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Posted: 8/20/2006 8:50:40 AM |
If you dress in all black, have the piercings all over, or the spiked collar then expect to be looked at differently.
People who dress in certain ways do expect to be viewed differently,that's one reason why they do it.What they're looking to avoid is being stereotyped.Much like the Harley enthusiast who may like bikes and the clothes but would share no kinship with the Outlaws or Hell's Angels. | |
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Posted: 8/20/2006 9:03:22 AM | | I hate it when people dress all different such as all black and then whine and cry about why people look at them differently and judge them. | |
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Posted: 10/12/2006 7:05:31 PM | | As I understand it "Satanism" of the Anton Levay variety is basically harmless psuedo-philosophy aiming shocking old people and rattling tradition. Its also a good excuse to sit around and get stoned. These people don't eat babies or conjur demons. | |
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Posted: 10/13/2006 12:42:32 AM | Satanism is not an opposite of Christianity - it more like a Christian sect in some sense as its views on Satan are roughly in line with the Bible's (though not the Church's).
In Christianity, much like the Christian Scriptures, Lucifer has been subject to a 'Churchianising' process to bring him into line with the views the Church wish to project. In reality, there is very little Biblical basis for the ideas of 'Satan' and 'good and evil' as commonly held. Islam has largely escaped this defamation and Satan there is a jinn - the Genie of the Arabian Nights - who in some senses is the original true obedient servant of God.
Leading Biblical academic expert Henry Ansgar Kelly has published what is perhaps the definitive account of the issue - the result of 40 years research: "Satan: A Biography":
http://www.physorg.com/printnews.php?newsid=75128924
After a rigourous examination of the evidence, Kelly concludes:
"Satan's basic intention is to uncover wrongdoing and treachery, however overzealous and unscrupulous the means. But he's still part of God's administration.....If Satan isn't really in opposition to God and he isn't really evil, then that means the fight between good and evil isn't an authentic part of Christianity,"
Here are some interesting facts:
Satan only appears three times in the Old Testament.
Lucifer only appears three times in the New Testament.
The words "Devil" and "Satan" literally mean "adversary" in Greek and Hebrew, respectively and this adversarial role is specifically assigned to Lucifer by God and the two consult on the methods required to execute it (see Book of Job) and Satan reports the results back to God.
"Satan" and "Lucifer" in the OT refer to two different entities that were later conflated. Lucifer is a direct reference to the Morning Star - ie Venus.
Jesus is also referred to as "Lucifer - the Morning Star" in the New Testament.
Nowhere in the Bible - anywhere - is the serpent in Eden identified as/with Satan. This distortion did not appear until the 2nd century CE with the work of proto-Fundie Justin of Samaria.
This is the sort of Biblical research that is really fascinating and utterly relevant to our lives even thousands of years removed from the creation of the mythos. It will take some time but with works such as this we are slowly evolving past the juvenile playground conceptions of "God". "Sin and Punishment" and "evil" which have blighted human history for so long and continue to do so even as we speak.
The truth is slowly leaking out - they can never really kill it - and I really believe we are moving on to a deep and true experience of God and the spiritual which humanity has not experienced since the days when people like Jesus and Muhammad were among us. | |
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Posted: 10/13/2006 1:29:00 PM | | I don't know anything much about this, but have respectfully wondered about the logic; Christians aspire to go to heaven, where do satanist aspire to go to? Do they call it hell or do they have another name for it? | |
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Posted: 10/13/2006 11:10:58 PM | The Church of Satan has its set of rules, see post 27.
I doubt they even believe in an after-life. | |
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Posted: 10/14/2006 2:43:13 PM | I can't stress enough that this (Le Vay's doctrine) is merely simplistic psuedo-philosophy aimed to shock people. The majority of its tenants seem intelligent enough, but many are obvious contradictions.
First of all, living in excess is never wise and only serves to make the appetite more difficult to control and appease.
