| UFC : George St.Pierre vs BJ Penn 2
Posted: 1/22/2009 11:52:28 AM | When has GSP ever been outskilled in a fight?
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JJD33
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Joined: 12/20/2008
Msg: 52 | |
| UFC : George St.Pierre vs BJ Penn 2
Posted: 1/22/2009 12:05:00 PM | | when he got caught in an elementry arm bar by matt hughes (whoops I forgot my white belt arm bar defense)... and lets not forget when he got knocked down and pounded out because by a clearly smaller and weaker Matt Serra (whoops I forgot to hold my hands up) ... | |
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| UFC : George St.Pierre vs BJ Penn 2
Posted: 1/22/2009 12:51:44 PM |
when he got caught in an elementry arm bar by matt hughes (whoops I forgot my white belt arm bar defense)... and lets not forget when he got knocked down and pounded out because by a clearly smaller and weaker Matt Serra (whoops I forgot to hold my hands up) ...
That wasn't being outskilled. Those were outright brain farts. 
That was nothing about skill. He just left himself open not thinking.
He also thought he would lose to Hughes before the fight even started.
With Serra he clearly disrespected his stand up and payed for it.
Neither one of those guys have more skill than GSP. | |
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JJD33
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Joined: 12/20/2008
Msg: 55 | |
| UFC : George St.Pierre vs BJ Penn 2
Posted: 1/22/2009 3:12:54 PM | Ok, matt's armbar out skilled gsp's positioning and his arm bar defense... under your theory anyone who submits anyone else didn't have the better move for the moment thus didn't have the better skill in the moment... .bottom line...brain fart or not it translates into skill... If i'm an archer an I miss the bullseye because my minds isn't in it and my muscle twitches, and my opponent hits... I was out skilled....
When have you ever seen BJ penn get caught in a submission like that... NEVER, that's my point... his SKILL level is so high when it comes to his sub defense it's second nature... it obviously wasn't second nature for George, who probably drilled that defense in the thousands of times...
Serra... ok he disrespected his stand up, caught a nast blow to the side of the head...why?? because the offense out scored the defense...translation... out skilled...
To further my point.... getting and keeping your mind right...is a honed and conditioned SKILL... and if GSP's mind was on lose before he entered the octagon...then before he entered the octogon he was OUT SKILLED. | |
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| UFC : George St.Pierre vs BJ Penn 2
Posted: 1/22/2009 3:51:53 PM |
When has GSP ever been outskilled in a fight?
When he's defeated himself before he enters the cage.....
...not unlike BJ waltzin' in out of shape at WW....I hope he's in the best shape of his life...then there'll be no doubt who's really better....
...I hope we get to see some of GSP's triangle defense.... | |
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| UFC : George St.Pierre vs BJ Penn 2
Posted: 1/22/2009 4:47:07 PM |
when he got caught in an elementry arm bar by matt hughes (whoops I forgot my white belt arm bar defense)...
I agree with jjd33 there. No such thing as an accidental submission, and I doubt that would ever happen to BJ.
and lets not forget when he got knocked down and pounded out because by a clearly smaller and weaker Matt Serra (whoops I forgot to hold my hands up) ...
Now that I disagree with. I think that was a good punch, but there was some luck involved, too. Anyone can have a puncher's chance in MMA. | |
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JJD33
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Joined: 12/20/2008
Msg: 58 | |
| UFC : George St.Pierre vs BJ Penn 2
Posted: 1/22/2009 5:35:11 PM | No doubt anyone can have a punchers chance, I agree with that, but it's all in the percentages, Sure one may have a punchers chance so to speak, but the window of oppertunity increases and decreases with the opponents stand up skill, GSP didn't get caught with a phantom punch after strong arming the round and get knocked out, he didn't get caught at all, He got punched, nothing fancy, nothing mysterious, nothing out of the ordinary. He got hit because he wasn't defending well.
Guys don't get me wrong, these are just my opinions, either one can win this fight and I have tremendous regard for GSP as a fighter and a person.
I to hope BJ comes in the best condition of his life, I'm tired of hearing and saying he lost because of his conditioning, but it's been true imo. | |
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| UFC : George St.Pierre vs BJ Penn 2
Posted: 1/23/2009 5:25:57 AM | Conditioning could be considered part of skill too then. Which is something BJ lacks at 170. And if pushed properly, may not truly have at 155.
There's always excuses for BJ. Some of his fans never admit that he has ever really lost.
They think he is undefeated. | |
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| UFC : George St.Pierre vs BJ Penn 2
Posted: 1/25/2009 8:11:49 AM | GSP will win. BJ Penn is a fat welterweight. But there's nobody challenging him at LW, so he does need to fight up to have any competition. Basically in LW, the UFC has Penn on top, with Steroid Shark Sherk, who is clearly not in Penn's league as its next best fighter. Then, Ben Stiller...er Kenny Florian is on a third tier. Those two are the best of the LWs who can beat everybody else but not BJ.
This is not really a dream fight the UFC is trying to sell. A better fight would be GSP vs. Anderson Silva at either MW or WW.
Anyways, I'm still gonna root for BJ since I always root for fellow Hawai'i people. | |
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Posted: 1/25/2009 1:26:58 PM | It's funny how we hear about the "punchers chance" all the time, but never about the "submitters" chance ... which is just as much about leaving yourself open and getting caught by something stupid.
Non-strikers like to talk alot about a punchers chance.
As for Matt Hughes and Matt Sera outskilling GSP ... come on now. They both got lucky. And as testament to that fact, look at what happened to both in their rematches. In both cases GSP DOMINATED.
Now he's up for a rematch against BJ Penn. And while challeneged enough in their first fight to not take Penn lightly, GSP won the first one.
