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Posted: 1/6/2006 3:32:43 AM |
Your 'Christ' also stated this:
"Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, nay, but rather division; for from henceforth there shall be five in one household divided, three
against two, and two against three. The father shall be divided against the
daughter, and the son against the father; the mother against the
daughter, and the daughter against the mother; the mother-in-law against her
daughter-in-law, and the daughter-in-law against her mother-in-
law."
Luke, 12: 51-53
Love to see you rationalize that one away.
No rationalization necessary. The division that "my Christ" referred to was the division between those who believe in love, compassion and the spiritual qualities that make the world a better place and those who prefer to follow the nihilistic, self-centred and self- indulgent teachings of such as "your Mr. LaVey", the self confessed "carnival huckster" whose philosophies can make no such claim and have long been followed by most of the world anyway as evidenced by the sorry history of that world.
"Of course, they didn't call themselves Satanists and probably never read the Satanist 'bible'."
Ahem. The Satanic Bible didn't exist during the period when the Nazi party was prominent in Germany.
No sh*t, Sherlock. I suggest you see the post above or reread the one you're making this irrelevant comment about. "Satanism" is hardly a new philosophy -- no matter what it may have been called throughout the ages long before Mr. LaVey found a modern day group of gullible souls willing to pay him for the privilege of telling them what they wanted to hear. | |
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Posted: 1/6/2006 9:23:49 AM | Very interesting thread! Taurus, you have changed my perspective of what it means to be a Satanist. Nothing like what I assumed before. That said, I have a few questions:
It seems as though Satanists don't tend to live in fear, have no desire to judge their behaviours as "bad". Does that mean that Satanists have no fear of karmic reprecussion? Do they not worry about "what goes around comes around"? I am reminded of the pagan saying "what you send out comes back three-fold". Does this rule enter the mind of a Satanist when he seeks revenge on another person? | |
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Posted: 1/6/2006 10:08:10 AM | Does that mean that Satanists have no fear of karmic reprecussion? Do they not worry about "what goes around comes around"? I am reminded of the pagan saying "what you send out comes back three-fold". Does this rule enter the mind of a Satanist when he seeks revenge on another person?
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Right.LaVey spoke at length about that in the Satanic Bible. He pretty much sneers at threefold law.He did,however speak of balance.You can get a free copy of the SB,just do a google search on Satanic Bible. | |
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Posted: 1/9/2006 12:41:50 AM | No rationalization necessary. The division that "my Christ" referred to was the division between those who believe in love, compassion and the spiritual qualities that make the world a better place and those who prefer to follow the nihilistic, self-centred and self- indulgent teachings of such as "your Mr. LaVey", the self confessed "carnival huckster" whose philosophies can make no such claim and have long been followed by most of the world anyway as evidenced by the sorry history of that world.
First off, I don't follow LaVey, so your assertion there is a straw man. I'm not a LaVeyan Satanist.
Secondly, you have misinterpreted that passage. Try again. Your above statement is cleary a projection of what you want to see, provided by later-day Christian theology.
Third, although LaVey never claimed his core ideas to be original and even lifted them from "Might makes right," Aleister Crowley, and a few grimoires, your notion that 'the sorry history of that world' follows those beliefs is pretty darn suspect.
LaVey was not a nihilist in the fatalistic sense. Self centered, certainly. Since when is being self-centered concurrent with nihilism?
No sh*t, Sherlock. I suggest you see the post above or reread the one you're making this irrelevant comment about.
You implied it in the statement you made. Or you tripped up.
"Satanism" is hardly a new philosophy -- no matter what it may have been called throughout the ages long before Mr. LaVey found a modern day group of gullible souls willing to pay him for the privilege of telling them what they wanted to hear.
As opposed to the billions poured into Christian churches on a annual basis? LaVey tapped into an audience, and made no bones about his money making. If Anton had wanted to make a substantial amount of cash, becoming an evangelist would have been much easier.
Parallel that with money grubbing Christians that claim it's for a 'higher good' yet pocket the financial gain to keep their BUSINESS of 'saving souls' running.
