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Posted: 10/11/2004 2:15:30 PM | well all i know is that god gave me a word for native friends of mine ....and that is that as the native culture comes into relationship with the lord jesus christ they will heal the land and bring us back to eden(again my spellin sux) open the door to the unseen realm where heaven touches earth and bring us into closer relationships with god....the boy i spoke that word to wouldnt addmit that he had accepted jesus as a child though his eyes said it all(i can see the jesus in peoples eyes) untill i told him about the team from the ntw and finaly he addmited it ...and they had gone to the church he attended as a child..i find that abit more than coinsadance..it not religon but relationship that god is seeking and what he is all about...
i do it cause most people assume if there was a higher spirit it would automatically be god or jesus or whoever.. like if i change my beliefs, and become religous it means im automatocally christian or something.. even though most
of my intrest is in Paganism, im also native american, i may become just spiritual with nature.. course then again you would still think im wrong cause your still better then me with your d*mn religon and he wants us to worship the source of creation(the creator) not the refection(the creation)...its like bowing down and worshiping a golden cow when we worship the earth...  | |
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Posted: 10/11/2004 4:10:52 PM | ‘’‘’‘’‘’‘silver i beg to differ on the faith over riding truth. it is true that a man can not raise from the dead. faith raised him though. faith healed a lot of people that the truth said could not be heald. it was true they were blind or sick or crippled. and it is true there was no cure. faith over rode truth and healed them... it over rides mans truth anyway.’‘’‘’‘’‘’‘’‘
I guess what we are discussing is really a matter of understanding different definitions and backgrounds. Divine Truth is what I’m discussing, not relative truth from human perception. The way things are through God’s eyes not our eyes. Faith will keep you close to God, but aligning yourself with Divine Will and speaking the Voice of God and two very different things. You have to be aware of the presence to align yourself with it. Faith is the instrument to move you to God when you lack the wisdom to do it with will. God wants you to use your willpower or he would have never given you willpower in the first place. Faith is knowing that God loves you, but faith doesn’t move your feet up the path towards God, willpower does. Faith only keeps you from falling on the path. Truth doesn’t change, it is eternal as God. When God speaks it is divine truth.
“”“”“”“and he wants us to worship the source of creation(the creator) not the refection(the creation)...its like bowing down and worshiping a golden cow when we worship the earth... “”“”“
God is fraternal and looks at us as children in his family. You say worship? Lucifer wants to be worshiped, God wants to be loved. Worship is egotistical response to flawed religious concepts that fail to understand the concept of love, there is more to this, a lot more... The reflection of creation is God, every single quark is part of God. The universe is a living organism and so is the earth. It has spirit, the MOTHER SPIRIT, which is equal to the FATHER SPIRIT You are foolish to think that the earth is not made from the divine will of God. The Native Americans are closer to God than most any religion or way of life on this planet. The acknowledge God as the ‘Great Sprit” means they understood the true source of God, while most other religions worship the masculine or feminine personality of God that is transposed into the physical universe and limited mortal awareness. The Christian religion is flawed because of this and the dead sea scrolls are pretty serious about the Mother Spirit being present and alive. You are raping a living entity that is as divine as God and you ignore the words of your own book, flawed as it may be. This things are lofty to you but you will judge them and deny them as fast as you read them. They are not lofty to me. The world is not aware and considering that fact you might want to consider listening more closely to the spirit and not your own belief system. The Holy Spirit will not talk to deaf ears.
“God will ruin those that ruin the earth.” Bible
Is anyone here a Prophet, Messiah, Divine Messenger, or Divine Entity? I will ask again, because you all seem to believe that you have the answers and are unwilling to admit your affectations. (pretending you know more than you do) You also refuse to answer the real question I will keep asking until you either acknowledge truth or you acknowledge your divine connection? I have yet to hear a question that holds truth, divinity or the wisdom that goes with it. If you do not know something is it wise to immediately disagree? I have yet to hear the Divine Voice of God talking to me in these posts... | |
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Posted: 10/11/2004 4:56:03 PM | yet you you self are not removing the log from you own eye before trying to take the speck out of your brothers....
anyone here a Prophet, Messiah, Divine Messenger, or Divine Entity? I will ask again, because you all seem to believe that you have the answers and are unwilling to admit your affectations. (pretending you know more than you do) You also refuse to answer the real question I will keep asking until you either acknowledge truth or you acknowledge your divine connection? I have yet to hear a question that holds truth, divinity or the wisdom that goes with it. If you do not know something is it wise to immediately disagree? I have yet to hear the Divine Voice of God talking to me in these posts... you ask questions yet dont want to hear...that your choice but dont cut down outhers in the process... | |
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Posted: 10/11/2004 5:10:27 PM | ''''''''you ask questions yet dont want to hear...that your choice but dont cut down outhers in the process...''''''''''
