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| Why is it now wrong to be homophobic ?
Posted: 12/31/2008 4:48:13 AM | I know it's probably a bit of a romantic idea and hardly scientific, but I think some of the people on here should try reading a book such as Radclyffe Hall's The Well of Loneliness to get an idea of how normal and genuine a same sex relationship can be. It would help people to understand that everyone deserves a chance to give and receive love without being persecuted.
Two points.
First, I neither want to nor need to read any book telling me whether a relationship is normal or genuine or not.
Second, I do not persecute homosexuals. I have nothing against the people, I just don't like what they do. I say live and let live as long as they keep to themselves and not try to push their ideals onto me. Everyone can go on and on about this subject but it will not change my views concerning same sex relationships. They are set in stone now. If people want that kind of relationship then that's fine with me, they are free to choose, but it won't stop me disliking what they are doing. | |
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| Why is it now wrong to be homophobic ?
Posted: 12/31/2008 4:56:03 AM | lol... well yeah, I was perhaps being a little flippant in my remarks. But I think my reasoning stands. Our poster claims to have studied the situation over a number of years and reached a reasoned conclusion - but that's all he says... I've seen little evidence of his reasoning so far.
And in reply to the remarks regarding overly camp homosexuals - I think the reasons behind such behaviour may warrant closer inspection. Why is it, do you think, that these people behave in such a way? And I think the answer is really very simple. These people are fed up of being hated and reviled by others for just being themselves - they are tired of trying to be accepted for who and what they are and so they've come to the conclusion that the best defence is an attack - and they flaunt their sexuality in your face. [not literally obviously...lol] and it's reached the point now where it's an integral part of their culture.
I'm afraid all you homophobes have made this bed yourselves - and now you have to lie in it. | |
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| Why is it now wrong to be homophobic ?
Posted: 12/31/2008 4:59:31 AM |
I'm afraid all you homophobes have made this bed yourselves - and now you have to lie in it.
what all together, in the same bed?  | |
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| Why is it now wrong to be homophobic ?
Posted: 12/31/2008 5:01:00 AM |
I'm afraid all you homophobes have made this bed yourselves - and now you have to lie in it.
No I don't! I have chosen to ignore these people and not put myself in any position where I come into contact with them socially. I don't give them grief and they give me none. | |
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| Why is it now wrong to be homophobic ?
Posted: 12/31/2008 5:03:45 AM |
I have chosen to ignore these people and not put myself in any position where I come into contact with them socially.
what completely? do you not go out then? | |
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| Why is it now wrong to be homophobic ?
Posted: 12/31/2008 5:24:37 AM | "Don't like gays? Your loss. Fancy deciding you 'hate' a whole section of society based on their bedroom activities. How sad is that?"
So paedophilia and beastiality is ok then?
Haven't considered sticking my penis in anyones anus, be it male or female, young or of another species (be it mammalian or reptilian)...don't think I will either....But as I said, might be enjoyable to some, but not me....I don't understand the desire and don't particularly want to (male, female, young, or of another species)....
Strange as it seems, watching girl on girl is somewhat of urn on, though not neccessarily so all cases, this could be construed as hypocritical, but it's simply men don't turn me on, nothing nefarious in that...
One other observation that disturbs me, all this bellitling talk and labelling is just a simple way of stifling all oppositoin to another persons opinion and is really no basis for argument, i see this on this forum quite often....
To see the wider picture of what is going on in our society, would you be offended and lack any understanding if you where to witness say, a paedophilia parade,or a bestiality parade, where persons engage in lewd acts with children or donkeys in full public view (never mind behind closed doors and in their own private bedrooms)?...Having witnessed a "gay parade" this is indeed what goes on...I am very interested to know your views you humble and "understanding of other persons lifetyles" kinda folk.... | |
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| Why is it now wrong to be homophobic ?
Posted: 12/31/2008 5:46:48 AM | Well, I am shocked. I would expect these sort of posts from a select few, but certainly not yourself.
If you don't want to be gay. Fine.
If you don't want to associate with gay people. Whatever.
However, If you don't want to be around gay people, then DON'T go to gay bars.
I think it was rather foolish you being sacked because you didn't like a certain man, I dread to think what it was you did or said.
I would absoloutely LOVE for you to walk just one day in their shoes, and have the looks, the insults, and even violence directed towards them, for something they have no choice over.
I hope you raise your little girl to be more openminded!
What about lesbians? I bet you wouln't mind taking a couple to bed with you, would you?!
You know what, you should be attacked for being homophobic, for ranting on forums about it, AND for knocking out a guy who pinched your bum. Well, you're own stupid fault for going into a gay bar in the first place!!
You won't win any fans here, and you won't be doing yourself any favours.
I for one, am certainly disappointed. I held you in a much higher regard, before this post.
Shame really... | |
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| Why is it now wrong to be homophobic ?
