in their preparation for the heavenly Canaan. {PP 293.1} | |
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Posted: 10/27/2009 9:21:59 AM | Mona Lee. I can see you have been in a desert, dug a hole and put your head in the sand hole bigtime.
Jesus the human good guy would want you to use your intelligence.
Moses was "the father of lies and a murderer from the start". Jesus says it himself. | |
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Posted: 10/27/2009 11:54:19 AM | | "Moses was "the father of lies and a murderer from the start". Jesus says it himself." lololololol thats too funny! You have to be kidding. | |
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Posted: 10/28/2009 7:39:17 PM | "Mona Lee. I can see you have been in a desert, dug a hole and put your head in the sand hole bigtime."
this is your opinion and you are entitled to it but truthfully I care about Gods Opinion and I study and pray over that daily... blessings | |
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Posted: 10/28/2009 10:30:50 PM |
this is your opinion and you are entitled to it but truthfully I care about Gods Opinion and I study and pray over that daily... blessings
truthfully all i care about is the Easter Bunny's opinion, and i study and pray over that daily. | |
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| Ufos in the Bible
Posted: 10/28/2009 10:47:29 PM | | If there were UFO's in the Bible, then where are the stories about being abducted by the Martianites, who begat the Jupiterites, etc? | |
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Posted: 10/30/2009 7:59:49 AM | What about the "giants " in the bible. eg Goliath
what about the use by Jaweh of a laser beam to wipe out Sodom
a laser beam which could convert Lots wife to Sodium Chloride Na Cl
what a whopper. | |
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| Ufos in the Bible
Posted: 10/30/2009 10:01:53 AM | If you go to bibleufo.com, they say on this website that there are 362 verses describing natural and man made objects as vehicles in the Bible along with 162 verses describing the specific flight characteristics of the vehicles. The website contains much more … UFOs in history, The Giants, Advanced technology etc etc.
The same things can also be found in ancient writings and art worldwide.
The fact of the matter is that there are many many sightings of UFOs daily worldwide. There are no such things as UFOs. They have been identified as Starcraft operated by advanced, intelligent species from worlds revolving around other stars in our Universe.
The time has come to evolve upwards shaking off the lies and deceptions of our world’s Elite and rulers and join with our cosmic family … or … self-destruct and have the few remain half humans live in total slavery.
They are contacting humans daily and some have colonies and bases on Planet Earth. Some walk among us.
They are all positively Love and Compassionate and work in service to others. They are not evil, like many would like us to believe. They are here to suggest we don't destroy ourselves and to help only where it is necessary so that we humans can get our act together and change the direction we are headed away from war and violence by removing our violent selfish greedy leaders.
It is our responsibility to end all the crap these leaders do by replacing them with service to others oriented people.
It really isn't about the Star Nations ... it is about US!
The choice is Humanities to make.
Have an awesome day ... Love, Light and Peace | |
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| Ufos in the Bible
Posted: 10/30/2009 11:41:42 AM |
First let me say, two things. I don't believe in UFOs since I've never seen one
People stating they don't believe in UFOs is a bit of a pet peeve of mine. A UFO is an unidentified flying object. If you see something in the sky, you don't know what it is, and it is moving in a way other than falling, then it is a UFO. That does not mean it is an alien spacecraft. It could eventually turn out to be a duck wearing a wig and a poncho. However, until you know what it is, it is a UFO. | |
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