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| Why is it now wrong to be homophobic ?
Posted: 12/31/2008 2:16:42 AM |
what is so wrong with being homophobic ?
Nothing.....as long as it isn't manifested in any way that might cause physical harm.
A bigot is a person intolerant of opinions, lifestyles, and identities, that don't match their own. Ergo the person crying "bigot" is, more often than not, in the proverbial glass house, throwing stones!
That is so true! 'Bigotry' works both ways, as we have seen on these forums every night, but the ones who bandy such accusations are just as 'bigoted' as their targets. | |
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| Why is it now wrong to be homophobic ?
Posted: 12/31/2008 2:26:31 AM | Im not Hobophobic at all..................
I really dont have a problem with Gays of either sex... As long as they dont do anything around me, as i really feel uncomfortable seeing it!!
But what they do behind their own front door is entirly up to them!! | |
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KBGB
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Joined: 11/1/2008
Msg: 53 | |
| Why is it now wrong to be homophobic ?
Posted: 12/31/2008 3:01:08 AM | The subject matter isn't the problem, you are narrow minded, thats all.
By your rationale, OP, if a black man, disabled man, or, god forbid a woman had been the cause of such terrible workplace trauma you suffered, flaunting their blackness, disability or femininity in your face, it would have been a different direction for your prejudice.
Lets have a bit of analysis here.
You should be aware that the huge majority of homophobes hold secret homosexual urges, usually deeply buried, and the self-resentment manifests itself in various ways, but most classically violence against the very thing you wish to be. You hate your own fears, the worry that on some level you may want to get jiggy with big hairy guys, I pity your self-loathing.
Knowing you're prejudices, you enter the 'lions den' (with lovely purple velvet trim) and end up causing physical violence to somebody who is part of a community that you despise. I'd call it bullying, another thing to pity you for. Oh, the delicious irony if you had been locked up for assault (which I doubt even happened, but you need to drive home your machismo to the other alpha chappies on the forum) then butt raped in prison by a guy who was temporarily gay by reason of incarceration. Maybe it would have opened your eyes, and other places too. 
Open your mind, let people live their lives as they wish, and stop being such a**** | |
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| Why is it now wrong to be homophobic ?
Posted: 12/31/2008 3:06:03 AM | As with any phobia(fear) the best way to get over it is to face it.
OP I would suggest going back to the gay club during the day and actually talking to a few gay people.....You'll soon realise that all that they are are people....Just different to you and nothing to be afraid of.
Once you get over this fear you'll not give a sh!t about them or what they get up to 
On a side note: I seem to attract the attention of gay men and have had drinks bought for me on a few occations by total strangers.
It really makes you appreciate the power women have over such gullible creatures 
And noooooo, I'm not gay.
All that hair & dangly bits....ewwwwwwww
What the hell do women see in us men? | |
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| Why is it now wrong to be homophobic ?
Posted: 12/31/2008 3:14:09 AM | Ok how about forgetting the PC “Equal Opportunities” for now.
We are not all equal.
How about adopting an anti bias attitude, ergo we challenge prejudices, if someone has a strong personal attitude or conviction that they have considered carefully then that’s down to them.
I admit I have prejudices and attitudes but if any of these came close to being a Phobia i.e. an irrational fear I would start to be concerned.
*So perhaps the OP should focus on dealing with his phobia instead of its focus. It might just make him happier.*
edit/\/\/\/\ **as you said goodman | |
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| Why is it now wrong to be homophobic ?
Posted: 12/31/2008 3:15:52 AM | I just plain think its wrong , and dont like them.
i was forced to work with the vilest most disgusting representative of the gay fraternity that ive ever met.
i had some gay cu*t pinch my ass , and i turned round and knocked him out.
Just look at the bile coming from you. Why do you think people attack you for your beliefs? It's because you come across like a violent, aggressive, dimwitted thug. I think most people would have trouble empathizing with you if you said you don't like acid rain.
Personally I will never agree with someone who hates and discriminates against an entire group of people for irrational reasons, but someone said earlier in the thread, words to the effect of: "there is nothing wrong with being homophobic if your beliefs don't offend or effect anyone else". While I don't entirely agree with that, it is a much more sensible way to live your life.
I just wanted to ask, do you also dislike ethnic minorities? It just seems that your reasons for disliking homosexuals comes from a similar logic to that which a lot of racists hold, ie: "I had a bad experience with 1 (insert minority group here) so now I hate them all".
I mean, Fred West and Peter Sutcliffe were straight white males, does that mean we should all be tarred with the same brush?
