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Posted: 10/8/2004 6:55:26 PM | silverthorn777, ok , i will step up and be a man and apoligise for my comment. however the question was about hell. your all over the place like someone called you out.
"origions or religion which began in India and Egypt?" i disagree to me it started in the garden of eden.... but if your not in to the bible.. lets say babalon or modern day iraq were it just so happens many things started like astroligy, horiscope, and worship.
"How many of you have read the bible from front to back?" i have read the bible over many times.
"The bible is not the word of God. It's the word of man. It's been converted into a poor fable after the last 2000 years compared to what's really happening in this universe, "
well the dead sea scrolls prove this statement wronge. because there 2000 plus years old. and they are the same words we see in todays bible. with the small exceptions or words and do not change the meaning of the text... words such as ... this , that, and so. they do not contain the new testament. however there are aothert text that comfirm this as well. josphephus is one of many. also JESUs is one of the most documentd peopel in history. from birth to death.
"Test all spirits whether they are of God." John. How do you test the spirts?? how did GOD say to test the spirits? scripture. if it don't mach scripture it is not of GOD.
"""Do you comprehend the origion of the trinity? ....(me , christian) Do you realize the mother has been stripped from the bible? Do you even know the difference between sin and iniquity?( sin is once iniquity is repeating the sin over and over) Do you know who the Ancients of Days? The Elders? ( they sit around the throne of GOD with crowns of GODl cast them down crying holy and he the lamb is worth to open the scrolls) Did you know that Ezekiel was talking to a divine extraterrestrail being that came to him in a craft?( what the were did you get that sifi chanel?) Did you know that Jesus referred to John as Enoch of old come again? Do you know who the essences were? Are you aware of a modern day prophet called Edgar Casey?( not christian, mixing faiths. he was the sleeping prophet) The A.R.E.? What Occult really means?....( occult is wicthcraft or many things that are not of GOD but satan and used to decive)"""
I do not doubt you have much knowlage, from your post, but it seems mixed and all over the place.
ok i am tired enuff for now.. | |
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Posted: 10/8/2004 10:39:26 PM | Hell?
I think that Hell is being stuck in an elevator with Britney Spears and being a pacifist. | |
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Posted: 10/9/2004 12:06:15 PM | Actually thanks for talking to me cool, that’s cool stuff...
“”“”“your all over the place like someone called you out. “”“”“”
Actually I apologize also for anything that offended you in the first place. There is so much information that I can bring to the table that I don’t even know where to start or finish. I would be here all day bringing interesting stories, different histories and occult information. I know a great deal of occult information about the bible and I am willing to take my time to share that information and you can do your own research and find your own truth and even educate me with some of your findings.
Random questions for anyone...
Do you believe in the Bible Code?
Do you believe the Bible to be the Divine Word of God?
"Talk to me like a brother or dont' talk to me at all." My friend, he got me good one day with that one lol.
“”“”What Occult really means?....( occult is wicthcraft or many things that are not of GOD but Satan and used to decive) “”“”“
Occult means hidden mysteries. It has nothing to do with cults and nothing to do with Satan. I said ealier that Satan and Lucifer are two different beings. That would be a hidden mystery that is not known by the vast majorty of people. It was hidden for a reason and most likely to cause more deception. Occult looks at all religion and all theology and it connects the underlying origin and meaning. I brought up esoteric before. It is an Essene concept for understanding the deeper meaning. I would have to say occult is the study of the truth. It is a form of science to me. I hope you are open to hearing more teachings and concepts?
“”“”“josphephus is one of many. also JESUs is one of the most documentd peopel in history. from birth to death.”“”“”
Who was the official order that documented and directly assisted Jesus?
Answer: The Essenes... And they were considered a cult at that time by the Pharisees.
Factoid: Edgar Casey predicted the dead sea scrolls would be found, where they would be found, and what would be on them, before anyone knew what they were. He also predicted the secret passageway between the Sphinx’s paw would lead to a hall of records and the tomb of Osiris. He predicted the year, where they would be found, and what would be found in the records. I watched it happen on live TV. What bothers me about all this is after all these years I have heard nothing about what is in there since. And it’s one of the most significant archeological finds of our times.
My major points to consider about history...
