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Posted: 2/12/2009 9:48:07 AM | Average white male do not let the few influence your thoughts on ireland people. I have found them to be very hospitable when visiting ireland. Go to age gaps and you will see that it isn't only you they think they are superior to. It will give you a good laugh. Not engaging in debate doesn't mean you can't, it just means you didn't lower yourself to their level.  | |
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| Hands up and all say 'aye' if you are Irish and believe that means we are a unique race ..
Posted: 2/12/2009 11:10:04 AM | | Oh for Christ sake............ superior? I'd like to point out that this is a fourm.......a place for people to express their views on topics, it seems to me that the Irish women on here are expected to keep their views to themselves and be grateful for any male attention that might fall their way. Correct me if Im wrong but am I not living up to the feisty Irish lass? | |
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| Hands up and all say 'aye' if you are Irish and believe that means we are a unique race ..
Posted: 2/13/2009 1:29:57 AM | Yes, Miss Grundy - I was genuinely shocked when I read the threads (not all) in these forums. That's why I wrote 'I am genuinely shocked.' I wouldn't have written what I did had I not felt that way. Telling me to 'come off it' is dismissive and speaks of a refusal to seriously reflect upon what I wrote. Rather than ask yourself 'is he genuinely shocked and if so why?' you clearly dismissed what I said as you offered no evidence to suggest otherwise. That dismissal is further strengthened when you later claim that you 'doubt very much' that your saying you 'have an aversion...' etc described my experience on these forums. It did. Again, I wouldn't have written it if it didn't. You simply do not want to engage with what I wrote - your only course of action is to go after that which you do not like - hence the ad hominen attacks, describing my post as a whinge without actually engaging with, or disproving any of it. You also attempt to condescend to me suggesting that I may be a 'sensitive soul.' I can't remember being described as a sensitive soul before in my life but I am a respectful person and see no benefit in denegrating others or their opinions - perhaps you are confusing the two?
You then accuse me of hijacking the thread. In that you may have a point. I had considered posting a new thread but felt that since there had aleady been numerous instances of disrespect in this one it would be appropriate to raise the issue here. I think it's interesting that you should object so to a mere diversion in conversation; I understand that I've breached etiquette somewhat but I can think of worse things - your logic, for one.
Firstly:
If beesinqueues wasn't offended by what you said that's her business and hers alone; she doesn't have exclusivity on being offended even if what was said was directed at her. Therefore - your invoking her non-response proves nothing and adds zero weight to your argument. It's practically a straw man.
Secondly:
'VVVV haha...I just refuse to accept that people are being genuine when it's clear that what they've written and said doesn't actually make sense if they actually think about what they are saying...so I question them in turn or let them know that what they've said couldn't be or isn't in fact the truth....when you really think about it, in the hopes that they will then think about what they've said and return justifying what they originally said or actually giving a proper honest response instead of a big fat moaning minnie one.'
I'm not sure where to start on this - there's so much wrong with it but I'll give it a go. The first two and a half sentences are utter nonsense. The reason why it is nonsense is painfully simple: a person can be genuine and still not make sense. There is nothing illogical in that. Your blunt refusal to accept that people are genuine based upon this is therefore unsound as is any argument or point you construct using this refusal as a basis. Also, you never proved in any of your self-affirming, rambling diatribe that anything I said didn't make sense. You merely proclaimed in a long-winded manner that you're not going to allow people to make statements that don't make sense and that you're going to show them the error of their ways - I'm still waiting, incidentally. And, to cap it all off - you finish with a flourish - another ad hominen.
I'm going to make one final point. If you wish to continue with this - I'm game. But bear in mind unlike you I will not make vague proclaimations based upon questionable logic, nor will I use pathetic ad hominen arguments. Do not dare to attempt to chide me in public again like you just did; if you're going to do it you'd better have a damn good argument. | |
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| Hands up and all say 'aye' if you are Irish and believe that means we are a unique race ..