Second, though people are a form of animal, our faculty of reason through language does seperate us from the majority of animals. That ability may not make us rulers of the Earth by divine right, but it does make us unique among other life forms we know of. Descartes has a wonderful argument about this in his 'Discourse on Method'. In so far as we define an animal as something governed solely by the laws of brute force and appetite, people are not animals. When a person behaves as such he is choosing to do so, a nonsentient animal has no choice or will.
Third, there is no such thing as magic, there is only the "phenomena of magic", just like there is the "phenomena of Santa Claus".
And that is just off the top of my head. Satanism of this nature is like something a couple of very articulate Goth high school kids came up with. Its limited.
When walking in open territory, bother no one. If someone bothers you, ask him to stop. If he does not stop, destroy him. With your Jedi lightsaber!!
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Posted: 2/12/2007 6:08:37 PM | My friend, I highly assume you have not experienced any of the sort. And until you do, I will take this as just your opinion and nothing more.
Cheers! | |
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Posted: 2/15/2007 8:20:46 AM |
Many people take one look at me with my piercings and my spiked collar and my rock music, and label me a Satanist. Which makes me laugh, cuz being a Satanist isnt a bad thing....if you're being a REAL satanist and not what the judeo-christians label a satanist (anyone who doesnt believe in Christ and the lord saviour). What are your thoughts on Satanism?
I love it when people use the words REAL or TRUE to define that what they believe is not false like everyone else's beliefs.
Congrats...I'm sure a bunch of REAL Christians aren't going to be thrilled with your REAL Santanism, while a bunch of REAL Atheist won't care about the bickering.
What are your thoughts on Satanism?
First you must tell us what is REAL Santanism.
What is REAL Santanism?
You've made the claim that people can be REAL Satanist...so tell us what is REAL Santanism.
My opinion of Satanism in general...let's just say I'm too selfish to believe that I could belong to these lemmings who call themselves unique. They are like sheep in wolves clothing...kinda cute, but kinda pathetic, but that's just my opinion. | |
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Posted: 2/15/2007 10:10:55 AM | What is REAL Santanism?
Real satanism i.e. Spiritual Satanism is a Pantheistic system of spiritual practices under the idea that Lucifer (which means "light bearer") is the sole benefactor of the human race having been cast out by Yahweh for sharing knowledge and DNA technology that human beings were never meant to have.They are believers in the theory of direct panspermia; in other words, humanity was placed here by genetically advanced extraterrestrial means. Supposedly, the Daemons(entities of higher realities) of the Goetia are in league with this Enki/lucifer and are working towards the advancement of human spiritual evolution. The Goal of spiritual satanism is to become immortal, joining the Daemons and Lucifer/Enki/Enlil in their higher status and to work for the elevation of other beings and the dissipation of the lie of organized religion.
Christianity Islam and Judaism are seen by spiritual satanists as a perversion or a sick joke played on humanity by a egotistical deity named Yahweh in order to keep humans as deep in ignorance and as far away from reaching immortality status as possible.
there is no black bible or dogma or doctrine required, and only a relationship with these discarnate entities is necessary as the true teachings of spiritual satanism are dictated according to the individual. its all quite intruiging really, but not my cup of tea as most spiritual satanism, especially the kind practiced by the Yezzid tribes of nothern Iraq, advocates the use of Black Magic which opens one up to all sorts of negative energetic experiences. Not to mention the satanists are under the assumption that Hebrew sorcerers(e.g king Solomon) are responsible for the imprisonment of the goetic demons and are trying to control the world which i believe is misguded. They do however pose a VERY rational argument. REAL satanism is not a religion but a spiritual system relying on the progress of the individual towards an elevated status under the guidance of Lucifer and his discarnate buddies.
if you care to read more about the Enki, the Demons, the supposed Jewish heresies, and the downfall of mankind due to an imposing deity read here: http://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpentis666/HOME.html
be warned there is a lot of anti-semitism and dangerous black magic practices contained herin that should not be taken lightly.
their idea that the bible is a scam of stolen archetypes and myths from egyptian, babylonian, greek, assyrian, and some eastern origins is quite valid. not to mention anyone can go online and look up the Skeptics Annotated Bible and see all the blatant Lies, Contradictions, Violence, Absurdities, and even examples of Homosexuality in the bible. if i were to choose i would rather be a Satanist than a Christian, but im just a good ol fashioned Tantric Buddhist and it suits me best for now. | |
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Posted: 2/15/2007 11:03:17 AM | That does sound like the kind of cobbled together mishmash of mythologies that a bunch of 18 year old Dungeons and Dragons playing kids would come up with...