'Gullible souls' or a willing dissenter? It's one thing to agree with certain points of a person's philosophy, as opposed to worshipping a human being with religious tenets that aren't terribly profound either. Christ said *nothing* that can't be found in other spiritual texts. | |
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Posted: 1/9/2006 1:02:24 AM |
"The division that "my Christ" referred to was the division between those who believe in love, compassion and the spiritual qualities that make the world a better place and those who prefer to follow the nihilistic, self-centred and self- indulgent teachings of such as "your Mr. LaVey", the self confessed "carnival huckster" whose philosophies can make no such claim and have long been followed by most of the world anyway as evidenced by the sorry history of that world."
you have misinterpreted that passage. Try again. Your above statement is cleary a projection of what you want to see, provided by later-day Christian theology.
So what's your interpretation of the passage?
I'm not a LaVeyan Satanist.
What denomination of Satanism do you subscribe to and what are the differences? Here's what bothers me about any philosophy that calls itself "Satanist". There would be no reason to take such a name unless the person who named it worshipped and advocated the worship of an actual being named Satan or was in effect proposing a philosophy that was basically diametrically opposed to Christianity. Where do you fit in here? | |
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Posted: 1/9/2006 1:46:09 AM | What denomination of Satanism do you subscribe to
I don't. 'Denomination' is a rather direct term that some Satanists have no use for anyway, but I don't speak for them.
I've just studied a few things about it, and I've met individuals that called themselves as such.
and what are the differences?
I'll keep it simple for you for now.
-There are different branches of Luciferians. Some which believe Lucifer is a Gnostic/Cosmic rebel, and misprotrayed in the bible and the subject of Black Sabbath's 'N.I.B.' Others take him as an archetype. Note the middle age notion of Luciferianism is not exactly the same thing.
-The Order of the Nine Angles.
-LeVeyan Satanists.
-First Church of Satan. I haven't checked if it is defunct or not.
-Self-styled Satanists that pick and choose what they like/dislike over time.
-Gothic Satanists, a la Ihsahn of the band Emperor. Note that Gothic culture and Satanism are not mutually inclusive. Most Goths aren't inclined towards 'Satanism' as a rule. A few are, many are not.
-The cat-killing morons that are nothing more than Christian Satanists, an inversion of the religion based on 80s hysteria, fantasy, and psychological malaise.
I'm sure there are others, but that's a brief overview.
Here's what bothers me about any philosophy that calls itself "Satanist". There would be no reason to take such a name unless the person who named it worshipped and advocated the worship of an actual being named Satan or was in effect proposing a philosophy that was basically diametrically opposed to Christianity. Where do you fit in here?
Incorrect. You're seeing it through a typical Christian lens. There are various ways different Satanists perceive 'Satan,' including the symbolic embodiment of carnal man. Originally, Satan was nothing more than God's strongman (ref. Job). The serpent in the garden of Eden was not equated with The Devil or anything of the sort, and the character was taken from pre-monotheistic sources/folklore.
So what's your interpretation of the passage?
You can laugh all you want to at what I'm writing here, but there is something profoundly anti-family about it.
And after all, why didn't Jesus come to bring peace? Or could the phrase 'No Jesus, no Beast' have a certain truth to it? | |
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Posted: 1/9/2006 3:03:19 AM | There are various ways different Satanists perceive 'Satan,' including the symbolic embodiment of carnal man.
What exactly is "carnal man"?
Re the passage "I have come to bring not peace but a sword ..."
You can laugh all you want to at what I'm writing here, but there is something profoundly anti-family about it.
I'm not laughing. Certainly it could appear to be "anti-family" and it is one of the "hard sayings" of Jesus. The demands of following Jesus and totally committing oneself to the mission in life which that entails might indeed put a lot of stress on one's family. It corresponds to his other statements such as "he who loves his father or mother more than me is not worthy of me", "he who seeks to save his life will lose it but he who loses his life for my sake will gain eternal life", etc. Those kinds of strains are put on many families when one member of the family dedicates himself to a cause that the others might not feel the same way about. Did you ever see the movie "Cry Freedom" about Steve Biko and the fight against apartheid in South Africa? The character played by Kevin Kline, a white journalist sympathetic to the black cause, undertakes a dangerous mission to further that cause. In the process, his entire family comes under persecution and his wife leaves him because of it. Had the journalist submitted to the domestic pressure exerted on him in this case, his mission would have been left undone. There is no suggestion of any particular religious beliefs involved in his decision to carry it out and risk losing everything but the principle remains the same. In this case, his wife in effect became the "enemy" who might have prevented him from fulfilling his duty. That's my way of explaining this passage at least.