Posted: 12/31/2008 5:52:32 AM |
Someone said here regarding walking into a homosexual bar that one should not be surprised or indeed expect to have ones bottom pinched...Well, using this reasoning, then one would find this to be expected and acceptable in a "straight" bar, where I can go up to any lady and fully be accpeted and acceptable to pinch her bottom and if she protests, then I can simply say, "what do you expect walking into a straight bar?
Fair point ... Perhaps he shouldn't have had his bum pinched ... But and this is the crux of the whole problem with the OP's attitude ...
Protestations are slightly different to ....
During the course of the night , i had some gay cu*t pinch my ass , and i turned round and knocked him out.
If a woman ever did that to a guy just because she had been goosed I'd think it just as idiotic an overreaction to what is essentially a (thoughtless and archaic) compliment.... | |
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| Why is it now wrong to be homophobic ?
Posted: 12/31/2008 6:03:28 AM |
The thing is, having watched a "gay pride parade" the lude (sic) and public showing of nudity (which is against the law to straights it would seem) I would say this is not "behind closed doors" and "in ones own bedroom"
Having attended several gay pride events (two as a participant) I have yet to witness any nudity. Granted I did see two or three gentlemen who werent really appropriately dressed for the weather but the same could really be said for the young (often VERY young) ladies one might encounter any saturday night in town. <img src=http://www.plentyoffish.com/smiles/icon_201.gif border=0>
Being forced to attend these parades in support even if you are not, is disgusting and if you think not, well, let's turn that on it's head...Imagine a homosexual person being told they have to attend a "straight pride parade"?
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| Why is it now wrong to be homophobic ?
Posted: 12/31/2008 6:05:02 AM | I once saw a documentary on TV, many years ago, where they studied a two groups of guys, all straight.
The first group were guys who said they quite certain they wouldn't be turned on by seeing two guys have sex.
The second group were guys who said it didn't bother them either way.
They showed both groups straight and gay male porn. They hooked them all up to monitors, inclulding a lie detector type monitor and asked them questions about whether they found what they were seeing arrousing or not etc. There were the obvious signs of course.
The majority of those who said no to being arroused by men having sex, lied each and every time . Some even denied the scientific evidence!
From that moment I came up with the word 'homomoment', when a man suddenly realises, that although straight, he is actually turned on by men having sex, or to put it another way, anyone having sex! | |
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| Why is it now wrong to be homophobic ?
Posted: 12/31/2008 6:14:15 AM | Msge 96....Guess you have no idea of irony then....?
"One other observation that disturbs me, all this bellitling talk and labelling is just a simple way of stifling all opposition to another persons opinion and is really no basis for argument, i see this on this forum quite often...."
Again i ask of you humble and tolerant people here:
To see the wider picture of what is going on in our society, would you be offended and lack any understanding if you where to witness say, a paedophilia parade,or a bestiality parade, where persons engage in lewd acts with children or donkeys in full public view (never mind behind closed doors and in their own private bedrooms)?...Having witnessed a "gay parade" this is indeed what goes on...I am very interested to know your views you humble and "understanding of other persons lifetyles" kinda folk....
One thing you might want to consider, though judging from past experience with this thread and forum you won't, but i will try: the restraints in our present society dictates that we acknowledge and indeed are forced to accept mainstream homosexual activities, whereas in the recent past it wasn't accepted maintream...now this may or may not be moral (I am not judging here) but if society's morals are wrong, then consider this, it was once fully acceptable in the past and in another society (one which most of our basic morals and laws are based on) that it was acceptable to engage in sexual acts with children, and in the arena it was acceptable to commit wholesale human butchery on a large scale, as well as viweing bestiality, though not sure about the viewers engaging in the sade act of beastiality....
Do you have an opinion regarding that my dear humble and understanding of others views folk?
msge 99...no not a gun, but something else: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=84821
And btw, it has been done in this country.... | |
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| Why is it now wrong to be homophobic ?
Posted: 12/31/2008 6:15:41 AM | From that moment I came up with the word 'homomoment', when a man suddenly realises, that although straight, he is actually turned on by men having sex, or to put it another way, anyone having sex!
I can hand on heart say that I would not find a couple of haired assed blokes up each other the least bit of a turn on and the closest thing to a homomoment I have is when a woman is either rimming me or has her finger stuck up my ass !!
Mac some of these guys probably said the same thing.
The monitor told otherwise ;)
Then It must be true and I am indeed a screaming queen thats been stuck so far in his closet all these years that I've been hiding in Narnia !!
Ahhhhhh how liberating !!
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| Why is it now wrong to be homophobic ?
