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| I don't think much of people who do this
Posted: 12/30/2008 2:11:11 AM | | This is a persons life.... they can have choices on who and what they want to have in it . .. NOONE should be put down for that . . people who impose ther own thoughts on others are control freaks | |
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Posted: 12/30/2008 7:50:17 AM | Oh please..... spare me Gottalight , Is there where Im supposed to go booohooooo hooooooooo
you have one thing right I don't feel empathy for this guy, when he appears to have things going for him and whines and complains about his " disorder".
There is a fellow on here who is in a wheelchair and is dying to get into a relationship, and is doing all that can do, and I feel for the poor guy, another woman who has started online dating after the death of husband who she was with for 25 years, yeah I feel empathy for them, NOT FOR THE OP, who whines and complain and calls people ignorant for not being tolerant yet he wont date a woman who is overweight?
Of course we could always sort out other defects and place blemishes too. Then we could take out certain religions, and hair colors, height, weight, and so many other things. Gee, lets just turn into a fascist society and throw a party for the perfect people.gottalight wow nice view on life , So in your perfect world we should help out poor people who thinks its their right to have people with money help them out, no wonder I hate the story of Robin Hood  | |
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Posted: 12/30/2008 8:02:08 AM |
Mental disorders are just labels assigned by some wackjob pseudo-doctor based often based on cursory judgments, so by just judging someone based on that, you're effectively ignoring the circumstances and reasons for why they (felt) the way they did.
paging Dr Seuss...paging Dr Seuss.... | |
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Posted: 12/30/2008 8:33:30 AM |
wow nice view on life , So in your perfect world we should help out poor people who thinks its their right to have people with money help them out, no wonder I hate the story of Robin Hood
I used to be Republican and thought that most of the criminals would get caught by a strong small governement. The overwhelming reality is that the crimes just get bigger, and then you go BK, like GM.
"Behind every fortune there is a crime" ~ DeBalzac | |
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Posted: 12/30/2008 8:41:58 AM | | I am not a person diagnosed with a mental disorder. I have been told that mentally I am very healthy individual but still there are times when I feel I struggle with my own sanity lol so I can imagine how much harder it would be to deal with someone elses struggle who has a history at not being so sucessful at it.......so honestly I see it as even more unneeded unecessary stress that I would be taking on in addition to my already everyday life problems....no thanks lol. | |
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Posted: 12/30/2008 9:13:56 AM | Dear Friends,
Even the most cursory traversal of google would bring up the ICD-10, Chapter V.
http://www.who.int/classifications/apps/icd/icd10online/
Neuropathology and psychopathology are classified as any other diseases.
While the DSM-IV is a private publication, and therefore not available free on line, most diagnostic criteria by number are easily searchable.
There is essentially little difference between a disease of the brain and a sore throat, that difference being primarily the complexity of the organ involved. To argue that a seratonergic reagent is somehow more stigmatising than an antibiotic is at best misinformed; the complexity of psycho-pharmacology in comparison to setting a broken bone is one thing, but creating a class difference of disease based upon affected organ is highly suspect as a scientific process. That little of neuro-transmission is currently understood is no reason to presume an inexhaustable mystery. Are we not in the same position regarding neuro- or psycho-pathology as the ancients were to particle physics? It is disingenuous as best to refer to one area of medicine as quackery because the means of exploration are not necessarily as developed as in another. Who would compare aesculation to an enhanced dye mri? There was a time when chf meant certain death, then along came Debakey, Barnard. Now, we have left ventricular bypass.
Depression, as simply put as possible, and vastly, vastly oversimplified is a disease of the amygdala - why turn it into a moral issue? Indeed, most of the "moral" diseases, alcoholism, substance abuse of other types, mental disorders, are simply physical ailments, not all of which are yet understood.
Allowing a patient with full-blown schizophrenia any type of "normal" lifestyle in the community is way ahead of what we can do. While ziprasidone, quetiapine, and other atypicals have nigh on miraculous effects, expecting easily digestible social responses from someone suffering from a major personality disorder is wildly unrealistic. There are some really good protocols for affect disorders, but the underlying chemistry often remains. Can SSRIs mitigate depression? Obviously. Does lithium at least ameliorate the more extreme symptoms of manic-depression? Also.