Its a sad state of affairs when what was once subversive , are now seen as the media darlings
We had this discussion yesterday on another thread. Homosexuality hasn't always been seen as subversive, and it isn't now. It's just certain people that want to make it so. Also, in the past blacks, women and the working classes have also been seen as second class citizens but are now, as you put it 'media darlings'. Do you think those beliefs should also be reinstated? | |
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| Why is it now wrong to be homophobic ?
Posted: 12/31/2008 3:20:38 AM |
You should be aware that the huge majority of homophobes hold secret homosexual urges, usually deeply buried, and the self-resentment manifests itself in various ways, but most classically violence against the very thing you wish to be.
Can you please give evidence to support this hogwash? I have never in my life heard such utter crap like the above quoted statement. Try answering these questions by giving specific data and stating where your data comes from.
How many homophobes are there in the U.K.?
What is this "huge" percentage actually?
Can you state the names of the people who provided these figures you quoted and also what their qualifications are?
Or do you wish to admit that you pulled that statement out of thin air and put it in writing because you thought that nonsense would support what you said?
On second thoughts, don't bother.....we all know it's BS. | |
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| Why is it now wrong to be homophobic ?
Posted: 12/31/2008 3:31:04 AM | You should be aware that the huge majority of homophobes hold secret homosexual urges, usually deeply buried
Aw man, I am on the non-homophobe team too, but it just undermines the winning argument when people come out with stupid statements like this. | |
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KBGB
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Joined: 11/1/2008
Msg: 59 | |
| Why is it now wrong to be homophobic ?
Posted: 12/31/2008 3:37:21 AM |
Can you please give evidence to support this hogwash? I have never in my life heard such utter crap like the above quoted statement. Try answering these questions by giving specific data and stating where your data comes from.
How many homophobes are there in the U.K.?
What is this "huge" percentage actually?
Can you state the names of the people who provided these figures you quoted and also what their qualifications are?
Or do you wish to admit that you pulled that statement out of thin air and put it in writing because you thought that nonsense would support what you said?
On second thoughts, don't bother.....we all know it's BS.
LOL, take it up with the University of Georgia, and maybe educate yourself a little before opening thy loud mouth and spouting your ignorance, go on, it doesn't hurt, I promise!
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=cy-7AoxFEJA | |
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| Why is it now wrong to be homophobic ?
Posted: 12/31/2008 3:38:32 AM | On second thoughts, don't bother.....we all know it's BS
Well I would rather you did not speak for me, FF12GM, (does the GM stand for Genetically Modified?)
I do not think that it is BS, in fact I know it is not and you can find plenty of evidence for men (and women) who are struggling with their sexual identity/sexuality by doing some research on the Internet. Additionally, both Kinsey and Masters & Johnson have a fair amount to say about the subject. You can start with Wikipedia, and follow the excellent references from there.
These troubled people become some of the worst critics and persecutors of gays and lesbians. It has been well documented. All you have to do is take the time to look!
I am not sure if it is fair to say that it is the HUGE majority of homophobes, but it is certainly a significant factor.
I suggest you also do a little background research of the definitions and recorded cases of Hate Crimes!
More generally, it seems that many on here expressing homophobic attitudes might like to understand their situation. This is just one place to start:
http://www.teachernet.gov.uk/wholeschool/sexualhealthandorientation/homophobia/
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This post is the source of information needed to answer MSG 72 below !!!! | |
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| Why is it now wrong to be homophobic ?
Posted: 12/31/2008 3:51:25 AM |
LOL, take it up with the University of Georgia, and maybe educate yourself a little before opening thy loud mouth and spouting your ignorance, go on, it doesn't hurt, I promise!
A test with 64 people split into 2 groups will not give accurate results. The sample is far too small. Oh yeah, I said UK, not USA. | |
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| Why is it now wrong to be homophobic ?
Posted: 12/31/2008 3:54:29 AM |
You should be aware that the huge majority of homophobes hold secret homosexual urges, usually deeply buried, and the self-resentment manifests itself in various ways, but most classically violence against the very thing you wish to be.
Really?
And on what evidence is this BS based?
If it's 'deeply buried', does that mean that the homophobes don't even know it themselves?
So how would others learn that it exists within them? | |
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*kath*
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Joined: 9/30/2008
Msg: 63 | |
| Why is it now wrong to be homophobic ?
Posted: 12/31/2008 4:00:31 AM |
A few years ago , i was forced to work with the vilest most disgusting representative of the gay fraternity that ive ever met.
He spoke with a camp accent , at the top of his voice , and talked about his exploits with men , at the top of his voice , in full earshot of everyone in the office.
None of the straight men in the office liked him , but he was the bosses blue-eye , and when we were left in his charge one day , he split us all up and had us sitting at opposite ends of an empty office , because he was in charge and revelled in the power.
We refused to work , because of the attitude with which he spoke to us.