If Egypt is can be dated to at least 12,000 BC, that predates the bible and the ice age which is the reason I brought that into the story, it would predate all history on earth. If there is a 12,000 year old pyramid off the coast of Japan I’m going to have to question the existence of an ancient civilization that existed on earth that predates everything and has unexplainable origions to anything previously known. The oldest written text (not egyption) on the planet is the Tetragramaton and was found in India, which is the first lines of Genesis, the story of creation. Sumeria is older than the bible and it has a distinct and long history because they were a very advanced society in decline. Gilgamish and Noah are the same person, same story, two different cultures and thus two different religions so I have to mix it because it is mixed. The bible was formed from this history. Using science alone the bible is not the original piece of work. It is an accumulated work of prior history and cultures. Yes, the bible was expanded to include the one God and a traditional mythology based on moses more factual events that are lost to us at this moment in time. The new testament is thus what it says, new. The Sumerians were the gods before the Nephilim were born, these gods were called the Anunnaki and were extraterrestrials that came here to mine gold. They made man generically using their own Genes. This would be Inanna a Goddess. Adam and Eve were engineered as miners from the Annunaki's own genes. Some of the Annunaki fell in love with this children and the result was Nephilim. In the bible the Angels made love to the daughters of men and the result was the Nephilim. There is a lot of history there to discuss here. I will leave that up to you. A majority of the old testament is based on Sumerian history so you have to read and study Sumerian history or you will not understand many complex features in the bible and how it formed, if you are a believer in truth then you must accept truth when presented with it. I have to tell you straight up, I was shocked from my discoveries when I took the time to look that was 15 years ago.
“”“”“”“well the dead sea scrolls prove this statement wrong. because there 2000 plus years old. and they are the same words we see in todays bible. with the small exceptions or words and do not change the meaning of the text...”“”“”“”“
That is only the old testament you are referring too. The dead sea scrolls on the new testament aren't the same on almost every level, I would suggest you get reading there’s a lot there that you might find interesting. There are also many scrolls and many places they landed after they were found and then bought and sold. The Israel’s hold the main bulk of them and really won’t give anyone access. The Catholics tried to hide certain books that were found but some of the priest's stole them and published them. They have a few books of the bible that were left out, even a female prophet.
The Essense scrolls use different words alright, but check this difference out in reference to the old testament. The incorrect verison... Respect thy Father and thy Mother. It actually says respect the Heavenly Father and thy Earthly Mother in the Essene scrolls, so I ask you what that means to you? Two words that change the entire meaning of the bible because of its location in the 10 commandments. This is a discussion of it’s own. There are plenty of these ‘little’ words that make massive difference in meaning and they need to be discussed by spiritual leaders of Christianity.
“God shall ruin those that ruin the earth” The Bible
All of us our raping mother earth in so many ways, I’m disgusted. I had to say it.
Fun factoid as a Scientist: Mt. Sinai is burned at the top and painting and markers prove that Moses was at the base of Mt. Sinai. A painting of a golden calf was found in all this.
“”“”“”“if it don't mach scripture it is not of GOD. “”“”“”
I was trying to show that a lot of stuff doesn’t show in the bible the way it was written and if one thing is wrong it cannot hold up as the divine word of God and the totality of truth. Many of the events may be such and it may still hold true overall but it isn’t absolute truth. If you can’t accept that there is nothing more we can really discuss and aren't ready to learn learn and grow as a child of God.
Test all spirits whether there are of God... ok...
Is your name Michael, Raphael, Gabriel? Who are you to tell me? Are you the divine voice of God speaking me? Do you sit on the right or left hand of Jesus and spread divine law? Who are you to tell me the word of God? By what Authority do you claim to ‘directly serve’ that you can bestow truth to me?
This is the point I keep bringing up in different ways to all beings. You are pushing your belief system on me and preaching. I’m not trying to offend you but I’m pointing out that unless you have the Holy Spirit, the voice of God or you have been given a directive from an celestial divine being such as an angel you don’t know the divine word of God and you must humble yourself.
What if I do know and you don’t? You don’t know who you are talking with, what if you are speaking to a divine entity or even a fallen spirit and you miss the chance to serve or are mislead because you weren’t vigilant. It would be wise to humble yourself and look at what is being presented. It may bring you closer to God than you may have previously thought possible.
“Open your ears, brother.” My brother
“”“”“”“Did you know that Ezekiel was talking to a divine extraterrestrail being that came to him in a craft?( what the were did you get that sifi chanel?)”“”“”“”
I found it in the bible and after comparing Sumerian history is only supported that view and it changes nothing about divine truth it can be found in other places in the bible. I like sci-fi but that isn’t for fun this is for real. Do me a favor and read Ezekiel. You have to ask some pretty profound question such as...
What is this event? I want you to tell me what’s going on? Are we talking to Angels? Demons? Devils? You have to realize this is the same things as someone contacting and extraterrestrial force, and it could be divine or not. Beings not from earth are extraterrestrial. Do these beings sound like they are from earth? How about the wheel within a wheel, what is that? He is describing and event and I would love to hear you tell me what it means?
Let me highlight... A voice is in Ezekiel’s head, tell’s him to go down to the river.