Posted: 12/31/2008 6:27:04 AM |
I still want to know if hot and steamy girl on girl action is as sickening to the 'homophobes' on here
Call me strange, but I genuinely find 'lesbian scenes' utterly dull - I have never in my life desired a menage a trois either...just dead happy being with one sexy woman
BUT,
It must be said, 99% of 'lesbian scenes' whether on video or in a strip club are performed by two heterosexual, good looking (or at least ish) women, and it is usually just an act, to please an audience
Actual lesbians (with perhaps a very rare exception that I have certainly yet to encounter) are ugly, masculine freaks who no man on earth would wish to watch 'in action'
Just for clarification purposes all - too many people get confused on this one | |
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| Why is it now wrong to be homophobic ?
Posted: 12/31/2008 6:28:20 AM | ^^ The lesbian ladies who have messaged me on here have been without a doubt stunning, I've not been approached by one single butch dyke style woman...
Msg 101.. No I do not agree with homosexuality being forced upon those who do not enjoy it or the company of those who do enjoy it.. Nothing other than the law should be enforceable ..
Seriously though, can you honestly say you have ever been forced to endure a homosexual show? Or anything that can be deemed homosexual because I don't believe I ever have... If there is a gay kiss or sex scene on TV, turn over.. If you see gay men in a club or on the street, turn away... If there is a Gay Pride march, arrange to be elsewhere that day ... Simple enough really ..
If you dislike homosexuality that is your prerogative .. I would not expect you to like it at all .. You don't have to even tolerate it, you can choose to avoid it as much as is humanly possible, if the situation is unavoidable ( and I really cannot imagine situation where you would be unavoidably embroiled in overt homosexuality) then politely express your discomfort and leave .. Or if this 'travesty of nature' is occurring on your doorstep, ask them to leave... You can be intolerant of a lifestyle choice without the need to be overly aggressive towards those who partake of that activity...
The problem I still have, is that the OP actively sought out a venue geared towards homosexuals and then complained and called a guy a gay c unt and knocked him out...
There is a world of difference between intolerance and actively seeking out those which you abhor then beating them for being that very thing ...
vv How can you say that? Have you spoken to any of them? Do you know any of them? I have met two of these ladies at a meet night and they were most definitely 100% lesbian and also extremely lovely looking... I don't understand your logic???
Are you trying to say that only ugly women who can't get men are lesbian?? Oh and I know a gay guy who is more masculine and butch than 99% of all straight men I know... There are exceptions to every rule, even daft ones made up on the spur of the moment ... | |
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| Why is it now wrong to be homophobic ?
Posted: 12/31/2008 6:33:00 AM | ^^ The lesbian ladies who have messaged me on here have been without a doubt stunning
They are not lesbians hun, see what I mean about the confusion...9/10, they were probably under instructions from their husband/boyfriend to bring home some bacon
For the aforementioned menage a trois
Just to add a littel bit more to my point, please consider this - a lesbian, is basically the polar opposite of a gay man
Wheras gay men are famous for being clean, smart, well dressed, well groomed and perhaps sometimes 'pretty' (not to me, I must add), they are very similar to females
Lesbians on the other hand are like us lads - usually in need of a bath and a shave lol
I have met two of these ladies at a meet night and they were most definitely 100% lesbian and also extremely lovely looking...
They were not 'lesbians', trust me.
Are you trying to say that only ugly women who can't get men are lesbian?? Oh and I know a gay guy who is more masculine and butch than 99% of all straight men I know... There are exceptions to every rule, even daft ones made up on the spur of the moment ...
No I'm not, I never suggested that, I'm sure there are plenty of less-than-gorgeous women who struggle to find men but who would love to - regarding your gay friend, yes, there are exceptions, and if you go back to my earlier post I accepted that there would be 'one off' beautiful lesbians...I simply said that in all the scenes that we see, we are not watching them (I hope I am in the other 1% by the way, would hate to be less masculine than him!) | |
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| Why is it now wrong to be homophobic ?
Posted: 12/31/2008 6:41:27 AM | Jumpwings in Msg 101 said:
To see the wider picture of what is going on in our society, would you be offended and lack any understanding if you where to witness say, a paedophilia parade,or a bestiality parade, where persons engage in lewd acts with children or donkeys in full public view (never mind behind closed doors and in their own private bedrooms)?...Having witnessed a "gay parade" this is indeed what goes on...I am very interested to know your views you humble and "understanding of other persons lifetyles" kinda folk....
So you witnessed a Gay Pride Parade where they had full (GAY) sexual intercourse in the parade?
I wonder how they kept in step?
Sexual Intercourse in public is an offense, so why did you not report them to the police? I bet this parade was attended by some police, because all parades that I have ever seen or attended have police present.
Similarly, anyone attempting paedophila or bestiality in public would be arrested.
I do not think anyone believes your point has any value, because it is a clear exaggeration of whatever you saw, if indeed you saw anything!
To have to stoop to such ridiculous comparisons just shows up the poverty of your argument.