Looking at certain othe issues, borderline personality, the schizo-affective disorders, and so one, we see little hope in the near future of attenuation of symptoms, to say nothing of remissive prognoses. Better than ten years ago by far, even better than last year, but we are years, decades even, away from the kind of breakthrough in neuro-transmissive disorders than we are in attacking virus at the cellular level.
There is, therefore, neither a simple answer to any of the issues raised herein, nor any way that compassionate and literate folk should stigmatise those who are seriously brain diseased. Having the inner resources, however, to date someone seriously ill, whatever the circumstances, is something reserved to the few.
Peace,
C d C | |
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Posted: 12/30/2008 9:38:14 AM | ^^^
Excellent analysis and conclusion. It takes heart, and not just your average Joe Six-Pac to make such a commitment. The rest of us who want to get married should just be committed. | |
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Posted: 12/30/2008 9:53:40 AM | I have no argument against a preference to NOT date some one with a mental illness. My concern is two-fold:
1) Mental illness is relative and the diagnostic criteria of the DSM is typically over-broad and so for a reason. In order for third-party reimbursement to apply there needs to be an Axis I Diagnosis. Labeling theory is NOT to chastise or humiliate, although that is the criticism of labeling theory, but for communication between parties, including but not limited to, mental health professionals, third party reimbursers like insurance or EAPs. It is also used for measurement of treatment interventions. So, a mental health Dx is nothing more than a set of criteria used for the purposes listed above.
2) I believe preference to NOT date those with mental health diagnosis is fine. Keep in mind that most of us can easily meet the diagnostic criteria for one or two mental illnesses at any given time. Just b.c some one hasnt been diagnosed doesnt mean, necessarily, that they do not have one... My concern with this thread is also that OP has a distinct manner of expression consistent with judgment, exclusion, shame and degradation. The attitude is one of superiority. Your profile reeks of Narcissism (an Axis II Diagnosis). So, Mr. Pot what color is the kettle ? | |
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Posted: 12/30/2008 9:54:17 AM | I was subjected to a parent's mental illness for the first 18 years of my life. I couldn't wait to get away from them. I certainly wish anyone struggling with mental illness well, but I certainly don't see it as my job to fix them or invite them into my life. I've paid my dues and refuse to date anyone with drug or alcohol problems, propensity towards violence, or to try to spend the rest of my days trying to reason with someone who is unreasonable. They don't have to be diagnosed - I can see the red flags a mile away.
There are many men who don't want to date a plus size woman. I don't think any less of them nor do I resent it. I know this sounds insensitive, but I guess I'd rather be fat and happy or content, than skinny and crazy or miserable. | |
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Posted: 12/30/2008 10:06:22 AM | You are all absolutely right. I apologize for being insensitive. Mental disorders are emotional problems, but that doesn't stop them from being real, pathological medical conditions. Because I have never been officially diagnosed with anything and am of the tender age of 22, that means that I have no experience and have no idea what I'm talking about. I should get a PHD from an accredited university before speaking on these matters. While I am a complete nutjob similar to Tom Cruise, I hope that getting a PhD in these matters will make me less of such a nutjob.
This thread is full of my self-aggrandizement and nonsense, and the nonsensical nature of my posts show that I not only have no idea what I'm talking about, but probably have problems myself. Maybe I should see a professionally trained doctor of emotions.-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Glad you see things different now. I have worked with the mental ill ness and believe me some of them are more sane than the so call normal Have you seen the movie with Jack Nichelson As Good As It Gets? well I dated a guy similar and I had a blast because I never had a boring day with him. | |
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Posted: 12/30/2008 10:07:34 AM | Having a "mental disorder" is a very broad term.
It could mean that you have ADHD, be bi-polar, just plain dumb, or alzheimers. Look at me, I'm a newfy, that's a mental disorder on it's own.