“A whirlwind comes out of the north, a great cloud, and fire enfolding itself, and brightness was about it, and out of the midst thereof as the color of amber, out of the midst of the fire.
Also out of the midst thereof came the likeness of the four living creatures. And this was their appearance; they had the likeness of a man......”
The whole things is really intense stuff.
I hope to hear positive feedback about this topic please. | |
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Posted: 10/9/2004 6:59:44 PM | Yes, yes, and yes. Very good you know a lot. I find it so interesting. But I find everything very interesting. You could be talking about lemons and all the varieties of lemons, and I would found that interesting. To sit down and listen to people like you talk, read, or lecture on anything can be as fun as listening to music or any other activity.
I have to say this: I don't know if that is all true or fall. Maybe some of it is history and the other part is myth and legend. People back then had a lot of imagination because they didn't know why thigs happened.
I like you, and others do too. Don't listen to that guy. | |
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Posted: 10/9/2004 7:15:17 PM | | YES YOU PROBABLEY COULD.....SILVER BUT AS SCRIPTURE SAYS DO NOT WASTE YOUR TIME TALKING ABOUT VAIN AND LOFTLY THINGS...MEANING DONT TRY TO GUESS OR PHILOSOPHI ABOUT ALL OF THIS ....THE TOUNG IS A FIRE AND WE ARE ACCOUNTABLE FOR EVERY WORD WE THINK AND SPEAK.... | |
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Posted: 10/9/2004 7:22:35 PM | bluedeyedmr you are Wiccan.
When I saw your little icon picture on the left I thought you would be a religious christian as some of the members here. I though that because when I'm seeing your picture from the corner of my eye it looks like the singer from Creed. I think I've seen a picture of him in that pose.
Ah, anyways, I guess I have nothing else to say. I have something with those little pictures. I see other stuff. | |
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Posted: 10/9/2004 8:02:28 PM | silverthorn777, hello again. can we please adress one issue at a time. i feel the post are becoming far to big and over to broad a area. you can pick the topic if ya like.
one thing i will say is that i just veiwd some of the dead sea scrolls, they are on display here in america. they were just in michigan. they informed us that there were no new teastament scrolls found. but that makes sence seen as how it was at or around the time of jesus, so nothing had been really wrote about him yet. | |
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Posted: 10/10/2004 12:50:38 PM | | Ok I am far from a bible teacher, but I'll throw my understanding out there. Hell, from my understanding is death of the soul/spirit. It means simply that you are no more period. I try not to get into this for it gets deep but I'll give it a shot. While we are on this earth as humans we are 2 people, flesh man and spiritial man. We all know that the flesh man is going to die, and the death of the flesh man means to be present with the Lord. Which means you are in heaven until judgment. This does not mean your in paradise (that is if you have fallen short). Revelation will tell you that even satan is in heaven right now, bound and held by the archangel Michael. I seriously doubt that satan is in a "happy" place within heaven. Rev 12:7 - 9 So from my understanding there is a gulf in heaven, those that have over come are with God and those that have fallen short are on the other side of the gulf within heaven a waiting judgment. Hell is at the end of judgment, those that have been sentenced to hell are no more, no one will even remember them, they are no more. God Himself destroys them, satan and his followers for good. Amen! and Good riddens! | |
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Posted: 10/10/2004 3:17:19 PM | | how i have herd it is the worest part of hell is not the flames,or pain or anything like that. the worse part of hell is being seperated from GOD. | |
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Posted: 10/10/2004 3:56:17 PM | if thats all.. i think ill rather enjoy hell.. see you all on the other side  muaahahaa | |
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Posted: 10/10/2004 6:10:58 PM | | pakan i find it sad that a GOD that really loves you and wants to know you , make a way for you and bless you you cast out and mock so easy. | |
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Posted: 10/10/2004 6:13:00 PM | How about the purgatory?
How about limbo? not the dance. | |
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Posted: 10/10/2004 7:25:02 PM | "How about limbo? not the dance" LMBO! that was funny.
as far as i know. purgatory is a catholic doctern. the bible says to be absant from the body is to be present with the lord. however. i have heard a throry that there was a place called paridise that is a wating place before the final judgment. JESUS told the other man on the cross when he said remeber me when you come in to your kingdom and JESUS said i tell you today you will be with me in paridise. but like i said that is only a theroy. and i havent look deep in to that. | |
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Posted: 10/10/2004 7:45:00 PM | | Not a theroy jimi =) and would you GET OUT of my head! gezzz lol =p | |
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Posted: 10/10/2004 11:32:12 PM | """"""YES YOU PROBABLEY COULD.....SILVER BUT AS SCRIPTURE SAYS DO NOT WASTE YOUR TIME TALKING ABOUT VAIN AND LOFTLY THINGS...MEANING DONT TRY TO GUESS OR PHILOSOPHI ABOUT ALL OF THIS ....THE TOUNG IS A FIRE AND WE ARE ACCOUNTABLE FOR EVERY WORD WE THINK AND SPEAK...."""""""