You view it as an attack because you don't know the divine voice when it speaks or you would be much more advanced than the bible. I'm not cutting someone down as you call it, I am stating divine truth as it was taught to me by divine beings and God. You have nothing you can tell me sister unless you stop talking to me from a book and start talking to me from your spirit and through divine will. This is why you are finding it difficult to speak to me because I'm not afraid to correct my brothers and sisters and I would hope they do the same for me.
You keep trying to preach to me but you are only reflecting a book, you are not reflecting God in your eyes. I'm not removing anything from you besides falsehoods and lies that have existed for many many thousands of years. I'm asking you questions because I have knowledge that you don't and I'm not going to make the test of your spirit easy. I'm not passing judgements, my personal opinion does at times come through my ego, but 99% of the time I'm standing in the divine will of God. I'm not telling you anything I'm questioning you in God's name... Talk to me like a sister or don't talk to me at all... | |
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Posted: 10/11/2004 7:45:45 PM | silver you said a lot of things in your answer to my post. but......... after reading it a few times........and getting parts of it ... and other parts of it ........ i can't makes heads of tails of what your saying. i think i kind of understand what your saying but it doesent all fit together...... i got to say wt?
I don't see what willpower has to do with it. faith and hope is the thing that keeps a man striving not will power. the hope of what is promised, the faith in GOD to provide. from that last post it really sounds like your in to manual? i think the name it mixing faith and taking parts from each to make one faith??? am i wronge here.... can you please state what your faith is and your belive system .. in clear words. i dont want along line of run on . just what you belive,( the name of the faith, and how it works, and what is the rules or statement or claims this faith makes. please ,,,thank you... i am having a hard time following your post... it sounds like your chirsitian one min and wicca the next then buddest then star track... help me understand just the basics of your faith and doctern. | |
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Posted: 10/11/2004 9:14:05 PM | When I'm talking about something I'm talking about all things, not one viewpoint or perspective but all views and perspectives. I don't see things from earth outward, I see things from God inward and from the universe down to earth. The problem you are having is communication in words and defintion. One word has one meaning for you but several for me and even in definition on average. I'm attempting to speak in 'bible talk' but it isn't working well because it is to primitive for me. I will be more defining in the future...
"You do realize we are barely touching the edge of something extremely massive and beautiful?" Teren
Faith...
1. belief or trust: belief in, devotion to, or trust in somebody or something, especially without logical proof
2. religion religion or religious group: a system of religious belief, or the group of people who adhere to it
3. religion trust in God: belief in and devotion to God
Her faith is unwavering.
4. set of beliefs: a strongly held set of beliefs or principles
people of different political faiths
5. loyalty: allegiance or loyalty to somebody or something
This word has several meanings as you can see. What one person thinks another thinks otherwise. You will have the same problem with any written words, thus the main problem in our communications. Then you have english but I'm not going there, lol.
Truth...
1. true quality: correspondence to fact or reality
2. something factual: something that corresponds to fact or reality
spoke the truth
3. true statement: a statement that corresponds to fact or reality
4. obvious fact: something that is so clearly true that it hardly needs to be stated
5. something generally believed: a statement that is generally believed to be true
a religious truth
6. honesty: honesty, sincerity, or integrity
7. descriptive accuracy: accuracy in description or portrayal
a criticism that had an element of truth in it
8. conformity: adherence to a standard or law
9. loyalty: faithfulness to a person or a cause ( dated )
10. U.K. accuracy: accuracy of alignment, setting, position, or shape ( dated )
Even more definitions here... Deifinition #1 and #3 are paritally good. A truth would be... God is real. Now add divine to that and you have divine truth. A true quality of God's divine pressence is divine truth. Truth can only be measured by the soul experiencial knowledge or your spirit's intuition/god connection. We all know that truth about killing... We all know the truth about rape... The 10 commandments is a prosaic view of divine truth. It is true we all know the difference between right and wrong and divine truth dictates this meter that we have in our spirit.
Willpower is the spirit in action and is the core of your being, the heart of it. The ability to choose between good and evil, love or fear, God or oblivion. Faith has nothing to do with willpower. Willpower is an inherent gift of God you are born with, and a divine trait of the spirit, faith is not inherent and could be considered a side effect of not being connected to God directly. Faith is your own spirit knowing that God exists and loves you, even if you have doubts those divine spirit feelings will not go away, unless you have adandoned God, but most children are not aware of of the totality of sin and are forgiven. Once you understand sin in its totality and continue to sin you have become inquitious and directly oppose the divine will of the Creator, thus rebellion. Humans are children and lack the capacity to even be iniqitious in nature. This is another dicussion also...