Posted: 2/13/2009 9:38:23 AM |
Yes, Miss Grundy - I was genuinely shocked when I read the threads (not all) in these forums. That's why I wrote 'I am genuinely shocked.' I wouldn't have written what I did had I not felt that way. Telling me to 'come off it' is dismissive and speaks of a refusal to seriously reflect upon what I wrote. Rather than ask yourself 'is he genuinely shocked and if so why?' you clearly dismissed what I said as you offered no evidence to suggest otherwise.
You are mistaken....in response to what you wrote I also wrote this :
I think if you read all of the threads on these forums you would have come across a lot of posts stating that the threads were very enjoyable and gave numerous people much to laugh about so you are essentially on your own with your thoughts.
and you have admitted now that your initial impression of this Ireland forum was based on reading some threads and not all....a cursory perusal of the threads on here does not prove that what you wrote of your impression of this forum is a true one or could not be perceived as a gross exaggeration IMO because you've obviously been selective in what you've chosen to read.
That dismissal is further strengthened when you later claim that you 'doubt very much' that your saying you 'have an aversion...' etc described my experience on these forums. It did. Again, I wouldn't have written it if it didn't. You simply do not want to engage with what I wrote - your only course of action is to go after that which you do not like - hence the ad hominen attacks, describing my post as a whinge without actually engaging with, or disproving any of it.
Yeah...could you do me a favour and actually elaborate on what you meant by that bizarre suggestion about my statement summing up your experience here perfectly and the reason why it lead you to believe that there is simply nothing here but nastiness and blatant lack of respect please ?
As for the ad hominen attacks on your persona...in my honest opinion you were doing a very good impression of someone who was moaning for the sake of it and without proper proof to back up your 'impression' of these forums.
You then accuse me of hijacking the thread. In that you may have a point. I had considered posting a new thread but felt that since there had aleady been numerous instances of disrespect in this one it would be appropriate to raise the issue here. I think it's interesting that you should object so to a mere diversion in conversation; I understand that I've breached etiquette somewhat but I can think of worse things - your logic, for one.
I find it even more interesting that you had taken the trouble and time to write an accusatory post yet weren't able to stick to the posting guidlines for these forums. I was simply pointing that out to you....holding a mirror up to you and allowing you to see that noone is without fault especially your goodself.
As for your comment on my logic, what do you mean by that personal attack exactly ?
You are not saying that I am illogical are you ?
Firstly:
If beesinqueues wasn't offended by what you said that's her business and hers alone; she doesn't have exclusivity on being offended even if what was said was directed at her. Therefore - your invoking her non-response proves nothing and adds zero weight to your argument. It's practically a straw man.
Fine...and you being of a sensitive disposition took umbrage at my post and are offended on behalf of the lady who it was directed at proving that you are indeed, as I said, a 'sensitive' type.
Secondly:
'VVVV haha...I just refuse to accept that people are being genuine when it's clear that what they've written and said doesn't actually make sense if they actually think about what they are saying...so I question them in turn or let them know that what they've said couldn't be or isn't in fact the truth....when you really think about it, in the hopes that they will then think about what they've said and return justifying what they originally said or actually giving a proper honest response instead of a big fat moaning minnie one.'
I'm not sure where to start on this - there's so much wrong with it but I'll give it a go. The first two and a half sentences are utter nonsense. The reason why it is nonsense is painfully simple: a person can be genuine and still not make sense. There is nothing illogical in that. Your blunt refusal to accept that people are genuine based upon this is therefore unsound as is any argument or point you construct using this refusal as a basis. Also, you never proved in any of your self-affirming, rambling diatribe that anything I said didn't make sense. You merely proclaimed in a long-winded manner that you're not going to allow people to make statements that don't make sense and that you're going to show them the error of their ways - I'm still waiting, incidentally. And, to cap it all off - you finish with a flourish - another ad hominen.
I think a disingenuous person typically attempts to make people believe what they say is true by writing nonsense which they hope another will find difficult to disprove.
And that comment of mine was not an attack on you but it was a response to what Malasam had written regarding my debating skills which she has clearly observed elsewhere on these forums and not in the one instance of this thread..you can see it beneath my post and therefore it was a generalised statement and not solely about yourself at all.