The point was the scripture is flawed but you continue to appy it as the word of God. It's the dead words of dead men and you have no way of proving anything contrary to another living being that chooses a different belief system. I'm not guessing, you are, or you would have never spoken what you wrote above. I'm asking quesitons but you have no answers, nor you do you respond to my quarry of what authority you have to tell me anything? If you prefer to be blind to things that go beyond a book you will never learn to bring yourself closer to the father or at the very least talk to divine beings beings. What I'm talking about isn't lofty for you because you know very little about it. It's common spiritual sense to me. I'm not guessing at history or science. If you have something to offer beyond your own faith and a book then we can communicate, otherwise you will only present yourself as a religious fantatic. The Scriture says a lot of things and some of them contradict themeselves. The bible has been altered it is a fact, stop believing in the lies that they are.
You still dont' get it... You can't preach to me from a book. It's a book. It's not the word of God. You have no proof and you don't represent a higher authority to say anything else. Humble yourself and realize this.
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Posted: 10/10/2004 11:36:17 PM | """""""Yes, yes, and yes. Very good you know a lot. I find it so interesting. But I find everything very interesting. You could be talking about lemons and all the varieties of lemons, and I would found that interesting. To sit down and listen to people like you talk, read, or lecture on anything can be as fun as listening to music or any other activity. """""
What's your point because I'm not just talking to waste my time babbling about nothing. I'm relaying knowledge and wisdom so it's more than knowledge that I'm revealing. God is not an acitivity it's the center of all things and is the center of this topic. | |
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Posted: 10/11/2004 12:41:04 AM | ahhhh, I thought you would be happy that I like reading your posts.
It's not my fault I don't believe. But at least I like to know and listen. | |
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Posted: 10/11/2004 1:44:43 AM |
pakan i find it sad that a GOD that really loves you and wants to know you , make a way for you and bless you you cast out and mock so easy. a god that i dont believe in, loves me.. he makes no ways for me.. it would me choosing to make the way for him.. take up my time worshipping a fictionall character.. its not hard to mock something doesnt exist.. to me, religon and god is a joke.. therefore ill will joke around about it.. | |
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Posted: 10/11/2004 4:21:22 AM | Ah yes, the spirit of stupor. They do not know it has been placed upon them and has been placed upon them for their own protection.
What I don't get is why someone that does not believe would waste his time even talking upon it? Is it just to annoy others that do? Or could it be a unconscious need to believe?
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Posted: 10/11/2004 6:00:11 AM | Here is what seperates us...
I know and you believe.
I'm here hoping to reach someone past their dogma. Faith cannot override truth and that holds true anywhere in the universe. | |
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Posted: 10/11/2004 9:26:40 AM | | All I can say is oh my goodness. I'll keep my pearls and let the swine head off to where ever they wish to go=) | |
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Posted: 10/11/2004 12:12:22 PM | [quote=jeliarra] Ah yes, the spirit of stupor. They do not know it has been placed upon them and has been placed upon them for their own protection. or they just dont care that its been placed upon them.. i do it cause most people assume if there was a higher spirit it would automatically be god or jesus or whoever.. like if i change my beliefs, and become religous it means im automatocally christian or something.. even though most
of my intrest is in Paganism, im also native american, i may become just spiritual with nature.. course then again you would still think im wrong cause your still better then me with your d*mn religon | |
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Posted: 10/11/2004 12:12:52 PM | [quote=jeliarra] Ah yes, the spirit of stupor. They do not know it has been placed upon them and has been placed upon them for their own protection.
or they just dont care that its been placed upon them.. i do it cause most people assume if there was a higher spirit it would automatically be god or jesus or whoever.. like if i change my beliefs, and become religous it means im automatocally christian or something.. even though most
of my intrest is in Paganism, im also native american, i may become just spiritual with nature.. course then again you would still think im wrong cause your still better then me with your d*mn religon | |
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Posted: 10/11/2004 1:55:51 PM | | silver i beg to differ on the faith over riding truth. it is true that a man can not raise from the dead. faith raised him though. faith healed a lot of people that the truth said could not be heald. it was true they were blind or sick or crippled. and it is true there was no cure. faith over rode truth and healed them... it over rides mans truth anyway. | |
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Posted: 10/11/2004 2:01:59 PM | | pakan i wont argue with ya on your view of god. all i will say is tha the does love ya, will make a way, and even though you don't see it yet someday you will. | |
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