And after all, why didn't Jesus come to bring peace? Or could the phrase 'No Jesus, no Beast' have a certain truth to it?
I'm not quite sure what you're trying to say here. | |
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Posted: 1/12/2006 8:04:00 AM | @Taurus
I have looked online for a copy of SB to no avail. It is copyrighted, so free online copies don't exist, as far as I can tell. Do you know where to get one? | |
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Posted: 1/12/2006 9:03:49 AM | I have looked online for a copy of SB to no avail. It is copyrighted, so free online copies don't exist, as far as I can tell. Do you know where to get one?
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I saw where you could get them free (not online but you could order a copy)on a google search.You could order directly from the Church of Satan or look on Amazon.com.The CoS's website is churchofsatan.com.Lavey also wrote several other books,The Satanic Rituals,The Satanic Witch and a couple fo other collections of essays,one written posthumously,The Devil Speaks. | |
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Posted: 1/12/2006 9:25:53 AM | The commandments of Satanism are okay. Except the one about majic and destroying people who dont listen to what you say....
I believe Satanism was an attempt to give people an option other than the cultish like sexual oppression that is enforced and taught to children. Most religions teach their children to be unrealistic. Satanism is no different. However it is a much needed opposition to the cult of Abraham. | |
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Posted: 6/7/2006 2:41:59 AM | | pure bred Atheist...i don't believe in anything unless i see it for myself. Fairy tales is what the church and bible teaches you. | |
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Posted: 6/8/2006 5:36:20 AM | I used to be a Satanist.. I probably haven't practiced in about 4 years. I carry some aspects still.. which can apply to almost anyone. View yourself as your own God.. what you make of life is up to you. Don't let anyone rule over your mind... blah blah
I'm tired.. worked all night  | |
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Posted: 6/9/2006 1:37:32 PM | Why do they call it Satanism if satan doesn't EXSIST? Why do they call it Christianity, if Christ doesn't exsist?
Hello people?! | |
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Posted: 6/9/2006 1:48:05 PM |
Why do they call it Satanism if satan doesn't EXSIST? Why do they call it Christianity, if Christ doesn't exsist?
Satan is viewed as a metaphor and is seen by Satanists as symbolic of man's true carnal nature. | |
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Posted: 7/22/2006 4:56:04 PM | artandsoul said [My belief is that some who are on such a path are -- or are in the process of becoming -- downright evil. Yes, I do believe that evil exists. ]
Well, one of the major things about satanism is questioning why things labelled evil are evil. They believe that for the most part the things that Christianity labelled evil are the things that people take pleasure in. Christianity is a life denying religion and Satanism is a reversal of that. They will point out to you that live backwards is evil. | |
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Posted: 7/22/2006 5:29:32 PM | well I am a pantheist and like most if not all other "earth based religions" there is no concept of heavan or hell, no concept of the devil... I might be wrong saying that no earth based religion has a concept of satan... just that most don't . Chrisitians get confused(as if they cared to make a distinction anyway) around the word "pagan" which is an umbrella term which represents many groups... many are earth based such as wiccans, druids, ect... satanists get included in there... but unfortunately are viewed by the less informed as representing the whole group... Just shows societies ignorance and lack of respect for the earth/nature based beliefs which are the worlds original religion and most universally practiced...
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Posted: 7/22/2006 9:01:28 PM | | whats the point of worshipping whats wants your destruction? | |
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Posted: 7/23/2006 5:45:30 AM | I worship MOTHER NATURE.... And she is PISSED with George Bush these days... 
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Posted: 7/23/2006 2:31:24 PM | i don't think that satanism could be labelled an earth based religion. They take christianity and reverse it...so they say that instead of turning the other cheek, you should inact revenge -- as long as it advances your place in life. And sex is seen as something that is a personal choice...not the usual concept of orgies: but that different people have different sexual needs and that no one should be forced to conform to anyone else. LaVey actually says in the satanic bible that orgies are the epitomy of conforming | |
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Posted: 7/23/2006 5:15:16 PM | There are probably dozens of different religious belief systems and practices that have been called "Satanism." Depending the precise meaning given to the word, the total number of Satanists in the world can be anything from a few thousand to four billion individuals. Dialog on the topic is almost impossible because there is such variability in the meaning of "Satanism" and "Satanist."