To cut a long story short , i got sacked because of this absolute fu*king tosser
Did you get sacked as a direct result of this persons actions at work or did you get sacked because of your reaction to him?.
Do you think that if he was the annoying hetrosexual blue eyed office boy you would have reacted to his actions differently?.
It really has come full circle , and its the homophobe who is being attacked now , rather than the gays who have won the hearts of the nation , thanks to the media bombardment from pop culture and the media.
lots of things have changed over the years,things that at a certain time nobody would have believed possible such as black/white intergration and even women voting,for the majority these are seen as a change for the better so why should homosexuality being more readily accepted as part of todays society be any different?.
If you really cannot accept homosexuality then fine that is your perogative but it would be wise to think about how you choose to handle that,pooring hatred onto something wont make it go away but it can make you a very bitter person. | |
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| Why is it now wrong to be homophobic ?
Posted: 12/31/2008 4:07:00 AM |
More generally, it seems that many on here expressing homophobic attitudes might like to understand their situation.
I have no need to be told about "understanding" my situation. I happen to find same sex relationships sickening. I have no underlying psychological problem concerning homosexuality, I just don't like it and don't want it flaunted in my face. That is the reason why I have no gay friends. What people do in private is up to them, I just don't want to know about it. | |
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KBGB
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Joined: 11/1/2008
Msg: 65 | |
| Why is it now wrong to be homophobic ?
Posted: 12/31/2008 4:07:42 AM | OK, the report says a 'significant' amount, I use the term 'huge' majority, so slay me. The fact remains that the statistics show the denial levels are surprisingly high.
Its curious, the human psyche and self image. When the homophobes were sat with an erection, (visible & mechanically detectable) after watching homosexual activity, they STILL denied any stimulation. {from the above posted youtube video for our source/reference hounds}
So, by an intial denial in the OPs post, and the 'I know what you'll say' attitude, are we starting to see some correlation yet? Is it clear enough? Young man, theres a place you can go...
EDIT: Because most people are liberated enough and comfortable enough with their own feelings about their and others sexuality, they feel no need to start such a thread as this. Knowing the general reaction that would be received, it does kind of indicate some people are more masochistic than they may think. Not truly knowing oneself is the sadness ignorance of all. | |
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| Why is it now wrong to be homophobic ?
Posted: 12/31/2008 4:08:57 AM | Msg 74... FF12GM .. That is fine, if you do not wish to be immersed in homosexual culture then avoid places designed and catering to homosexuals, you live how you wish and they live how they wish and never the twain should meet....
I think what a lot of people are opposed to on this thread is the fact that the OP knowingly went into a gay club and then belted a gay man for being gay and daring to touch another man in a club designed for men to attract and meet other men...
Don't go into the lions den if you don't want to be eaten by the lions!!!
Oh and I still want to know if hot and steamy girl on girl action is as sickening to the 'homophobes' on here as some squidgy guy guy goings on... | |
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| Why is it now wrong to be homophobic ?
Posted: 12/31/2008 4:17:29 AM | You should be aware that the huge majority of homophobes hold secret homosexual urges, usually deeply buried, and the self-resentment
Equally does this then mean that gay rights extremists like Peter Tatchell harbour secret hetrosexual urges ??
Are all non tolerant countries , cultures and religions where homosexuality is not accepted therefore closet gays ?
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*kath*
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Joined: 9/30/2008
Msg: 68 | |
| Why is it now wrong to be homophobic ?
Posted: 12/31/2008 4:19:37 AM |
Oh and I still want to know if hot and steamy girl on girl action is as sickening to the 'homophobes' on here as some squidgy guy guy goings on...
Nah the girl on girl thing will be seen as an erotic turn on,its the men having to go via the poo pipes thats seemingly the problem..It's all about the disgust factor. | |
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KBGB
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Joined: 11/1/2008
Msg: 69 | |
| Why is it now wrong to be homophobic ?
Posted: 12/31/2008 4:20:37 AM |
Equally does this then mean that gay rights extremists like Peter Tatchell harbour secret hetrosexual urges ??
I reckon you might be right Mac. We are indeed one bunch of screwed up puppies.
Intelligent Race? Yer having a laugh! | |
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| Why is it now wrong to be homophobic ?
Posted: 12/31/2008 4:23:34 AM | @ Msg 75
Hey, I don't dispute that some deny their sexual tendencies and try to cover it up by being aggressive. What I disputed was this "Huge Majority" that you spoke about. I wanted to see the data but a couple of minutes of video on youtube with a small group just doesn't cut it with me. The only data given was by mouth and there was no independent verification which makes the test meaningless as some of the data could well have been falsified. I'm not saying it was, I'm just saying that the "results" are not reliable. You show me data concerning thousands of people with full details of all tests, qualifications of the people doing the tests and independent verification and then I will be more than happy to accept you are correct. But you can't because that kind of data just isn't there to support this "Huge Majority" you talk about!