Quite a bit of very loose syncretism going on and very likely none of it very effective...
Toss in a bit of Gnostic style heresy and there you go.
This particular website is just one more flavour of Satanism...but is not Church of Satan style or Setian...
And I am guessing based on the rest of thier "knowledge" - if this website is any evidence - that we have little to fear from their Goetic operations since they probably couldn't call up a dead bat ghost let alone a Goetic spirit. | |
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Posted: 2/15/2007 11:20:41 AM | | actually on the contrary some of the meditation techniques and information about the energetic system and or chakras they provide is consistent with knowledge that my teachers have imparted on me. sure a lot of their doctrine is utter nonsense, but they do have a respectable spiritual practice outlined. daily power meditation, chakra work ect. as far as the goetic daemons are concered i cant make that judgement on the effectiveness of their methods because i havent tried it or looked at the sigils in any context other than intellectual intrests. i think you need to read a little further into their texts. if you actually looked into it you would see that they arent interested in summoning demons to do their bidding(i.e. solomonic keys) or wreak havok upon the earth but for building a mentor type relationship. | |
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Posted: 2/15/2007 11:29:12 AM | Being familiar with Goetic magic to a small degree I can comfortably say that like LaVey's **stardization of Enochian in the Satanic Bible, to apply parts of a system of magic, willynilly, is a matter of garbage in garbage out. Goetia is part of a complete system of magic that, unless you actually know how to use it will render you zip for results.
If they are under the impression they can contact these spirits as "mentors" then they haven't read the fine print. That's not how they work either.
Good luck to them though. The only thing they will wreak havoc on is their daytimer. | |
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Posted: 2/15/2007 11:44:13 AM | | im also under the impression that traditionally goetic demons were summoned by mages in circles (demons HATE circles) in order to bind them and do their bidding until the demon is 'let of the hook' so to speak. that sounds a lot more harmful than trying to befriend one or ask for mentorship. im not too fond of the idea of pissing off any discarnate entities to build a temple (king solomon). | |
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Posted: 2/15/2007 11:56:30 AM | There's a whole lot about the mythology and the reality of Goetic magic that just wouldn't mesh with Satanism as such which is what caught my eye...and the King Solomon myth is of course very metaphoric. But the brass vessel is partly right...it is not a jug, but very much more likely a mirror. The "enslaving" part is purely metaphor however...
In any case, since communication with a Goetic spirit occurs under a semi-trance state for either the magus or his seer, what these folks are looking for is just not plausible, nor is the kind of direct communication a la comic books or movies...are these things real discarnate entities? Fragments of our own psyche? A bit of column A and B? Perhaps. But the amount of work required tends to discourage the punters and leave all but those dedicated to ceremonial magic from bothering so the average Satanist of any stripe isn't likely to bother.
For more on real Goetic operations I would refer you to these lovely folks www.templeofastarte.com who have been at it for some time in this era. | |
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Posted: 2/15/2007 11:59:10 AM |
f you care to read more about the Enki, the Demons, the supposed Jewish heresies, and the downfall of mankind due to an imposing deity read here: http://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpentis666/HOME.html
be warned there is a lot of anti-semitism and dangerous black magic practices contained herin that should not be taken lightly.
There's also a group that has a site,The Joy of Satan.They claim the spiritual Satanism you speak of and are quite Anti Semetic.I found them intriguing as well,but I get uncomfortable around Anti Semetic sympathies as I have many Jewish friends and don't share their prejudices. | |
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Posted: 2/15/2007 2:46:44 PM | templeofastarte.com
nice one. that guy seems to have quite a lot of teachings under his belt, the Kalachakra initiation that he has undergone is nothing short of impressive. good stuff, thanks for that.