In this section, we describe seven main activities which have been commonly referred to as Satanism: religious Satanism, and six forms of pseudo-Satanism -- practices that either don't exist or are unrelated to any worship of Satan as a deity.
In North America, many people use it as a general-purpose religious "snarl" word. | |
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Posted: 7/30/2006 2:49:06 AM | I think someone who praises satan and his evil ways are a satanist. Someone who does evil things because he/she believes that Satan will grant them their every desire.
As for the peircings, rock music, and tattoo's GO FOR IT... I know many christians that have peircings, tattoos and listen to Rock music.
Heck I have tattoo's and I am getting more, and I listen to rock music... dance music, all sorts of music and I still follow GOD.
Its that whole first impressions thing... which I throw right out the door when meeting people, I like to get to know someone before I say YAY or NAY 
Once again, I will quote something from the bible here...
Mat 7:1 - 6 (NIV)
1"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.
3"Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4How can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye.
6"Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and then turn and tear you to pieces.
People who truely follow god should not JUDGE people in any FORM! | |
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Posted: 8/15/2006 8:50:59 PM | Honestly I find I have the same problem..
I am Wiccan and I am Wiccan by choice.. I was born and raised in the United church so I know about God and Jesus and as a kid I was there every sunday to listen to the preacher..
for me converting to Wicca was a personal choice.. I found that the preachings of the bible didnt make sense to me and I was feeling lost.. before deciding to follow the path that I am on right now I spent hours upon hours reading and researching everything that I could get my hands on.. the good the bad and the ugly of Wicca and its beliefs and systems.. after my reading and talking to a priestess about my concerns I found that Wicca made so much more sense to me and that hole in my heart had been filled.. that was over 10 years ago now and I have never deviated from my path
Now the only problem I find are the ignorants.. those people who are so blinded by their own beliefs that they forget that they are not the only religion on the face of the planet.. I find that the first thing that I encounter when I say that I follow Wicca are people telling me that I worship the devil..
There is no Devil in the Craft.. Wicca there is no devil.. how many times do I have to repeat this before people will get the damn point? how can you worship something that you dont believe in.. I dont believe that there is a hell either so how can I be going there if I dont believe that the place exists.. yes there is good and there is evil in this world but there is also the laws of Karma.. three times three.. you will get what you give..
I believe this one thing.. Religion is not what you preach.. its actually far from that.. you can say your a good christian and preach the bible but then go out and kill someone.. its NOT what you preach but its HOW you live.. and I believe that with my whole heart.. all we need is a little bit of tolerance. I dont hold anything against anyone.. life is too short for that.. so rejoice in our differances.. thats what makes us unique
wow after saying all that.. I feel ALOT better :) | |
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Posted: 8/16/2006 2:58:17 AM | God doesnt dig tattoos, jewelry or piercings. God doesnt care for rocknroll, music of the world. He's not overly fond of people spending weekends at raves. You need to come out and be more seperate and u might find god giving u answers, not people on forums. Youre one of those luke warm christians, maybe thats all u want to mix the world and your religion but god doesnt want that at all. He wants a people that will eschew the ways of the world and not do the world on weekends then visit him on sunday, then get another tatty on wednesday.
I dont care if the tat is an angel its just not proper christianity.
ive known christians who had their tats removed and their walk was more solid than your half world half christian mentality. | |
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Posted: 8/16/2006 6:07:48 AM |
Satan is content having satanists worship him on any level just so long as u dont get real good and turn christian. So having fooled you into thinking that satan will do you good through his good parts he is content to have u live out your life knowing that god will say, "depart from me, you worker of iniquity".
Some people have a really hard time understanding the concept of Satan being a SYMBOL and not a literal being.I watched a documentary last night about Lavey and the CoS that mentioned all those things.Very interesting.
Yet folks in Fundamentalist type Christianity are so ingrained in the literalism,they can't seem to think outside the box long enough to become educated on different belief systems, so they tend to lump Wiccans,Laveyans and people who wear tats and piercings into the same category and label them all"devil worshippers". | |
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Posted: 8/19/2006 9:52:19 AM | | If you dress in all black, have the piercings all over, or the spiked collar then expect to be looked at differently. | |
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