You asked a profound question about what I believe...
I believe in nothing at this moment because I'm aware of the greater divine truth and don't need to believe. If you are in divine alignment with God you don't have to question anything at all, you will has become divine. There is no question of the existence of God when you have witnessed God. Faith doesn't apply to me unless you are looking at defintion #3. I like the word, TRUST, because I trust God without question and I'm unwavering in my service to the Creator. I'm of no religion, group, or order that is of this world and because the divine order has no religious concepts there is no reason to adhere to the religious concepts of mortals. The divine administration is what it is...and children have used childlike concepts to explain this without success. The main reason most children can't fathom the depths of divinity is because they lack the inherent power to do so and must exercise their will in order to earn this gift and attain divine alignment. Basically, I'm taking nothing from earthen religions but the esoteric meanings, a clear historical view, and the words that I can use to communicate with you here.
Christian... I am not... I will not reduce myself to such a earthen title I apologize for my perception as such, but I have no other way to present that and many things I say offend the majority of the people on earth.
I'm a child of God, I serve the Ancients of Days and I am here to witness the result of rebellion on this world. I serve the Creator Son Michael, the Eternal Son of all Creation, who you would know as Jesus. | |
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Posted: 10/11/2004 9:21:19 PM | | Jimi- I studied Christianity....so I comment. Have you studied Wicca? Just curious. | |
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Posted: 10/12/2004 10:28:33 AM | Silver...they are gonna hang ya boy! Ppl don't LIKE 'truth'. Even Jesus found this out the hard way!
Most folks who are realy into this stuff don't bother studying other religions. It took me years of searching for my own spiritual path. Wiccan just seemed to fit me moreso than others. I don't have to "believe" that "my way" is the right way! I figure there are other roads to follow. We are not all formed to follow the cookie-cutter shape of a single religion. Conformity is a no-no in todays society...even in business. "think outside the box"....and IF you do and put it into action, often you get smacked down for not following the rules. Hard to know which way to jump! | |
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Posted: 10/12/2004 10:49:48 AM | I wouldn't suggest trying to smack me because I live by the sword. For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction... haha
People don't like the truth if it doesn't fit their happy little personal picture of how things should go, but I originate from the Ancients of Days and I'm not like other beings. I have suffered trying to fight truth and I will not do such foolish things anymore. There is a war in heaven that most of the world knows nothing about, and yes angels carry fiery swords, lol. This means that all the worlds in creation have suffered from iniquitous rebellion in one fashion or another. I fear nothing because of my faith in the Creator and I mean this in the most serious way. If I'm standing behind truth there is nothing anyone can do to stop me unless you kill me. Truth hurts most people and they are resistant to it, but I love the string and embrace the divinity within it.
I'm not preaching to the world, but I am sharing my knowledge with those I come in contact with. Jesus had a plan and executed it for a purpose and a large part of that is lost to the people of today. He didn't just come here to save earth people, he came here to save the entire universe from iniquity. Many other prophets have come in many different parts of the world in every time period and every religion. I know a Prophet that can call upon the divine beings and they will reveal themselves. He's the only being to have this authority on earth that I have been able to locate. I can confirm this and the being that he is speaking with is Gabriel, the Bright and Morning Star. If anyone understood the divine administration they would understand what this means and why Gabriel is here. I think you would be surprised to see how much all things actually relate to each other.
I guess the sword I like to carry is truth. It hurts but it won't kill you, and yes I get cut from that same blade when I'm being less than divine. | |
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Posted: 10/12/2004 4:58:58 PM | | blue I wouldent go as far as to say study it. that to me takes years.. but read up on it and its belive system, structure, and history.. yes, i have.. i would by no means claim to be a scoller. but have a general understanding of it yes. | |
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Posted: 10/12/2004 8:26:48 PM | | silverthorn777, your view is not mine or even close. but that is cool. its your view. i have no idea what kind of faith that is or what going on there. sounds like you your own god. | |
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Posted: 10/12/2004 9:03:27 PM | If I was I wouldn't be here talking about God.
Having access to divine wisdom doesn't make me any better than any other being in the universe, I'm from the same source. The beauty of truth is one day you will know it for yourself. You might laugh and say the nutcase wasn't so insane after all. I only ask that you go beyond what you are being told and you question all things until the truth be known. My view is as you call it is not mine. I haven't related my view much in these posts because I don't really have one, I have learned to let go my opinion in the face of truth. My definitions of truth may vary, but the truth itself doesn't. I don't really care about how people view it or what their belief system is because it doesn't change the truth. This is why i tend to ask question and promote the reality of truth through science and research.