Oh and I still want to know if hot and steamy girl on girl action is as sickening to the 'homophobes' on here as some squidgy guy guy goings on...
@ Msg 76
Homosexual/Lesbian....it's all the same to me. I don't like either. | |
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| Why is it now wrong to be homophobic ?
Posted: 12/31/2008 4:24:52 AM | Well....
"Gay"...an old word meaning happy, which, having a penis inserted into my anus several times until it ejaculated (into my anus) would certainly not make me happy, though no doubt would make someone else happy....
Someone said here regarding walking into a homosexual bar that one should not be surprised or indeed expect to have ones bottom pinched...Well, using this reasoning, then one would find this to be expected and acceptable in a "straight" bar, where I can go up to any lady and fully be accpeted and acceptable to pinch her bottom and if she protests, then I can simply say, "what do you expect walking into a straight bar?"...
Another thing said by a few people in this thread, what they do behind closed doors is their business...This I feel, is very true (though very much to a certain degree...Child sex would not be acceptable under Western Laws, and beastiality aswell, though sex with your washing maching may be a grey area)...The thing is, having watched a "gay pride parade" the lude and public showing of nudity (which is against the law to straights it would seem) I would say this is not "behind closed doors" and "in ones own bedroom" and so then this statement would be nullified in application....The fact is, it is thrown in ones own face, and if one objects one is accused of "homophobia" and at the least one would expect a visit from the thought Police (as has been documented in the press) or indeed prosecuted (as has been done in the U.S, a case which is appearing as we speak)...Being forced to attend these parades in support even if you are not, is disgusting and if you think not, well, let's turn that on it's head...Imagine a homosexual person being told they have to attend a "straight pride parade"?
Another thing which bothers me, is why aren't there condemnations of a certain sexist and homophobic religion here in their thread and indeed forum?
Having worked with a few homosexuals, encouraging one to "come out" and tell his family (to positive results) I feel I might have some insight, though not generally comprehensive, so if my views offend or are erronious, "tough"....
Having a closed mind is not really a good answer, for instance, would the world have a closed mind if it couldn't accept a person's sexual preferences in regards to children or their donkey?... | |
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| Why is it now wrong to be homophobic ?
Posted: 12/31/2008 4:25:41 AM |
I have no need to be told about "understanding" my situation. I happen to find same sex relationships sickening. I have no underlying psychological problem concerning homosexuality, I just don't like it and don't want it flaunted in my face. That is the reason why I have no gay friends. What people do in private is up to them, I just don't want to know about it.
Nothing more pathetic than a closed mind!
As I assume you have not participated in a same sex relationship, you should really say that your concept and understanding of those relationships makes you sick! So your problem is, indeed, internal.
How do you know that none of your friends are gay? Do you monitor their sexual activities? LOL
I am prepared to bet that any gays who know you will not let you know they are gay because of your entrenched attitude.
How on earth did you deal with discovering the world was round? | |
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| Why is it now wrong to be homophobic ?
Posted: 12/31/2008 4:31:39 AM |
A test with 64 people split into 2 groups will not give accurate results. The sample is far too small. Oh yeah, I said UK, not USA.
Is anyone else around here thinking 'denial, denial, denial' - or is it just me? | |
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| Why is it now wrong to be homophobic ?
Posted: 12/31/2008 4:35:26 AM | @ Msg 82
That's where you are wrong. I am not closed minded. I look at the situation, evaluate what is going on, what the pros and cons are etc. etc. and then reach my own conclusion concerning the matter at hand. I have evaluated same sex relationships and have come up with the answer no! This decision wasn't taken in twenty minutes, it was done over years of watching homosexuality come out from behind closed doors into the open where everyone could see it. I watched it "come out" and decided that I didn't like what I saw and so rejected it. That to me is far from having a closed mind.
Is anyone else around here thinking 'denial, denial, denial' - or is it just me?
It's just you. | |
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| Why is it now wrong to be homophobic ?
Posted: 12/31/2008 4:39:20 AM | Is anyone else around here thinking 'denial, denial, denial' - or is it just me?
Nah, if you read my posts I am firmly with the non-homophobic team but I don't think that such a small study can be conclusive proof of anything. It's no more than anecdotal evidence.
Subversive has posted links and references to some far more serious and weighty sources, which would be worth looking at, but I don't that a 64 person study is neither here nor there.
I know it's probably a bit of a romantic idea and hardly scientific, but I think some of the people on here should try reading a book such as Radclyffe Hall's The Well of Loneliness to get an idea of how normal and genuine a same sex relationship can be. It would help people to understand that everyone deserves a chance to give and receive love without being persecuted. | |
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