Being diagnosed with something, and actually having it affect your life is different as well. A person could be diagnosed with ADHD, but not show symptoms on an "extreme" level compared to another person who may have it.
Would I date someone who I knew had a mental disorder???? Only if it didn't interfere with my life and our life as a couple. | |
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Posted: 12/30/2008 10:16:27 AM | | Definitely true. Imagine if the "baggage" you should be concerned about is your own. A person has to be wise in order to know themselves and others to that extent. And if they know that, they wouldn't mind dating many different kinds of people whatever their background. | |
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Posted: 12/30/2008 10:18:46 AM | I salute the Newfy, He gets it.
Funny thing about this thread. They don't care about me. I don't care about them. the world keeps a spinnin' 'round.
I don't think much of people who do this
Let's just not think of them any more. | |
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Posted: 12/30/2008 3:04:53 PM | Dear Friends,
I beg your indulgence to quote easyread's post, because it is worth repeating:
1) Mental illness is relative and the diagnostic criteria of the DSM is typically over-broad and so for a reason. In order for third-party reimbursement to apply there needs to be an Axis I Diagnosis. Labeling theory is NOT to chastise or humiliate, although that is the criticism of labeling theory, but for communication between parties, including but not limited to, mental health professionals, third party reimbursers like insurance or EAPs. It is also used for measurement of treatment interventions. So, a mental health Dx is nothing more than a set of criteria used for the purposes listed above.
While the tendency in Europe is to diagnose more strictly, since payment does not depend upon a criteria, in se, here, in order to be reimburesed, one needs the dsm-iv dx. While many tolerate the axis system as at least somewhat referential to differential criteria, few can revert to a more specific or less specific diagnosis which would only be understood after truly examing the history as the underwriter does not really care whether the patient suffers strictly from a specific disorder. In other words, the dsm has become, for many, an insurance code book, or shorthand in a broad sense. This leads to two misuses which could have serious consequences. The first is obvious, that a person seeking therapy to palliate or attenuate the difficulties we all face, perhaps magnified by some mild endogenous pathology, is then presumed to be suffering from a serious pathology. The diagnosis having been made merely to secure funding follows a person, and may eventually be used to harm. The second is similar, but more insidious. There may be strict criteria, with a prognosis of permanent disability, such as intermittent explosive disorder, which, strictly is a kind of disease of the pre-frontal cortex, but is often used to describe a series of apparently uncontrollable outburts. Imagine the heartbreak of reading the latter to mean the former, which, currently, is all but untreatable.
Many thanks to easyread for an important statement, which, if taken to heart by many, would positively benefit the state of mentla health care in the US.
Very best wishes,
C d C | |
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Posted: 12/30/2008 3:20:07 PM | Again, thanks for the "professional help"
This just keeps getting better.
Many thanks to easyread for an important statement, which, if taken to heart by many, would positively benefit the state of mentla health care in the US.
If only it was an "Easy Read." then she states:
My concern with this thread is also that OP has a distinct manner of expression consistent with judgment, exclusion, shame and degradation. The attitude is one of superiority. Your profile reeks of Narcissism (an Axis II Diagnosis). So, Mr. Pot what color is the kettle ?
Perhaps Mr Axis II, alias narcissism wasn't informed that his diagnosis was mostly to insure that the doc got paid, in laymans terms. | |
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Posted: 12/30/2008 4:41:11 PM | I dated a guy with a mental disorder one time.
He thought these invisible people were talking to him. All the time. He'd tell me what they were saying to him, and he even had these books lying around, that he said they'd written. He would TALK BACK to them. He gave them money (I have no idea what was REALLY done with all that money- but that's what he told me. I'm not sure I believe him.) He claimed that I could see and hear these invisible people too, if only I would join his church.
That's the last time I date one of those religious nutters. | |
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Posted: 12/30/2008 4:48:30 PM | lol .. i guess this is just one more think for POF to add to the profiles .. "Mental Disorders" ... so we can have another reason to reject everyone lol  | |
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Posted: 12/30/2008 5:27:46 PM | I have more than enough criteria in front of me ALREADY to reject the OP!
Pffftt!!!