I'm going to make one final point. If you wish to continue with this - I'm game. But bear in mind unlike you I will not make vague proclaimations based upon questionable logic, nor will I use pathetic ad hominen arguments. Do not dare to attempt to chide me in public again like you just did; if you're going to do it you'd better have a damn good argument.
If we are to continue to debate or discuss matters on these forums you better believe that I will be bearing in mind that you are the sort to make vague proclaimations based upon questionable logic and that you will use pathetic ad hominen arguments beyond a shadow of a doubt as you have proved already.
Do not dare to attempt to chide me in public again like you just did; if you're going to do it you'd better have a damn good argument.
Don't be silly..where and when did I actually chide you so far ?
Oh and why be threatening towards me...what is that all about ? | |
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| Hands up and all say 'aye' if you are Irish and believe that means we are a unique race ..
Posted: 2/13/2009 11:12:34 AM | Will you two please stop using big words, I had to google a dictionary to find out what ad hominen and the likes were! 
AWM, I can see where your coming from there has been a influx of negative postings on the thread over the past week or so, but I think the problem with this form of communication is that tone is completely lost. Posts by members can be interpreted in so many different ways, and it takes a bit of time to familiarise yourself with all the different characters. | |
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| Hands up and all say 'aye' if you are Irish and believe that means we are a unique race ..
Posted: 2/13/2009 4:55:01 PM | AYE.... and proud of it too  . I'm made to feel special anywhere in the world... though being from Norn Ireland (Norther Ireland for the non initiatted) I no longer get asked now about how things are now with the "troubles"..... a great releif.... but even those of you from the mainland Britain keep telling me "love the accent"... gets me into conversations a whole lot easier | |
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| Hands up and all say 'aye' if you are Irish and believe that means we are a unique race ..
Posted: 2/15/2009 3:03:52 AM | Firslty - what exactly is it that I am mistaken about? Is how I perceive this forum mistaken? I fail to see how an impression of something can be viewed as a mistake. An impression of a thing is not the thing itself. An impression is an aspect. You can't fault someone for having an impression.
'and you have admitted now that your initial impression of this Ireland forum was based on reading some threads and not all....a cursory perusal of the threads on here does not prove that what you wrote of your impression of this forum is a true one or could not be perceived as a gross exaggeration IMO because you've obviously been selective in what you've chosen to read.'
OF COURSE it was based on some threads - you couldn't REALISTICLY expect a person to go and read every single thread since the inception of this forum and come back with an opinion - could you? And even if I did - I'd still only have an impression of this place as I'm sure it would differ from yours in some way and everyone else's for that matter. Also, you seem to suggest that there is a disparity between my initial impression and what I made of that impression on these pages. Prove it. You said more or less the same thing in your last post and you didn't prove it there either. I don't have to prove that my initial impression was accurately rendered here; you are the one accusing me of dishonesty in that regard therefore the burden of proof is ON YOU.
And what exactly do you mean when you say I have been 'selective in what (I've) chosen to read?' How would I go about being selective? Are you suggesting that I somehow have precognisance of what is contained in certain threads just by looking at their titles? Are you suggesting that I have some sort of ability to filter out what appear to be nasty negative threads full of insults and disrespect? Is it possible that you mean I have been selective in what I've presented here?
You asked me to elaborate on what I mean about a sentence of yours summing up my experience / impression on this forum and so I will. There's nothing bizaare about it either. It summed up my experience because it was just a nasty little pseudo-Nietzschean thing to say and I had seen so much nasitness on this forum already - it fitted well with how I felt. There.
'As for the ad hominen attacks on your persona...in my honest opinion you were doing a very good impression of someone who was moaning for the sake of it and without proper proof to back up your 'impression' of these forums.'
That's another one. Oh and honest opinions aren't arguments. What would constitute proper proof that an impression was honest?
'You're saying that I am illogical are you?'
Nope. I said that your use of logic is flawed. I then showed a fairly clear example of that.
'Fine...and you being of a sensitive disposition took umbrage at my post and are offended on behalf of the lady who it was directed at proving that you are indeed, as I said, a 'sensitive' type.