The more I think about it, the less of a chance it seems BJ has. And if BJ loses as a result of gasing out, well, that will just be pathetic ... a sure sign that is is far from the better fighter, which is all about the ottal package and not the component parts.
Still, both have a "game-fighters chance", and the anticipation is killing me. Can I tap and see the fight NOW? | |
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Posted: 1/25/2009 2:15:33 PM | The day that BJ can say "GSP is a complete fighter with just as much heart and mental strength as anybody...and I will beat him" is the day he will achieve true greatness.....
Instead he tells himself he'll win because GSP's a quitter, a lil' b*tch who tapped out from strikes....and he gets all flustered over GSP's trainer saying BJ must be made an example of.....all HUGE signs of weakness if you ask me....
Sure...you can say BJ just acts like that in front of the camera...but the simple fact that he does it tells you that he still doubts himself...
...and back to that comment about tapping out from strikes...excuse me if someone wants to have longevity in the sport...and doesn't want to get knocked unconscious....all it takes is ONE time and you're never the same again....GSP had strength enough to admit when he was defeated and made a smart choice.....
...that's like saying you're a lil b*tch if you don't let your opponent crack your arm in half....the lil' b*tches will still be fighting when these "tough guys" are all f*cked up and can't even remember their own names.... | |
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| UFC : George St.Pierre vs BJ Penn 2
Posted: 1/25/2009 2:55:45 PM | I think BJ will be a little smarter this time,and not move up to 170 by eating Crispy Creme doughnuts and burritos.If he comes in lean and mean and with a better gas tank,he'll have a great chance at winning this fight.
As for BJ's trash talking-it's just that,trash talking.He's selling the fight.He's getting people worked up to see the fight.He doesn't dislike or disrespect GSP,he's just building hype for the fight.He did the same thing with Sean Sherk and Jens Pulver.
WB. | |
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| UFC : George St.Pierre vs BJ Penn 2
Posted: 1/25/2009 3:24:59 PM |
It's funny how we hear about the "punchers chance" all the time, but never about the "submitters" chance ... which is just as much about leaving yourself open and getting caught by something stupid.
That's because anyone can flail about blindly and land a KO. You don't land an accidental omoplata or even a "simple" armbar, because grappling is about 100 times more complex. | |
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Posted: 1/26/2009 2:46:17 PM |
That's because anyone can flail about blindly and land a KO. You don't land an accidental omoplata or even a "simple" armbar, because grappling is about 100 times more complex.
I give submissions their technical due, but that's just it. Giving something its due.
To insinuate that striking lacks technical skill or that all striking is equal is ignorant. Chuck Liddell (or Floyd Mayweather Jr.) for instance doesn't "flail about blindly", but you hear the same reference in regards to him ... "punchers chance" ... which is a lame excuse bandied about by those who are WEAK on their feet and/or have a glass jaw and who are just as prone to be KO'd by a Liddell as they are by some drunken brawler at a bar.
No one at the UFC's level of competition "flails about blindly". Some are better strikers than others, and deserve their due, as opposed to lame excuses for why they were/might be KO'd by so-and-so. Likewise, submission-types, who generally tend to whine how people don't understand the ground game when an ignortant crowd boos them for "just laying on their opponent for three rounds".
ALL of them have a WARRIOR'S chance. | |
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Posted: 1/26/2009 4:54:53 PM | I think you misunderstood me, bro. I did not insinuate that striking requires no skill - I know it does. "Puncher's chance" is not an insult - it is the reality. You can KO someone with a fairly light shot - IF you hit them in the right spot. Getting that right spot is extremely difficult on purpose, and being able to do it reliably is pretty much a matter of luck. But sometimes, you can hit that spot practically without trying, and KO someone. That is what I meant. That does not happen with submissions.
And yeah, I get annoyed with the crowds that don't know the technical points to understand grappling. Sometimes I get all "HOLY SHAT DID YOU SEE THAT GUARD PASS" with my buddies, and they just roll their eyes, and tell me to STFU.
LOL. | |
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| UFC : George St.Pierre vs BJ Penn 2
Posted: 1/27/2009 10:34:49 PM | Well I don't know about anyone else...but I can't wait to see Machida pick appart Silva with his oh so BORING attack
GSP will dominate...then he'll actually be tested by Pitbull and the Spider...
He's way too smart to get himself into any trouble in this fight.....
Mark my words...GSP will DOMINATE! heheheheheheeee I can't WAIT! | |
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| UFC : George St.Pierre vs BJ Penn 2
Posted: 1/28/2009 7:57:50 AM | | We are three days away from Penn's butt-kicking. GSP is going to pour it on and send the Prodigy back to the lightweight division. This will be a great fight which I see GSP ending rather early. | |
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| UFC : George St.Pierre vs BJ Penn 2
Posted: 1/28/2009 11:52:34 AM |
got my $$$ on Thiago Silva Knockin out Machida.
Really? I highly doubt that happens. If there is a ko in this fight, it's gonna be Machida dealing it out.
This is not a good style matchup for Thiago at all.
I see him running after Machida and getting dropped by a straight left, then finished. | |
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| UFC : George St.Pierre vs BJ Penn 2
Posted: 1/29/2009 12:00:13 AM |
Tell the wives you won't be home early.
Who said anything about early?
TKO round 4 after he wears BJ down in the clinch and on the mat..... | |
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| UFC : George St.Pierre vs BJ Penn 2
Posted: 1/29/2009 2:40:04 AM | | Oh, I don't think GSP will *dominate* - especially not in striking. But I think his wrestling will be the deciding factor in a decision (what I think will happen). No one has been able to stop GSP's takedowns. | |
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