This one's mental!
OP: We don't think much of you either!!! hmph!!! | |
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Posted: 12/30/2008 7:54:54 PM | | hahahahahaha, I knew when my ex self proclaimed himself "God" that I was in for it! hahahaha, plus he was a "genius" as he was "smarter than all his friends" ya, lets not forget that he could also, and solely, control the weather!! hahaha, so many diagnosises, I would just put it under "self centered a*shole!" but man, was it ever funny! As for any other mental issue, never had to deal with any more than my own, hahaha, having not dealt with them, its hard to say. | |
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Posted: 12/30/2008 11:31:24 PM | | It would depend on what kind of mental disorder it was. There are some extreme cases to which I have experienced first hand that are just not controllable therefore I would probably not date someone who had one of the more extreme disorders. But it would depend on the situation. | |
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| I don't think much of people who do this
Posted: 12/31/2008 6:34:28 AM | People have the right to choose with whom they wish to pursue a relationship. They have a right to establish their personal criteria for dating which may include a excluding certain individuals who have certain diseases, disorders, familial situations, etc.
It's really unimportant to those who have established their dating criteria that you, "don't think much of people who do this" since they would be interested in you if you don't fit their relationship criteria.
As for diagnosis, some professionals who lack ethics in order to get paid by insurance companies might record diagnosis that are worse than symptoms presented. Most (those who value their license), however, will only make diagnosis that are strongly supported by the symptoms and patient history.
Demanding that others take on the risks associated with any disorder, physical, mental, or emotional, is, in my opinion, immature and juvenile. Let's not confuse not wanting to deal with these health issues 24/7 and possible for life as lack of empathy. Human beings have a great deal of empathy and yet empathy does not require inserting oneself into a situation with which they will be unhappy and required to provide care and tolerate behaviors, moods, treatments, and interactions that impose a responsibility that do not want to hold.
Rather than playing the victim, it might be better to focus on developing own sense of self so that rejection by any person won't instigate an internal "what's wrong with me" dialogue. Instead, when rejection comes, a healthy sense of self will respond with an understanding that the potential partner is incompatible with them and has nothing to do with inferiority or flaws. They simply do not mesh.
The reality of relationship search, regardless of one's flaws is this: Some will, some won't, so what?
When it's right, it's right. You and your potential partner will know.
Best,
ACP | |
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Posted: 12/31/2008 6:45:26 AM | “Here's to the crazy ones, the misfits, the rebels, the troublemakers, the round pegs in the square holes... the ones who see things differently -- they're not fond of rules... You can quote them, disagree with them, glorify or vilify them, but the only thing you can't do is ignore them because they change things... they push the human race forward, and while some may see them as the crazy ones, we see genius, because the ones who are crazy enough to think that they can change the world, are the ones who do." By - Steve Jobs
My newest disorder today is: wow "Stupid People" I get this wierd tick, my brain starts boiling, I start feeling a little angry and want to shout SHUT UP!!!!! | |
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Posted: 12/31/2008 8:26:31 AM | There are a few thoughtful comments on the ethics of third party reimbursement and labeling theory. I think it worth saying that it is the insurance companies that require the Axis I or Multi-Axial Dx, NOT the Dr. or Psychotherapist.
The other thing is that if some one, a patient, is seeking reimbursement for help with struggle then I assume, short of intentional fraud on both Dr and Patient part, that third party reimbursement is a good thing. Most can not afford the top tier out-of-pocket expense of substantive mental health treatment ( ie. inpatient or outpatient treatment in the private practice setting ). | |
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Posted: 12/31/2008 5:58:26 PM |
My newest disorder today is: wow "Stupid People" I get this wierd tick, my brain starts boiling, I start feeling a little angry and want to shout SHUT UP!!!!!
TFF. I like it! LOL
Best and Happy New Year,
ACP | |
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Posted: 4/23/2009 4:55:32 AM |  Thank you, Irespire.
If everyone had your outlook on this subject, the world would be a better place to live in.
You are a very intelligent young man.
Keep up the great attitude.
Corrie862 | |
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