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Posted: 2/15/2007 5:09:28 PM | | Very well said.Very informative without the glorifacation,I think you made God sound cool.I think the world needs to see God as cool. | |
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Posted: 2/15/2007 5:19:26 PM | | I like tatoos,my favorit colour is black,I love the lord very much.All of these things includeing my love for Jesus are considered different,It gets crazy,billions of people in the world not one the same yet we set standards.If the kid,guy ,woman sees a tat as art and an expression let it be,when we as peolpe set a boundary we also automatically set uorselves up as the judge juror and exacutioner.Still it all gets crazy,and its too deep for us as mankind to understand,all we need to understand is love,with this simple yet difficult to operate tool we can live together. | |
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Posted: 3/4/2007 7:02:30 PM | I agree with you on that one. People should be held accountable for their actions. Not "Oh it was God's will, etc, blah, blah, blah..." That's complete BS. That kind of thinking is for people looking for an escape from punishment/accountablility.
I believe in an eye for an eye. I think revenge is the greatest sense of gratification you can get. In my opinion any ways... | |
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Posted: 3/26/2008 4:36:31 PM | | Satanism is the only religion that makes sence. It is not based on "Summoning" demon's, it is based towards mans natural instinct and way of life, mankind are animals. There is absolutly nothing evil about Satanism, Satan has remained the gentalman all these years as religions have shouted insults to him. The Christians and other religions tell people what they can and can't do. You can't do that because it's a "SIN" bull crap... All other religions are about controling their followers, and it also puts "FEAR" into the followers. example. If you sin and don't go to church for confession you'll "burn and be tortured for eternity" , but of course God still loves you, you will NOT roast in Hell or be tortured. If you look closely all of the sin's are things the comes NATURALLY to humans. Also Satanists DON'T rape, molest,etc we will not do anything against another persons will, we also don't Sacrifice babies and cut their heads off, I strongly recommend reading about Satanism before judging it, I'm a Satanist... Shemhamforash! Hail Satan! | |
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Posted: 3/26/2008 4:51:01 PM | to see about Satanism read about:
Anton Szandor LaVey
The Church of Satan
The Satanic Bible
and other things you feel that fit into the Catagory... | |
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Posted: 3/26/2008 5:05:24 PM | Satanism is NOT a spiritual religion
the second Satanic Statement:
"Satan represents vital existence, instead of spiritual "pipe dreams"
from the nine Satanic statements, page 25 of the Satanic Bible | |
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Posted: 3/27/2008 3:25:28 AM | i am not a Satanist, but i do have a religion/philosophy that seems to generate the same response as a satanist. as a Thelemite, i have recieved much flack over the years.
it would amaze many poeple on this forum and other christian forums that the things they practice everyday are considered "occult."
deep prayer, meditation, reiki, therapeutic touch, esoteric healing, stone massage, tarot/fairy/totem animal cards are all considered "occult." these are all things that soccer moms and and angry divorcees alike LOVE to soak up and take part in. they all must be occultists?
93 Drummer666, i wonder if anyone here knows the signifigance behind 666? what it means? or more specifically, what it does not mean! | |
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Posted: 3/27/2008 2:48:30 PM | the meaning of 666 is,
In the 16th centery a scientist discovered how to sell his soul to the devil, by signing a contract after 6 hours 6 minutes and 6 seconds is up the devil becomes the rightful owner of your soul. Of course though it is not required to sell your soul to become a Satanist. Satanism is a life-loving religion, however though our lives are based on the CARNAL side of man. For a great amount of info on Satanism you can visit, http://www.thechurchofsatan.com , Alot of people believe we use tarot cards but the Satanist actually does not use tarot. Christianity and Satanism are complete opposits to, this is because the "coin" is flipped around Satanism is the "left hand path" and all other's are the "right hand path" | |
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