I really don't care about being called sensitive - it was the initial manner in which you did it that bothered me; you made an attempt to be condescending. I don't appreciate that. You can protest if you wish. Secondly, I was not offended on her behalf. I was offended by your nastiness.
'I think a disingenuous person typically attempts to make people believe what they say is true by writing nonsense which they hope another will find difficult to disprove.'
I agree. Thankfully - that's not me. The sentence you highlighted actually makes perfect sense. It never occured to me that an example would neccessary at the time but it obviously is so here goes: a person can believe a falsehood and defend it vociferously not realizing it's a lie to begin with. I'm sure you'd accept that, from a logical point of view. A person can believe that 2+2=5 even though the wider world knows that this doesn't make sense. He can genuinely believe it. That's at the extreme end of the scale, granted, but the logic holds for the entire spectrum - whether it be believing in Santa Claus or denying the holocaust. I hope that clears that little conundrum up for you.
'And that comment of mine was not an attack on you but it was a response to what Malasam had written regarding my debating skills which she has clearly observed elsewhere on these forums and not in the one instance of this thread..you can see it beneath my post and therefore it was a generalised statement and not solely about yourself at all.'
I know that it wasn't directed at me exclusively - but as it was a general statement and you were in fact engaged in arguing with me it stands to reason that my arguments would be subsumed under your generalized proclaimation. Therefore I was within my rights to take issue with it.
As for the rest - you did attempt to chide me. You attempted to condescend towards me which immediately sets a certain power dynamic - you perceiving yourself in a certain position and I in another. That's just not on. Also, I didn't threaten you. But I guess that's your impression, eh?
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| Hands up and all say 'aye' if you are Irish and believe that means we are a unique race ..
Posted: 2/15/2009 3:46:17 AM | So I checked in on the 'This is a nice thread' thread - a thread started to combat the ever-increasing tide of negativity in this place, apparently. And then I come across this:
'Sometimes I like a little bit of bullsh1t when it's amusing and entertaining otherwise I wish people wouldn't bullsh1t - there's nothing worse than being expected to believe people's exaggerated claims of shock and horror at innocent enough statements especially when there are more worrying things happening in the world than people having fun.'
Other people were saying how much they like puppies, and having people put their hands across their eyes and saying 'guess who!' In a thread - DESIGNED to be light-hearted and devoid of argument and nonsense what does Miss Grundy do? The above. | |
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| Hands up and all say 'aye' if you are Irish and believe that means we are a unique race ..
Posted: 2/15/2009 8:21:51 AM | You're full of it Mr. Average....I'm not interested in carrying this on further.
You're one of those who believes that just because you are entitled to have an opinion on a forum if gives you carte blanche to 'go after' people and it seems I am to be your victim.
Way to go - what a fab way to introduce yourself to a forum by negating what I say and issuing threats against me.
It's not clever and the way you are carrying on paints a very bad picture of the type of person you are which I can't actually say due to the rules on these forums but I've come across your type many times and it wouldn't surprise me in the least if your profile was a fake one and specially constructed just to come on here and attack me.
Find yourself a new victim and leave me alone, I'm sick to death of the obsessives who love to stalk me on forums. | |
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| Hands up and all say 'aye' if you are Irish and believe that means we are a unique race ..
Posted: 2/15/2009 8:33:27 AM | I am sorry in advance to step into your conversation. I'm an American with Irish history on my Moms side. She visits Ireland every year. All the stories she shares with me about your beautiful country, the friendly people, heck, even the potato soup she can't stop trying to copy...makes me just about ready to sell my home and move there. Be it that being Irish is a race, or a culture, or how ever you decide to say it. I'm proud to know that there is just a lil Irish in me.....
Happiness to ya. | |
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| Hands up and all say 'aye' if you are Irish and believe that means we are a unique race ..
Posted: 2/15/2009 10:06:56 AM | Now i've heard all about this 'oirish art of courtship' many times...