If you want to say that bestiality and paedophilia are the equivalent in your mind of homosexuality, then simply do so. No need to make up ridiculous stories.
In response to that viewpoint, the first two are illegal acts, homosexuality is not. | |
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| Why is it now wrong to be homophobic ?
Posted: 12/31/2008 6:44:29 AM | If you want to say that bestiality and paedophilia are the equivalent in your mind of homosexuality, then simply do so. No need to make up ridiculous stories.
In response to that viewpoint, the first two are illegal acts, homosexuality is not.
All three are unnatural perversions, and the the third was illegal here, hopefully may be again one day, and still is in many parts of the world | |
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| Why is it now wrong to be homophobic ?
Posted: 12/31/2008 6:50:46 AM | All three are unnatural perversions, and the the third was illegal here, hopefully may be again one day, and still is in mnay parts of the world
And what evidence are you offering up to this thread that Homosexuality is an unnatural perversion?
Apart from, "Cos I say it is?"
The forum awaits with bated breath (YAWN!)
Edit: Msg1110 - is that it? So any female who does not become "moist" is unnaturally perverse? I think you may have some comments from the female forumites, I will leave you to their tender care! LOL
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| Why is it now wrong to be homophobic ?
Posted: 12/31/2008 7:06:22 AM |
And what evidence are you offering up to this thread that Homosexuality is an unnatural perversion?
Various sources show that homosexuality was classed as an unnatural act.
This is acknowledged here by someone who should know:
http://www.petertatchell.net/criminalisation%20of%20gays/still%20criminal.htm
"Many people assume that the 1967 Sexual Offences Act legalised homosexuality. It didn't. Others are under the misapprehension that equalising the age of consent will end anti-gay discrimination in sexual offences law. It won't.
The pre-1967 laws against gay sex - Sections 12 and 13 of the 1956 Sexual Offences Act - were never repealed. They remain on the statute books, even today.
What's more, this 1956 legislation, which derives directly from Victorian era laws passed in 1861 and 1885, continues to describe homosexual relations using the disparaging language "unnatural offences" and "gross indecency". No specifically heterosexual offences, not even rape or incest, are referred to in such pejorative, demeaning terms. Homophobia is enshrined in the wording of the law." | |
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| Why is it now wrong to be homophobic ?
Posted: 12/31/2008 7:23:41 AM | Msg 114, All you have done is offered up a quote from Peter Tatchell about the incomplete repeal of old (Victorian) laws which said that Homosexuality was once illegal. As Peter Tatchell is one of this country's foremost gay campaigners, trying to use his words to back your view is a bit like saying the Pope does not believe in God. Very weak!
I seem to remember that the "Red Flag Act" was never repealed, so you and Ejay72 will be wanting us all to drive our "locomotives" behind our own little man waving a red flag?
Seriously, your quote still does not offer any evidence that homosexuality is an unnatural perversion. | |
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| Why is it now wrong to be homophobic ?
Posted: 12/31/2008 7:25:28 AM | msge 114...Well there ye go...
subversive...i find your bellittling post abusive and insulting :modhammer: To imply that i am lying is also deeply insulting...
Now, if you think I am lying about a male with an erect penis in full public view and being carressed not a sexual act, or a two naked females carressing and whipping each other in full public view not a sexual act, then well, oh dear me, dearie dearie me....And btw, it would also be in a heterosexual means...
To say turn the other cheek is a bit much really, i am sure if one walked down the street naked a court judge would take a very dull view of that argument...
The irony of you lot telling myself to be tolerant, but ignoraing that tolerance of an opposing view is a bit ironic really...And btw, you have read my posts?...you have read that I have encouraged a bent person to come out?...No?...Oh, well, there ye go then....
As for the participant of a "gay pride parade":
Ahh, the old view of the participant of an event, though valid, is not very subjective of that event…Let me explain: I have a story of a WWII veterans account of four of his buddies arguing about a battle they all participated in, each had different views of the actual same events, each conflicting in their detail…the veteran then pointed out something they had not considered, they where all correct...My point?..Surely you don’t need me to explain, yer not that thick….
I really don't think you guys are seeing the bigger picture here...As i have stated, it was normal and acceptable for people to engage in sex acts with children, but not now...how long will our society take the view that we should stop being intolerant of this act? | |
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| Why is it now wrong to be homophobic ?
Posted: 12/31/2008 8:18:30 AM | ^^^^ In regards to the paedophilia remark... This is all about the target ... In homosexuality both partners are consensual adults .. Paedophiles target children who are neither old enough to consent nor big enough to persuade a potential suitor ( I use that term loosely) that they are not of the adult/child sexual persuasion...
You cannot compare the two .. One is the sexual relationship between two equals and the other is the targetting and defilement of an innocent...
( I am pleased this thread has had a stay of execution, it's a fascinating debate and I hope it can be kept ) | |
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