I'm sorry that you do not understand the heart of what I'm discussing, but that's understandable considering all the conditions in this world. I should start speaking in parables. | |
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Posted: 10/12/2004 9:14:55 PM | If I believed in god, I would perfectly agree with everything you're saying.
Should I say I'm sorry that I'm to (?) to accept because as you said believing is not the word.
But wouldn't god if existing would make everybody who is everybody, understand and agree on one thing and only one thing? Not even in any book but everybody just knowing it by miracle. If you choose to forget or deny it, then it's your own fault and they you go to hell or die for ever or something. GOd could have done better than this. Know what I mean? | |
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Posted: 10/12/2004 9:27:48 PM | The issue I have been portaying is the reality that truth doesn't need you to agree with it. The only thing you can do with truth is become aware of it. You do not have to apologize for being honest and cautious about how you accept truth. I would rather you were that way than your typical christain fanatic that reflects the bible and nothing else. I know children that have more insight into God than a room full of bible scholars.
Personal Frustration...
I can't wait to get of this planet, I lack the patience to handle the children of earth. I'm to old for this crap.
Whoever wrote in any of these posts that they do not need to seek Truth...
I rebuke you brother and sisters!
"Truth is the infinite measurement of God's love." Teren | |
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Posted: 10/12/2004 9:35:01 PM | ...the reality that truth doesn't need you to agree with it. The only thing you can do with truth is become aware of it...
a ha, true and when do you become aware of truth? When you get to know whatever it is.
You have, congratulations. You are aware of it. Reality doesn't need me to agree with it, yet it still there. I've not been enlightened like some people of the past and now have been.
I'm like the rest of the others, but at least I know that I'm not aware or just don't care.
Kind of where they got the idea for that movie, The Matrix. I know I'm in the matrix but that's ok. I live to party on the weekend after so much working.
Take care, dude. | |
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Posted: 10/12/2004 10:00:19 PM | ...and no matter what someone tells you... you are not going to some fabricated hell because you want to party on the weekends and don't accept Jesus in your heart. I tell children stories like that so they can learn moral content and at the same time scaring them to remember. Truth is forever unfolding until you reach God but you can become aware of a higher order that exists and go far beyond any beer drinking experience you've had. I'm not pushing and I'm hoping to set you free from some of the dogma of man by sharing what I have experienced from my heart.
At some point in time you will know the greater universal truth, it's inevitable. It all depends on what you really strive for in your life as to how you will connect to the creator. The creator is timeless and not in any hurry to force you to learn or even make you do things you don't want. You are here to experience and learn, thus gaining wisdom. Even on your worst day you are still learning about life, love and reality. You can find enlightenment as you call it but the road to truth is the first step. | |
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Posted: 10/12/2004 11:47:37 PM | Where is Hell anyway? The center of the Earth? Is Heaven in the clouds?
Why I was a kid I use to ask these questions, and now as an adult I don't have any better answers.
So....is Hell on this Planet? Is it in the center of the Earth? Is it somewhere in New Jersey as many have theorized? If there is fire, it must be a place that has oxygen to feed the flames.
Where is Hell? Some coordinates would be nice. Same for Heaven. Where are these places? | |
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Posted: 10/13/2004 9:26:09 AM | perhaps both places are inside your mind...and the last few moments of your exsistance you "dream" about either of them...judging yourself so to speak.
Actually the co-ordinants are...oh..hang on...got to hang the wash out... | |
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Posted: 10/13/2004 3:32:04 PM | hell is a place called .......WORK! AHHHH you see now you will belive me!!! LOL. just kidding.
it had been mentiond as being in the earth. makes sence seens how the core is molton lava.
but i would have to think both are not in this plane of known exsistants. more like in the spirit world. blue that is an intresting question. | |
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Posted: 10/14/2004 1:38:07 AM | | Hell is a place that all the guilt that you have done in your life take over the soul. and dirves you away from god because of that guilt. | |
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Posted: 10/14/2004 1:45:44 AM | | God didnt do this to ourselves man did. | |
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Posted: 10/14/2004 2:28:53 AM | | from what i heard Hell wasnt even a place for mortals.. its where god sent the fallen angels, satan to perish, for turning on god.. i dont believe in this fairytale stuff.. but thats what i was told.. | |
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Posted: 10/14/2004 6:17:57 AM | | Very good Pakana... did you read that or hear that? | |
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Posted: 10/14/2004 10:47:59 AM | | actaully.. it was in my music, lol.. you learn alot about religion while listening to metal.. even the anti-religous stuff.. | |
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Posted: 10/14/2004 11:03:49 AM | | From what I've been taught only iniquitous beings are acutally punished. Only the beings that have a connection to God and choose to rebel are held in a prison and then absolved. Only the personality of that being though. There is a lot more to it than just that but... | |
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