Aaaaaah! Finally! and what a joy to see it in probably one of it's highest and most refined forms, ten out of ten grundy and average (where did the rest of the band go by the way? They were ok in the 70's i think)
I propose we all attend the wedding ceremony forthwith and without further ado so these lovebirds can get that knot tied asap and banter joyously forevermore in the privacy of the bridal bedroom....hopefully with the lights out
Honestly tho A man who knows how to hold a guitar really shouldn't show himselflup with a bad case of premature typulation like that it's just plain messy...sing to us baby, something with soul. | |
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| Hands up and all say 'aye' if you are Irish and believe that means we are a unique race ..
Posted: 2/15/2009 10:17:25 PM | I agree with you ms rebecca. Every time i go to ireland my family wonders if i'm comming back. Who knows Maybe next trip. I like the irish stew myself. Southernguy 1960 look up your surname in ireland. My family has family reunions every 3 years. of course they are called Clans over there. Are the irish unique. Of Course, what else would an irish person say. But when you get two clans together and add a little prussian. It gets very unique. And by all means go to ireland and have fun.
I can just see MalaSam googling again. | |
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| Hands up and all say 'aye' if you are Irish and believe that means we are a unique race ..
Posted: 2/16/2009 6:48:16 AM | Think before you type? Where's the spontaneity in that? huh? HUH? ^^
Meh! I spend a lot of time in an online browser based game as leader of a spammy bunch of spartan tribesmen and women who comm through a multi-topic forum page .
I quit trying to regulate them and their manners and spam levels on forums a long time ago, find it much easier to watch, laff and join in really :)
Also, with it being a global game (750k+ ppl worldwide) it's actually built into the rules not to flame people for 'ropey grammar' and spelling etc as long as they can get their idea across then it's tolerated.
Ahem, so ye, don't always get back in time to edit the smaller points on my posts or bother myself with some of the errors, and sometimes 'gor blimey!' I actually make deliberate ones for conversational tone and effect... | |
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| Hands up and all say 'aye' if you are Irish and believe that means we are a unique race ..
Posted: 2/16/2009 7:42:49 AM |
OF COURSE it was based on some threads - you couldn't REALISTICLY expect a person to go and read every single thread since the inception of this forum and come back with an opinion - could you?
I have read and followed every single thread since the inception of this forum, along with Miss Grundy, not that I think that gives us ‘superiority’ over newcomers, but I’m just making the point that it is ‘realistic’ to have read all the posts.
you made an attempt to be condescending
That’s your impression……… I have read Grundy’s post and I didn’t get the impression that she was being condescending, so to quote your own words here
An impression of a thing is not the thing itself. An impression is an aspect. You can't fault someone for having an impression
Nobody is in the wrong……… In my humble opinion
I think you should give her a cuddle and forget about it.
it seems I am to be your victim.
Grundy, you do make me laugh, I tried, very hard indeed to picture you as a victim but alas the only image I could conjure up in my head was one with leather and handcuffs………Wipssssssssh.
Oh smart arse, I didn’t need to google that one, it’s the longest word, I retain interesting facts as I spend most of my lonely nights propping up my local bar, Its amazing the questions they ask at table quizzes | |
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| Hands up and all say 'aye' if you are Irish and believe that means we are a unique race ..
Posted: 2/16/2009 9:17:49 AM | Hello Malasam
With respect, Miss Grundy is more than capable, as everyone can clearly see, of fighting her own battles so your taking up her cause in this manner is a little redundant. Besides, Miss Grundy has already signalled her intention not to continue with this particular debate so as far as I'm concerned the matter is closed. It would be fairly petty to do otherwise.
Yep - that's right Malasam, antidisestablishmentarianism is in fact the longest word in the English language. You get two points and a dancing, green, banana. | |
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| Hands up and all say 'aye' if you are Irish and believe that means we are a unique race ..
Posted: 2/16/2009 9:46:18 AM | | I really don't know. I thought it was a cucumber - a happy cucumber at first but upon closer inspection I discovered that it was in fact an extremely happy banana. Maybe the banana is so happy becase, as you have already suggested, it is unripe. It is a banana whose spirit remains pure, optimisitc and unsullied by the harsh terrifying realities of existence. It has yet to find itself confronted with the unravelling of the very fabric of reality. If that were me, I'd probably be dancing too. | |
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